I flew on an extremely long ferry flight on a shorts SD 360. We went....... Nashville, West Virginia, goosebay Canada, nasaseraq Greenland, Iceland, Belfast, Corsica, Crete, Luxor, Muscat Oman, Bombay, Calcutta, Bangkok, Kota Kinabalu Malaysia, Palau, Philippines, Saipan Micronesia. Took ten days, including a three day stop in Palau. Unpressurized, so mostly at or below ten thousand feet! Quite an experience.
@@sapede Yep, it is a much shorter flight, if you go west. It would be Nashville, Dallas, San Francisco, Hawaii, Saipan. But the shorts could not make California to Hawaii, even with ferry tanks. So we had to go the long way.
I think back to some of my C130 routes which were not quite as bad but RAF Lyneham which was 80 miles west of London UK to anywhere on the US/Canadian west coast was a 3 day trip. Lyneham to Gander or Goose or St Johns day 1, next stop Minneapolis then day 3 to draw a line from Calgary to San Diego, happy happy days.
I used to work at ATR delivery center in Toulouse. We delivered to air Vanuatu a company in the pacific. The whole ferry flight was planned to take 13 days with 9 stops. Those deliveries were really important because the flight schedule is tight and we really had to deliver on time
I thought planes were delivered on ships, but I watched a Ferry Flight docudrama that explained that many propeller planes had to fly around the world, and make 12 stops. :)
I remember seeing an article on people who fly single-prop planes (Cessna like planes) across the Atlantic to buyers on either side. They have to go super low, obviously it's very risky and weather dependent
I’ve watched a pilot’s UA-cam channel who flew a Cessna from the us to Europe taking a route through Canada - Greenland - Iceland.. must be quite an adventure.
When I worked in French Guyana, a company specialized in photogrammetry bought a second-hand Cessna 206, optimized for this kind of mission in Denmark. The ferry flight took two weeks and 17 steps via Iceland, Greenland, Canada, USA and Antilles. The pilot, a Danish, did it with his 16/17yo daughter. They spent only few hours in French Guyana, taking the first flight to Paris aboard an Air France A340.
@@hugolafhugolaf Most are unpressurised, so don't tend to fly above 10-14,000 ft (just so the pilots/passengers don't pass out from hypoxia, or lack of oxygen). Don't know why they'd fly 'super low' (or what that means in the context of OPs comment; it may be relative to commercial jets, which fly at 30-40,000ft) but it could be that props are optimised for flying lower and at lower speeds than turbofans (jets). There'd also be different weather conditions to consider at diff alts, so that may also be a factor.
When I was worked in French Guyana, my company shared its office with another one specialized in aerial photogrammetry. This company bought a new aircraft, a Cessna 206 in Denmark. The previous one was lost during a landing in a remote airfield in Guyana. The small aircraft did a long ferry flight in 17 steps : Denmark, Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, Canada, USA and Antilles.
Just for those who don't know, turboprops are actually pretty fuel efficient, they are just better operating at lower altitudes and lower speeds, and thus are relegated to shorter flying distances. I know it's true because I read it on the internet.
yes and no. The engine produces thrust using a propeller so most turboprops can only get to around 25,000ft. This is because a propeller has to have a minimum density of air to "grab" onto.
Fuel efficiency first got important for range and then for the economy and then for environment . If something on fossil fuel has a short range at optimum cruise speed, it is not efficient. All planes fill their wings with fuel. Some cheap cars have a tiny tank.
what a conincidence, the aircraft from my company (Pilatus Porter) was delivered from Swiss to Indonesia not long ago, and had to make sseveral stops in europe, middle east, south asia and finally landing in Indonesia not too long ago. took about more than week for the trip
Ferry flights being possible to most places in the world is one of the things 'gifted' to us by the legacy of aviation's development where before we did not really have the capability of doing long flights without hops and so many airports in fairly inhospitable places were opened with fuel to facilitate these hops and a reasonable number of them still remain today, which is pretty cool
I was doing an IT project for British Airways at their maintenance base at Heathrow. From time to time, you would see aircraft from other carriers. Anyway, one day an Aeromexico Boeing 737 turned up and I asked the engineer how it got there and he said (logically when you think about it) "The same way all other 737's make it to Europe". Apparently, it had flown from Mexico across the US, refuelled and then did the run to somewhere like Shannon before finally the short hop to Heathrow. Never found out why it was in the UK.
I remember Air Caledonie had one of their ATR 72-600s stopover in my local general aviation airport on its delivery flight from France. One of just 8 stops the aircraft made. What about crew? Are there two crews used to deliver such turboprops?
There is usually just one crew flying the plane, resting along the way in hotels. The crew is being flown in/out of the origin/destination airport on normal airline flights.
Found this from Air Tahiti : ua-cam.com/video/nO5Z_lhgyvQ/v-deo.html but it's kinda lame. I remember a much more comprehensive documentary from RFO (local TV) but I couldn't find any trace of it unfortunately.
Air New Zealand have said a delivery flight of an ATR72 will travel by way of seven countries on route to New Zealand. It must be noted also that Air New Zealand have one of the largest fleets of DH Dash 8 aircraft outside of Canada
@@Nathan-zi3bl Nice. Does he allow you to fly it? If so, maybe you can fly to your favorite city. Also, what is the climb rate, and top speed? Does it have modern avionics? I don't own or fly any airplanes, but aviation technology is fascinating stuff.
Ferry flights were done in the second world war to deliver north american built bombers to their bases in britain. As most male military pilots were needed to fly missions, ferry flights often used female pilots.
I thank the UA-cam algorithm for recommending a video to me that I find so interesting because turboprop are my favourite types of planes and have a documentary video about them is amazing You also gained a new subscriber
When I was working at LET, we would fit a large fuel tank into the cabin of the L-410, which the airline would ship back to us after the delivery. In the more recent years, a lot of Russian customers requested delivering the aircraft on a truck, so we covered it in foil and packed it on it.
My gran used to fly from UK on BOAC early 70s was about 4 to 5 days not bad for an elderly woman her last flight she 91 that was to New Zealand nearly forgot to mention that cheers👌
Fun fact: the single engine Air Tractor AT-802 needs to be ferry flown for delivery, including ferrying across the Pacific Ocean from Texas to Australia. To accomplish this, the approx 3,000 litre hopper is also filled with fuel to extend the aircraft's range.
As a £10 immigrant to South Africa in 1966 from the Uk the route was from Southend to Ostend change aircraft to Basel . At Basel we kept seeing lovely jets come in however we were put on a Swissair DC6 stopping at Tripoli , Chad . Belgian Congo , Angola finally landing at Jan Smutts 36hours later. We came back a year later via sea on the SA Oranga far more comfortable . Flew back on a 707 stopping in Canary Islands for avcat. Tell that to kids today they won’t believe it.
“Dash 8” is a bit generic. The -100, -300 and especially -400 have different maximum ranges. The -400 with long-range cruise could reach Central Europe from Downsview with 2 stops, skipping Greenland, while the smaller ones would need a Greenland stop. We had some 300s that crossed the Atlantic 4 times within less than a year for a combination of change of proprietor and tax reasons.
Recently Olympic Airlines - (OA), part of the Aegean Airlines (A3) group - leased ATR-72s & ATR-42s from Virgin Australia to replace Q400s on its fleet. Took a 3 days ferry flight to come in Greece
REX airlines here in Australia operates the largest fleet of SAAB 340's in the world. I wonder what THAT ferry flight looked like? (I say "looked" because i think they all came out some time ago!)
Some years ago i was about to take off in a C182 from Toluca, Mexico and i was surprised to look a Qantas Dash8 psrked on the ramp wondering if it was on the way from Canada to Australia to be delivered via to south america the across south pacific...
As an example, Fokker 50 VH-FNI was delivered to Australia in March, after flying from Amsterdam via Athens, Cairo, Bahrain, Karachi, Calcutta, Bangkok, Seletar, Denpasar, Darwin, Alice Springs and Melbourne. Interesting trip.
@@TheHsan22 Well Done! The full record reads: Built in February 1988, the one below was delivered to Australia in March, after flying from Amsterdam via Athens, Cairo, Bahrain, Karachi, Calcutta, Bangkok, Seletar, Denpasar, Darwin, Alice Springs and Melbourne. SkyWest (Australia) was the third owner of this plane, and SkyWest has been acquired by Virgin Airlines. It looks nice, climbing out from Perth on Christmas Eve, 2015. (Sorry, can't attach the pic.)
Turbo props with their 20k+ flight levels are easy compared to piston engines flying at 3k to 7k feet without radar or good meteorology that got ugly often with the addition of radial piston engines often breaking.
Random idea: Alternate history in which efficient long-range jets were never developed, so commercial trans-oceanic air travel depends on civilian aircraft carriers for mid-ocean refueling.
Cool idea but if long range jets were never developed than we would probably see short ranged jet power flying boat that us small flying boat bases built on island to cross oceans and there would probably still be a large market for ocean liners.
@@allangibson2408 And even in 1965 when I had the pleasure to cross the North Atlantic for the first time in a then fairly new Jet aircraft operated by KLM we flew from Amsterdam to Shannon, on to Gander and then New York. If that was dictated by fuel range, navigation or radio range or passenger demand I don‘t know. Or maybe it was just the old „oil-trace“ that the former prop-airplanes had to follow.
@@berndheiden7630 The early jets were even more range limited than the propeller aircraft. It was high bypass turbofans that made one stop transatlantic flights possible (but they still routed over these airports as emergencies were not unknown). Piston engine airliners were know to lose engines regularly on transatlantic routes (literally - they fell off the planes on about 10% of the transatlantic flights).
@@allangibson2408 Thanks for the info! I was 17 y/o and the 3rd time out of my native Germany (after one weekend trip to te Netherlands and another to London!). This opened the door to the big wide world for me.
Amazingly, the 1st non-stop transatlantic flight took place in 1919 in a twin engine WWI bomber. So even in the first world war some aircraft had more range than modern turboprops.
jet stream answers my question on why my flights back to visit family takes 2 and a half hours and the flight back home only takes 2 hours it might also explain why there is more turbulence flying west
About a few months ago someone posted a guy flying a small Cessna from the mainland to Hawaii with the possibilities of additional tanks of both fuel and whiskey.. 😂
7:38 flying INTO HEADWIND increases range? i would have thought once at altitude you'd want a tailwind? i'm not in anyway educated about flying by the way.. i know that tking off and and landing is into headwind. but my brain can't figure out how that would increase range at altitude. thanks for any explanations. :)
Transpacific flights to Australia? I assume the Dash 8s of QF came via Hawaii and possibly other Pacific islands. A friend once ferried a light twin from the US via this way.
If you look at that Fiji delivery they did in the video one of the stops is Australia and they did it by flying the long way around, Europe to the Middle East onto South Asia.
Does the airline send a team of pilots to collect the aircraft from the manufacturer or does the plane get delivered by Boeing/Airbus/ATR/DHC pilots? Or some third party "contractor"?
@@sierragutenberg so probably all three ;-) Not sure if manufacturers actually employ their own ferry crews or rather treat this as an outsourced contractor business.
it would probably go something like this. america > greenland, Greenland > ice land, ice land > Europe, Europe > Turkey, Turkey > UAE, then to India, once in India its pretty self explanatory, India > asia > Indonesia > austrlia
Toulouse, Luxor, Muscat, Colombo, Singapore, Darwin, Brisbane, Christchurch Went there and back with my old man when Air New Zealand swapped out for newer models of ATR-72 3 week trip
I assumed this video are not for the reasonably well informed pilots, those who have heard of companies like Turtle Pak (Au) rubber fuel cells. What are you talking about adding extra tanks will be challenging and require modification??!! On a larger turbo prop, no passengers remember, the modification consist of removing enough seats at the C of G and strap a fuel cell there, and add the necessary fuel pumps and lines. It is only challenging if your mechanic is drunk. On a ferry flight, with a ferry permit, the FAA allow the airplane to be loaded up to 50% over the regular gross weight, runway allow. The Atlantic is now a joke to cross, if you island hop, some of the longer range planes will not even need extra gas. The sole challenge remain the Pacific, but in the 70s they used to deliver planes like the Mooney M20 and 172s etc to Australia, The longest leg can be over 14 hours to Hawaii. It only stopped because of the non availability of av gas They did not even have GPS then, but we have it now, and I can tell where eg Howland Island is to within 10 ft. instead of guessing like Earhart had to do.
Nader Nowzadi but most unless it’s like the Boeing 707 inside the engine cage has a turbo prop inside of there. But yes many times on most in use commercial airliners that are turbos are jets. They have jet engines on them
Yep. The safest way to deliver a plane is by ship, IMO. No dealing with flying airplanes to their maximum range, with engines running on fumes. :) Lol...
I flew on an extremely long ferry flight on a shorts SD 360. We went....... Nashville, West Virginia, goosebay Canada, nasaseraq Greenland, Iceland, Belfast, Corsica, Crete, Luxor, Muscat Oman, Bombay, Calcutta, Bangkok, Kota Kinabalu Malaysia, Palau, Philippines, Saipan Micronesia. Took ten days, including a three day stop in Palau. Unpressurized, so mostly at or below ten thousand feet! Quite an experience.
Yet a Short Flight
@@sapede Yep, it is a much shorter flight, if you go west. It would be Nashville, Dallas, San Francisco, Hawaii, Saipan. But the shorts could not make California to Hawaii, even with ferry tanks. So we had to go the long way.
I think back to some of my C130 routes which were not quite as bad but RAF Lyneham which was 80 miles west of London UK to anywhere on the US/Canadian west coast was a 3 day trip. Lyneham to Gander or Goose or St Johns day 1, next stop Minneapolis then day 3 to draw a line from Calgary to San Diego, happy happy days.
@@Astroman1958 Pun-Pun Thought the plane was called 'Short 360'. :P
@@sapede Sorry I failed to pick up on your pun 👍
I used to work at ATR delivery center in Toulouse.
We delivered to air Vanuatu a company in the pacific. The whole ferry flight was planned to take 13 days with 9 stops.
Those deliveries were really important because the flight schedule is tight and we really had to deliver on time
Very interesting. Thank you for this information.
I would almost volunteer my holidays for a seat on one of those flights.
I thought planes were delivered on ships, but I watched a Ferry Flight docudrama that explained that many propeller planes had to fly around the world, and make 12 stops. :)
@@alunesh12345 Does spamming enough all over comment threads get YOU to heaven??? If so I don't bloody wanna go there.
wow. that is a long delivery time
I remember seeing an article on people who fly single-prop planes (Cessna like planes) across the Atlantic to buyers on either side. They have to go super low, obviously it's very risky and weather dependent
I’ve watched a pilot’s UA-cam channel who flew a Cessna from the us to Europe taking a route through Canada - Greenland - Iceland.. must be quite an adventure.
When I worked in French Guyana, a company specialized in photogrammetry bought a second-hand Cessna 206, optimized for this kind of mission in Denmark. The ferry flight took two weeks and 17 steps via Iceland, Greenland, Canada, USA and Antilles. The pilot, a Danish, did it with his 16/17yo daughter. They spent only few hours in French Guyana, taking the first flight to Paris aboard an Air France A340.
@@nicolas2419 it's crazy to think back in the day commercial flights would take days with many stops
Why do they have to fly low?
@@hugolafhugolaf Most are unpressurised, so don't tend to fly above 10-14,000 ft (just so the pilots/passengers don't pass out from hypoxia, or lack of oxygen). Don't know why they'd fly 'super low' (or what that means in the context of OPs comment; it may be relative to commercial jets, which fly at 30-40,000ft) but it could be that props are optimised for flying lower and at lower speeds than turbofans (jets). There'd also be different weather conditions to consider at diff alts, so that may also be a factor.
When I was worked in French Guyana, my company shared its office with another one specialized in aerial photogrammetry. This company bought a new aircraft, a Cessna 206 in Denmark. The previous one was lost during a landing in a remote airfield in Guyana. The small aircraft did a long ferry flight in 17 steps : Denmark, Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, Canada, USA and Antilles.
Just for those who don't know, turboprops are actually pretty fuel efficient, they are just better operating at lower altitudes and lower speeds, and thus are relegated to shorter flying distances.
I know it's true because I read it on the internet.
yes and no. The engine produces thrust using a propeller so most turboprops can only get to around 25,000ft. This is because a propeller has to have a minimum density of air to "grab" onto.
@@alexhinterreiter129 oh wow.... thanks for reinterpreting the point I made.
@@alunesh12345 no
Fuel efficiency first got important for range and then for the economy and then for environment . If something on fossil fuel has a short range at optimum cruise speed, it is not efficient. All planes fill their wings with fuel. Some cheap cars have a tiny tank.
Thanks for covering this.... Quite an important topic
Not really
what a conincidence, the aircraft from my company (Pilatus Porter) was delivered from Swiss to Indonesia not long ago, and had to make sseveral stops in europe, middle east, south asia and finally landing in Indonesia not too long ago. took about more than week for the trip
Cheers from a fellow Pilatus employee.
Ferry flights being possible to most places in the world is one of the things 'gifted' to us by the legacy of aviation's development where before we did not really have the capability of doing long flights without hops and so many airports in fairly inhospitable places were opened with fuel to facilitate these hops and a reasonable number of them still remain today, which is pretty cool
I was doing an IT project for British Airways at their maintenance base at Heathrow. From time to time, you would see aircraft from other carriers. Anyway, one day an Aeromexico Boeing 737 turned up and I asked the engineer how it got there and he said (logically when you think about it) "The same way all other 737's make it to Europe". Apparently, it had flown from Mexico across the US, refuelled and then did the run to somewhere like Shannon before finally the short hop to Heathrow. Never found out why it was in the UK.
Not sure when this was but newer model 737's are capable of going direct from Mexico City to Heathrow when ferrying.
I once saw an Aerolineas Argentinas 737 at my home airport Nagpur, central india. Till this date i don’t have a clue what it was doing here
@@vivpro1951 maybe Aerolineas Argentinas sold it and it was resprayed?
@@janvanbunningen6468 thats a possibility
Q. How Do Turboprops Get Delivered To Far Away Customers?
A. They stop to re-fuel.
thanks for coming to my ted talk.
great, straight to the point
or the cargo ones that can be mid air refuelled can just get a tanker plane
This has always been a big question of mine. Thanks for this.
I remember Air Caledonie had one of their ATR 72-600s stopover in my local general aviation airport on its delivery flight from France. One of just 8 stops the aircraft made. What about crew? Are there two crews used to deliver such turboprops?
There is usually just one crew flying the plane, resting along the way in hotels. The crew is being flown in/out of the origin/destination airport on normal airline flights.
This channel being called ‘long haul’ makes it so much better
"The crew even made a short video about it" And then they don't even put a link to said video.
@ me if you find that video
@@sidv4615 ua-cam.com/video/nO5Z_lhgyvQ/v-deo.html
@@Sky-uc5zh Thank you so much!
Me also looking for that video
Found this from Air Tahiti : ua-cam.com/video/nO5Z_lhgyvQ/v-deo.html but it's kinda lame. I remember a much more comprehensive documentary from RFO (local TV) but I couldn't find any trace of it unfortunately.
Air New Zealand have said a delivery flight of an ATR72 will travel by way of seven countries on route to New Zealand. It must be noted also that Air New Zealand have one of the largest fleets of DH Dash 8 aircraft outside of Canada
Those dash 8 were ferried across the pacific, using fuel tanks in fuselage
I’ve got a fondness for the Dash 8. Love them! :)
My dad flew his bonanza from Paris to Melbourne which took 2 weeks
Was it the 1940s-1970s V-tail model?
@@thatguyalex2835 nope it’s a Beechcraft bonanza a36 registered F-GAPZ
@@Nathan-zi3bl So, a normal tail. Cool. :) Does he still own the Bonanza?
@@thatguyalex2835 yes normal tail and he still owns it
@@Nathan-zi3bl Nice. Does he allow you to fly it? If so, maybe you can fly to your favorite city. Also, what is the climb rate, and top speed? Does it have modern avionics? I don't own or fly any airplanes, but aviation technology is fascinating stuff.
Ferry flights were done in the second world war to deliver north american built bombers to their bases in britain. As most male military pilots were needed to fly missions, ferry flights often used female pilots.
I was always curious how an ATR ended up in Bora Bora
Thank you so much for making this video! I actually didn't properly know this until today, learnt something new today! 😊
The ferry flights sound epic.
I started thinking of this when I was playing airline manager 4
Interesting. I always assumed it was delivered via Amazon Prime.
Actually you are correct for deliveries in south america but once you start going further that option is no longer available . . .
WORKING AS A TRUCK. DELIVERY DRIVE AWAY DRIVER, I FIND THIS QUITE INTERESTING!!
Wow...one ATR72 made history for ULH...man that's unbelievable! I wonder if that's the longest ATR flight in the world
Kudos to the crews flying these ferry flights, as it is quite challenging to plan and execute one
I was wondering this, and now i know.
U have a new subscriber
I thank the UA-cam algorithm for recommending a video to me that I find so interesting because turboprop are my favourite types of planes and have a documentary video about them is amazing
You also gained a new subscriber
Ack! 11:02 Papeete is *not* 'Papeet', it's roughly 'Papay-eytay' (every 'e' sounded separately)
When I was working at LET, we would fit a large fuel tank into the cabin of the L-410, which the airline would ship back to us after the delivery. In the more recent years, a lot of Russian customers requested delivering the aircraft on a truck, so we covered it in foil and packed it on it.
My gran used to fly from UK on BOAC early 70s was about 4 to 5 days not bad for an elderly woman her last flight she 91 that was to New Zealand nearly forgot to mention that cheers👌
Fun fact: the single engine Air Tractor AT-802 needs to be ferry flown for delivery, including ferrying across the Pacific Ocean from Texas to Australia. To accomplish this, the approx 3,000 litre hopper is also filled with fuel to extend the aircraft's range.
As a £10 immigrant to South Africa in 1966 from the Uk the route was from Southend to Ostend change aircraft to Basel . At Basel we kept seeing lovely jets come in however we were put on a Swissair DC6 stopping at Tripoli , Chad . Belgian Congo , Angola finally landing at Jan Smutts 36hours later. We came back a year later via sea on the SA Oranga far more comfortable . Flew back on a 707 stopping in Canary Islands for avcat. Tell that to kids today they won’t believe it.
As a Malaysian I am proud to see Fireflyz featured there.
Nice to see Manchester get mentioned
Didn't you already make a video of this on simply flying, apart from that, thanks for taking the time to tlak about turboprops
“Dash 8” is a bit generic. The -100, -300 and especially -400 have different maximum ranges. The -400 with long-range cruise could reach Central Europe from Downsview with 2 stops, skipping Greenland, while the smaller ones would need a Greenland stop. We had some 300s that crossed the Atlantic 4 times within less than a year for a combination of change of proprietor and tax reasons.
The Dash-8 is the only turboprop I’ve flown in, usually with Air Canada Express/Jazz Air
Please make also about SAAB 340.
pretty sure the stopping to refuel applies
very interesing !!!. Thanks.
*Do new Turboprop planes still get designed and built with improvements?*
I delivered 2 dash 8s to Bangladesh. Stopped in Abu Dhabi and India, not Oman, like manufacturers
7:24 - One mistake , they stop at Subang Airport (WMSA) and not KLIA main (WMKK)
Maldivian also uses dash-8-300/200s and atr 72/42-600s
Recently Olympic Airlines - (OA), part of the Aegean Airlines (A3) group - leased ATR-72s & ATR-42s from Virgin Australia to replace Q400s on its fleet. Took a 3 days ferry flight to come in Greece
Where can I find that video about haul from LFBO to NTAA?
The L-188 Lockheed Electra was the best Turbopropliner ever to come along.
REX airlines here in Australia operates the largest fleet of SAAB 340's in the world. I wonder what THAT ferry flight looked like? (I say "looked" because i think they all came out some time ago!)
Some years ago i was about to take off in a C182 from Toluca, Mexico and i was surprised to look a Qantas Dash8 psrked on the ramp wondering if it was on the way from Canada to Australia to be delivered via to south america the across south pacific...
As an example, Fokker 50 VH-FNI was delivered to Australia in March, after
flying from Amsterdam via Athens, Cairo, Bahrain, Karachi, Calcutta, Bangkok, Seletar, Denpasar, Darwin, Alice Springs and Melbourne. Interesting trip.
I’m guessing that was c1988
@@TheHsan22 Well Done! The full record reads:
Built in February 1988, the one below was delivered to Australia in March, after flying from Amsterdam via Athens, Cairo, Bahrain, Karachi, Calcutta, Bangkok, Seletar, Denpasar, Darwin, Alice Springs and Melbourne.
SkyWest (Australia) was the third owner of this plane, and SkyWest has been acquired by Virgin Airlines.
It looks nice, climbing out from Perth on Christmas Eve, 2015.
(Sorry, can't attach the pic.)
An in-law of mine ferried some F-27s back in the day
Depends on if it’s easier to add more tanks or to remove the wings for shipping
Turbo props with their 20k+ flight levels are easy compared to piston engines flying at 3k to 7k feet without radar or good meteorology that got ugly often with the addition of radial piston engines often breaking.
Could you touch more on liat and it's history?
Random idea: Alternate history in which efficient long-range jets were never developed, so commercial trans-oceanic air travel depends on civilian aircraft carriers for mid-ocean refueling.
Cool idea but if long range jets were never developed than we would probably see short ranged jet power flying boat that us small flying boat bases built on island to cross oceans and there would probably still be a large market for ocean liners.
Transatlantic propeller operators used to fly via Gander and Iceland for this very reason.
@@allangibson2408 And even in 1965 when I had the pleasure to cross the North Atlantic for the first time in a then fairly new Jet aircraft operated by KLM we flew from Amsterdam to Shannon, on to Gander and then New York. If that was dictated by fuel range, navigation or radio range or passenger demand I don‘t know. Or maybe it was just the old „oil-trace“ that the former prop-airplanes had to follow.
@@berndheiden7630 The early jets were even more range limited than the propeller aircraft. It was high bypass turbofans that made one stop transatlantic flights possible (but they still routed over these airports as emergencies were not unknown).
Piston engine airliners were know to lose engines regularly on transatlantic routes (literally - they fell off the planes on about 10% of the transatlantic flights).
@@allangibson2408 Thanks for the info! I was 17 y/o and the 3rd time out of my native Germany (after one weekend trip to te Netherlands and another to London!). This opened the door to the big wide world for me.
Amazingly, the 1st non-stop transatlantic flight took place in 1919 in a twin engine WWI bomber. So even in the first world war some aircraft had more range than modern turboprops.
jet stream answers my question on why my flights back to visit family takes 2 and a half hours and the flight back home only takes 2 hours it might also explain why there is more turbulence flying west
About a few months ago someone posted a guy flying a small Cessna from the mainland to Hawaii with the possibilities of additional tanks of both fuel and whiskey.. 😂
7:38 flying INTO HEADWIND increases range? i would have thought once at altitude you'd want a tailwind? i'm not in anyway educated about flying by the way.. i know that tking off and and landing is into headwind. but my brain can't figure out how that would increase range at altitude. thanks for any explanations. :)
I think he said the range would be DEcreased into a headwind (not 'increased'). You mis-heard him. The rest of your comment is correct.
Transpacific flights to Australia? I assume the Dash 8s of QF came via Hawaii and possibly other Pacific islands. A friend once ferried a light twin from the US via this way.
If you look at that Fiji delivery they did in the video one of the stops is Australia and they did it by flying the long way around, Europe to the Middle East onto South Asia.
Or they came via the Atlantic route over Asia. Whole lotta Ocean between Hawaii and anything else.
Hmm, so that’s how Firefly 2:57 and Malindo in Malaysia has these ATRs in Subang Airport
i like the arkia ATR72 :)
ATR 72...They TAS at roughly 260kts burning around 700kgs/hr and have 5000kgs of fuel = roughly 1800nm (so nearer the 2000nn not 700nm figures given).
What about reserve fuel required on commercial flights? And, non-optimal speed/altitude, and climb out file rate...
Sky Express ATR 600 flew from Athens to Dublin about 1700 miles
Fabulous Video!! Thank you so much!!
I like the dash 8
Ahh the Liat ATR-72-600
How are extra fuel tanks in the cabin connected to the normal fuel tanks and piping to extend the flight?
There is usually an internal connector behind a panel.
8:00 I didn't know Etihad had turboprops.
Seeing a dash 8 taxi looks so strange because the fuselage looks like it doesn’t have enough support from the gear
Is Hawaii the most isolated large archipelago in the World in terms of flight planning for smaller aircraft?
do lower range jets like the CRJ have similar routes?
Yeah but they can fly a bit longer
Did we talk about ATR s in cold climate yet!
Does the airline send a team of pilots to collect the aircraft from the manufacturer or does the plane get delivered by Boeing/Airbus/ATR/DHC pilots? Or some third party "contractor"?
Both setups are possible. Depends on the airline having spare crew capacity. Airline pilots usually enjoy such non-ordinary trips.
@@dash7stol Bro suggested 3 options, you said "both" 😂
@@sierragutenberg so probably all three ;-) Not sure if manufacturers actually employ their own ferry crews or rather treat this as an outsourced contractor business.
You guys missed the ATR's and Dash-8's that were ferried to Hawaii from the Mainland.
Your right. To do that jump internal fuel bladders are needed. Far more complicated than just filling her up and fly to the next airport.
How does Qantaslink get their DHC-200, -300 and -400 series from Canada?
it would probably go something like this.
america > greenland, Greenland > ice land, ice land > Europe, Europe > Turkey, Turkey > UAE, then to India, once in India its pretty self explanatory, India > asia > Indonesia > austrlia
Here’s something that is somewhat related:
Boeing uses BNSF trains to transport their 737 fuselages
Yup Liat ATR 42-600's Still operates in the Liat Network I hope they'll reach the Jet Age Series soon.
Ah yes, leave island any time airways. ; )
Wish y you had shown the route to New Zealand
Toulouse, Luxor, Muscat, Colombo, Singapore, Darwin, Brisbane, Christchurch
Went there and back with my old man when Air New Zealand swapped out for newer models of ATR-72
3 week trip
We're not *that* far from Australia.
I assumed this video are not for the reasonably well informed pilots, those who have heard of companies like Turtle Pak (Au) rubber fuel cells. What are you talking about adding extra tanks will be challenging and require modification??!! On a larger turbo prop, no passengers remember, the modification consist of removing enough seats at the C of G and strap a fuel cell there, and add the necessary fuel pumps and lines. It is only challenging if your mechanic is drunk. On a ferry flight, with a ferry permit, the FAA allow the airplane to be loaded up to 50% over the regular gross weight, runway allow. The Atlantic is now a joke to cross, if you island hop, some of the longer range planes will not even need extra gas. The sole challenge remain the Pacific, but in the 70s they used to deliver planes like the Mooney M20 and 172s etc to Australia, The longest leg can be over 14 hours to Hawaii. It only stopped because of the non availability of av gas They did not even have GPS then, but we have it now, and I can tell where eg Howland Island is to within 10 ft. instead of guessing like Earhart had to do.
A neighbour and I saw this a got to talking about it.Consensus was on a Cybertruck.😳
How do they get around the ETOPS certification?
Don't carry paying passengers I'm sure effects some requirements. Same reason 737 Max could fly shuttle flights even while grounded.
7:02 French Polynesia's capital, Papeete is pronounced -- Papa-yeti I know because I've been there.
I have seen turbo prop ferry flight. But the worst I think is whirly bird ferry flight. Even shorter range and lesser altitude.
These are jets for the most part. Most commercial airlines are almost always a jet of some kind
What !!!
Nader Nowzadi from what I understand they are jets and many jets are turboprops.
Nader Nowzadi it seems there is a jet behind the turbo prop from what I seen but I think I can see if I can see it online
Nader Nowzadi but most unless it’s like the Boeing 707 inside the engine cage has a turbo prop inside of there.
But yes many times on most in use commercial airliners that are turbos are jets. They have jet engines on them
Nader Nowzadi anyways sorry I am posting so much. It seems under the piston engine there is a jet engine if you see there is usually a intake there
They definitely go on boats sometimes too
Yep. The safest way to deliver a plane is by ship, IMO. No dealing with flying airplanes to their maximum range, with engines running on fumes. :) Lol...
Tahiti Video
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LHR? Nobody is doing a ferry flight via Heathrow, surely?
Just put it one or two on the hull of a 777. Like the 747 carriers the space shuttle. Voila
Aaaaaahhhhh! I forgot to like and subscribe!!!
Read Ernest K. Gann’s “Fate Is The Hunter” in which he writes about his WWII flying experiences, as well as commercial aviation.
4:28 self pushback :)
Argyle international (TVSA) @5:37
2:10 how do you get this visualisation of range
Great Circle Mapper, distance mode
PLZ make new video on turboprop in 2020
They refuel on islands. Greenland is a biggie. Next question?
Interesting, Arab, Canada
*It would take forever for a turboprop to get here to Australia from the US and they don't fly as fast as jets*
Google "Island Hopping to the Land Down Under "
Beautiful 747. Airbus did a great job.
Put airplane into shipping container??? Ok?, yes? No?....lol lol