Fighting Games: A Healthier Form of Pleasure [While I'm Making Coffee]
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- There is one genre that can actually help you find a healthier way to make consistent progress while also feeling more pleasure, and it's fighting games. Here are 3 reasons why in a world of a easy self-gratification, this genre stands apart from almost everything else.
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What makes fighting games so special to me, is that because the actual mechanics are so constrained (i.e. just fighting), the development is allowed to focus and distill what are normally ancillary elements: art direction, animation, sound, music; to the point of maximum expression. No giant sandbox world will ever feel as refined or artistically satisfying because the resources can't be spared for it.
So true. Until one day when fighting games become open world too (might not happen but would be pretty interesting!)
@@NihongoGamerI mean Absolver isn't quite open-world, but it's an interesting take on something that might look like an open world fighting game (or at least fighting game adjacent)
Infinite azure 💀 @@NihongoGamer
Closest single player fg is the DMC series
Im a simple man. Fighting games make me feel like an anime character not playing as one but that i am one myself. I train make rivals and friends as i travel and enjoy the growth of defeating those stronger than me more and more
Same man, I got into it when my elders introduced me to it back during the days of Tekken 3. First game I played on the arcade. Later on I started my journey playing Tekken 6 on my local arcade. Met a lot of guys from different walks and places of life. Each person has their own style of using the characters, just seeing how characters are played make me recognize them "Ah this is the manager guy who plays Kaz like a pro, always focusing on spacing and preferring to use his EWGF, backdashes a lot using sidesteps depending on the mashup instead of wavedashing a lot like most mishimas"
Students of different fields, universities, random groups of friends and strangers, employees of bookstores, supermarkets, officeworkers, people of any age, gender, whatsoever.
Many of them I never got the chance to ask the name, many of them I played many times with, many taught me techniques. Not that I got really good myself 😅
I've met parrygods, spacing legends, silly and fun trolls, onetricks, tech masters, and so on. The best feeling is if you're on a good and hard fought match and a crowd gathers around. Fun times. Making friends, friendly rivalries, shaking hands and having mutual respect. There was not much salt, quarrels were often resolved. People would very often not even trash talk, but trash talking would often be a joke amongst the closer dudes.
I have never played fighters online unless with friends. It's just a completely different feeling and culture. Upon visiting a family friend I noticed people who play mainly online or at home are also very different, more trashtalky in a serious way, less respectful. Must be the effect of online game frustration, I feel the same as well sometimes 😅
It all died down during the epidemic
No more fighting games, gachas, rhythm, etc.
Edit: I feel local tournaments are becoming more popular again though, all the older legends are retired though probably
Hella accurate. I wish my internet services would get better though 😅
This is the cringiest thing I've ever read...
@@raymilbelmont2521Don't take it that deep, they're just saying that practicing fighting games makes him happy
Fighting games remind me of skateboarding. When you skateboard you fall and fail over and over again but the satisfaction of landing the trick makes it all worth it. And in fighting games when you finally land that combo in a match or rank up it has a similar feeling.
Just gotta say that I was booting up Strive and I had this idea that learning the moveset was akin to learning tricks on skateboard. Your take is better executed tho, ha.
I watched SK8 The Infinity and was thinking about smash/fgc the whole time and what made those so great and beautiful in the same ways the people there talked about skateboarding.
Except the difference is you don't have someone kicking the board out from under your feet when they don't want to lose their skate ranks
I love fighting games because they are a way for me to have meaningful conversations with people without even having to speak
Sometimes an exchange of blows can be revealing
Must be because the answer lies in the heart of battle
It's crazy how I feel lie I could write a book on different people's personality based on how they play Tekken and who they choose as a character to use. (3 characters max to complete data, can't get enough research from just 1 character)
But I promise I have had conversations in fighting games with no words. And I can tell if I'm gonna like you as a human as well lol
violence is the only language some people understand
The thing that helped me the most with enjoying FGs is trying to view the opponent as a thinking human being instead of an obstacle, so I get to enjoy their successes and aspire to learning from them even when I lose. Even when they're mindlessly mashing, that's a valid layer 0 that targets my bad strategy of leaving too many openings. And when they actually do something cool or make a perfect read, that's just a hype moment.
Damn positive vibes here
And then they taunt you and you realize that the feeling was in fact not mutual
@@MrGazzles 😂
Babe, wake up! Gamers have discovered empathy!
@@MrGazzles in this case, in Tekken you can buy magic mirror so you don’t see them taunt or hit your corpse when the round is over. But with this vibe, I think this is nothing to be bothered with. 😁 we chillin
For me, playing fighting games is akin to learning real-life martial arts. It all looks cool and awe-inspiring from the sidelines, but once you hit the dojo matt, it's wall-to-wall hard work, sweat and pain. Suddenly, learning is not so fun. You feel bruised and battered almost every day between sessions. And yet, through consistent perseverance, you emerge from the funk of disillusionment into patches of clarity and gratification. It's a journey of self-mastery that delivers more rewards as you evolve.
Most games these days have zero replay value once you have completed them, but games like SF6 and T8 can keep you going for years as long as you have the resilience to stick with them. Enjoy the journey!
Reminds me I need to watch kobra Kai again
Fighting games to me have been learning to deal with my own losses and shortcomings, developing new learning strategies, and overcoming adversity through flexibility and adapting.
I've taken more lessons from fighting games than I could list here but the journey to self improve in life (not just gaming) has been by far the healthiest lesson I've ever learned
I missed this series a lot, very glad to see it make a comeback!
The release of T8 and SF6 has truly pulled the FGC back to where it is since Covid19 days. Rollback code in these modern along with new graphics of these games just makes it very attractive to get into right now
Fighting games has always prioritized graphics since it was used as a benchmark for hardware back then. Virtua fighter made the playstation
Tekken ghosts are also amazing at easing you into a rough playstyle before you take a new character online.
@@kayosensei I agree with you as well, but man the marketing that they’ve done to advertise T8 and SF6 is better. I didn’t get much for VF5, and it’s exclusive for PSN still
Bredon set his stones ruthlessly, not a breath of hesitation between his moves. He tore me apart as easily as you rip a sheet of paper in half.
The game was over so quickly it left me breathless.
“Again,” Bredon said, a note of command in his voice I’d never heard before.
I tried to rally, but the next game was worse. I felt like a puppy fighting a wolf. No. I was a mouse at the mercy of an owl. There was not even the pretence of a fight. All I could do was run.
But I couldn’t run fast enough. This game was over sooner than the last.
“Again,” he demanded.
And we played again. This time, I was not even a living thing. Bredon was calm and dispassionate as a butcher with a boning knife. The game lasted about the length of time it takes to gut and bone a chicken.
At the end of it Bredon frowned and shook his hands briskly to both sides of the board, as if he had just washed them and was trying to flick them dry.
“Fine,” I said, leaning back in my chair. “I take your point. You’ve been going easy on me.”
“No,” Bredon said with a grim look. “That is far gone from the point I am trying to make.”
“What then?”
“I am trying to make you understand the game,” he said. “The entire game, not just the fiddling about with stones. The point is not to play as tight as you can. The point is to be bold. To be dangerous. Be elegant.”
He tapped the board with two fingers. “Any man that’s half awake can spot a trap that’s laid for him. But to stride in boldly with a plan to turn it on its ear, that is a marvelous thing.” He smiled without any of the grimness leaving his face. “To set a trap and know someone will come in wary, ready with a trick of their own, then beat them. That is twice marvelous.”
Bredon’s expression softened, and his voice became almost like an entreaty. “Tak reflects the subtle turning of the world. It is a mirror we hold to life. No one wins a dance, boy. The point of dancing is the motion that a body makes. A well-played game of tak reveals the moving of a mind. There is a beauty to these things for those with eyes to see it.”
He gestured at the brief and brutal lay of stones between us. “Look at that. Why would I ever want to win a game such as this?”
I looked down at the board. “The point isn’t to win?” I asked.
“The point,” Bredon said grandly, “is to play a beautiful game.” He lifted his hands and shrugged, his face breaking into a beatific smile. “Why would I want to win anything other than a beautiful game?”
You inspired me to switch from pad to an arcade stick and playing fighting games (mainly Tekken) has never been this fun. Thanks for all the informative content over the years 👍
I switched to an arcade stick on Tekken 8’s launch, and it’s been a lot of fun! It doesn’t make me better, but it’s more fun using the stick over my ps4 controller! Tekken 8 is my first fighting game that I’ve bothered to learn much, besides Smash.. Having more fun with a different controller will push one’s self to improve naturally with discipline 😊
i find myself having the most fun with the genre just learning combos and doing combo trials
i rarely go online but i think its fun to get better and better at executing stuff
Community, competition and the genuine love of playing.
Youre still the only uni content creator i watch
Seriously learning GGST was genuinely life changing for me; my mentality nowadays is a lot healthier than before all thanks to people like Romolla and Sajam
Legends!
I weirdly felt targeted when you said : " the goal is to progress in whatever other goals that you may have "
Not that it fully represents my approach now but... I started getting into sf6 for a very silly reason.
I didn't really get into sf6 in my own volition (not 100% at least). But my crush is really into fighting games and she invited me to play, and later on to try participating in local tournaments...
We're Masters and rivals now. And people told us we progressed really fast.
We started as iron and I didn't expect to become that hooked with the whole process, I genuinely enjoy it.
She tends to be headstrong and has an intuitive approach (with very good instincts too) so she forced me to keep my motivation up otherwise I'd be left in the dust. I have a somewhat analytic approach to the game so I could share tips with her.
We're still grinding to hopefully get a competitive level eventually (none of us expected to reach Master so we're just curious how far we can go from that point)
Nothing beats having a training partner!
How did you happen to get to Master rank without even having the intention to play originally? Have you always been good at fighters or are you a natural?
I think a good way of explaining fighting games to people is that fighting games are a sport. You interact with it in the way that you interact with a sport. You practice. You get better. And when you play, winning is important, yes, but it's more of a social centerpiece. It gives people something to do together and talk about and acts like glue between people who enjoy eachother's company. It also gives them a healthy outlet for competition that won't lead to them being at eachother's throats. (mostly(hopefully(sometimes)))
honestly the first pleasure I got from fighting games was the community, I didn't really improve much but I loved going and I loved watching folks play and just sharing it with them, started with smash mods but then that led to me going to fgc events. Now the primary motivator is progress, which isn't me getting upset at individual day-to-day performance but seeing the trend of my skill growth and how it's been exponential more recently as I've been actively playing games 1 on 1 or in 3 person rotation for hour(s)
the amount of joy i got once i saw the "While I'm Making Coffee" on my notifications list.
sooooo glad its back
I used to be a WOW Arena junkie back in the day.. But I mostly just play fighting games these days when I want to get my PVP fix. It's beautiful. I never have to waste my life doing trivial tasks just to keep from being at a statistical disadvantage to my opponents. When I lose- it's my fault. That's cool. I can own that and i have no one to be upset at but myself. Unlike most PVP games( where I commonly find myself upset at being ganged up on while my team does stupid things is just so frustrating and brings the worst out of me) I can just put it down and come back after months of hiatus and likely even be better because the break helps let go of bad habits and i can just reapproach it with more knowledge to develop better habits.
I'm incredibly happy that locals are becoming more and more of a thing again. No amount of good net code can replace the pure soul of the atmosphere being around people can bring.
Brasil mentioned!!! Love your channel and content, kudos from Brazil W
The way you describe people getting into fighting games from not playing them is how I felt about souls games. Everyone praises them and they look like they're great fun but when you try it for the first time its difficult to understand the gameplay. Its not until you give it an actual chance that you end up getting better at the game. I might give fighting games a real chance after hearing your explaination so thanks so much for the video.👍
More like gaslighting yourself into thinking you like something until you actually like it. When do you reach the "actual chance" when you play a game you don't like? If you are gonna suffer through something until you get good enough at it that you don't hate it anymore, might as well do your taxes instead.
Instead of playing a game because you like it, you'd be liking a game because you played it (enough times). It's completely backwards.
There's one thing called impression, which being something very superficial, can be easily changed (or confirmed), until you actually put yourself to experience it @Tomyb15
@@Tomyb15Very seldom is something easy when it is something worth doing. The first steps of self discovery, self reflection are not going to be a pleasant experience. But reaching the "end" of that road often results in you being stronger than you were at the start of it. Fighting games aren't about conquering your opponent, it is about conquering, thus expressing yourself.
It's so nice listening to you. Thanks for the video and your insight!
I feel like what makes fighting games special is that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
I like a lot of individual elements of FGs (music, art style, cinematics, mechanics, etc), but what keeps me coming back are those intangible elements like progression as a player, community, learning and teaching others, etc.
While other games can and do offer that experience, I haven't felt those things as strongly as I do with FGs.
I also like that FGs are one on one. Everything is on you. Whether you win or lose, improve at the game, etc. They create a reflective experience I find engaging.
Excellent video!
Your voice and presentation was a smooth as I hope the coffee was for you!
So, I have never seen you before but this was such a good presentation and you talking about socializing through an interesting hobby just grabbed me. I am terrible at fighting games but I think now that I know the fundamental mechanics I really want to try again.
Welcome! Hope you find even more content here that suits you :)
Fighting games have been my antidote to what you said at the end, that feeling of "I don't like this, every session I quit out more tired than what I started, what am I playing this for?" Fortunately fighting games have also mostly avoided the plague of f2p fomo grindables that the rest of the industry is plagued by. It's not going too far to even say that it's been therapeutic to me, playing only when I want to play, because I want to play, and I enjoy what I get out of playing each time I play.
Pleasure are the friends we made along the way.
From a single player point of view fighting games, driving games and shmups represent games that must be mastered. This was the MO of arcade games. Modern games are now beaten, that is your aim to get to the end of the story not to master the game engine.
It helped that if you mastered an arcade game, you got to play more while spending less. Nothing can quite replicate the feeling of playing on your last quarter.
Thank you for sharing your experience of coffee. You induced me to going and getting a cup of joe. Even though I am sure we were having different blends the way you described it made it all the more enjoyable.
For me the most interesting part to fighting games is adaptation, reading, strategy, conditioning, habits, etc. The psychology aspect of it is so awesome. Then people having their own playstyles and strategies makes it such a unique experience. I actually dont play traditional fgc's at all, I prefer platform fighters like smash, but I've been looking into them more lately to see if I should just try it. I dont mean to judge and say one is better than the other at all, this is purely my preference when I compare them, but here is what is stopping me. What I love about platform fighters is that they add more layers and dimensions. It adds ledge guarding, edge guarding, blast zones, more character diversity, platforms, more than just one style of map, more air combat, etc. Traditional fgc's to me seem to be much more focused on combo mechanics, but i guess theres still aerials, grabbing, counters. The dimension of it seems much simpler, but with higher mechanical demand to the combos and frame data. I also dont really like cutscene gameplay. And to add to that, again personal opinion, I just find the aesthetic style of SF and Tekken to be cheesy (I know, you'll probably think the opposite, of smash being cheesy)-- one exception for me being Guilty Gear, I like that art style. Maybe I should try that one out. Im not saying all this to judge and put down traditional fgc's, if anything Im just trying to see if Im actually wrong or missing some perspective that will encourage me to gain interest in them. They're the more popular ones, so Im in the minority here.
The whole vibe of this video was really nice.
I love competitive games, especially CS and used to play DotA. I love Tekken though, because you can’t rely on a team, it’s just you against someone else. There’s something so savage about all the pressure and glory to be on you, it’s awesome
It's like a sport, such as tennis, which I also play. The constant development of mastering something is where life is to be found :-).
I've felt this when I used to play Smash Ultimate locals preCovid. And I feel pretty similar when I play Age of Empires 4 or Rocket League as well if anyone was wondering about other games, minus the going to events part that's unique to fighting games of course.
I subbed to your channel because of N3ds vs N3ds XL video comparison.
Kinda surprised later when you jump into fighting game genre, the same time when I just barely started SFV.
Glad that you make content about controller and stuff, that review about pad controller always helpful for me to pick which controller I should buy.
Fighting games are MOBA-s without the "teammates"
I despise fighting games because skill issue, but I still like to watch videos like this :)
This is a great video! I feel like modern games are comparable to a slot machine at a casino. It really takes the soul out of gaming
FYI: I snagged a copy of Under night for $10 when Humble Bundle accidentally put it on sale, but they said they were out of keys & then refunded me the next day.
I’m very upset by this as well, they refunded me also
@@ChuckieT266 the publisher probably told humble bundle that they still owed them $50 for every copy they at $10.
I just started looking to watch more of your WIMC format videos like this about a day ago, that's crazy. I hope this returns in the future.
I agree that the pleasure is a byproduct, as no one type of game will resonate with everyone. And that's fine.
100% agree. For fighting games, the pleasure comes from knowing you are progressing, not neceaaarily from winning.
Great to see the coffee series making a comeback! Have been playing tekken 8 a lot and the experience has been grueling😭😭, but I'm loving every minute of it! ? Love your content bro, keep it up! Btw, is that a commandante coffee grinder? Cheers!
Not a commandante but I do have a new grinder arriving soon ;)
I trust you 100%, I am a bit surprised that there are people who simply want shiny rewards, dopamine hits. I want to game and feel like I've achieved or learned something.
The pleasure in fighting games lies in overcoming oneself, learning something new; it's when you're losing that you start to understand the opponent's game and eventually make a comeback. Many beginners get frustrated with their opponent's game, but the right approach is to focus on your own game, play to learn, work on your own mistakes, and thus reach the top.
Getting better at something everytime I play is satisfying. Even if it may not seem like I am improving, I know that I am because fighting games are so complex that there is always room to improve even if it just means mechanically.
My ego gets in the way when i lose too much. I get into my own head and equate my performance with my self worth. I am flooded with the feeling of like "im worthless, i cant even play a video vame right, what good am i" and on my worst days im pushed to self harm. I dont know why, im aware of why i have those reactions and feelings and have discussed with professionals and such but i cant get past it. I live fighting games but for whatever reason they drop me into dark places. Even when i finally win again its not internalized as i did something "right" or "well", but i got lucky. Then i also convince myself, though i know better, that my opponent is laughing at my hardships and belittling me on the other end. I feel if i could communicate with them somehow it could be better. Could tell them gj on that match, say dang i missed that input good job punishing it, whatever. But instead im left assuming theyre laughing and thibk low of me and becomes me thibking low of myself. Each online fighting game i play has no chat during matches. Maybe that would actually exasperate thing or escalate them? Idk. How do others manage? How do others play fighting games in a healthy way?
I felt the exact same way as you, although interestingly you mention not seeing the opponent feeds into the negative feeling since you're playing online. But as a Melee player, for years I would get absolutely stomped in person because there was no online for years for that game. Having players almost literally beat you up and take your lunch money face to face destroyed my mental. I stopped playing for a long time because for years I trained with the best in my region only to make no real progress in skill. I loved the game more than anything and played all the time but it made me depressed to see I had developed no skill for what was effectively my only hobby for years. It wasn't until online play was developed for the game that I was able to play the game without worrying about how my opponent perceived me and my skill at the game. I've been training and making real progress for the first time in almost a decade and I actually landed 1st place in a couple of in person tournaments. I think it's a mixture of playing online and growing up that got me past the negative emotional spiral from losing. Now I see each game not as a potential to win or lose, but as an opportunity to perform a dance with my opponent and communicate ideas with each other that I can learn and adapt from.
Honestly what's gotten me hooked to fighting games (SF6 particularly, with its very healthy online) is that, as I'm approaching 30 and working full-time or accumulating hobbies & projects to work on, there's almost no game genres where I can sit for 15-20min, have a good challenging bout of mind-games with a human opponent, win or lose and know what to do next time, and then just log off. It's wonderful.
This was an amazing topic to talk about, so I'm gonna share a little bit of my experience with fighting games. I started playing these games again two years ago when my best friend beat me on MK11, and I felt deeply frustrated. This frustration led me to start practicing more often. I became pretty good, but when it comes to playing online... gosh, that was awful. The frustration came back, and I had to focus on my university thesis project, so I stopped practicing. Then, Tekken 7 came into my life. 3D fighting games were not exactly my strong suit, but there I was, learning how to cope with frustration both in fighting games and with my thesis project. Nowadays, I have a job, and I deal with daily frustrations at work, but playing fighting games has taught me how to manage my feelings, including anger. It feels good to see progress and keep moving forward.
So yeah... play fighting games, they help a lot :)
A wonderful, positive story! Thanks for sharing!
Thats a lovely color on that guitar
I feel this way with tcgs, I started playing the digimon tcg because my friend showed me it and then i started going to locals weekly. I really enjoy the social connection and i ended up making a group of friends that i didn't expect when i first started playing. I can also feel my slow progress as I learn certain matchups and understand my decks more.
Like my brother said:"The day doesn't end until you won against Victor in Tekken 8"
ngl you're the main reason why I switched to stick & eventually keyboard lmaoo. Those old vids of you playing granblue
I think to me nothing has reminded me what it felt like to learn the guitar the way playing Tekken did.
Practicing the stuff your hands have to do, learning what else there is to learn and practice, and doing it in the right context. It takes the same mentality
This was such a good watch while I'm sick in bed. Very interesting topics and points ☕️
Losing is a part of the journey, and it makes you change your playstyle overtime, trial and error is good but it's not for everyone, the magic of fighting games are more in adaptative gameplay i think, i like so much when i finally understand the opponent throught the screen and i like also the sensation of the opponent reading my playstyle like he's reading a book, instant pleasure
Very good explanation and i have the same feeling. I play video game since 1989 (all kind of video games) , and now today i don't play any games (for theses reasons) except FGC games.
Seeing you make coffee again remminds me of when I subscribed
Recently I found the demo of Bluegrand Fantasy Versus Rising and I enjoyed it so much. I put like 900 matches so far. Very recommended.
yesss more of this content!
Finally, they're back
I'm maybe 1/10th of the way into the video, and I just wanna point something out. Not pointing fingers, just adding some context of my own
I think fps games are or can be suited for irl meetups. They aren't limited to 1v1 or meticulously planned teams; LAN parties used to happen all the time without the need for specific organization of players and matches, and honestly, they still do. Its just the culture surrounding the genre as well as it's popularity that has led to people not really engaging with it through these sort of venues. I mainly play halo, so maybe my perspective is different, but you have to go out of your way sometimes to find events or meetups where people will actually run matches together. It also doesn't help if the developers of these games limit or remove the options for people to play locally. But when those features are there, it's just as simple to walk up to someone during an event where these games are being run, and ask them to play a few matches. it moreso just comes down to the people themselves, and their willingness to play in these situations, but the games themselves allowing for local play does play a huge part in it, in general.
like, for example. If the game you're playing doesn't support local splitscreen or lan play, or if the game is an 'always online' type game, you probably will find less people willing to go to locals. The logistics will get in the way. You can't really do a Destiny LAN party or event, because the game is an always online game anyways, and you'd need the ability to support everyone bringing their setups and support that many people all online at one time. And I think that goes for alot of the popular fps titles nowadays. And if alot of these games don't really support or encourage local play, it seeps into the culture surrounding the games, and eventually the genre. Why go local when you can just play from the safety of your home, with your own gaming setup, and hop in a discord call if you wanna chat with your friends or join a group? Even in games that do support local play, and a variety of gamemodes that aren't hard locked to '5v5 elim search and destroy', when the culture surrounding the games doesn't really lean towards people meeting up and playing locally, they won't really do it. Though, I do hear every now and then about events and meetups for the original halo games, and they very much do support the ability to simply bring a controller or just one console, and get a party started. That, i feel, is what makes fighting games lend themselves better to meetups like that; you can just bring a controller or two, ask someone to play, find a console and a display, and get into a match pretty much right away. No need to level up guns or bring your entire computer, or anything. And it's been like that for a very, very long time
Fighting games have been a big part of my life for only 5 out of my soon to be 24 years of living. But despite that I've gained a lot more from fighting games than any other genre I ever played
hello from a Brazilian who loves FGC, who can attest that we have a way better coffee than most countries! YAY!
i watched this with my coffee on the treadmill. really enjoyed it.
Coffee time is back! 🙌
Can still so clearly remember a moment from my first time going to an out of state tournament, it was Super Smash Con 2016. This Japanese player who knew very little english walked up to me and wanted to play a few rounds because he saw me playing, and we pretty much communicated with eachother entirely through nodding and playing the game. Thats the sort of universal connection you can only get through an activity like fighting games
fighting game has always been a good side hobby of mine, started playing tekken 7 semi seriously back when im still at college, the college held a tekken 7 tournament, and i win the first place, it was a fun event and i ended up having some new friends! welp, now tekken 8 has released but my pc is just not strong enough, i feel like now im slowly drifting away with fighting game..
all and all though, nice video NihongoGamer~!
0:30 Brazil Mentioned 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Mmmmm coffee's back 😊 The Aroma. Thanks NG ☕
Heeeeey thanks for the support! Planning to do coffee more often :)
Fighting games are about the feeling of overcoming obstacles and learning. It is a type of pleasure too, but one which depends on having difficulty first. Is not freely delivered and easy, short term stimulation, but long term and deliberate choice. It is about exploring your own shortcomings and challenging them.
Amen brother! I enjoy your chemist OCD coffee prepping enjoyment as much as your passion for fighting games!! Excellent channel, it got me through Covid and allowed me to hold on to my sanity a bit, so thanks again for that!
I don't consider coffee to be a drink, you can put it in cake perhaps but that's it. Despite all that, I really enjoy seeing you make coffee and talk about it while telling me other things I should find interesting.
Fighting games is where I dive into a person's mind when playing against them, giving me an idea on their personal behaviors from the offensive, defensive, and other playstyles. Sometimes we see duality of offense and defense, sometimes we see a true hothead who likes oppressive pressure, other people are very defensive oriented.
Hello! Barista here, washed basically means the beans are “washed” in water with a certain chemical so the caffeine within the beans are washed out. This process happens a couple of times to extract the caffeine and to make sure the coffee is decaffeinated! Kinda cool stuff
He became an Azucena main
I think washed is the regular way to get the cherry off the seed, and the old way is to let the cherry ferment and slough off so you get more coffee cherry flavor
the pleasure has to be targetted at not dropping your combos, being consistent. Winning will come if you try focusing on playing like you want to play. It has helped me enjoy pvp fps games for ages
I find it interesting near the end you said that you believe fighting games are unique in their general lack of ability to deliver enjoyment without the player improving. I personally think that this is a consequence of competition rather than game design/structure specifically. When the goals of the players are at odds with each other the only way for enjoyment to be given to the player (directly from gameplay results, obviously there are players that will have fun just looking at pretty colors or whatever) is by accomplishing their goals. There are distractions in place sometimes, but if your goal in Valorant for instance is to improve and be competitive, then the new skins easy dopamine hits aren’t going to work, or will at least be less effective. I agree that fighting games are typically designed without these distractions in mind, as it is a genre whose main focus is pure competition, so there are fewer opportunities from the developer to obfuscate positive feedback, but I don’t personally believe that other games (single player/non-competitive games withstanding) are better at doing it, it just depends on what the goals of the community surrounding the game are.
Sorry for the book, love your videos, I’m excited for the fighting game community to grow more as we get better releases through the years, it really feels like we’re at the beginning of a renaissance with how popular Smash, SF6, T8, and fingers crossed 2XKO have been/projected to be
On the contrary, I love a nice meaty comment. You made great points!
Fighting games are amazing.
I've been playing fighting games since 1992, when I first encountered SFII in the wild, and I love them with all my heart. Online play turns me off, however, so I've fallen off in recent years, and it's sad. Personally, I'm ready for the return of the Arcade, and I've even found 3 close to me to get rounds in.
I just want more!!
Glad to see The coffee talk coming back, but sadly, I had to give it up. After I gave up caffeine, my anxiety disappeared almost completely, so it's a rare treat now :(
Coffee AND fighting games? Man, that's amazing. (can you recommend a affordable grinder and brewing method? I'm still trying to improve my coffee game.. and why are hand grinders so expensive?)
I never was at any local event for fighting games, but man, I really wanna try it one day. I feel like fighting games aren't that popular in Germany though. But first I want to join weekly fun tournaments via Discord and just chill online :)
But about ftg's in general: I love that it's just so easy to hop into them. Sure, you'll spend hours in training mode, but it's so much less rage inducing than other pvp games (looking at league, cs, valorant and the likes.. so much wasted time and all you get is frustration or a short dopamine kick from a win). Ftg's also saved me from a dark time in my life.
I've never been one to make it to locals, since my "locals" are actually more like day trips into London. I've always loved fighting games but I've never played them more than 2023/2024
Another genre that struggles with the "only fun when you win" problem, TCGs, has been found manufacturing wins with match making and shuffler shenanigans that try to enforce 50%WRs on the long run.
Wouldn't put it past fighting games to try some of those shenanigans, Capcom's not collecting notably granular match up data at all levels of online competition just to make more informed balance patches.
Skill-based matchmaking isn't a "shenanigan" lol
Well that's what happens when the companies goes from being dominated by engineers to being dominated by MBA.
If someone likes Souls games or mobas they will probably enjoy fighting games.
It really comes down to if you enjoy the learning and conquering process. The satisfaction of growing as a player requires patience and effort and understandably isn’t some people’s idea of fun.
i feel like any esport game is pretty akin to fighting games in this sense, valorant league cs dota etc
Man I missed these. What a great video. Awesome work
Playing fighting games is just like just a real life sport. You gotta practice a lot until you get confident on what you're doing, and that's the whole point. The mere process of practicing is fun, or at least interesting.
Thanks for crediting covid for online net code improvements.
Harada said thei didn’t place much importance in online before covid because they didn’t see professionals relying on it, when online tournaments weren’t needed.
Fighting Games and Starcraft 2 are the only games that stand completely seperate for me. I know other games can theoreticly be competetive too, but it's just not comparable
Well now that you've brought up truck driving, given you have a wheel it would be interesting to see you play Euro Truck Simulator 2.
i was going to events a lot pre-covid back when i lived in america. now i live in tokyo and started getting back into fighting games when tekken 8 dropped. do you have any recommendations for locals or communities to play offline fighting games in the tokyo area?
it's all in the beans!
Came for fighting game, stayed for coffee
Maybe im a masochist, but i feel more pleasure in GG Strive in the open park if I lose to someone 10 times but win once, than if im evenly 5-5 with someone. If im evenly matched with someone there isnt a spark of enjoyment, it feels ok. But overcoming beating a hard opponent feels more amazing.
Another genre would be MOBAs. I played For Honor for over 5 years (and intend to go back once I have more time on my schedule again) and it is a Fighting Game/MOBA-Hybrid. After many MANY hours I came to the realization that I don't want to win in particular, I just wanna do well. Nowadays in Street Fighter 6 winning isn't as important as my own performance.
Am I OK with where I am right now? And how can I improve on that?
the only time i don't feel pleasure from fighting games is when i don't feel like the combo i learned is worth it to use, like in Tekken 8 for example, with King you can do his grab combos by pressing the starting grab and spamming 2 buttons, you don't get much damage out of it but its for people who have a hard time learning the combo, alternatively you can do the commands as they are intended and get more damage out of it, my problem comes when i go to do the more damaging combo but the difference between the more damaging one and the easier one is very small, if i could turn off the ability to even do the easier version of the combo i would feel accomplished because i worked for that to be able to do it, but with it on all the time, i could miss an input and the combo would still happen but with less damage, i feel like the game is holding my hand and its discouraging.
Fighting games are very mentally stimulating too. Some of it can feel like chess.
ahhhhhhh. Its here~ I found you again NihongoGamer
Welcome back
I'm glad to see the coffee talk return! Let's grind!
I misssed the coffee talk so much!
glad to see it again :D