Bucky didn’t apologize because he knew what he was unforgivable. Tony wasn’t just hurt because he found out the truth, he was hurt because Steve didn’t tell him
Why would he apologise? If I was brainwashed into killing people and had 0 control over my brain or body, I wouldn't apologise either. I would feel horrible for being used like that, but why the hell would I apologise and what would a man apologise for in a situation like this? "Hey man, I'm so sorry, I was brainwashed/mind-controlled and was forced to kill your parents. I apologise and won't do it again." Some of you have the brain capacity of a toddler.
@souvikmondal6161 Those are not mutually exclusive. He's the most successful Avengers villain. He's still a literal war criminal who worked for HYDRA and was part of a Sokovian kill-squad. That is the equivalent of saying a Russian Wagner commander can't be a bad person because they captured Bakhmut, Zemo is still a literal fascist even though he fought the Avengers and claimed to be against Nazism and the idea of super-soldiers
Nah, it can't be that. Otherwise Odin himself wouldn't be able to lift Mjolnir because he wasn't honest with Loki about his origins in the first movie.
3:13 Those eyes….. You can tell he and his mom were close. Unlike his dad. Yes it hurts to see the winter soldier kill him. But then he realizing his momma was next. The pain of watching it the pain knowing you can’t stop it. Cause it a tape, it already happened a long ago. But watching it now finally. It just brings back pain back just like when you receive the news and found out she died type of pain again. What’s worse the killer standing next to him. Brainwashed or not.
He loved them both very dearly. He just understood & appreciated his dad less as a young boy which is quite common. He however grew to understand & appreciate his dad more as shown in the other avengers related movies.
@@tjadeadeyeye8630 yeah but this point in the mcu he still despises him just a bit. His daughter help appreciate his dad a bit more cause it help him understand fatherhood more.
@Divine-InstinctCap in this instance is to blame for not telling Tony straight away both him and Natasha had an obligation to tell him at least Hydra killed his parents.
You are so close minded. You should always open up to opinions whether you think they're right or wrong. For me, those who don't open their minds to the opinion of others are either stupid or just plain entitlement.
No he wasn't. He was going to murder in cold blood a man controlled man who was literally mind controlled into killing his parents because he was sad. The flaw in your logic is very easily exposed when you ask the question what Tony would have done if the mind controlled person was Happy or Pepper or someone he knew and had a strong positive personal connection with.
The only person that deserves blame here is Steve. He knew the truth since Captain America: The Winter Soldier and kept it from Tony. That pushed him over the edge.
His brother from over 50 years ago was brainwashed into killing people against his will. Now go on and tell the IRS about the money your family doesn't file....go on...I'll wait....
@@CB394 how did Tony not find out about this earlier tho if Black Widow leaked everything to the world? Why didn’t the avengers review all of it during Age of Ultron? Shouldn’t Tony have the resources and intelligence to access to all that stuff how did he not see this earlier about how Bucky killed his parents??
My interpretation is that Steve didn't know it was Bucky in particular who killed Tony's parents. But what he did know was that Hydra were responsible for their deaths as it was revealed by Zola in Winter Soldier.
@@cfcblue8 trust me, Steve is smart enough to put two and two together. Keep in mind when Zemo said “ accidents happen” with the silhouette of the Winter soldier, there was only one man that can kill them and make it look like an accident to such a way that it’s believable in the eyes of shield
@@sinfuladam The silhouette of the Winter Soldier was shown when Zola said "history was changed." Personally, I took that to mean that Hydra were responsible for JFK. When he said "accidents will happen", we're shown the news article of Howard's death so it can left open to interpretation, but I can see what you mean by putting two and two together.
@@ironick917 I don't think so. They've mostly had a higher success rate with Cap on their side. Even Tony would tell you that. I don't know why people like to dick ride either hero. They are both equal. Cap just brings that presence that makes everyone feel more motivated.
Stark shouldn't be blamed here, and neither should Barnes, too. So, for Stark, they've known for 4 years now. Yet when he found out within those 4 years that Rogers also found out when he woke up that his own best friend took out Stark's parents, he felt betrayed. As for Barnes, he never knew what he was doing, either, since he was brainwashed and did what he was told without asking questions.
@a.rtomboy6202that's not the problem. What Tony sees is his mom being murdered by a guy. Yes his mom and dad aren't Buckys first victims, but at the moment anyone who'd be in his shoes would do the same
@@Marvelfanatic3658Bucky was brain washed so he had no control over what he did Tony had every right to get pissed off Steve had no way of telling Tony a rational way that “hey my best friend killed your parents, and I have the footage” to Tony without him going ape shit and tracking him down.
@@Slipper489I think, if Steve told Tony, everyone would've been prepared about the brainwash trigger when Bucky was being detained. Tony wouldn't cross the line he was advocating for and the Wakanda would have provided rehabilitation sooner for Barnes for a proper trial.
@@froilanflorentino1252knowing how Tony felt while watching the video, even before he even asked Steve if he knew, Tony made up his mind and was ready to fight Bucky regardless. He didn’t even target Steve initially either.
@@Slipper489 And he wouldn't be able to do that on Bucky's trial and onwards since that would jeopardize the accord along with other reasons I've said.
i'm not feeling bad for steve here, i liked the part where tony hit him should've done more than just hit him, which i'm pretty sure he did but i haven't watched any of the avenger movies
Tony really can't be blamed for reacting the way he did. Anybody in his position would feel unimaginable levels of betrayal, and no one really knows how they'd react to that until it happened.
@@LEOMESSIKING1000he only remembers what he did after the operation where he have a post clarity. Only to be rewritten again by hydra for the next mission.
@@SRNAR8 That's actually untrue. Zemo knew about it the entire time. Remember, he was a Colonel in that Sokovian hit squad and had access to a lot of the information regarding the super soldier program. That's explained in this film.
Rage. Inconsolable and most justified rage. I would have done the same thing. And so would Bruce Wayne, even if it was Clark that kept that secret from him.
Exactly. I understand there's grey area here because, Bucky was mind controlled, but the second Bucky got his memories back and told Steve about what he did and the fact they hanged on to that information for years and didn't say anything. Yeah, I would've been p***** too if I had found out this way.
At the end of CA:TWS, Bucky only regained a tiny amount of memories that gave him back his autonomy. He was struggling with regaining his memories, he didn't even fully recognize Steve from their encounter in Bucharest, of course by that point he didn't remember absolutely all the people he was forced to kill. And there is nothing to indicate that Bucky knew that Tony's parents were among those victims, Because the order HYDRA gave him was only the recovery of an item and the elimination of witnesses, they never provided him with the identity of the Starks. He knew their identity until he saw the tape, and most likely that flashback itself was triggered by the tape itself, and not before.
@@Aaron.M88 1. When Bucky was on the run for two years at the end of CA:TWS, he was struggling with recovering his memories, he didn't even fully recognize Steve at their meeting in Bucharest. Of course by that time he had not magically recovered all the memories of the people he was forced to kill. 2. Absolutely nothing indicates that Bucky knew the identities of the Starks, as HYDRA did not provide him with that information, the only thing they ordered him to do was to extract a package and leave no witnesses. And if he didn't know their identities, much less would he know that they were Tony's parents, a guy he met just a day or two ago. 3. Bucky discovered their identities only until he saw the tape and not before. Most likely, that very memory of the mission appeared in Bucky's mind until that moment, triggered by the tape itself.
@@davidbarlow-yj6mc yes, but the only thing Bucky could remember about the victims he was forced to kill are their faces, there is no way he could have known their identities, and the last time he saw Howard was when he was 25 years old, when they were reunited Stark was an old man in his 70s, added to the fact that according to the canonical book The Wakanda Files, Bucky's long and short term memories come and go.
Cap is selfish as much as we as humans can understand his reasoning for not wanting to straight up tell his good friend about how his parents were murdered he was in the wrong for holding back. You could see how Tony is much more in rage than just seeing that it was Bucky. Maybe that’s why the nod to Caps eyes is a strong detail.
to think steve knows from the start, since winter soldier movie. this fight could never happened if he told tony from the get go and let his anger and anguish simmer down. he could have explain and let tony digest that information. Tony stark has a big heart, he need to mourn for a bit before settling in mind that he can help steve retrieving bucky. we know tony would forgive bucky as he did to others. especially how he forgive steve and the other avengers who fought with him in that ending stone retrieval,. despite the other haven't ask an apology in return. its just sad that this could had been prevented.
@yessimdisgudying5994 how did Tony not find out about this earlier tho if Black Widow leaked everything to the world a couple years earlier? Knowing that Tony’s parents were associated with Hydra, wouldn’t that information about Bucky killing his parents have been leaked too? Wouldn’t Tony want to/had already read the leaks and what it revealed about his parents?? Why didn’t the avengers review all of it during Age of Ultron? Shouldn’t Tony have the resources and intelligence to access to all that stuff how did he not see this earlier about how Bucky killed his parents??
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674shield, not even shield, the organization/council working with shield probably/ more than likely tried deleting or shielding most of the information. Since there are Hydra in the government body, it makes sense that Zemo got this data/video.
This probably still would’ve happened at some point down the line. Steve says “alright bro don’t freak out but HYDRA clipped your parents”, Tony says “damn that sucks but okay”, but then later comes the revelation that HYDRA sent this dude’s bestest buddy to clip your parents. Even if he was brainwashed I just watched a clip of this guy punching my mom’s face in. I’m going to feel some type of way about it, that’s all there is to it. There’s a lot of ways to justify it, but in that wrinkle in time, there’s footage of your mom getting executed and there’s the guy that did it just standing there. The urge to beat the shit out of that guy is human af.
Tony not only found out that how his parents died had been a lie, but they were brutally murdered by the Winter Soldier standing 5 feet away AND Cap knew but never told him. That is a lot to process and I can't blame him for wanting to end Bucky.
On top of that, Tony's no doubt reeling from having to arrest several of his friends and the Avengers being all but destroyed, all for the sake of a lie (or several, technically). A lot of Tony's buttons were pushed.
If you look real closely or pause at the right time when Tony’s about to engage at Bucky 3:36, you can see a tear in Bucky’s eye. Bucky clearly at this point has tremendous guilt for killing Tony’s parents, including Howard who knew both Steve and Bucky, even though he was brainwashed by HYDRA. Poor Bucky. 😢
Howard’s relationship with Bucky is very underrated when you think about it, they both didn’t know each other for that long and most of us assumed that Howard only knew Bucky as “Captain’s best friend”, however the fact that Howards still recognizes him immediately after nearly 50 years after the war ended and didn’t forget him even after he was supposedly “dead” since the 1940s tells us a lot of about Howard.
What's great about this twist is that this was set up since Winter Soldier. It didn't come off as a last minute twist. It works and deepens the conflict between Steve and Tony. To this day I think this scene is MCU at it's best. There are no crappy and forced humour. It works perfectly. I am not really keeping up with MCU these days (got over it after No way home) but I hope they bring the writers and directors of this movie back because they know characterization.
Understandable, not justified. It would be justified if Bucky was in his right mind and in control of his actions when acting as the Winter Soldier. But he wasn’t. He is just as much of a victim as every person he killed. He was unwillingly used as a puppet for Hydra. Forced to do their dirty work with no way of breaking free from their control.
@@thatrandomgamer6278what's sad is the serum hydra used on bucky woreoff so he remembers ever kill he's made when he was winter soldier the guilt he must feel
1:38 "An empire toppled by it's enemies can rise again, but one which crumbles from within, that's dead... Forever." Zemo is kinda wrong and right about this, hmm 🤔
I may have been on Steve’s side during the movie but in this scene I’m on Tony’s side, he was right to be angry and vengeful and wanted to kill Bucky and was angry at Steve for keeping this a secret from him.
Yeah, it’s a lose, lose situation. Both sides were justified in their fight. Obviously Tony should try to avenge his parents. But Bucky wasn’t in control and doesn’t deserve to die for his crimes.
And the worst part was bucky didn't even apologised even once... whole time Steve was covering for him...he didn't tried to explain him instead Steve was talking all the time.... Tony's anger was justified... And one more thing,,, in winter soldier,,, steve therew his sheild and said you are my friend,,, I can't fight you... Couldn't he do the same with Tony??... And instead of attacking him 2 on one ,,, they could have tried to make him understand....
Rogers couldn't refuse to fight Tony here, because he had to stop Tony from killing Barnes.. Rogers wasn't really attacking here, he was just trying to save Barnes from Tony
Reliving the death of his mother and finding out the one who did it was there was Tony's breaking point. All the betrayal he faced, the heartbreaks, was nothing compared to this.
i like to think that if steve told tony from the start the entire team would have died there and earth would be gone without the avengers up to that point
Why people don't wanna understand the fact that Steve seriously didn't knew Tony's parents were killed by Winter Soldier. He only knew that Hydra killed Tony's parents but he didn't knew that Bucky killed him.
This is all on Cap. This reaction from Tony should never have happened and Tony is 100% justified for his bloodlust based on the information he had at the time. Yes the other guy was mind controlled, but NO ONE is going to be thinking straight when you just watched your family get murdered, the guy that did it is 4 feet away, and the people you trust hid this information. Cap is no civilian. He knows the importance of team cohesion and that means telling his team things they need to know and make sure they are good before going on a mission.
This is just insane cinematography and storyline with dynamic actors. Modern mcu can never hope to achieve this level of complexity and character ever again.
@transformersrevenge9 Zemo is just a man, not a Titan. He went up against the Avengers on his own using his wits to tear them apart. If Thanos did not turn up, the Avengers would not have gotten back together again, and everyone on Captain Americas side during Civil War would have remained wanted criminals.
He didn't lied to him 😏 He actually didn't knew they were killed by the Winter Soldier. He only got to knew Hydra killed Tony stark when he met Zola during the Captian America The Winter Soldier movie. Steve was not lying he seriously didn't knew it was Bucky who killed Tony's parents.
@@vaibhavbagasi7346 As you pointed out, cap came to know about it from zolas files, so he did know about the Starks being killed by bucky. Cap literally accepts he was lying and says, "Yes" when presented with the counter argument, "Don't bu||shit me Rogers".
tony was always labelled as selfish, but in reality tony was the one who was always ready to sacrifice himself to save the world. This scene is so heartbreaking, as what tony did was so justified.
Tony is a complicated figure and he was as selfish as he was empathetic. There's so many shades of grey in all of us. There's a Tony, Cap, and Bucky in all of us, one way or another.
“Don’t bull**it me Rogers did you know?” The way Robert delivers that line with such pain and venomous fury is absolutely incredible and scary. He’s going to make a great Doctor Doom
I never understood by Bucky didn't explain at this moment that he was being mind controlled. He just sat there, looking guilty. And Cap didn't explain anything either. I felt like they just allowed the enemy to drive a large wedge between them.
Bucky really never apologizes, neither does cap Tony’s whole life was kind of pivoted because of this moment his mom and dad dying when he was young in a car crash then to find out that the two people his dad worked with talked about and we’re heroes to Tony knew that Tony’s father was killed by Bucky in. Captain, didn’t say anything but protected him.
I think it's worth remembering that Tony's not just angry about what happened to his parents, and the fact that Cap lied to him. He's also no doubt angry that Cap tore apart the Avengers (Tony's mental safety blanket) for the sake of a murderer and to stop a threat that didn't exist (the other Winter Soldiers). Everything Tony built to protect the world, gone for the sake of a lie.
And THIS is why I don't fully buy into Captain America being worthy. He should have told Tony about Bucky's involvement in his parent's death LONG before this. In fact, much of the conflict of this movie could have been avoided if Cap had taken the time to explain to everyone that Bucky had done certain things as a Hydra sleeper agent that Bucky himself wasn't in control of. That's the reason I'm squarely Team Iron Man in this movie. The entire conflict comes from Cap's inability to accept responsibility
I am both impressed and relieved Tony's armour was equipped enough to both be offensive and defensive to not just Super Soldiers, but Captain Ametica and the Winter Soldier. Wow
Tony's anger was justified here. Yeah, Bucky was brainwashed, so he can be written off as not being in control. But Steve, there's no excuse. Tony was the son of one of his closest allies. To not let him in the loop is unforgivable.
T'Challa's target there was Zemo himself. Zemo was the real killer of his father, the King of Wakanda, remember? He might as well plan to kill Zemo that day but then he realized what happened if his emotions consumed him as what he witnessed from stark, bucky and cap.
What they did with Zemo in this movie was phenomenal This is my favourite reimagining of a comic book character that's nothing like his original character
This scene, from Cap looking at Zemo and back at the screen knowing damn well what it is, to Tony flinching and closing his eyes realizing what happened, really just shows how emotional the old MCU was.
Earlier in the film when Tony was using Quentin’s creation to project a hologram of his last conversation with his parents he said the line “That’s how I wish it had happened.” There’s no doubt in my mind that the last time Tony spoke to Howard (pre Endgame) they argued. And Howard left in a huff and Maria tried to calm him down in the car. Which means that the last time he saw his parents in the flesh they were mad at each other. Which makes this hurt allllll the more.
Just saying, if Zemo never done this, Thanos might not able get the mind stone from Vision. This one moment caused the avengers to split apart, which lead Vision to disappear with Wanda.
I can't imagine the pain tony must feel seeing his parents mostly his mother dying his heart must be breaking all over again its been years since his parents died he must feel that pain all over again
I mean, that's the point: heroes are heroes, yes, but they’re still human and vulnerable to influences of self-desire. Even Steve Rogers, "the greatest man on Earth", has that darkness inside of him. Steve knows that he not only failed Tony, but he also failed himself and Erskine, which is part of the reason that he abandoned the shield: he was no longer worthy of being Captain America. He even admits to being wrong later on. Endgame is where we see Steve redeem himself. Not _absolve,_ mind you, but redeem.
The way they showed evil buck beating Tony’s dad was mad ruthless . Didn’t think they would show that. This scene was full of trauma , sadness , betrayal. This was peak marvel 😭
You know they should use this kind of stuff for the next transforner film directed by micheal bay for when bumblebee finds out cermntry wind killed both sam and carly and he gets angry with optumus
Except members of Cementery Wind did that willingly out of vengeance, the Winter Soldier was under mind control, until he literally cannot say no to doing any "evil work". And clearly Optimus doesn't side with Cementery Wind so this doesn't make sense
“There’s a bit of green in the blue of your eyes.” Green is often portrayed as an evil color, like Disney villains having a lime green color to them sometimes. So when Zemo says that there is a bit of green in the perfection of blue in his eyes to Cap, Zemo is saying that despite being “gods righteous man” as Ultron put it, he is imperfect because of that one secret he kept from Tony, his own friend/family just to save himself and Bucky
Tony fans: "Tony is not responsible for anything ever because Wanda messed with his head one time" Also Tony fans "Bucky's mind control is *NO EXCUSE!" He is still responsible for his actions!" They don't even see their own hypocrisy.
It’s an avengers movie. They just couldn’t call it that cause two of the most powerful avengers weren’t there. Which is good cause I bet Thor would’ve sided with Tony. He understands wanting remember for parents deaths.
It's a long time between this and "Turns out resentment is corrosive, and I hate it." but it's great that they finally come back together, it just took a while.
I feel a great empathy for Bucky. As far as he was ever aware, he was fighting alongside Cap defeating hydra agents and ever since he fell off that train, his entire life was no longer his. Enhanced, branwashed, and forced to kill people who were once his comrades is nothing short of terrifying. To quite literally be in the passenger seat and watch yourself murder people on behalf of the very enemies you sought to stop. Why would bucky fight back? In spite of his overwhelming guilt, he just wanted to live, and EVERYONE around him apart from Steve just wanted him dead. Whether he was responsible or not for what people went through, whether he was in control or not, he will forever see himself as a man on the run, a guilty man. A simple "im sorry" would NEVER have cut it.
Initially yes but I think Steve would've been able to convince him to stand down during the "he was brainwashed" part. A lot of the rage Tony was under just came from feeling betrayed that Steve never bothered to tell him. One other person being in the dark too could've helped make cooler heads prevail.
I think steve might have been able to talk him out but he would have definitely been pissed initially, part of that rage was definitely due to feeling betrayed by steve. If this was the first time though I think that infinity war would have played out a little differently.
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The look of betrayal and anger in Tonys face alone is grade A acting
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@@dropkickirish4449 what 🙄?
@@dropkickirish4449 what's N?
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From the beginning, Steve and Tony's relationship was like leaking oil, and this moment was the last drop needed to ignite a fire.
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real. stop being gay using that emoji 💀
Hmmmm. Sounds like a car guy's explanation. Noice
I'm glad I got to experience this part of the MCU. Seeing these two's relationship build up and eventually crumble was a sight to see
Bucky didn’t apologize because he knew what he was unforgivable.
Tony wasn’t just hurt because he found out the truth, he was hurt because Steve didn’t tell him
Plus he didn't even have the chance here to comprehend all of this and Tony didn't give him a moment to talk
Zemo is also literally unforgivable.
@@Evil-ZemoisaPsychopathmo-zn4ckor one of the smartest villains in the mcu .
Why would he apologise? If I was brainwashed into killing people and had 0 control over my brain or body, I wouldn't apologise either. I would feel horrible for being used like that, but why the hell would I apologise and what would a man apologise for in a situation like this? "Hey man, I'm so sorry, I was brainwashed/mind-controlled and was forced to kill your parents. I apologise and won't do it again." Some of you have the brain capacity of a toddler.
@souvikmondal6161 Those are not mutually exclusive. He's the most successful Avengers villain. He's still a literal war criminal who worked for HYDRA and was part of a Sokovian kill-squad. That is the equivalent of saying a Russian Wagner commander can't be a bad person because they captured Bakhmut, Zemo is still a literal fascist even though he fought the Avengers and claimed to be against Nazism and the idea of super-soldiers
I’ve always believed Cap not being honest with Tony about his parents was one of the reasons he didn’t pick up mjolnir in Ultron
That's a good theory but cap can be seen slightly lifting mjolnir in age of Ultron
No he has been worthy he just doesn't wanna make Thor look bad nor rule Asgard. Also if you watched the whole movie you would see things more clearly
@@JGame300i miss when him slightly lifting it had people so confused and people where saying Steve is almost worthy or half worthy or something
Sometime the truth need to hide
Nah, it can't be that. Otherwise Odin himself wouldn't be able to lift Mjolnir because he wasn't honest with Loki about his origins in the first movie.
3:13 Those eyes…..
You can tell he and his mom were close. Unlike his dad. Yes it hurts to see the winter soldier kill him. But then he realizing his momma was next. The pain of watching it the pain knowing you can’t stop it. Cause it a tape, it already happened a long ago. But watching it now finally. It just brings back pain back just like when you receive the news and found out she died type of pain again.
What’s worse the killer standing next to him. Brainwashed or not.
you can tell? lmao it's just an actor u dumbo
That’s why he says “he killed my mom” instead of “he killed my parents.”
He loved them both very dearly.
He just understood & appreciated his dad less as a young boy which is quite common.
He however grew to understand & appreciate his dad more as shown in the other avengers related movies.
@@tjadeadeyeye8630 yeah but this point in the mcu he still despises him just a bit. His daughter help appreciate his dad a bit more cause it help him understand fatherhood more.
What hurts Tony the most here is the fact that his own friend knew all along, but kept it mum from him
"There's a bit of green in the blue of your eyes"
I love that line so much.
So he was referring to like Rogers was like Hulk?
@@Radoslaw731no, just that captain isn't perfect after all
@@Radoslaw731 even though hulk and cap come from the same super solider program no I don't think thats what he's talking about.
Captain AMerica. Blonde Hair Blue eyes. Hitler's race.
Wow. I would use this phrase from now on replacing "i wanna put some dirt in your eye".@@un_tip_obisnuit
I legit dont care what explanation anyone wants to conjure up. Tony was justified here.
@Divine-InstinctCap in this instance is to blame for not telling Tony straight away both him and Natasha had an obligation to tell him at least Hydra killed his parents.
You are so close minded. You should always open up to opinions whether you think they're right or wrong. For me, those who don't open their minds to the opinion of others are either stupid or just plain entitlement.
its okay to be wrong
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No he wasn't. He was going to murder in cold blood a man controlled man who was literally mind controlled into killing his parents because he was sad. The flaw in your logic is very easily exposed when you ask the question what Tony would have done if the mind controlled person was Happy or Pepper or someone he knew and had a strong positive personal connection with.
The only person that deserves blame here is Steve. He knew the truth since Captain America: The Winter Soldier and kept it from Tony. That pushed him over the edge.
His brother from over 50 years ago was brainwashed into killing people against his will.
Now go on and tell the IRS about the money your family doesn't file....go on...I'll wait....
@@CB394 how did Tony not find out about this earlier tho if Black Widow leaked everything to the world? Why didn’t the avengers review all of it during Age of Ultron? Shouldn’t Tony have the resources and intelligence to access to all that stuff how did he not see this earlier about how Bucky killed his parents??
couldnt he have easily found out tho once hydra was exposed and the leaks were out?@@CB394
@@CB394you think Steve wouldn’t have guessed that it was Bucky. The winter soldier was literally Hydra’s Hitman
@@CB394 or how ABOUT, I just keep TYPING some BIG words to illustrate MY POINT 😃😃
Cap saying he didnt know it was him 5 seconds before saying he did know is WILD behavior.
Severe snake behavior
My interpretation is that Steve didn't know it was Bucky in particular who killed Tony's parents. But what he did know was that Hydra were responsible for their deaths as it was revealed by Zola in Winter Soldier.
@@cfcblue8yes thats the whole point
@@cfcblue8 trust me, Steve is smart enough to put two and two together. Keep in mind when Zemo said “ accidents happen” with the silhouette of the Winter soldier, there was only one man that can kill them and make it look like an accident to such a way that it’s believable in the eyes of shield
@@sinfuladam The silhouette of the Winter Soldier was shown when Zola said "history was changed." Personally, I took that to mean that Hydra were responsible for JFK. When he said "accidents will happen", we're shown the news article of Howard's death so it can left open to interpretation, but I can see what you mean by putting two and two together.
3:40 Tony looks so disappointed in Cap that he stopped him. It only took him a moment to realize that he was in on it too
Cap was too caught up in the past and Tony wasn't. Tony was the true leader of the avengers and this is why
@@ironick917 I don't think so. They've mostly had a higher success rate with Cap on their side. Even Tony would tell you that. I don't know why people like to dick ride either hero. They are both equal. Cap just brings that presence that makes everyone feel more motivated.
@@rafayg7376 not everyone is going to be motivated the way he expects it
3:53 dam such good acting RDJ nails it
He’s always the goat
3:40 what a great bit of acting tho, for real
Stark shouldn't be blamed here, and neither should Barnes, too.
So, for Stark, they've known for 4 years now. Yet when he found out within those 4 years that Rogers also found out when he woke up that his own best friend took out Stark's parents, he felt betrayed.
As for Barnes, he never knew what he was doing, either, since he was brainwashed and did what he was told without asking questions.
@a.rtomboy6202then tony should kiss him and forgive? Tf
That man is playing Galaga... He not deserve it
@a.rtomboy6202Buhuuuuuu
@a.rtomboy6202that's not the problem. What Tony sees is his mom being murdered by a guy. Yes his mom and dad aren't Buckys first victims, but at the moment anyone who'd be in his shoes would do the same
Steve never knew it was Bucky in specific that killed Tony’s parents. He knew it was Hydra but not Bucky!
This is so well written because you perfectly understand where all 3 of them are coming from.
Not really
@@Marvelfanatic3658Bucky was brain washed so he had no control over what he did
Tony had every right to get pissed off
Steve had no way of telling Tony a rational way that “hey my best friend killed your parents, and I have the footage” to Tony without him going ape shit and tracking him down.
@@Slipper489I think, if Steve told Tony, everyone would've been prepared about the brainwash trigger when Bucky was being detained. Tony wouldn't cross the line he was advocating for and the Wakanda would have provided rehabilitation sooner for Barnes for a proper trial.
@@froilanflorentino1252knowing how Tony felt while watching the video, even before he even asked Steve if he knew, Tony made up his mind and was ready to fight Bucky regardless. He didn’t even target Steve initially either.
@@Slipper489 And he wouldn't be able to do that on Bucky's trial and onwards since that would jeopardize the accord along with other reasons I've said.
Sheer sadness in Cap's eyes and face is amazing when he tries to stop Tony. You can hear it in his trembling voice.
I miss Cap and Tony 3000. Imo, this film is one of the films that changed the MCU forever. Not in a weird or criticizing way
i'm not feeling bad for steve here, i liked the part where tony hit him should've done more than just hit him, which i'm pretty sure he did but i haven't watched any of the avenger movies
Tony really can't be blamed for reacting the way he did. Anybody in his position would feel unimaginable levels of betrayal, and no one really knows how they'd react to that until it happened.
I can imagine how poor Bucky felt, probably cursing at Hydra.
Yeah definitely
Nah seriously poor Bucky.
If he was cursing hydra why he said i remember all of it to tony 🙄
@@LEOMESSIKING1000I guess he meant that he remembers all of his bad deeds which by itself is a trauma to a brainwashed guy forced to kill
@@LEOMESSIKING1000he only remembers what he did after the operation where he have a post clarity. Only to be rewritten again by hydra for the next mission.
Baron zemo is way smarter and cunning than the avengers and he divided them
Yup. Like politicians.
Well only cus someoneh ad recorded this event. He isn't some mastermind from the 1900s who created this scenario, just stumbled upon this.
@@SRNAR8 That's actually untrue. Zemo knew about it the entire time. Remember, he was a Colonel in that Sokovian hit squad and had access to a lot of the information regarding the super soldier program. That's explained in this film.
Thor beat him to the 1976 F1 world championship, so this was his way of taking revenge.
😢😢😢@@mondrian5620
Rage. Inconsolable and most justified rage. I would have done the same thing. And so would Bruce Wayne, even if it was Clark that kept that secret from him.
@ier4g6 I wonder if there’s ever been a storyline between them
Imagine what Bruce Banner would have done?
@@GeorgioArmoni Oh dear Lord, please don’t go there, Dr Banner would be probably cause a nuclear response if he was in Stark’s position
@@GeorgioArmoni He was in that position in a comic: World war Hulk
Or if it was Barry and Oliver knew it was Wells/Thawne that killed his mum
Howard was Steve's and Buckey's friend so for them not to clear the air with Tony before hand knowing what Buckey did under Hydra was the problem
Exactly. I understand there's grey area here because, Bucky was mind controlled, but the second Bucky got his memories back and told Steve about what he did and the fact they hanged on to that information for years and didn't say anything. Yeah, I would've been p***** too if I had found out this way.
At the end of CA:TWS, Bucky only regained a tiny amount of memories that gave him back his autonomy. He was struggling with regaining his memories, he didn't even fully recognize Steve from their encounter in Bucharest, of course by that point he didn't remember absolutely all the people he was forced to kill.
And there is nothing to indicate that Bucky knew that Tony's parents were among those victims, Because the order HYDRA gave him was only the recovery of an item and the elimination of witnesses, they never provided him with the identity of the Starks. He knew their identity until he saw the tape, and most likely that flashback itself was triggered by the tape itself, and not before.
@@Aaron.M88 1. When Bucky was on the run for two years at the end of CA:TWS, he was struggling with recovering his memories, he didn't even fully recognize Steve at their meeting in Bucharest. Of course by that time he had not magically recovered all the memories of the people he was forced to kill.
2. Absolutely nothing indicates that Bucky knew the identities of the Starks, as HYDRA did not provide him with that information, the only thing they ordered him to do was to extract a package and leave no witnesses. And if he didn't know their identities, much less would he know that they were Tony's parents, a guy he met just a day or two ago.
3. Bucky discovered their identities only until he saw the tape and not before. Most likely, that very memory of the mission appeared in Bucky's mind until that moment, triggered by the tape itself.
@@diannerg99no he remembers all of the victims he even says as much
@@davidbarlow-yj6mc yes, but the only thing Bucky could remember about the victims he was forced to kill are their faces, there is no way he could have known their identities, and the last time he saw Howard was when he was 25 years old, when they were reunited Stark was an old man in his 70s, added to the fact that according to the canonical book The Wakanda Files, Bucky's long and short term memories come and go.
Tony was all cool with fun and games. This must be the most angry he got in the whole franchise.
Cap is selfish as much as we as humans can understand his reasoning for not wanting to straight up tell his good friend about how his parents were murdered he was in the wrong for holding back. You could see how Tony is much more in rage than just seeing that it was Bucky. Maybe that’s why the nod to Caps eyes is a strong detail.
to think steve knows from the start, since winter soldier movie. this fight could never happened if he told tony from the get go and let his anger and anguish simmer down. he could have explain and let tony digest that information. Tony stark has a big heart, he need to mourn for a bit before settling in mind that he can help steve retrieving bucky. we know tony would forgive bucky as he did to others. especially how he forgive steve and the other avengers who fought with him in that ending stone retrieval,. despite the other haven't ask an apology in return.
its just sad that this could had been prevented.
@yessimdisgudying5994 how did Tony not find out about this earlier tho if Black Widow leaked everything to the world a couple years earlier? Knowing that Tony’s parents were associated with Hydra, wouldn’t that information about Bucky killing his parents have been leaked too? Wouldn’t Tony want to/had already read the leaks and what it revealed about his parents?? Why didn’t the avengers review all of it during Age of Ultron? Shouldn’t Tony have the resources and intelligence to access to all that stuff how did he not see this earlier about how Bucky killed his parents??
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674shield, not even shield, the organization/council working with shield probably/ more than likely tried deleting or shielding most of the information. Since there are Hydra in the government body, it makes sense that Zemo got this data/video.
This probably still would’ve happened at some point down the line. Steve says “alright bro don’t freak out but HYDRA clipped your parents”, Tony says “damn that sucks but okay”, but then later comes the revelation that HYDRA sent this dude’s bestest buddy to clip your parents. Even if he was brainwashed I just watched a clip of this guy punching my mom’s face in. I’m going to feel some type of way about it, that’s all there is to it.
There’s a lot of ways to justify it, but in that wrinkle in time, there’s footage of your mom getting executed and there’s the guy that did it just standing there. The urge to beat the shit out of that guy is human af.
Forgive? I doubt it.
Tony not only found out that how his parents died had been a lie, but they were brutally murdered by the Winter Soldier standing 5 feet away AND Cap knew but never told him. That is a lot to process and I can't blame him for wanting to end Bucky.
On top of that, Tony's no doubt reeling from having to arrest several of his friends and the Avengers being all but destroyed, all for the sake of a lie (or several, technically).
A lot of Tony's buttons were pushed.
If you look real closely or pause at the right time when Tony’s about to engage at Bucky 3:36, you can see a tear in Bucky’s eye. Bucky clearly at this point has tremendous guilt for killing Tony’s parents, including Howard who knew both Steve and Bucky, even though he was brainwashed by HYDRA. Poor Bucky. 😢
You are one perceptive nigga. Very well spotted.
Also Cap was teary eyed in this 3:50
Howard’s relationship with Bucky is very underrated when you think about it, they both didn’t know each other for that long and most of us assumed that Howard only knew Bucky as “Captain’s best friend”, however the fact that Howards still recognizes him immediately after nearly 50 years after the war ended and didn’t forget him even after he was supposedly “dead” since the 1940s tells us a lot of about Howard.
tears falling and ive seen this clip so many times... i miss good mcu
The fact that he caught cap lying straight to his face was even worse
What's great about this twist is that this was set up since Winter Soldier. It didn't come off as a last minute twist. It works and deepens the conflict between Steve and Tony. To this day I think this scene is MCU at it's best. There are no crappy and forced humour. It works perfectly. I am not really keeping up with MCU these days (got over it after No way home) but I hope they bring the writers and directors of this movie back because they know characterization.
Tony had a 100% justified reaction what else would you do if you realized that your own parents were assassinated
Understandable, not justified. It would be justified if Bucky was in his right mind and in control of his actions when acting as the Winter Soldier. But he wasn’t. He is just as much of a victim as every person he killed. He was unwillingly used as a puppet for Hydra. Forced to do their dirty work with no way of breaking free from their control.
Would have cried first
Secondly would have cried louder
Thi
@@thatrandomgamer6278 Your right not justified I used the wrong word
@@thatrandomgamer6278what's sad is the serum hydra used on bucky woreoff so he remembers ever kill he's made when he was winter soldier the guilt he must feel
'' I'm disappointed. Not because you didn't find it, but because you did and you lied.'' - Thanos
This scene in the theatre was just something else, everyone went silent
It was definitely something else , imagine wasting money for cinema
1:38 "An empire toppled by it's enemies can rise again, but one which crumbles from within, that's dead... Forever." Zemo is kinda wrong and right about this, hmm 🤔
I may have been on Steve’s side during the movie but in this scene I’m on Tony’s side, he was right to be angry and vengeful and wanted to kill Bucky and was angry at Steve for keeping this a secret from him.
kinda felt bad for bucky coz like yk hydra was controlling his mind and i don’t blame tony for wanting to fight him but it wasn’t his fault 😭
If I was with him, I wouldn’t blame him, either.
@spiderystranger
Blame Cap for being the shitiest friend known to man.
Yeah, it’s a lose, lose situation. Both sides were justified in their fight. Obviously Tony should try to avenge his parents. But Bucky wasn’t in control and doesn’t deserve to die for his crimes.
@@Solomoncaesar, true that, it was Hydra (Zemo) who controlled his mind.
How was cap a bad friend? I didn't see the film
And the worst part was bucky didn't even apologised even once... whole time Steve was covering for him...he didn't tried to explain him instead Steve was talking all the time....
Tony's anger was justified...
And one more thing,,, in winter soldier,,, steve therew his sheild and said you are my friend,,, I can't fight you... Couldn't he do the same with Tony??... And instead of attacking him 2 on one ,,, they could have tried to make him understand....
Lol true. Bucky is a straight up fool
You can’t apologize for things that are unforgivable, he probably knew that
Rogers couldn't refuse to fight Tony here, because he had to stop Tony from killing Barnes.. Rogers wasn't really attacking here, he was just trying to save Barnes from Tony
@@sicksadworld765 atleast explain him the situation,,,
@@mr.jx5n324 that's right but barns was,,,, clearly after knowing all of that happend because of him... Though unintentionally but still it was him...
0:24 look how fast Captain America
Reliving the death of his mother and finding out the one who did it was there was Tony's breaking point. All the betrayal he faced, the heartbreaks, was nothing compared to this.
How heartbreaking to see Tony's face when he heard "yes" from Steve... I miss the old Marvel times!
i like to think that if steve told tony from the start the entire team would have died there and earth would be gone without the avengers up to that point
Why people don't wanna understand the fact that Steve seriously didn't knew Tony's parents were killed by Winter Soldier. He only knew that Hydra killed Tony's parents but he didn't knew that Bucky killed him.
I think Steve should had been more specific.
@@dragonninjaghostgirl7981 He just don''t wanna hurt Tony's feelings by telling him that your parents were killed by Hydra.
@@vaibhavbagasi7346 But its too late. Tony is way too hurt in this scene.
@@dragonninjaghostgirl7981 That is the plot of the movie they wanted to break Avengers team.
This is all on Cap. This reaction from Tony should never have happened and Tony is 100% justified for his bloodlust based on the information he had at the time. Yes the other guy was mind controlled, but NO ONE is going to be thinking straight when you just watched your family get murdered, the guy that did it is 4 feet away, and the people you trust hid this information. Cap is no civilian. He knows the importance of team cohesion and that means telling his team things they need to know and make sure they are good before going on a mission.
This is just insane cinematography and storyline with dynamic actors. Modern mcu can never hope to achieve this level of complexity and character ever again.
"In another universe, the Red Guardian stopped the Winter Soldier from killing Maria and Howard Stark."
Before Thanos beat The Avengers, Zemo beat them first.
Tony - We'll lose..
Zemo softened them up and split them into two, and Thanos kicked both teams asses.
@transformersrevenge9 Zemo is just a man, not a Titan. He went up against the Avengers on his own using his wits to tear them apart. If Thanos did not turn up, the Avengers would not have gotten back together again, and everyone on Captain Americas side during Civil War would have remained wanted criminals.
@@Zam_from_NerdTube "Nope, he isn't Zemo. He's not a man. More like an evil monster, psycho."
He isn't a man he just more
Like an evil monster, u fool.
"I didn't know it was him". The audacity to lie at his face even when confronted.
He didn't lied to him 😏 He actually didn't knew they were killed by the Winter Soldier. He only got to knew Hydra killed Tony stark when he met Zola during the Captian America The Winter Soldier movie. Steve was not lying he seriously didn't knew it was Bucky who killed Tony's parents.
@@vaibhavbagasi7346 As you pointed out, cap came to know about it from zolas files, so he did know about the Starks being killed by bucky.
Cap literally accepts he was lying and says, "Yes" when presented with the counter argument, "Don't bu||shit me Rogers".
tony was always labelled as selfish, but in reality tony was the one who was always ready to sacrifice himself to save the world. This scene is so heartbreaking, as what tony did was so justified.
Tony is a complicated figure and he was as selfish as he was empathetic. There's so many shades of grey in all of us. There's a Tony, Cap, and Bucky in all of us, one way or another.
“Don’t bull**it me Rogers did you know?”
The way Robert delivers that line with such pain and venomous fury is absolutely incredible and scary. He’s going to make a great Doctor Doom
I never understood by Bucky didn't explain at this moment that he was being mind controlled. He just sat there, looking guilty. And Cap didn't explain anything either. I felt like they just allowed the enemy to drive a large wedge between them.
Bucky really never apologizes, neither does cap Tony’s whole life was kind of pivoted because of this moment his mom and dad dying when he was young in a car crash then to find out that the two people his dad worked with talked about and we’re heroes to Tony knew that Tony’s father was killed by Bucky in. Captain, didn’t say anything but protected him.
3:34 CAPTAIN: Oh man. This is not going to be good.
0:51 that’s right T’Challa. You got the wrong guy.
This is why Zemo is the greatest MCU villain of all
You can see how tony couldn’t bare seeing his dad being punched to death by bucky, he closed his eyes at 3:00
2:45 that’s when he remembered but he couldn’t fight his programming. Not both Tony and Bucky have to live with that pain forever
Um… You know Tony’s also dead, right?
I think it's worth remembering that Tony's not just angry about what happened to his parents, and the fact that Cap lied to him.
He's also no doubt angry that Cap tore apart the Avengers (Tony's mental safety blanket) for the sake of a murderer and to stop a threat that didn't exist (the other Winter Soldiers). Everything Tony built to protect the world, gone for the sake of a lie.
And THIS is why I don't fully buy into Captain America being worthy. He should have told Tony about Bucky's involvement in his parent's death LONG before this. In fact, much of the conflict of this movie could have been avoided if Cap had taken the time to explain to everyone that Bucky had done certain things as a Hydra sleeper agent that Bucky himself wasn't in control of.
That's the reason I'm squarely Team Iron Man in this movie. The entire conflict comes from Cap's inability to accept responsibility
100% agree with you.
It was a lose-lose situation for Steve. He tried to protect both Tony and Bucky
There’s 30 some odd movies in this universe, now about a dozen tv shows… 4 avengers films.
For me this is the most dramatic moment in the MCU.
I straight forgot about all this. I have to watch the whole Mcu again bc the entire beef between iron man and cap I forgot
I am both impressed and relieved Tony's armour was equipped enough to both be offensive and defensive to not just Super Soldiers, but Captain Ametica and the Winter Soldier.
Wow
Tony's anger was justified here. Yeah, Bucky was brainwashed, so he can be written off as not being in control. But Steve, there's no excuse. Tony was the son of one of his closest allies. To not let him in the loop is unforgivable.
This movie was RDJs best performance in the entire MCU. Every feeling and thought so visible in his face.
Immagine if it was black panter and ironman vs captain america and bucky
But T'Challa choose not to intterupt the three of them. But wanted to dig deeper the truth about Steve intention.
T'Challa's target there was Zemo himself. Zemo was the real killer of his father, the King of Wakanda, remember? He might as well plan to kill Zemo that day but then he realized what happened if his emotions consumed him as what he witnessed from stark, bucky and cap.
Notice Tony didn’t get angry until he saw Bucky kill his mom
What they did with Zemo in this movie was phenomenal
This is my favourite reimagining of a comic book character that's nothing like his original character
Tony never got peace in his life ever.....😢
He got peace in endgame after thanos won and he had his daughter with pepper, until cap dragged him back into the fight... so so sad
This scene, from Cap looking at Zemo and back at the screen knowing damn well what it is, to Tony flinching and closing his eyes realizing what happened, really just shows how emotional the old MCU was.
The acting is so good omg
No shit
Earlier in the film when Tony was using Quentin’s creation to project a hologram of his last conversation with his parents he said the line “That’s how I wish it had happened.” There’s no doubt in my mind that the last time Tony spoke to Howard (pre Endgame) they argued. And Howard left in a huff and Maria tried to calm him down in the car. Which means that the last time he saw his parents in the flesh they were mad at each other. Which makes this hurt allllll the more.
Just saying, if Zemo never done this, Thanos might not able get the mind stone from Vision. This one moment caused the avengers to split apart, which lead Vision to disappear with Wanda.
Makes the scene look like an "accident", proceeds to shoot the light with a pistol.
Bro the acting is so good 😭
I can't imagine the pain tony must feel seeing his parents mostly his mother dying his heart must be breaking all over again its been years since his parents died he must feel that pain all over again
The fear in captains face 😮
His face changed... Im feel it😂
He wasn’t scared 😂😂😂
Yeah, he heard boss music! 😂
That last look he gave him was fr sad but amzing
Steve is a hypocrite and a horrible human being for not telling Tony. I don’t know why he still gets treated as a hero
I mean, that's the point: heroes are heroes, yes, but they’re still human and vulnerable to influences of self-desire. Even Steve Rogers, "the greatest man on Earth", has that darkness inside of him. Steve knows that he not only failed Tony, but he also failed himself and Erskine, which is part of the reason that he abandoned the shield: he was no longer worthy of being Captain America. He even admits to being wrong later on.
Endgame is where we see Steve redeem himself. Not _absolve,_ mind you, but redeem.
@@stormichow5325 Steve did redeem himself in a big way. BIG. Enough to be worthy of holding Mjlnor.
Tony was also betrayed as a hero after stopping Thanos even though he created weapons that would hurt innocent people
You could also use that flawed logic to make out Tony to not be a hero since he made ultron
Dormamu solo
Damn the way cap calmly but immediately starts watching tony instead of the video
How lucky there was a camera in the middle of the woods pointed at the exact tree they crashed, I mean what are the odds there
The way they showed evil buck beating Tony’s dad was mad ruthless . Didn’t think they would show that. This scene was full of trauma , sadness , betrayal. This was peak marvel 😭
You know they should use this kind of stuff for the next transforner film directed by micheal bay for when bumblebee finds out cermntry wind killed both sam and carly and he gets angry with optumus
Except members of Cementery Wind did that willingly out of vengeance, the Winter Soldier was under mind control, until he literally cannot say no to doing any "evil work". And clearly Optimus doesn't side with Cementery Wind so this doesn't make sense
After all these years, the scene is still EPIC!!!
and panther is just there the whole time LOL
I remember watching this with 6 years on cd back then and was so scared of the scene wow I feel like an unc
3:37 m sure bucky might have shitted in his pants 😂😂😂😂
“There’s a bit of green in the blue of your eyes.”
Green is often portrayed as an evil color, like Disney villains having a lime green color to them sometimes. So when Zemo says that there is a bit of green in the perfection of blue in his eyes to Cap, Zemo is saying that despite being “gods righteous man” as Ultron put it, he is imperfect because of that one secret he kept from Tony, his own friend/family just to save himself and Bucky
If you just saw a video of your parents get murdered by a guy standing next to you how do you think you’d react in that exact moment ?
3:37 if you look closely at bucky you can see that he was tearing 😢 up because he knew that he had no control of what he did
Those hits
Tchalla should've helped tony but the fight would've been too one sided and he had other plans with zemo
Pretty sure tchalla learned the truth about Bucky before they fought so I don’t think he would
Tony fans: "Tony is not responsible for anything ever because Wanda messed with his head one time"
Also Tony fans "Bucky's mind control is *NO EXCUSE!" He is still responsible for his actions!"
They don't even see their own hypocrisy.
All they had to do was deny the video and say it was fake. That video could have easily been edited
bro you cant edit a video that complex its nt possible yet
Imagine if Zemo was just an experienced 3d modeller and this video is nothing more than a photorealistic render.
Steve felt guilty that he hid from Tony, so he couldnt again say its a fake video
@@Jdawg1234you can see in the first 30mins of the movie that realistic 3d holograms that mysterio used are already invented
A good friend does something to make their friend better not help them do the wrong thing
I will understand this was never a full on avengers movie ? But instead it was Captain America 3
It’s an avengers movie. They just couldn’t call it that cause two of the most powerful avengers weren’t there. Which is good cause I bet Thor would’ve sided with Tony. He understands wanting remember for parents deaths.
Impeccable show of facial expressions &acting skills by RDJ.. he's the Best..
Love Cap but it’s really hard not to side with Tony here
It's a long time between this and "Turns out resentment is corrosive, and I hate it." but it's great that they finally come back together, it just took a while.
This was good MCU.
I feel a great empathy for Bucky. As far as he was ever aware, he was fighting alongside Cap defeating hydra agents and ever since he fell off that train, his entire life was no longer his. Enhanced, branwashed, and forced to kill people who were once his comrades is nothing short of terrifying. To quite literally be in the passenger seat and watch yourself murder people on behalf of the very enemies you sought to stop.
Why would bucky fight back? In spite of his overwhelming guilt, he just wanted to live, and EVERYONE around him apart from Steve just wanted him dead. Whether he was responsible or not for what people went through, whether he was in control or not, he will forever see himself as a man on the run, a guilty man.
A simple "im sorry" would NEVER have cut it.
Do you think the scene would have played out the same if Steve didn't know, and that was the first time he saw it?
Ya he just found out buckey was alive so I don't really get how he would have..... it's not like he was keeping if from him since day one.....
Initially yes but I think Steve would've been able to convince him to stand down during the "he was brainwashed" part. A lot of the rage Tony was under just came from feeling betrayed that Steve never bothered to tell him. One other person being in the dark too could've helped make cooler heads prevail.
@@shawnwalsh9718 he found out in wintersolider that they were killed.
I think steve might have been able to talk him out but he would have definitely been pissed initially, part of that rage was definitely due to feeling betrayed by steve. If this was the first time though I think that infinity war would have played out a little differently.
@@epicfan1598 That was hydra evil.
Tony stark is a master in figuring out patterns, lies and deceit.