The whole Dash 8 family is great and capable of some pretty extreme approaches and departures compared to others. There is another long flight between Calgary, Alberta and Yellowknife, Northwest Territories in Canada served by WestJet Encore and Jazz Aviation. 1102 miles or 1773 kilometers.
The Dash-8 was the very first aircraft I flew in as a teenager for the first time in my life. When I first walked up towards it during boarding, it was the most beautiful aircraft I had ever seen - with its aggressive pointy nose and that exaggerated wide stance of the main landing gear. As an adult, I used to fly on it all the time between Manchester and Southampton for work commitments, before Flybe got into financial difficulties. Even though I have now flown in more modern aircraft like the the 787-10, the A350-1000, and the A220-300, the Dash-8 Q400 still remains my favourite aircraft of all time.
Use to fly with a Dash 8 - 100 with long range tanks from Sandefjord til Tromsø in Norway which was a little over 1200km and then onto Svalbard a little over 900km further on. The job we performed was navigation and ILS inspections.
Routed YTZ-YOW-YHZ-YYT on Porter back in 2014. Great experience. Also flew TXL-CPH-WAW in 2006 with SAS and between EWR-YTZ on Porter many times. Great plane.
@@donaldstanfield8862 it just takes too long ... and the noise level ... even the cabin staff complained of that line. not easy to spent >2 hours in a DASH Q400
Done several Q400 YUL to YTZs and YYT to YHZs. It lands in anything including thick fog. The two Pratt and Whitney's have enormous climbing power and performance. The props and engines are such a back to the future flying experience. Really like this aircraft. Really like where these props are heading as we move to low carbon options in the future. Flying distance St. John's to Halifax is 881 kms. It is the exclusive go to plane on that route over 3 or 4 different carriers. Takes about 1 hour and forty minutes.
I have flown on the Dash-8-400 a lot, the longest one Maputo to Quelimane on Mozambique Airlines (only 550 miles). It’s a workhorse. In my opinion this is the right plane for the fast growing African Market especial for city’s with small runways.
Great little plane, jumped on at Southampton Airport and used to zip up to Manchester when FLYBE ruled the skies out of Southampton. Hopefully this will happen again with FLYBE set to return.
@@VisualApproach They won't go bust because they are only starting with a small fleet of aircraft and all the debts they had from the Embraer jets etc are gone.
Toronto City Airport (YTZ) - Melbourne, Florida (MLB) & Ottawa (YOW) - Melbourne, Florida (MLB) are very popular routes and some of the longest ones in Canada for the Q-400
Took the mhh-lax flight 31 times before they left the market and it is such a joy and a thrill with the approach being directly over the Eastern sierras and made for very beautiful photos
The Dash 8-400 is an excellent plane to fly! It has lots of power and has very responsive controls. Jazz Aviation/Air Canada Express does one of the shortest flights in a 400, Vancouver to Victoria. The flight can be airborne for as little as 15 minutes or less.
I flew a Dash 8 from DCA to Westchester County outside NYC on US Airways back in the day. I was really surprised at the amount of legroom. It was very comfortable for the hour or so ride.
From a passengers point of view the Dash 8 will always give outstanding ride comfort and interior amenities. Flying in a Dash 8 is more like riding in a large airliner. I have flown in them many times in New Zealand and quite often its easy to forget that you are in a small regional plane. They are also a very capable machine from a performance point of view too. I have also had the pleasure of spending a few years working on them as a mechanic in Perth.
used to fly on them quite regularly between Southampton and Manchester with one flight being Southampton to Glasgow (my longest route on this plane) and another from Southampton to Newcastle
My first flight in a Q400 was a fam flight. I flew jump seat from CYVR-CYXT-CYVR, then did CYVR-CYYJ-CYVR, all in one day. I've been to quite a few places around Canada since then. I like dispatching Boeings, much better.
Flown more than 30 times to small cities in Norway with Widerøe Dash Q400-200 and 100, great aircraft that really let you feel how beautiful flying can be.
When I lived in Buffalo, NY always preferred the Q400 if I couldn’t get a seat in an A320 operated by JetBlue. Way way better flight experience for 6’+ tall people than the typical CRJ-200 service most other regionals offered. Now I live in Scottsdale, AZ and think the smallest thing I travel on is a E-175. The Dash 8-200 (with US Airways I think?) was also fun because you could have a window and aisle seat and would always board without a jetway but the flight experience on the 400 from recollection was vastly superior.
Canada’s Porter Airlines flies the Q400, with their home base at Billy Bishop Airport, located on the island in-front of Toronto’s CN Tower. Because of the runway length limitations, the planes have 2 fewer rows of seats than the maximum possible for the Q400. . . which means that long-legged people like me (6’3”) can fly in comfort with the 34” seat pitch. The plane is very fast for a TurboProp, but even if it’s not as fast as a pure jet, I’d sooner spend an extra hour on it than on a Budget A320, with my knees up around my eardrums 😉
I was in a Dash 8-400 from Guernsey to Southampton (then onward the same day to Amsterdam Schipol in Dash 8-400) in the middle of Storm Ciara (Feb 2020). These things fly through anything and feel oddly strong while being buffeted about by the conditions. That day was horrendous for flying. We were the only flight to leave Guernsey and one of the only ones to leave Southampton. Gsy-Soton leg was much more turbulent although it still wasn't a day for the drinks service on either flight!
I have flown with the Dash-8 400 from Toronto Island via Ottawa and Halifax to St. John's, Newfoundland. The entire route took 6 hours. While the crew on Porter Airlines was first rate, I would not recommend such a seat configuration for such a long flight, as it was very cramped. A lot does depend on the chosen seat configuration.
There is a Dash 8 Operator out of Perth, Western Australia, that does Perth - Geraldton - Karratha - Broome (1204 mi) and Perth - Alice Springs (1230 mi).
Nice video. There are some routes missing. Air Iceland flew scheduled flights from Keflavik Iceland to Aberdeen Scotland and Belfast N Ireland from 2016-2019. Route sector Kef-Abz 750 nm and Kef- Bhd 770 nm. 72 seat configuration and no problem with fully loaded airplane.
My longest Dash 8 flight was not too far, only YYC to YYJ. It was the final leg in a trip that went BHD->LHR->YYC->YYJ. The Dash 8 flight I'm very familiar with is the 20 minute hop between YYJ and YVR.
I flew in the cockpit of a Flybe Dash 8-400, it's an amazing aircraft, so fast, agile and rugged. Compared to the likes of the Embraer or an Airbus A320.
Im SEA based, and enjoy a Q-400 flight every now and then with Alaska/Horizon. I paricularly like how quickly i can depart the aircraft upon arrival. I prefer them to regional jets on shorter flights. I've also flown on Q400s of airBaltic and euroLOT.
I’ve had to fly quite a few times between Melbourne in southern Australia to Rockhampton which is in the middle of the northern state of Queensland. Typically the flight involves a jet service between Melbourne and Brisbane and a Dash 8 service for the second leg. Though in flight entertainment is non-existent for the Brisbane-Rockhampton portion of the journey, paradoxically there’s more leg room on the QantasLink Dash 8 compared to a regular Qantas B737.
I love the Dash 8's but not too many options for me to fly on prop jobs these days, but maybe I'll relocate upon retirement and find myself in turboprop country again!
Only time I was on a Dash 8 was on December last year flying 500 mile route from Ballina to Sydney Australia but the captain called in sick and we got canceled and were put in to a Boeing 737-800.
My experience on a dash 8 was the scariest I I have ever been, not sure but I think it was a 200 but coming from Portland to LAX I had a layover in Reno where we switched from a 737 to the dash 8 and the turbulence was so bad, I couldn't wait to get off.....it was Alaska airlines
Being on a turboprop aircraft is like having a metal bin on your head and someone hitting it with a hammer so the less time you spend on one the better.
I've been on 2 dash 8 q400 flights Santa rosa to Los angeles, and to Seattle. I honestly like these dash 8 planes especally the q400 since I'm trying to make a lego version of Alaska airlines.
It's probably because few people outside Scandinavia can pronounce Widerøe properly 🤣🤣🤣. I've flown with them several times. That is one company who knows how to fly in rough conditions and still land in one safely. 😊
I think it is a very nice aircraft. It is of course louder, than most jetaircraft, but that doesn't matter to me... also it is the only Turboprop I have ever been on yet 😂
I really want to fly this airplane, but only LOT and Sprint air operate flights from my home airport. LOT is too expensive ans I can't find where to buy Sprint air tickets
The Dash 8 family is far superior to those wretched ATRs. Dash 8s have been operating since the early 1980s. Possibly longer than the Fokker 50 which has come and gone. The Q400 competes well in terms of speed and efficiency with regional jets including ERJs and CRJs etc. They are smooth to fly in, very safe* and extremely versatile in terms meteorological extremes and variations, while their impressive STOL capabilities open up a large number of operations into short runway airfields. The longest flight I’ve been on is just under two hours and that is certainly long enough for any aircraft in that class, all regional turboprops have slimline very basic seats. It is a pity this video did not state the flying times on these longer sectors. They did not seem all that impressive. It was a poorly produced presentation. * there have been issues concerning the main landing gear with Dash 8s over the years with gear collapse on landing or being manually extended after hydraulic extension failed. These have not been the catalyst for any hull losses or passenger fatalities though. I believe that is well since resolved now.
The whole Dash 8 family is great and capable of some pretty extreme approaches and departures compared to others. There is another long flight between Calgary, Alberta and Yellowknife, Northwest Territories in Canada served by WestJet Encore and Jazz Aviation. 1102 miles or 1773 kilometers.
DeHavilland built great aircraft
The Dash-8 was the very first aircraft I flew in as a teenager for the first time in my life. When I first walked up towards it during boarding, it was the most beautiful aircraft I had ever seen - with its aggressive pointy nose and that exaggerated wide stance of the main landing gear. As an adult, I used to fly on it all the time between Manchester and Southampton for work commitments, before Flybe got into financial difficulties. Even though I have now flown in more modern aircraft like the the 787-10, the A350-1000, and the A220-300, the Dash-8 Q400 still remains my favourite aircraft of all time.
Unfortunately they are no longer made in Canada
@@redwater4778 They are, Viking Air now owns the program and they're moving production from Toronto Downsview to BC, sad for us East Canadians
@@axelsubo126 Vector aerospace was making the De Havilland Beaver in BC but have since relocated overseas.
I fly the Dash 8 all the time from my home on Air Canada Express and Porter...I love the Q400, especially with Porter...the service is pretty good.
I would agree I flew with Porter a few years ago from Toronto to Ottawa and I really enjoyed my experience, I have always loved the Q400
Use to fly with a Dash 8 - 100 with long range tanks from Sandefjord til Tromsø in Norway which was a little over 1200km and then onto Svalbard a little over 900km further on. The job we performed was navigation and ILS inspections.
I love the low buzzing sound of the Q400 in flight. It lulls me to sleep. Oh, plus there's not a bad seat in the house either.
That's the great thing about aircraft with the wings mounted on the top of the fuselage...above the windows.
Routed YTZ-YOW-YHZ-YYT on Porter back in 2014. Great experience. Also flew TXL-CPH-WAW in 2006 with SAS and between EWR-YTZ on Porter many times. Great plane.
Thank you for constantly uploading very informative and professional videos!
spicejet has scheduled q400 flights from Hyderabad to Gwalior which is approx 1100 miles which is one of the highest ever recorded in q400
Zagreb - Copenhagen by Croatia Airlines, 700 miles. maybe not be the longest one but sure feels like it when you are inside
Amsterdam to Zagreb by Croatia Airlines last September.
Why, because of the seating or cabin??
@@donaldstanfield8862 it just takes too long ... and the noise level ... even the cabin staff complained of that line. not easy to spent >2 hours in a DASH Q400
Calgary to Yellowknife, one of my favourite flights I’ve been on with the dash
Your videos are amazing! I subscribed
I have been fortunate to fly on Twin Otters and Dash 8-100s and they are awesome!
Many don't realize the Twin Otter is a DHC-6
Done several Q400 YUL to YTZs and YYT to YHZs. It lands in anything including thick fog. The two Pratt and Whitney's have enormous climbing power and performance. The props and engines are such a back to the future flying experience. Really like this aircraft. Really like where these props are heading as we move to low carbon options in the future. Flying distance St. John's to Halifax is 881 kms. It is the exclusive go to plane on that route over 3 or 4 different carriers. Takes about 1 hour and forty minutes.
Agree. I too have flown YYT-YHZ multiple times on the Dash 8
I flew it a few times. The best was from Ottawa to Billy Bishop airport in downtown Toronto with Porter. Great airline.
I have flown on the Dash-8-400 a lot, the longest one Maputo to Quelimane on Mozambique Airlines (only 550 miles).
It’s a workhorse. In my opinion this is the right plane for the fast growing African Market especial for city’s with small runways.
Great little plane, jumped on at Southampton Airport and used to zip up to Manchester when FLYBE ruled the skies out of Southampton. Hopefully this will happen again with FLYBE set to return.
They will rule the skies out of Birmingham now.
@@polishavgeek1849 and go bust a year later.
@@VisualApproach lets see
@@VisualApproach They won't go bust because they are only starting with a small fleet of aircraft and all the debts they had from the Embraer jets etc are gone.
Currently the longest non-stop route served by the Dash8 is Yakutsk to Krasnoyarsk on Yakutia Airlines at 2300km (1429 miles)
Toronto City Airport (YTZ) - Melbourne, Florida (MLB) & Ottawa (YOW) - Melbourne, Florida (MLB) are very popular routes and some of the longest ones in Canada for the Q-400
They did away with that route a couple years back before I got the chance to fly it. Still regret it. Here’s to hoping they bring it back!
Took the mhh-lax flight 31 times before they left the market and it is such a joy and a thrill with the approach being directly over the Eastern sierras and made for very beautiful photos
The cemair flight from Joburg To Luanda is now served by the crj900
The Dash 8-400 is an excellent plane to fly! It has lots of power and has very responsive controls. Jazz Aviation/Air Canada Express does one of the shortest flights in a 400, Vancouver to Victoria. The flight can be airborne for as little as 15 minutes or less.
I'm surprised it's not one of the most common flights. AC/QK had up to 16x daily a couple of years back.
I've taken this one frequently, one of the most scenic flights I've been on if you catch it on a clear day
I flew a Dash 8 from DCA to Westchester County outside NYC on US Airways back in the day. I was really surprised at the amount of legroom. It was very comfortable for the hour or so ride.
flown many times with dashes 300&400 on routes in Siberia and Far East with Yakutia and Aurora airlines, wonderful plane
From a passengers point of view the Dash 8 will always give outstanding ride comfort and interior amenities. Flying in a Dash 8 is more like riding in a large airliner. I have flown in them many times in New Zealand and quite often its easy to forget that you are in a small regional plane. They are also a very capable machine from a performance point of view too. I have also had the pleasure of spending a few years working on them as a mechanic in Perth.
A very pleasant flying experience.
used to fly on them quite regularly between Southampton and Manchester with one flight being Southampton to Glasgow (my longest route on this plane) and another from Southampton to Newcastle
My first flight in a Q400 was a fam flight. I flew jump seat from CYVR-CYXT-CYVR, then did CYVR-CYYJ-CYVR, all in one day. I've been to quite a few places around Canada since then. I like dispatching Boeings, much better.
Flown more than 30 times to small cities in Norway with Widerøe Dash Q400-200 and 100, great aircraft that really let you feel how beautiful flying can be.
Brisbane - Rockhampton in Australia. My woman used the sick bag. Then by boat to Great Keppel Island. Mild to rough waters!. Cheers 🥃
When I lived in Buffalo, NY always preferred the Q400 if I couldn’t get a seat in an A320 operated by JetBlue. Way way better flight experience for 6’+ tall people than the typical CRJ-200 service most other regionals offered. Now I live in Scottsdale, AZ and think the smallest thing I travel on is a E-175. The Dash 8-200 (with US Airways I think?) was also fun because you could have a window and aisle seat and would always board without a jetway but the flight experience on the 400 from recollection was vastly superior.
Canada’s Porter Airlines flies the Q400, with their home base at Billy Bishop Airport, located on the island in-front of Toronto’s CN Tower. Because of the runway length limitations, the planes have 2 fewer rows of seats than the maximum possible for the Q400. . . which means that long-legged people like me (6’3”) can fly in comfort with the 34” seat pitch. The plane is very fast for a TurboProp, but even if it’s not as fast as a pure jet, I’d sooner spend an extra hour on it than on a Budget A320, with my knees up around my eardrums 😉
I was in a Dash 8-400 from Guernsey to Southampton (then onward the same day to Amsterdam Schipol in Dash 8-400) in the middle of Storm Ciara (Feb 2020).
These things fly through anything and feel oddly strong while being buffeted about by the conditions. That day was horrendous for flying. We were the only flight to leave Guernsey and one of the only ones to leave Southampton. Gsy-Soton leg was much more turbulent although it still wasn't a day for the drinks service on either flight!
From Bangladesh,in domestic service in here I used to travel by DASH.8.400,so far feel comfort plus secured
I have flown with the Dash-8 400 from Toronto Island via Ottawa and Halifax to St. John's, Newfoundland. The entire route took 6 hours. While the crew on Porter Airlines was first rate, I would not recommend such a seat configuration for such a long flight, as it was very cramped. A lot does depend on the chosen seat configuration.
Flown in Dash-8 planes more times than I can count. It’s one of the most reliable turboprop planes in the world
Loud noise and slower speed is what prevents longer routes for turboprops
The Q400 is remarkably smooth. Its more comfortable to fly on than most jets
ID take a 400 over a ATR anytime
There is a Dash 8 Operator out of Perth, Western Australia, that does Perth - Geraldton - Karratha - Broome (1204 mi) and Perth - Alice Springs (1230 mi).
Nice video. There are some routes missing. Air Iceland flew scheduled flights from Keflavik Iceland to Aberdeen Scotland and Belfast N Ireland from 2016-2019. Route sector Kef-Abz 750 nm and Kef- Bhd 770 nm. 72 seat configuration and no problem with fully loaded airplane.
My longest Dash 8 flight was not too far, only YYC to YYJ. It was the final leg in a trip that went BHD->LHR->YYC->YYJ. The Dash 8 flight I'm very familiar with is the 20 minute hop between YYJ and YVR.
My last flight on this plane was also Flybe's last last ride with that plane. Amsterdam to Exeter the day before it went belly up.
Great plane. Comfortable and fast.
Love the dash
Next wednesday im going to be able to tell my expriences :D
Metric measurements would be appreciated 👍🏻
Get an app and convert it yourself, that’s what pilots do everyday- except they don’t use an app.
I flew in the cockpit of a Flybe Dash 8-400, it's an amazing aircraft, so fast, agile and rugged. Compared to the likes of the Embraer or an Airbus A320.
You should definitely check Luxair !
They probably are in the top 10 longest route ! They deploy the aircraft on all their destinations!
I flew on
The type with Ethiopian smooth flight I had
Im SEA based, and enjoy a Q-400 flight every now and then with Alaska/Horizon. I paricularly like how quickly i can depart the aircraft upon arrival. I prefer them to regional jets on shorter flights. I've also flown on Q400s of airBaltic and euroLOT.
i was on a series 400 from BIL-SEA ABOUT 665 MILES STILL OPERATING
In India Spicejet flies Dash 8 between Bangalore and Gwalior. Flight of 1600 kms takes 3 hrs
I’ve had to fly quite a few times between Melbourne in southern Australia to Rockhampton which is in the middle of the northern state of Queensland. Typically the flight involves a jet service between Melbourne and Brisbane and a Dash 8 service for the second leg. Though in flight entertainment is non-existent for the Brisbane-Rockhampton portion of the journey, paradoxically there’s more leg room on the QantasLink Dash 8 compared to a regular Qantas B737.
I use to fly the ATR, and I have done once Algiers to Tamnarest straight almost 1000miles
Love this aircraft
I love the Dash 8's but not too many options for me to fly on prop jobs these days, but maybe I'll relocate upon retirement and find myself in turboprop country again!
Flew on one of these once, it was like being on a skateboard with wings...
Only time I was on a Dash 8 was on December last year flying 500 mile route from Ballina to Sydney Australia but the captain called in sick and we got canceled and were put in to a Boeing 737-800.
The most common long Q400 flight I typically see is my home town of Moncton (CYQM) to Toronto (CYYZ) at 652 nm.
I ve been in a flight from Luxembourg to Tenerifa. All the Luxair 737 were in air.
I flew on the q400 back in 2016 when I went to Southampton.
The aircraft I have flown the most times this year
Jambojet??
@@amirsalim779 yes Jambojet, Fly 748 Air.
Flew the q from Medford Oregon to sea-tac intl. Very good flight. Alaska airlines does good work.
Dozens of Walla Walla to SEATTLE on Horizon/Alaska. They fly Portland to Billings. 590nm.
and they can do barrel rolls
My experience on a dash 8 was the scariest I I have ever been, not sure but I think it was a 200 but coming from Portland to LAX I had a layover in Reno where we switched from a 737 to the dash 8 and the turbulence was so bad, I couldn't wait to get off.....it was Alaska airlines
Being on a turboprop aircraft is like having a metal bin on your head and someone hitting it with a hammer so the less time you spend on one the better.
Horizon air used to fly them all over the west as far south as San Diego. Now I believe they only go to Reno and Sacramento.
I've been on 2 dash 8 q400 flights Santa rosa to Los angeles, and to Seattle. I honestly like these dash 8 planes especally the q400 since I'm trying to make a lego version of Alaska airlines.
Chennai-Colombo, Bengaluru-Hyderabad, only one airline has this type in here.
A wonderful airplane. Quiet, comfortable, and far superior to any of those awful regional jets
I've only flown in the Dash 8, and I thought it was noisy. It now dawns on me that I may not know what actual noise is.
You forgot Anchorage to Seattle in 2014-2018. I disliked how loud it was and I am a large guy nearly didn’t fit in horizon seat.
Wideroe flew an Q400 from Evenes (ENEV) to Munich (EDDM) as 240km for a few years ago
Clutching for content here
My favourite passenger airplane
(turbo)Props to the Dash 8 Q400.
I don't know if I would want to fly 3 hours in a Dash 8 400.
As a Norwegian I expected Norway was on this list with Widerøe. Apparantly I was wrong.
It's probably because few people outside Scandinavia can pronounce Widerøe properly 🤣🤣🤣. I've flown with them several times. That is one company who knows how to fly in rough conditions and still land in one safely. 😊
Canadian engineered and built for great service and reliability. like the A220 as well, you can depend on Canadian products.
Air Canada operates this plane between Vancouver BC and Regina Saskatchewan on occasion
WAW - RIX flying with LOT Polska is my only experience...
Novel, but very loud when compared to A319, B737, CRJ900 and E190...
normal its a turboprop not a jet
I've flown many times on olympic air's q400 and they are amazing! Sadly they will retire them by April 2022 and replace them with atr72-600s.
Qantas does 14 flights in a 24hr period between Moranbah and Brisbane QLD at 485 miles each way
Air Tanzania Has 4 of These Air crafts and has ordered one more.
I think it is a very nice aircraft. It is of course louder, than most jetaircraft, but that doesn't matter to me... also it is the only Turboprop I have ever been on yet 😂
I think that Porter can fly from Toronto City easy nonstop flights to Havana Cuba or even Nassau thats are less than 1500 miles
Newark to Halifax… 840 miles.
YBCS to AYTK. Roughly 850 NM
1.5ish from YCD to YYC and vise versa. Wish they would put Wi-Fi on them.
Flew from Mombasa to Goma via Nairobi is not a long route but felt rather too long
Ah yes, the dash dash 8 dash 400
Well there goes the youtube pole
Q400 Is not Made in Dehavilland before 2019 it was made in Bombardier Canada.
I wish I could fly the dash 8, too bad Flybe collapsed
I really want to fly this airplane, but only LOT and Sprint air operate flights from my home airport. LOT is too expensive ans I can't find where to buy Sprint air tickets
Too bad Alaska retired all their Q400s. The E175 is just not the same
Love these videos but Christ it bugs me how you pronounce Canberra 🤣😬
Flown YYZ YOW probably 50 times.
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The Dash 8 family is far superior to those wretched ATRs. Dash 8s have been operating since the early 1980s. Possibly longer than the Fokker 50 which has come and gone.
The Q400 competes well in terms of speed and efficiency with regional jets including ERJs and CRJs etc. They are smooth to fly in, very safe* and extremely versatile in terms meteorological extremes and variations, while their impressive STOL capabilities open up a large number of operations into short runway airfields.
The longest flight I’ve been on is just under two hours and that is certainly long enough for any aircraft in that class, all regional turboprops have slimline very basic seats.
It is a pity this video did not state the flying times on these longer sectors. They did not seem all that impressive. It was a poorly produced presentation.
* there have been issues concerning the main landing gear with Dash 8s over the years with gear collapse on landing or being manually extended after hydraulic extension failed. These have not been the catalyst for any hull losses or passenger fatalities though. I believe that is well since resolved now.
Make a vid about fokker ;)