Cleaning a Pentair 4000 Series Filter
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2012
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NOTES:
Here I show you how to clean a D.E. filter, Pentair 4000 series. The video is a step by step easy to follow. I apologize for the sound during the 3-5 minute mark, my camera seems to drop off in volume a bit, but you can still hear the instructions and follow the visuals.
Notes: Inspect the grids for any tears, even a small ¼ inch tear will cause the filter to leak DE into the pool.
If the tank o-ring is stretched out even a little, the lid will not go back on and you will need to replace it (part # O-333-9 O-RING TANK 4000 SERIES).
D.E. is toxic in its white powder form, so please wear a mask and take precautions not to inhale the dust.
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Technically yes. You can add the whole 10 lbs bag of DE and a lot of pool guys do. I just use the 1 lb scoop and add 10 scoops. That leaves some DE in the bag still in a 10 lb bag. It's debatable which is the correct method. I like to coat the grids with less DE, other guys like more. The filter seems to run more efficiently with 10 - 1 lb scoops of DE. I have been doing it like this for years with no issues. This is what I would recommend.
If everything looks good then I would wait and do the filter when you want to schedule the 6 month intervals. I do all my filters September and March for weather related reasons mainly, and to get the pool ready just before Summer starts. after you do clean it make a note of where the starting PSI on the gauge is, that way when it goes up by 10 PSI (say from 20 to 30 on the gauge) you will need to backwash it or take it apart if it is at the 6 month mark.
Great video. Just finished cleaning and the spool looks amazing
There are two methods. One is to turn the valve so the spa drain in activated while it is still in pool return mode and you can then brush the dirt into the spa drain. Just be careful not to drain the spa completely down past the drains. The other method is to attach a vacuum to the skimmer and then pull the hose and vacuum over to the spa and drop the vacuum into the spa and then vac it out. If it is getting poor circulation and is cloudy just turn the return to full spa & it will clear up.
If you backwash and the pressure drops to 20 psi then goes back up to 30 psi within a day, you will need to re-clean your filter. How old are the grids?
..okay, I did something stupid. I didn't tighten the band around the two halves of the filter. Once the filetr loaded up and was charged the weakest point in the 'closed" system was the seal on the filter..it started leaking and blowing de out and then the pressure would rise. Easily fixed but I thought I'd break everything down again and see if I'd missed anything else - it is amazing how much the new grids were covered already with green chit from the pool. Cleaned everything up again and she is working fine! Thanks millions for the help/advice/confidence you give us weekend warrior types that try/need to do this ourselves. Any plans to do automatic cleaner performance tuneup tips? I've got a Polaris 280 that was dragging - I cleaned it up a bit and rotated the tires (which I'm replacing soon anyway) it is amazing how much that helped. I hate to spend $200 bucks on a tuneup kit when simple things like that are all you might need. Anyway, thanks again!
I think that is a UA-cam Browser problem. It happens sporadically with some videos. It plays fine on my computer. How was my D.E. amount answer for you? This is a great filter by the way, very easy to clean. Pentair just raised the price by $100 since it is selling so well for them. My favorite D.E. filter type.
Thanks a ton for posting this! Definitely helped me navigate cleaning my filter for the first time!
cool , i got it working now ..thank u bro ..what should i do now when the water is blue but misty ..
The vent tube should stick out over the top manifold (it actually clips to the top manifold). I take it you are making your own tubing. As far as DE 36 sq ft 6 - 1 lb scoops or [8 quarts] . 48 sq ft is 8- 1 lb scoops or [10 quarts], a 60 sq ft is 10- 1 lb scoops or [12 quarts]. You can buy a 1 lb scoop a pool store. Not an exact science since 1 quart = 2 pints = 4 cups which is 32 oz in liquid measurement. A one pound coffee can works great. Been using the 1 lb measurement for years now.
I've been cleaning the filter myself for a few years. But I decided to look up videos, maybe I can improve something.
A minor hassle is putting the clamp back on afterwards, because the space is quite tight.
But the reason why I looked up a video is because I still don't have a strategy to clean the inside of the tank. In the past I would move the manifold up so I can empty the water with a plastic bottle or coffee cup. Today I used 4 rags to soak up the water and got most of the water out. But none of these are good solutions. How do I get the remaining water out when I rinse the tank inside? Does it have to do anything with "backwash". If I move the lever, does it drain the tank? I never moved the lever because it always seemed to be stuck. Today I used a hammer to move the lever.
Yes, that lever can be stiff. I've gotten on my knees and moved it with my foot before also.
Thanks for asking that! New pool owner here and I was having a issue with the stuck lever as well. Was afraid I was doing something wrong but I guess it’s just stiff, I’ll attempt to pull it a lot harder! Haha
thank u man .. what happens when u clean the filter right after u put the d e the and pressure on the meeter move's up pass 30 ?? should i put more d e , so the pressure goes down or ???
You should be fine then. A little extra D.E. won't do any damage. A short backwash will correct it if there is any issue. Now you know how much to add the next time so your good ;)
Well, if the suction is good i.e. you can vacuum with no problem then I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe there was too much DE after all. Backwash it and see if that lowers it and if it stays low. Some filters do run high.
Sounds like your grids are getting old. If they are more than 6 years old they may need to be replaced. Try a good cleaning with the pressure nozzle right up against the grids to see if that helps. But as they get old, they don't clean off well.
So if the suction is still good, you should be able to back wash it and add a few pounds of DE without having to take it apart and clean it, is that right? I moved in to this house a year or so ago and no one knows when the filter was last cleaned, do you think I should just clean it anyway just to be safe even though the pressure seems fine?
Just add some shock to the water or a gallon or 2 of liquid chlorine, that should oxidize the water and clear it up. You may want to run the pool a bit longer too. If it still looks cloudy a few days later try some SeaKlear Clarifier (A video is in the works).
Thank you so much for this video!
I just recently bought a house with the pool and I noticed that there is a lot of dust out by the filter. Where else can I dump the old filter DE? I dont have a drain near by but i assume its illegal since everything in CA is illegal.
hey how long does the vent tube have to be ? and when u clean the filter and put it back, how much d.e white powder should i put in it?
There is a small hole in the bottom manifold that if fits into.
right on , thank u man ..great video too ..
Great video! Thank you!
Hey bro, thanks for your video! My SMBW 4048 was leaking a little trickle in the last year or so but now it's a bigger trickle. Is there an o-ring below the rotor that needs replacing? Or do I need to replace the entire rotor?
+Jeetendra Manghani To get to that o-ring is pretty intensive. If it is just leaking out of the backwash pipe the simplest solution is to get a ball valve and stick it on the end of the backwash pipe and close it. A trickle won't cause any problems with the filtration. Here is an example of what I am suggesting: www.supplyhouse.com/Matco-Norca-770S07-1-1-2-770-PVC-Ball-Valve-Solvent-Ends?gclid=CjwKEAjw7uKwBRDUlJvRo-z6rgMSJACbmSBhTbVOjAuFvHHRCt4IsBA3y1h_8hZOZOvJfQxT7ZvwmBoCoATw_wcB
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hi there my filter is leaking from the drain , what could be the problem ? thanks
Thanks for the video. I learned a lot from you. I have one question. What is the purpose of vent tube? Without it what will happen?
Nothing really will happen without it. It just helps bleed air out of the filter.
Thanks for the information!
Thank you for this video ☺️. Do you know how to remove the bottom manifold to replace? Thank you
Once you have the center rod off it will pull right off. May take a little force to get it off.
!st, thanks very much for the vids, they are very helpful. I have the exact model and size de filter and decided to get a new set of filters. Like chest rockwell, th goes right back up 9very high) within one hour of restarting the pool. I tried to backwash it after reloading the new grid and didn't put any de in at first (I thought I mightve put too much in) and it did the same thing, it went back up to a very high pressure within one hour. I'm thinking about removing and rebuilding the filter set in case I did something stupid. I've dealt with low pressure problems after a thorough celaning but this is a first for high pressure...? Brand new and correct size grids, everything works like textbook for 20-30 minutes and then the pressure rises...? S.O.S. & thks!
You mentioned in your first comment that there was some green algae in the pool. That will tend to make the pressure rise. You can backwash the filter and add more DE or take it apart and clean it again. Algae will stick to the DE and clog up the grids pretty fast. 30 minutes is not unusual. I have a Polaris playlist where I show how to tune up the 280 - generally it just needs new bearings. You can find that playlist on my Channel.
where are the grids located at ?? is that the black thing under the filter ? the thing that holds the filter together ..
Hey thanks for this tutorial! I have a question: Is it common to be a major bear to get the lid back on over the o-ring? I cannot get it on all the way. I have saturated it with silicone spray, I have beat on it with a mallet, I have tried big pliers, nothing can get it closed all the way.
The o-ring might be bad. Try this. Take the top portion back off. Close the backwash valve. Spray the o-ring with silicone and then sit the top back on but don't try to push it on. Now turn the pump back on and when water starts spilling out over the o-ring bottom half quickly turn the pump off and try to push the top back on as gravity sucks the water back down through the pipes. Should work and there is no danger to self.
Hey thanks, awesome tip and I will try that. Thank you! :)
xKmotx It worked! Like a charm! OMG, after beating my brains out (and the clamp) for hours, this was so sweet to watch it suck down over that o-ring! THANK YOU! And God bless! :))
xKmotx Cool.
doe's the vent tube connect to anything in the bottom of the filter ??
How many sq ft was your filter? Half a 25 lb bag means you put in about 12 lbs. If you have a 60 sq ft filter you should be fine. If you have a smaller one, backwash it for 30 seconds and it should be OK.
Sometimes when you clean these filters there is algae and caked on dirt that are coating the grids, especially if there was too little DE in the filter to start with. In that case you should re-clean the filter and spend time with a high pressure nozzle to try and get them really, really clean. If after you do this and the pressure still runs high then your grids are probably old and need replacing. SOMETIMES your filter just runs high too, I have some like that. How low does it usually stay?
It's just a venting tube to let air out of the filter system.
You can hose it into the grass. It won't kill it. Yeah, in the Nanny State (I live here also) D.E. in the street will get you a fine of $500 to $10,000 - I am not kidding.
it's stay's under 30 but then it slowly move's up ...hey where are the grids located at ?? oh so should clean the filter again >? or put more d.e ??
hey bro my pool is getting blue but my jacuzzi is dirty how do i clean the jacuzzi ..??
i put a lil bit over a half a bag ...is that bad
Great video! The black handle that loosens the ring is no longer loosening it. It seems that it is stripped and I need to clean the filter badly. Do you have any recommendations on how to remove it? I've tried using a wrench to try to get it to catch the thread, but is not working. Any help would greatly be appreciated. Thank you.
Inside the black plastic are metal threads. Have you tried using a pair of channel locks at the bottom point and turning it?
I have not. I will doing that and circle back around if unsuccessful. Thanks again.
I tried using the channel locks, but the black knob was too far gone. It was actually cracked. What would you suggest... A new knob, a multi-tork filter socket tool, a replacement clamping ring perhaps? I am now able to turn it with channel locks directly on the bolt, but that will take some time to do. I'd prefer to go with the option that will make taking this apart easier in the future.
Hi David. My pool is green from 2 months of not cleaning it. I followed the Step-by-Step video to how to clean a green pool in 48hrs. I have this filter and I was able to clean the grids by hose and believe I put everything back to together again. When I put the top lid on and tighten the belt, water is spilling out of the center when I have the pool running. I didn't do the backwash thing (didn't know how) and I didn't put D.E. in the filter. I did put shock and chlorine in the pool thinking the filter would be OK. Now the filter spills water and shock and chlorine is sitting in my pool. What do you suggest?
Paul Nguyen Sounds like a bad o-ring. And you need to add DE - Maybe when you replace the o-ring inspect the grids for holes again.
Thank you David!!
Hey Paul, it sound like I am having the same issue. Did replacing the O Ring help?
So you put the clamp on, then turn motor on, and allow another quick backwash, then turn motor off, switch over valve from backwash to reg cycle... Then do you turn motor back on, and bleed till water comes out of bleeder, or do you just leave motor off and bleed till water comes out of bleeder?
Never mind I think I hear the pump going. So its turn off motor, switch backwash to reg mode, turn on motor, bleed till water comes from bleeder, close bleeder, leave motor running and go ad DE
After cleaned the filter, my filter pressure is only 10 psi. Even though I put 100% suction on my cleaner, my robot still move very slow and easily be stopped. Do you know why?
I have the same filter in this video. When pump starts running, I notice there is a little water coming out from my waste pipe. When pump stops, there is no water coming out. What can cost this problem? I don't have the fancy valve that can turn to different position for different purposes. My filter only has two setting - backwash and filter.
Maybe something is caught in the pump impeller. Turn off system, remove pump lid, remove pump basket and take screwdriver and reach in and spin the impeller.
how many scoops did u put in it ?
Instead of opening the drain in bottom can you just backwash it instead before opening filter?
10 1 lb scoops
hey dude ,what doe's that tube do ?
I have a client who has a purex filter and his “bleeder” doesn’t turn to release the air. So how do I clean his filter? What steps do I take to remove his filter top?
Try to replace that. Usually opening the drain does the same thing.
My backwash valve is stuck unfortunately. Any tips on loosening it?
There is not much you can do - If unscrewing the nut and pulling up don't get it off, try wiggling it from side to side to loosen that expanded o-ring. Worst case, remove the filter grids and try to pull that o-ring off with a pair of plyers from the inside of the backwash valve.
so 10 scoops is like the hole bag then ?
the pressure on my tank keeps going up right after i cleaned the filter ..
Hi, I have the same pump but when I try to put the top part back it don’t close, I just bought a new o ring and it just keeps leaking water , also the metal thing that goes around it’s hard to place it
Some help will help, thank yuh
It is possible that the clamp is the wrong brand. I've run into that before. This filter requires a specific clamp band.
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Thank you so much for replying, the thing is that , the new oring is sitting where it belong , when I get the top part and place it on the bottom, I feel like it doesn’t goes all the way down cause of the oring, so it’s not balance right. One side might touch the bottom and the other side might leave a gap.
When I put the clap, same thing , one side closes good and the other side it’s a little gap because it’s not closing right, can it be the oring is to big? Without any oring it goes down good but I don’t want to risk it and throw a lot of water out.
Once again thank you so much. Are you from south California? I’m in Moreno Valley, near riverside. I wish I could get your service because you are awesome!
It could be the wrong o-ring. If it is a Pentair 4000 series the oring should be Pentair 071439 O-Ring Replacement - and lube it up really good. One trick to get it on is with the lid off, turn on the pump and allow the bottom of the tank to fill with water, as it spills over the o-ring turn it off, then put the lid on and move it around and set it on in place. The water in the tank that is draining creates an air pocket that will pull the top lid on securely.
On the filter it says how much amount of DE is required. For a 60 it says 6 ?
That would be 6 lbs.
What holds the rod in place at the bottom of the filter?
The backwash handle rod is threaded into the rotor valve. You can take the rod off by turning it counter clockwise. The rotor valve is built into the bottom of the filter.
Thanks, My wife took it apart. And I needed to put it back. Thanks for the great Videos/ MC
under 30 but right now it goes over 30 and then i have back wash so the pressure could go down .. ?
we have the same series thats on your video..
I tried both methods to get the lid off and both failed. It seems really jammed and I'm not sure what to do. I tried backwashing a little and then I noticed a bunch of nasty dirt in the pool. What can I do now?
It should come off with this method unless there is a lot of air in the system.
@@SPL how do I know if a lot of air in system? My spa is losing water also and this is after replacing the waterway check valve.
I use a flat tool (flathead screwdriver, or small disposable wrench) to separate the top from the bottom. Just a little lift here and there and the top should be easy to take off.
I cleaned my filter, but now every time I turn it on it blows dirt into the pool. What might be the problem?
Could be a grid is torn. Maybe take it apart and inspect them.
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oh, ok now i know , the grids are new , we just got them
no sound starting at about the 3:23 mark
Video good, audio is bad.
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I recently replaced the bottom tank on one of these because the original had cracks. After putting back the bottom manifold, and the center rod, I noticed the rod doesn’t screw in all the way pressing that permanent washer on the rod to the top of the manifold. A slight gap is left. I’m assuming the purpose of that is to hold down the manifold assembly and prevent it from popping up? The reason why I mention this is I notice now that DE shooting back out only when the pump comes on , not when adding DE thru skimmer or when I vacuum any that has recently shot out.
It has to be completely sealed.
Poor audio. Great info but couldn't hear any of it.
Terrible sound quality
Why so much earth? I thought it was 1 scoop per lb? Ex: 48 sq in - 5 scoops