UPDATE! You can do this effect if you have a mid side EQ. Filter the side the instrument is panned to and then make the track mono again! I find that to be easier! This video is always growing and I've learn a lot since it. So here is a simpler way to do it Update Feb 2nd: There is now a UA-cam short about how to do it with Midside EQ!!!
That's the funniest prop mic I've ever seen. I feel like I'm watching Spaceballs But for real homie. You are so great. This is a wonderful channel. I'm going to dig and find your patreon if you have one. You deserve to be praised and showered with money for your contributions to collective knowledge of afficanados of music and best making.
@@dabi2350 Thanks for the recognition! For this specific video I have an update coming tomorrow in form of a UA-cam Short. It is not a prop!! It severely reduces ambience for the mic! search for Kaotica Eyeball and you will see how popular it is! AND btw I do have a Patreon, I didn't have it when this video dropped, but I do now. It has some cool production stuff in there too if you are interested, or just to support a small creator :) www.patreon.com/narokx
Thanks for explaining it! I heard people talking about this before, but they never actually showed how it was done... Definitely a useful sampling technique!
The L and R trick works well on old soul records, motown records, etc... BTW, they knew how to pan just fine, but at that time they were dealing with bleed in the tape machines too, so they tended to over pan to accentuate the stereo image. Stereo was a big innovation at the time... Anyway, good stuff. You might also take a look at mid/side processing as another way to get at interesting versions of a sample. It takes the insight in this video to another level.
Niceee, I've thought about it, but never done it! Separate mid and side and do sound processing to each differently!! Sounds like it can create a mixing nightmare, ot the dopest effect! Imma try it out, thanks!
The old mixers only allowed Left/Mid/Right, no where in-between. Consoles from the 50's like the Universal Audio 610 had a 3 way switch with L M R, other desks called it LCR. On a lot of older Jazz recordings (early Blue Note) you hear this. Proper Panning cam in in the 60's, but of course stereo micing would give a stereo field when mics were the hard panned, but mono had to be placed. Rubber Soul by the Beatles that was L C R and that was '65. The EMI TG12345 console installed in Abbey Roads in 68' was one of the first with proper panning.
The reason a lot of older music has this kind of hard panning is because stereo sound was only widely introduced in the late '60s, so engineers where experimenting and learning how to mix in stereo for the first time. Hard panning certain things can create loads of space in a mix, so it made a lot of sense. Also, back then, most people were listening to music on speakers, not headphones (as is the case these days), so you wouldn't run into the same issues with hard panning you do now, where the sound disappears from one ear, because you'd generally always be hearing both channels. Hard panning can still be a really useful technique to create space in a mix, but is probably best used sparingly and left for auxiliary sounds like percussion, FX, etc.
Incredible comment from one of the best channels out there... especially for people like me who use both Ableton and Fl and have been lying to themselves saying they will change completely to Ableton for the past 2 years
Just checked all of my Audio plugs and they all have two black lines. Thank god you found someone who knew what the issue was, that is something that couldve been easily go unoticed for years
I have a headphone with the same issue that kaytranada talked about in the interview, but the thing that i don't have it's him geniality, anyway, living and learning! Thanks for the video, i loved the explanation! Keep it up!
Yeah this is simply sampling in mono left or right. The older the music, the more likely they have instruments hard panned right or left (like you mentioned).
How do the Pan Knobs and Stereo Knob work in FL? Trying to recreate the technique in Logic Panning the guitar from dj rogers sample left works and then I can bounce that so its no longer only on left channel but basically mono left signal but on stereo. So what does the Stereo Knob from FL do then? Is it an imaging Knob for Stereo Imaging/Seperation?
I didn't understand the question... but I suggest you watch the update I did on this technique! It is much easier with midside EQ ua-cam.com/users/shortsYrs8f7ugfOE
Glad you enjoyed it! I think it works because of phase cancelation and it works that way because the (usually old) songs used as samples were mixed with hard panning Any song you notice that have an instrument completely on one side you most likely can use this technique on
Check out the waves S1 you can do some crazy things like inverting or being able to pull out certain instruments. For deeper techniques check out Ken Lewis Sampling techniques video. Changed my music as a smalle based producer. Good luck
The song “music sounds better with you” is made by Stardust , not Daft Punk. Anyways great video and a really good advice for the new generation beat makers and sampler heads
I use both Fl and Ableton, but for editing videos I am more accustomed to using Fl You can pan in many different places on every daw (signal flows is impacted by where/when you pan). On the video I am mostly panning on Fl's mixer. You can see when I show it on the Stardust example!
@@Narokx Dude when the beat drops you can literally hear people screaming haha. I'd love to hear the clean rendered version, not just this cam version. If you find it anyways, please let me know ;)
what plugin can you use to make it mono in the same track where you do the stereo separation? wouldn't routing to a different track make two tracks when exporting stems?
Is kaytra not referring to using a mid/side EQ to filter out everything from mid? Leaving u with only what's left on the sides. Then u switch the polarity to hear the stereo track without phase cancelling? Dope vid none the less. Just how I interpreted it.
Literally a different road to get to the same result. I don't think he was midside EQing 10 years ago, but honestly your comment is great. I think it is a simpler way to do this technique, and I'm probably gonna switch to using midside EQ
hey awesome video, excited to try this technique out. Quick question though, why are you making the sound more stereo after hard panning the sample if you are gonna make it mono after.
Appreciate it! Glad you liked it! As it is the case on the Kanye example, if you don't make it stereo after panning the Guitar won't disappear. But in the Jorge Ben example hard panning is enough and you could just make it mono afterwards, without making ut stereo first. I think it comes down to how the original sample was recorded/mixed!
"stereo space plugins, or bus... I always forget how to bus in Ableton because I'm more familiar with FL But yeah. hard pan, make it 100% stereo, then mono again a guy commented that you can also just use midside EQ, remove the side you don't want (filtering) and then just make it mono. I thought it was brilliant and tested it, it also works"
Ok cool! Thanks for the response! Did you sample the song from vinyl? Wondering if this is only possible with vinyl or if the files online are compatible with this process?
Ummm… you might be due for an upgrade to whatever the hell that is on your mic that’s blocking the view of half your face, bro. 😹 Though man, this is a pretty cool technique. ✨
The mic I produce with is on the arm That's an old spare mic I'm putting to use lol I would put it down but I need another arm/stand. And the "box" thing is just me being lazy and not wanting to use a proper pop filter. I would say the box helps with room ambiance, but OBS's gate is phenomenal at killing background noise! Glad you enjoyed the video tho
Stereo manipulation it is faaar from common sense. New tools like SPAN are helping beginners, but honestly having a clean understanding of stereo space (especially to avoid phasing) is far from the first thing producers learn
@@Narokx I can certainly agree with that in terms of phasing and more advanced stereo considerations. Maybe I'm missing something here but lifting samples from the L or R channel independently seems obvious. 🤷♂️
@@csselement I agree, that's why I said this should be something every producer should add to their sampling routine. It takes 2 seconds and the results are drastic on certain samples !
UPDATE!
You can do this effect if you have a mid side EQ. Filter the side the instrument is panned to and then make the track mono again!
I find that to be easier!
This video is always growing and I've learn a lot since it. So here is a simpler way to do it
Update Feb 2nd: There is now a UA-cam short about how to do it with Midside EQ!!!
That's the funniest prop mic I've ever seen. I feel like I'm watching Spaceballs
But for real homie. You are so great. This is a wonderful channel. I'm going to dig and find your patreon if you have one. You deserve to be praised and showered with money for your contributions to collective knowledge of afficanados of music and best making.
@@dabi2350 Thanks for the recognition! For this specific video I have an update coming tomorrow in form of a UA-cam Short.
It is not a prop!! It severely reduces ambience for the mic! search for Kaotica Eyeball and you will see how popular it is!
AND btw I do have a Patreon, I didn't have it when this video dropped, but I do now. It has some cool production stuff in there too if you are interested, or just to support a small creator :)
www.patreon.com/narokx
Thanks for explaining it! I heard people talking about this before, but they never actually showed how it was done... Definitely a useful sampling technique!
This technique can do some wizardly
The L and R trick works well on old soul records, motown records, etc... BTW, they knew how to pan just fine, but at that time they were dealing with bleed in the tape machines too, so they tended to over pan to accentuate the stereo image. Stereo was a big innovation at the time... Anyway, good stuff. You might also take a look at mid/side processing as another way to get at interesting versions of a sample. It takes the insight in this video to another level.
Niceee, I've thought about it, but never done it! Separate mid and side and do sound processing to each differently!! Sounds like it can create a mixing nightmare, ot the dopest effect! Imma try it out, thanks!
The old mixers only allowed Left/Mid/Right, no where in-between. Consoles from the 50's like the Universal Audio 610 had a 3 way switch with L M R, other desks called it LCR. On a lot of older Jazz recordings (early Blue Note) you hear this. Proper Panning cam in in the 60's, but of course stereo micing would give a stereo field when mics were the hard panned, but mono had to be placed. Rubber Soul by the Beatles that was L C R and that was '65. The EMI TG12345 console installed in Abbey Roads in 68' was one of the first with proper panning.
The reason a lot of older music has this kind of hard panning is because stereo sound was only widely introduced in the late '60s, so engineers where experimenting and learning how to mix in stereo for the first time. Hard panning certain things can create loads of space in a mix, so it made a lot of sense. Also, back then, most people were listening to music on speakers, not headphones (as is the case these days), so you wouldn't run into the same issues with hard panning you do now, where the sound disappears from one ear, because you'd generally always be hearing both channels.
Hard panning can still be a really useful technique to create space in a mix, but is probably best used sparingly and left for auxiliary sounds like percussion, FX, etc.
Incredible comment from one of the best channels out there... especially for people like me who use both Ableton and Fl and have been lying to themselves saying they will change completely to Ableton for the past 2 years
@@Narokx Doooooo iiiiiiiiit 😉
Such a nice technique, and its so clean, you don't loose any frequencies with an EQ!
We need a pete rock or j dilla one of these or even dibase or tuamie
Ooh men kaytranada, i'm waiting for this thank you bro ✌🏼
:)
Just checked all of my Audio plugs and they all have two black lines. Thank god you found someone who knew what the issue was, that is something that couldve been easily go unoticed for years
It went unnoticed for years for me :(
Thankfully I got it fixed, but I did spend years not using my interface's full potential lol
I have a headphone with the same issue that kaytranada talked about in the interview, but the thing that i don't have it's him geniality, anyway, living and learning!
Thanks for the video, i loved the explanation! Keep it up!
Btw, i'm from Brazil and i REALLY REALLY LOVED the jorgen ben's example, so much love ❤🇧🇷
Nois 🙌🏼
Long video lets go 😎
lowkey face reveal too
proud of the editing in this video!!
Not too bad for a music producer who hates video editing
You can do the same thing with any song using spleeter gui 🍻 👏
Definitely gonna try that!
You can also try isolating the sides by duplicating a stereo track making it mono and flipping it out of phase.
That's a super creative approach to it!
These days I'm usually doing mid side EQ to do it. But production is awesome. Many ways to do the same effect
Kaytradamus has been dope since he was Kaytradamus. His success and meteoric rise is no surprise to those who heard his music back in 2011!
lol 😂 good video man! Appreciate the knowledge on the 1 black line vs the 2 most of all.
The struggles of DYI production
Amazing fam! Def gonna try this out!
Just had to do this technique again for a dilla breakdown
@@Narokx that’s solid fam!
You need a bigger mic bro
lol yeah, this one only cover half of my face. Next time I will get a full size cardboard box
Mic is regular size, pop blocker is massive I have the same one
The original stem splitter
Yeeah, and now the DAWs are starting to come with it built in. We came hella far
Paul C did this with a sample of a James brown produced dee felice trio track on ultramagnetic's give the drummer some.
Wow! Thank you 🙏🏾
Muito amor pelo Brasil ❤️
niceeeee. thks for the video
TWIN FLAME TO THE MOON AND BACK
Yeah this is simply sampling in mono left or right. The older the music, the more likely they have instruments hard panned right or left (like you mentioned).
Check out the waves S1 you can do some crazy things like inverting or being able to pull out certain instruments.
subscribed, love this content
Appreciate the support! Means a lot
lou that's one big ass mic you got there, hope you're not overcompensating for something else
I am 😔...
For how bad the sound treatment of my room is smh...
6:15 RIP AKA
How do the Pan Knobs and Stereo Knob work in FL? Trying to recreate the technique in Logic Panning the guitar from dj rogers sample left works and then I can bounce that so its no longer only on left channel but basically mono left signal but on stereo. So what does the Stereo Knob from FL do then? Is it an imaging Knob for Stereo Imaging/Seperation?
I didn't understand the question... but I suggest you watch the update I did on this technique! It is much easier with midside EQ ua-cam.com/users/shortsYrs8f7ugfOE
I really appreciate you showing this great technique! The only question i have is, won’t this create phase issues?
Glad you enjoyed it!
I think it works because of phase cancelation
and it works that way because the (usually old) songs used as samples were mixed with hard panning
Any song you notice that have an instrument completely on one side you most likely can use this technique on
@@Narokx oh i see! thank you for your answer🙏🏻
Check out the waves S1 you can do some crazy things like inverting or being able to pull out certain instruments.
For deeper techniques check out Ken Lewis Sampling techniques video. Changed my music as a smalle based producer. Good luck
Excelente información
Ah yesss donald byrd think twice backgound music. For those who is wondering.
truuue, kind of
Dilla did think twice of of that sample and I did my won flip too (which is what is on the BG)
great ears :)
@@Narokx yep :) I subbed your channel already, btw.
@@raihanshrk1955
I don’t understand - what’s the stereo knob ? Pan is pan but what’s the stereo knob ? What’s the analogue in logic for it so I could understand?
Stereo knob, turn 100% to one side the track is completely stereo, turn 100% to the other side and the track becomes completely mono
Why is your mic so small
The song “music sounds better with you” is made by Stardust , not Daft Punk. Anyways great video and a really good advice for the new generation beat makers and sampler heads
Stardust and Daft Punk is pretty much the same thing no?
And appreciate the love and recognition :)
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bruh that mic caught me off guard lmao
More than half the comments are about the Mic Box 😭
Stupid question: what are you using to pan the audio file? Also what DAW are you using lol
I use both Fl and Ableton, but for editing videos I am more accustomed to using Fl
You can pan in many different places on every daw (signal flows is impacted by where/when you pan).
On the video I am mostly panning on Fl's mixer. You can see when I show it on the Stardust example!
So the Track in the last few seconds is an unreleased thing? Or does anyone know where I can find the full version? Its FIRE broooo
I want to know too so bad... I'm not sure if it is out or not. I think it is an unreleased track he has with Anderson paak. Hopefully they'll drop it
@@Narokx Dude when the beat drops you can literally hear people screaming haha. I'd love to hear the clean rendered version, not just this cam version.
If you find it anyways, please let me know ;)
@@romanmetler4635 you too!! Lmk
@@Narokx got it. Its an unreleased track called "Twin Flame" with Paak. Search for it on yt
@@romanmetler4635 appreciate you man!! Hopefully they drop it later this year
what plugin can you use to make it mono in the same track where you do the stereo separation? wouldn't routing to a different track make two tracks when exporting stems?
Plugins work in order. Also I'm routing exclusively to another track, so it wouldn't export as 2 tracks, what you are taking about is a bus
Is kaytra not referring to using a mid/side EQ to filter out everything from mid? Leaving u with only what's left on the sides. Then u switch the polarity to hear the stereo track without phase cancelling?
Dope vid none the less. Just how I interpreted it.
Literally a different road to get to the same result.
I don't think he was midside EQing 10 years ago, but honestly your comment is great. I think it is a simpler way to do this technique, and I'm probably gonna switch to using midside EQ
@@Narokx I haven't tried it yet but from what I understand it would sound a bit different. Only one way to find out!
Twin Flame out now! 9:10
I "failed" at making a breakdown for it, but I am making a longer producing video around the track!
wait the nigga who produced the 'Louie' beat tape with KennyBeats?
hey awesome video, excited to try this technique out. Quick question though, why are you making the sound more stereo after hard panning the sample if you are gonna make it mono after.
Appreciate it! Glad you liked it!
As it is the case on the Kanye example, if you don't make it stereo after panning the Guitar won't disappear. But in the Jorge Ben example hard panning is enough and you could just make it mono afterwards, without making ut stereo first.
I think it comes down to how the original sample was recorded/mixed!
Lala ai does it now
How would you accomplish this in Ableton 11?
"stereo space plugins, or bus... I always forget how to bus in Ableton because I'm more familiar with FL But yeah. hard pan, make it 100% stereo, then mono again a guy commented that you can also just use midside EQ, remove the side you don't want (filtering) and then just make it mono. I thought it was brilliant and tested it, it also works"
Ok cool! Thanks for the response! Did you sample the song from vinyl? Wondering if this is only possible with vinyl or if the files online are compatible with this process?
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pera, vc é brasileiro?
Desde de sempre
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:)
Ummm… you might be due for an upgrade to whatever the hell that is on your mic that’s blocking the view of half your face, bro. 😹
Though man, this is a pretty cool technique. ✨
The mic I produce with is on the arm
That's an old spare mic I'm putting to use lol
I would put it down but I need another arm/stand. And the "box" thing is just me being lazy and not wanting to use a proper pop filter. I would say the box helps with room ambiance, but OBS's gate is phenomenal at killing background noise!
Glad you enjoyed the video tho
Sampling a hard panned signal from the side it's panned to. Not trying to be a dick... but... how is this not simple common sense??
Stereo manipulation it is faaar from common sense.
New tools like SPAN are helping beginners, but honestly having a clean understanding of stereo space (especially to avoid phasing) is far from the first thing producers learn
@@Narokx I can certainly agree with that in terms of phasing and more advanced stereo considerations. Maybe I'm missing something here but lifting samples from the L or R channel independently seems obvious. 🤷♂️
@@csselement I agree, that's why I said this should be something every producer should add to their sampling routine. It takes 2 seconds and the results are drastic on certain samples !