For Those Thinking of Converting to Catholic / Orthodox WAIT, Watch THIS
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
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IRENAEUS
“It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about” (Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]).
“[I]t is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church-those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the certain gift of truth according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth” (ibid., 4:26:2).
TERTULLIAN
“But if there be any [heresies] which are bold enough to plant [their origin] in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [their first] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men-a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter” (ibid., 32).
“But should they even effect the contrivance [of composing a succession list for themselves], they will not advance a step. For their very doctrine, after comparison with that of the apostles [as contained in other churches], will declare, by its own diversity and contrariety, that it had for its author neither an apostle nor an apostolic man; because, as the apostles would never have taught things which were self-contradictory” (ibid.).
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Prayed for Miki.
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Both of you guys are a great at edifying the church. I have heard testimonies of former Greek Orthodox who have said that one of the things that caused them pause, was that when good things would happen to their church - the church would gather and the first person they'd give thanks to is Mary. They'd run to give thanks to Mary. Shows where the heart's affections and even worship truly are. Anyone who thinks Christian hearts should be pointed first at Mary, is sadly mistaken.
Very telling indeed. The Bible says to thank the Lord -
“Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God;”
Philippians 4:6 NKJV
Oh and a two for one, this verse also tells us who we are supposed to make our requests known to - God.
@@abideintheWord great verse on this topic.
Ex Jehovah Witness here. I used to believe a lot of strange and inconsistent things. I’m familiar with cognitive dissonance, the fact that you keep proposing arguments from silence over and over again and saying how powerful they are is very telling. I pray for you. I pray that you come to submission to the Church that our Lord established.
Only one argument was an argument was an argument from silence that I recall. All the rest were appeals to Scripture, our final authority.
And you of all people should know how cognitive dissonance works, right? I mean - the watchtower claiming all authority given to them by God doesn’t sound like the Catholic claim to you? You just went from one heresy to the next, seeking more knowledge but never arriving at the truth. And blood transfusions? Where is that in the Bible? They both add things to Scripture, you would think you would put two and two together.
I left Protestantism and came back to the Catholic Church. I love being in an apostolic church.
Notice how you didn’t rebut a single point we made in the video. Just want to note that. 😉
Then you still lost and in a strong delusion sent from the FATHER because you wanted to be Stupid dumb ignorant and walk around in your flesh and in your carnality so HE just went ahead and made you believe that lie that your walking and LIVING in sir
10:00 he says it’s an argument from silence yet is powerful. What more do you need to see than for him to call a legit logical fallacy a powerful argument.
I can tell you didn’t watch the whole video, or at least pay attention. Please go back and watch.
You moved on to issues with apostolic succession without really explaining more the logical fallacy. As an ex Jehovah Witness (left that faith 4 years ago) I’m pretty familiar with cognitive dissonance and listening to you I genuinely believe you have that. Somebody that does not believe in your canon of scripture could say, “when did Jesus say; “there’s gonna be a a Bible with x specific amount of books”, the fact that he didn’t say it, is a POWERFUL argument against believing in the canon of scripture recompiled in the fourth century”. This is how you sound to me.
The Sermon on the Mount can be found in the Gospel of Matthew , chapter 5-7.
Aside from the first 15 min of the video you’re not supplying and resources a person can verify and check the viability of what you’re saying. Notably at the 45 min mark, there is a lot of conjecture that what Catholics today celebrate in the mass only dates back to medieval christianity and looks nothing like early church Christianity. You supply no references or resources to support your claim, just accusation. My resource to refute your claim would normally be the Bible but in light of your argument as to the historicity of what the early church looked like you need to go no farther than the description of the mass as supplied by Justin Martyr. He clearly depicts a liturgical celebration that looks strikingly like what you see celebrated at the Catholic mass. What’s more is that in Martyrs defense of Christianity to the Roman Empire he addresses the Roman view that Christian’s are cannibals and argues to the contrary.
If you want people to be educated about the church provide resources and footnotes
You should have waited until the end of the video. There are tons of resources available -
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Hey just to clarify, when I said that it is a form of Christianity that really comes from the 4th or 5th century, I didn't mean that the liturgy only goes back that far. I understand that the Catholic and Orthodox church have retained a core liturgy that goes back further than that. But I meant that the church of the 4th and 5th centuries departed from apostolic Christianity in other, more important ways. Please, please, please check out this video for just one concrete example of what I'm talking about. Just check out the first 20 minutes or so, and let me know what you think... And may God bless you.
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@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha well it departed from one of Jesus' most essential teachings which is to love our enemies and not to resist evildoers. That was like Christianity 101 in the first few centuries. But after Constantine that changed pretty quickly.
What perfect timing. I prayed God spoke through you.
Perfect timing? Were you considering the Catholic Church or something?
Sorry to be carnal, but how can I get one of those Abide in the Word Hoodies brother?
My sister-in-law actually made it for me and my mother-in-law gifted it to me brother. God bless.
Scripture clearly teaches that the church is the pillar of truth (1 Timothy 3:15), that bishops were appointed by the Holy Spirit (Acts 20:28), that a Christian must listen to the leaders watching over their souls (Hebrews 13:17), to keep the oral traditions of the apostles (2 Thessalonians 2:15).
Jesus even exhorted others to listen to the church, under pain of being condemned (saying they’re like pagan/tax collector, or in other words one who will be condemned); Matthew 18:17. He never gave authority for individual believers to determine their beliefs.
So if scripture equips us for every good work, these scriptures above must be included in that exegesis.
What’s also notable is that most people in history have been illiterate, and so would not even be able to read the scriptures, instead they would go to the church to hear the word of God spoken by a lawful priest. Almost all christians before the Protestant reformation were catholic/orthodox.
In scripture the saints were alive before judgement day, watching events taking place on earth, which proves they’re not in soul sleep but alive in heaven (Revelation 6:9-11).
The saints also have their prayers gathered and presented to God, as scripture clearly teaches (Revelation 5:8)
Paul said that we’re surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses (Hebrews 12:1)
“Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,”
This clearly suggests that the saints in heaven can not only witness our lives but even our sins.
You didn’t even have time to watch the video. That tells me right away you unwilling to even entertain the idea you might be wrong.
@@abideintheWordI’ll watch the full video later, but from my quick skimming of it you’re seeming to suggest that because some of this catholic dogma isn’t in the Bible, that means christians don’t have to listen to it, on the contrary, Jesus taught that one must listen to the church, under pain of condemnation (Matthew 18:17).
Exactly why you should watch the video. A fool speaks before hearing both sides.
@@abideintheWord Hey didn’t you say that you couldn’t call others a fool?
”Whoever says ’You fool.’ Shall be guilty enough to enter into fiery hell”
I guess I dont understand. You have Jesus passing on the torch to Peter. He then says that the church wont die. So someone has to be in charge of the church on earth. Hence the popes.
Yes its convoluted and very short. But he didnt say hamd it over to luther 1500 years later. Hes god, he knows how its going to play out.
You clearly didn’t watch the video. So sad you write without even watching. If you had watched, then you would have heard me explain how I’m not Protestant. I think Luther was the biggest heretic there was - promoting the heresy of faith alone.
The reason you don’t understand is because you don’t have the spiritual eyes to see and ears to hear as Jesus said. If you did, then you would understand Jesus’ church was not a physical one He was talking about, with a lines of popes that were never even once mentioned in the Bible. No! It’s a SPIRITUAL one! Why don’t you even listen to your own very first “pope”?
“you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up 👉spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”
I Peter 2:5 NKJV
@abideintheWord in other words you won't believe the simple and clear text of the bible
Jesus handed over the magisterium to Peter when he said he would build his church on rock. I.e. Peter.
@@nosuchthing8 sorry, the Bible doesn’t say that. You twist Matthew 16 to try to prove your point. All you have to do is look at the Greek.
@abideintheWord Jesus didn't SPEAK Greek knucklehead! He spoke ARAMAIC. And in aramaic the word in cepha.
Yessh.
There exists a consensus among scholars that the language of Jesus and his disciples was Aramaic.[1][2] Aramaic was the common language of Judea in the first century AD. The villages of Nazareth and Capernaum in Galilee, where Jesus spent most of his time, were Aramaic-speaking communities.[3] Jesus likely spoke a Galilean variant of the language, distinguishable from that of Jerusalem.[4]
This is from Wikipedia.
If you find ANY reliable source that claims he SPOKE Greek please include it.
If you are going to post something in you tube at LEAST do some basic research ok? Ok.
The bros together! Awesome :)
Thank you for doing this, brothers!
Can't wait to see the whole video…
Just wanted to write really quick:
You should say "eastern orthodox", not just Greek Orthodox!
Because there are several types of that "Church" in the world, the *Russian orthodox* being the biggest and highly influential one!
I would know it very well, because the Lord Jesus saved me from it since 2016. HalleluYah!!!
And I know absolutely every single thing about their heresy because I myself used to believe it and practice it, trying to be obedient and faithful to God, and to please Him.
Because I didn't know better until a certain time, for I was reading the word of God and it started setting me free…
Praise Lord Jesus for all the truth and His endless mercy!
Could you please expand more on the heresy you speak of, I’m just a Christian who tries to follow Jesus and the Bible not really apart of any specific denomination but I’ve been trying to really figure out if the orthodox and catholic believers are on the way to salvation?
@@deo7880
The MAIN heretical doctrines of demons and heretical practices (in DIRECT OPPOSITION to the Word of God!) being:
- Idol worship (statues, pictures, "icons"...;
- People worship (including "mother Mary" and tons of other "canonized saints");
- Necromancy;
- Praying "in the name of the father, son and HS" -- instead of *in the name of Jesus Christ;*
- Appointed fasts;
- Pre-written prayers (NOT spontaneous from the heart);
- Calling "priests" *FATHERS;*
- and really hundreds upon hundreds violations of the holy Word/commandments given in the Bible! Too many to list.
Stay away from them as far as possible!
I have not met a *_single born-again child of God_* among the "orthodox" or the "Catholic" fake "Christians"! Not one, in many many years, neither from among the clergy nor the congregations, in any countries that I've known them in.
Just stay away from them, do not call them Christians, do not call them brothers or sisters in Christ for *they are NOT in Christ* and never have been...
But do pray for them and witness to them, if you get a chance…
Remember though:
they are the hardest bunch to awaken, because their *brainwashing, self-righteousness and dead ritualistic religion* have the most powerful strongholds you will ever encounter!!!
Beware! ⚠️📛🚨
Titus 3:10-11; Matthew 7:7-8.
Godspeed!!!
@@deo7880
If you wanna know more, I highly recommend following this brother who is an ex-Catholic, and his ministry!
He does a lot of labor for the Lord specifically in this area, getting people out of the Catholic heresy!
ua-cam.com/video/jdlczbO5Csc/v-deo.htmlsi=8cupt6ijCj1CCOcv
@@deo7880
I sent you two responses yesterday. For some reason they're not showing up to me right now…
Can you see them at all?
I'm wondering if I'm blocked by this channel all of a sudden, or is UA-cam shadow banning me for spreading the truth…
@@InspektoraDeFrutas. no i don’t see them this also happens to me sometimes I think you have to send it again
As a Catholic. Scripture you throw can be meaningless. Not that I don’t think it’s the word of God but more that it’s not put into context as a whole or is open to interpretation. On other points you give your appoint and that’s about it. You want to win Catholics over, Prove your authority to speak. Until you prove that you are authorized to speak on these matters or to interpreter the word of God or on behalf of the church, until then it’s meaningless
You said “Scripture you throw can be meaningless”. That literally tells me everything I need to know about you and that you are not open to the word of God and reading it like a baby as we should.
What would we need to do in order to have authority so that you would take us seriously? Is there anything short of becoming Catholic priests that would give us authority in your mind?
There is no denominations in heaven there is only one SPIRIT one MIND and one TRUTH and that's JESUS CHRIST of NAZARETH period 💯 ✨️ ♥️
12:41 on the whole question of having the saints pray for us, though I do not agree with that concept, could they perhaps back up their their practice with these verses: Matt 22:32 (God is not the God of the dead, but of the living, i.e., the saints are dead) and Luke 16:24 (the rich man for practical purposes ‘prays’ to Abraham.) ?
The rich man was not PRAYING to Abraham!!! He was right there WITH Abraham. Friend, do you not see a difference. Again, find me just ONE SINGLE Scripture of somebody doing it. If not, then stop attempting to defend this wicked and unbiblical practice.
@@abideintheWord Definitely not defending just trying to see what their thinking may be on this. “God is not the God of the dead but of the living”, hence might they be saying just as I can ask my living brothers and sisters in the Lord to pray for me, mightn’t I be able to ask St. Peter to pray for me seeing as in fact he is not dead, but alive to God? (I do see a big flaw in this, but wanted to hear your take. For example, how’s Peter supposed to “know” you’re asking him to pray for you🤔 while he’s in heaven? Does Jesus tell him, then why not just pray to Him in the first place?)
@andrewsmall3190 yes, this is part of a Catholic defense. There is obviously more to it, but that is one corner piece.
There would also be James 5:16 The prayer of the just man is powerful.
Hence asking the saints in heaven to pray for us, because thanks to Rev 21:27 we know nothing unclean will enter heaven.
The saints in heaven must be just as nothing unclean can enter, and so their prayers are powerful, and they are also constant as revelation 5 also tells us.
Why would we not ask our living brethren to pray for us with their powerful and constant intercession?
If you have more questions about Catholics and what we believe, even just for curiosity's sake, I would steer you to Trent Horn at Counsel of Trent on UA-cam or Joe Heschmeyer at Shameless Popery.
They both do a very, very thorough job of laying out the Catholic position on many different topics.
Although I regard EO and Catholics as brothers, they do not always reciprocate. EO in particular are hyper-exclusive and have internal doubts concerning which branch of orthodoxy is the true Orthodox Church. Also the nicea II is highly dubious of a council concerning icons.
You should check up on the Catholic beliefs back in the old days. Now they basically say almost anyone can be saved, whereas before it used to be “there is no salvation outside of the church”. They have changed their views considerably towards ecumenism.
I left Protestantism for Eastern Catholicism. Thank God for leading me
God didn’t lead you to go against the commands of Jesus.
@@abideintheWordCatholicism is true Christianity, protestantism is hogwash
Praise God for that brother and thank him for getting you out from fake protestant Bible butchering teachings. Welcome to the Church which Christ established and holy apostels and early christians (to this day) attended, who guards correct Bible doctrine!
Brother you have left the churches founded by men in the 1500s and you have gone back to the original Christian churches.
@@abideintheWordJesus commanded you to listen to his apostles
Hi guys, all who reads this, check the 3 part books called Surprised by Truth.
Also apologist Dave Armstrong books are great.
Can that apologist explain to me why praying to Mary and the saints wasn’t found in either Judaism or Christianity all the way until several centuries after Christ? If not, I really don’t care to hear any of your responses if you can’t answer that.
@@abideintheWordhow many centuries is several? The sub tuum is a hymn/prayer to Mary from as early as the 200’s. St John Chrystostom explicitly mentions praying for the dead in the 300’s. Tertullian seems to mention it and he lived in the 100’s.
@@aderousse6 “seems” to mention it? Show me where. As Tommy stated, more often than not you guys hunt and pick quotes that “seem” to support your position when they actually aren’t saying anything of the sort. You twist them to make them fit your theology. So please give me the exact quotes you’re talking about.
@@abideintheWord Praying for those who have died is in scripture, it’s just that Protestant printing societies have removed the books which teach it.
2 Maccabees 12:46 “It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.”
@christsavesreadromans1096 I love the books of maccabees.
Did you ever consider that the speaker was just expressing sorrow over his fallen soldiers and not teaching a doctrine?
@abideintheWrod - Why dont you do a debate or discussion with catholics on that? But real, knowledgable ones? Like Trent Horn, Wiliam Albrecht, Jimmy Akin etc. Send them message, im sure they would like to engage in discussion. Then you will see how far are you from Bible christianity.
I would love to do that. The problem is, I’m a small channel, and second I have researched this topic and never once found and Catholic apologist give a single good reason for the practice of praying to the saints. I think this is the one topic they have nothing on and would not be able to debate this topic. Come on, there isn’t a single passage in both the old and new testaments even hinting we pray to a single saint. So for literally thousands of years every single old and New Testament author forgot to mention “ oh yeah by the way, you should pray to the saints”. Don’t you find that at least a little odd? If not, I’m talking to someone who is being disingenuous with themselves if you can’t at least say it’s a little odd all 40 or so authors of the Bible it just slipped their minds. Come on.
Oh I see. Luther in effect removed the books where you can pray to those in purgatory. Especially macabees. Throw those books back in, solves your reticence to praying to mary.
Ah gotcha. Makes sense. But wait a minute. That still doesn’t solve the problem that Jesus, nor any one the apostles, nor any of the other writers of the any of the books of the Bible, nor Moses, nor a single one of the Old Testament saints even so much as made a single mention of it. Kind of odd don’t you think? 🤔 I mean as much as you you guys mention this practice, you think it would have been brought up by Jesus at least one single time, right?
@@abideintheWord As much as you guys mention Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, you think it would have been brought up by Jesus at least one single time, right? Where does the Bible say that the Eucharist is only a symbol?
See how this doesn't work? There are other authorities we must look to for guidance, as Jesus only had a limited time on this Earth, and his apostles who wrote the gospels, being men, had a limited memory of his words.
This is the issue for apostolic Christians debating Protestants, it is a fundamentally different system of belief, ours is based on 3 infallible authorities (2 for the Orthodox), and yours is only based on 1. The failure of Sola Scriptura is that it is self-contradictory as it is not found in the Bible (Nor was the current Biblical canon). I understand that tradition is viewed as a lesser and non-infallible authority for some Protestants and could be used to defend Sola Scripture, but tradition itself causes Protestant theology to utterly collapse, on Sola Scriptura and countless other issues (Bishops, Saints, Sacraments). The Bible is an infallible book, no doubt about it, as it is the word of God, but unless there is an infallible interpreter, there are bound to be countless divides and heresies that rise up in the church, as there are in Protestantism.
I admire your faith, and I hope that you come to Catholicism as I have, being a former Protestant myself.
On a side note, it's very late right now and I need to go to bed, but I hope you have a truly blessed 2024, my brother in Christ.
✝🎆♥
I am from Greece and Greek Orthodox. I feel blessed for this. May God enlighten you!
Hello. Are you saying you feel blessing because you are coming out of the Greek Orthodox Church from what you’ve learned here?
@@abideintheWord No, he is saying that because the Orthodox church is the truth and you are charlatans and wrong
@@abideintheWord Of course not! I am Orthodox and I will be until I die!
Christ is Born. Glorify Him! Greetings from a non-Greek Orthodox convert in the US.
no sensible educated person would ever leave the Orthodox church@@abideintheWord
Do you think we can have images of Jesus as art or reminders
I believe the early Christians seemed to frown upon this. I believe they quoted about having graven images. I’m not going to say it’s necessarily sin just because of that, but I think we must be careful. Remember what happened to the bronze serpent? They kept it for a time, but when it started being worshipped it had to be destroyed. They kept things in the ark such as Aaron’s staff, but I don’t know of any examples of people keeping images or paintings of anyone.
So yes but just don’t worship it
@@abideintheWord lol the early Christians made icons and art about Jesus and The Apostles. theres proof everywhere
Look up the Duro Europa Synogogue, it dates to the 3rd century (244 AD) and had iconography all over their walls. The practice of iconography is part of early Christianity but became more of an issue in the eastern part of the empire when Muslims started invading their lands. They thought it was because of the icons to be "idols" but this was more or less siding with the Muslims thought on imagery, which was wrong. Then, during the reformation, they departed more from the faith when they had less imagery in their churches as well. Icons aren't art, they point to the incarnation that God's Son is the visible icon of the Father.
@@andys3035 you can’t find are or icons for at least the first 200 years of Christianity. Very odd don’t you think?
Love your videos bro glory to god ❤
When searching for the differences between denominations, the podcast Orthodoxy & Heterodoxy was very informative in explaining what all the different groups believe. Highly recommend to anyone.
There is no denominations in heaven there is only one SPIRIT one MIND and one TRUTH that's JESUS CHRIST of NAZARETH period 💯 ❤️ ✨️
@@sonoofgod5
On earth, as it is in Heaven :)
@bonniegadsden9097 exactly my point on earth as it is in heaven period outside of CHRIST is death for HE is the only breath wake up church 💯
😢 sorry you don’t see the fullness of faith
The fullness of the faith? Doing the OPPOSITE of what Jesus Himself commanded is the FULLNESS of the faith? Oh my.
@@abideintheWordMy friend, you dont even know who Jesus or or what Jesus taught without The Church
You have no scripture without The Church.
Hey brothers and sister I just want to confess my sin to you all I fell into sexual immorality and those who commits sexual sin, sins against his own body where the temple of God dwells I have repented this day. I have put on a fast, not only of no food but a fast that the Lord requires. Pray for my soul brothers that i may be restored!
Amen.
““Is this not the fast that I have chosen: To loose the bonds of wickedness, To undo the heavy burdens, To let the oppressed go free, And that you break every yoke?”
Isaiah 58:6
Are you really supposed to confess to the entire public about your sex thoughts? Seem inappropriate. Why not do this in private?
Please do not boast about your sins and fastings, confession should be done to Jesus. I pray for you regardless
You should confess to a priest so he can directly absolve you of your sins, and you can know for certain that you’ve been forgiven. The authority to do so has been given by Jesus to his apostles and lawful successors after His resurrection.
John 20:21-23
“Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha John 20:21-23.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha The apostles and their successors were given the authority to forgive sins by Jesus Himself, they wouldn’t have been able to do so without first hearing the verbal confession of sins from these men.
Males perfect sense to me 💯✔️🎯❤️🙏,
You're not getting anywhere without Jesus Christ 🙏
The narrow road 🙏🙏
Christ built a Church on a Rock (:
“Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesare’a Philip’pi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” - Matthew 16:13-19
Peter the Stewart to Christ's Kingdom. The first Pope. If you wish to visit Peter's remains, you can visit the Vatican.
Orthodoxy is Truth.
you interpret the bible according to your own understanding.
59:47 while I agree that Christians should not initiate war, I do not think that if our villages and homes are being attacked by invading marauders we are not to defend ourselves or other innocents from being victimized.
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
@@abideintheWordGood verse and I think the Lord supports self defense or certainly defense of the defenseless. Luke 22:35-38
@@andrewsmall3190 WHAT?!? Did you keep reading to see how Jesus REBUKED them for trying to use the swords in self-defense? You’ve got to be kidding me -
“But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels?”
Matthew 26:52-53 NKJV
@@andrewsmall3190 please read your Bible.
@@abideintheWord no that was specifically in response to their actions to resist his arrest. Why do you think Jesus told them to buy swords?
Would you not defend your family if home invaders came into your house to victimize them?
Jesus never talked about a LOT of things. Never talked about abortion, gay people, etc. Yet these topics seem to dominate many protestants. So what?
the apostles talked about ti
Jesus didn’t talk about murder? Seriously? Jesus didn’t talk about gay people? You’re kidding! Even if He didn’t, which He did, the Old Testament talks about both murder AND gays.
Tell me, where in the Old Testament is prayers to the saints - just one example please, that’s it.
“For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, 👉murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.”
Matthew 15:19 NKJV
“‘For this reason a 👉man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his 👉wife,”
Mark 10:7 NKJV
A man should be joined to his WIFE, let alone all the OT passages AND New Testament passages on homosexuality. Do you need me to list them? Now where is your passage, I’m waiting on it.
The Church existed before the New Testament was even written. The canon of Scripture was determined by the Church. Sola Scripture is self-refuting because it implies that the canon of Scripture is fallible.
Most of the ideas you guys believe were popularized in the 16th century by the protestant reformers. Sola scriptura, sola fide, disbelief in the real presence, etc. are nowhere to be found in the early church. If these concepts were self-evident from Scripture, don't you think the Church in the first 1600 years would have believed them?
You claim that we are elevating the Church Fathers to an infallible status. Not true. What we are doing is pointing out that these Protestant concepts were nowhere to be found in the Church Fathers. It's not that the Church Fathers were always correct, it's that if a doctrine is completely contradictory to the unanimous consensus of the Church Fathers then it's easy to deduce that the modern interpretation is simply incorrect. Unless you believe that the Apostles did such a poor job of articulating their teachings that the early church unanimously believed false doctrines?
The problem with Protestants quoting Scripture is it begs the question, "How do you know your interpretation of that passage is correct"? It's an untenable position because you have no way of determining the validity of your interpretation. This is precisely why there are so many different Protestant denominations; because when everyone is coming to their own interpretations, there is no consensus. This is why the protestant reformers Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli disagreed heavily on such important tenants of the faith such as infant baptism, the real presence, and baptismal regeneration. Who is correct? Protestantism cannot tell you!
Interpret this for me -
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
II Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV
@@abideintheWord
Well for starters, this was written in regards to the Old Testament Scripture, since the New Testament Scripture was not established yet. So if you take that verse to its literal conclusion, you'll have to concede that the New Testament Scripture in unnecessary.
But I understand how Protestants interpret this verse since it's among the 10 or so verses which they like to spam during apologetics.
Unfortunately this doesn't address any of the arguments I made. Like I said, if sola scriptura was self-evident from Scriptural verses like this, then sola scriptura wouldn't have been nonexistent for thousands of years.
All this verse says is that the Old Testament Scripture is helpful for making a man complete.
@@abideintheWordthe other commenter is correct. All scripture is inspired. Meaning the Old Testament. The New Testament was not canonized when this was written. Saint Paul says keep to the Traditions (2 thess 2:15) and 2 Tim 3:15 says the church is the pillar and bulwark of truth
Why did he say that? Why didn’t he say the scriptures?
@@Isaacs_Binding so we learned that A) you couldn’t offer any explanation whatever of what the passage means, and we also learned that you are WRONG! Major books of the New Testament were already circulating at the time as yes, were considered Scripture -
“and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the 👉Scriptures.”
II Peter 3:15-16 NKJV
@@abideintheWord Even if I grant that St. Paul was referring to New Testament Scripture as well, this verse still doesn't teach sola scriptura.
I respect that you're passionate about your beliefs but I've offered you numerous different arguments against Protestant Theology and you've refused to even address them... Please answer these questions directly:
1) How does someone who adheres to sola scriptura determine which books are considered Scripture?
2) How does someone who adheres to sola scriptura know that their interpretation of Scripture is correct?
3) Why do Protestant Denominations disagree about very basic aspects of the faith if they are all following sola scriptura?
Anathema
So instead of actually refuting any of the solid arguments that can’t be refuted, you decide to curse us?
Saint Padre Pio from Italy was a Catholic. How many Saints and unexplainable phenomenon happen in the Catholic church, don't forget about Our Lady Of Fatima and those miracles. How many Saints has the king james produced, how many have received the stigmata in churches other than Catholic? Catholic is the truest church, and now we are in the last age, The Marion Age. Cone join the true end times church, The Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Our Lord And Savior Jesus Christ Established, The Marion Age if you want the truest way for the end times. Be a true man and believe in Jesus' Mother in these end times, who can be more humble and like Jesus, Love His Mother! That's what a truest Christian would do. If it wasn't for Mercy, only Catholics would go to Heaven, and not all Catholics are going to Heaven, let alone other types of Christians. Catholics have the highest ratio of soul going to Heaven, so go ahead, roll your dice. Look up every Saint's life, really study the Saints, then you'll be a real man and a real Christian and become Catholic, if you don't, you are really arguing yourself and the devil. Your zeal blinds you to the TRUTH
So wait, miracles determines truth? No you are severely mistaken!
“The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
II Thessalonians 2:9-12 NKJV
The word of God determines truth.
In Orthodox Christianity, the practice of asking for the intercession of Mary, saints, and angels is an essential part of their devotional life. However, while it's a prominent aspect of their spiritual tradition, it's not a mandated requirement for salvation. Orthodox believers often seek the intercessions of saints and Mary to pray to God on their behalf, believing that the saints' prayers are powerful due to their closeness to God. Nonetheless, prayer to saints and Mary is a matter of piety and tradition rather than a doctrinal obligation for salvation in Orthodox Christianity.
Did you watch the video? It seems you didn’t, or at least didn’t pay attention.
Please go watch.
Be brave and name the so called former pastors that converted to Catholicism that said the prayers to the saints and Mary was the hardest thing to accept. Should be easy to do that and simultaneously give more authority to your claims. Only liars can't be specific because then it is impossible to wiggle your way out when you are refuted
Wait, so because I didn’t take the time to go through and list each person this automatically means I’m a coward and a liar? Wow!
Sad to see how many are deceived by catholicism and orthodoxy in this comment section. All Y'all have to do is let the Word of God speak for itself.
ave maria plena gratia gloria patri et filio et spiritui sancto catholice et orthodoxe ecclesie domini YHWH
debate with sam shamoun I DARE you
@@bismaark can you show me the verse where Jesus or the apostles taught this nonsense of how to pray to dead saints?
Or can Sam show me the verse? If so, I would love to talk with him.
@@bismaark Sam shamoun gets loud and obnoxious
is he wrong tho@@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737
Orthodoxy is Truth.
Protestantism is man made. Evil doctrine.
The Holy Apostolic Catholic and Orthodox Church is the True and Only Church Jesus established on earth.
According to Jesus and the apostles it isn’t. Just show me one single passage where Jesus or anyone in the entire Bible taught people to pray to the saints.
@@abideintheWord
according to St Paul, we should keep the traditions and teachings of the apostles and Jesus.
if i can ask you to pray for me why cant i do the same for saints?
@@erc200 you dodged my question. Again, show me one single verse where Paul taught prayer to the (DEAD) saints?
Matthew 22:32
John 5:24
John 11:25
@@abideintheWord
the saints are more alive than we are.
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@@abideintheWord
When I was looking into Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism, what made me say "no" instantly was all the icon worship. There was a protestant looking into EO. He was visiting an EO church in his area. The priest showed him around and at some point, the priest actually kneeled down in front of a candle next to a portrait of a saint and he kissed the candle and the portrait as some sort of "veneration". This was a gigantic idolatry red flag for me. And now I'm just happy not being identified as anything but Christian. I'm neither evangelical, protestant, catholic, EO, calvinist, anabaptist, or anything the like. I wouldn't even be accepted in any of these denominations or churches because I hold many doctrines that are not classified as "orthodox", like open theism or preterism. I'd be considered anathema to many, so meh.
What? Preterm is heresy? Are you serious? Why would you want to hold to such heresy that’s so easily debunked by Scripture? Foolish!
@@abideintheWord Are you saying that preterism is heresy?
Yes it is.
@@abideintheWord It's either Preterism, or CS Lewis is right.
"“Say what you like,” we shall be told, “the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, ‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else.”
“It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.”
― C.S. Lewis, The World's Last Night: And Other Essays
As for me, I don't believe Jesus is a false prophet, nor that he was wrong.
@@EstelleWalter 🤦♂️ This is such bad argumentation.
You ALL think your religion is the correct one yet none of them are. If religion never existed, people would still and DID make some up to try and understand the world around them. No way in the 21st century, with what we know about the universe (and continue to learn about), that Abrahamic religions ESPECIALLY, should be taken as seriously & factual. Every single believer has a different take of the scriptures they follow so that in itself should point out the written hypocrisy and the contradictions like the ones you've been pointing out in this video. That proves this very point. Humanity is more important than what some texts that other humans have written over the centuries for what they believed in at the time. Societies change with the times and the majority of these texts haven't and don't follow that intellectual progression and enlightenment. There are still more enlightenment stages for humanity's future. It's time to move on from brutal bronze age and middle ages group think and focus on provable facts of science and the human condition.
Are you sure about that? Prove it.