The Last Wild Apache
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2023
- On September 4th, 1886, the mighty Apache leader Geronimo surrendered to the U.S. Army. The last American Indian warrior to formally surrender to the United States. And with him, so went the Indian Wars. The buffalo were gone, the railroads and churches were here to stay, and the wild west was - for the most part - over. But what if I were to tell you that not all of the Apache surrendered and that there were a few holdouts that not only continued to live free but continued to make war with their enemies as well? For the next 45 years! This is the true story of the last of the free and wild Apache. #apache #wildwest #history
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These dates seem so long ago until I remember my grandfather was born in February, 1887 , served in WWI and passed when I was 5 yrs old at age 78. My other grandfather was born in 1901 and passed in 2002. It really drives home how young our country is and how close in time the "old west" is. Great content as usual!!👍✌😎
If a person = 100 years then we are like 20-21 people away from when Julius Caesar was killed.
Quite mad that I can go out and in a half hour visit someplace people have lived for over 2000 years America is quite young if you don't include native American history. Oh I was talking about Edinburgh 🏴
@@arejaycee5704 I spent 2yrs in Europe in the mid 80s and have always regretted not making it to the UK. You are quite fortunate to be able just to stand in a farm field that has been worked for century upon century. You have buildings older than my country! I do envy you that.✌😎
@@CmdrMoosicvsLounge It is quite amazing having so much history on the doorstep Sometimes I have to admit that we take it for granted and its not until someone points out how lucky we are that you begin to appreciate again what you have Aw the best 🏴👍🏴
Mine was born in 1849 .
One of Geronimo's warrior who most likely escaped the exodus to Florida was Adelnietze! You can find some pics online of him. Really proud & fierce Apache.
My mother has some of the greatest Apache bloodlines that has been recorded. Her mother was the last Chiricahua Apache prisoner of war born in US captivity in Ft Sill Oklahoma in 1912. She was the great granddaughter of Victorio and Mangas Coloradas and the granddaughter of US Chiricahua Apache scout Charles Martine Sr, who found Naiche and Geronimo for the last time in Mexico in 1886. Her husband was also descended for 2 Chiricahua chief's, Mangas Coloradas and Loco and another Chiricahua Apache US scout Paul Guydelkon Sr. My grandmother was descended from Mangas through his son Carl Mangas and my grandfather through Mangas from hisbother son Seth Mooda. I am half Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache and also part Norwegian.
That is quite the lineage
@WildWestExtravaganza There is a book called Apache Mothers and Daughters by Ruth Boyer and Narcissus Gayton. I was a pallbearer at Narcissus' funeral, she helped my grandmother Evelyn Martine raise my mom and Evelyn's siblings. Evelyn is the baby on the cover of the book pictured with her mother Lilian Mangas and half sister Beshade.
My wife's family lives in Apache Junction Arizona. And when I'm there , my in-laws claim there are still bands of Apache living the old ways out in the Superstition Mountains. I don't believe any of that. But They still claim it. I have done some hiking out there, and have been to the cave , that is supposed to be the hideout for the Apache Kid . Anyway, great episode as always.
Thanks Josh, man some people's tenacity blows me away
Just incredible.... I have never heard this,,,have you Americans? What bloody stories,,,,Thank you so much, they are stories that should not be forgotten....
I am 50 % Yaqui. Many of whom joined Apache in Southwest. My family became White at the First census lol! Some census takers put Mexican Some put WHITE. But they stopped speaking Spanish in 1800's.
Course Yaqui never surrendered to Mexico until 1920. Apache and Yaqui unmatched!!!! Courage and Grit. Heart.
"There was a door to which I had no key
There was a veil through which I could not see
Some talk, a little while, of thee and me
There seemed, and then, no more of me or thee."
So disappointed the newer episodes don't have the rolled R's! Bring it back!!!!
Apache& Comanche were scary freken dudes! The Comanche Apache wars had to be bloody, wish we had more info on that. Thanks Josh your Rockin it with what your doing always look forward to your show! T.C.B. 🤟
You are correct when you say life ain't easy. I enjoyed this episode. I appreciate all your research. More people should listen to your podcast.
Thank you
Right on love the story it's all good keep up the awesome work and rest in piece Betty White
As a apache Legend goes they Fled Alaska cause it was a Volcano erupted and they travel down to where they located are now. What I've been told my older family members
Ah, thank you
I'm currently reading a thesis by Dr. Cook, that you've linked in your previous video on the bronco Apaches. This is a fascinating subject. Settlers vs. Apaches during the time my grandpa (b. 1919.) was a kid, probably playing cowboys & Indians with his friends. I love learning about such stuff. And kudos to you Josh for making great content and spreading good vibes and positivity.
Read the book, The First Hundred Years of Nino Cochise. He was the leader of a large band of Apache that survived in northern Mexico well into the 1920s. Also read, Mickey Free: Manhunter.
Thanks Josh, the end was terrific ❤ Love the skepticism.
Love it!! Great as alway!! Ty!!
I just found your channel 2 days ago and have watched it every since then. I really have enjoyed the history and your sense of humor , keep up the good work. ATB to you.
Awesome, thank you!
Let's do this....thanks for the work Josh
Great job mr. Josh👍. Enjoyed as always✌
Thanks WE
I understand the dream of last survivors as a young boy, and as I am living on Guam in the mid 70's, two Japanese soldiers came out of the jungle, thinking the Great War was still going on. I guess you never know, just keep dreaming.
Yeah that's an insane story;
Wait. That doesn`t make sense. I am not calling you a liar, let me make that clear. I do not disrespect others. But The Great War is WWI. But even if you meant WWII in the comment, the 1970`s would make a Japanese soldier how old? 50ish? How do the men eat or drink? How do they hide in the jungle that long and never see a jet aircraft or the jungle shrink due to construction? How do they even have clothes to wear? cotton khakis fall apart within a few weeks in the jungle, and might fall apart in 1week of heat, sweat, humidity and sawgrass. It is basically impossible for what you said to be true. Think about that. I know that some Japanese soldiers hid in bunkers for a year, roughly before coming out to see what was going on. Those few could not survive any longer and came out to see who was around and were dying of starvation and thirst. If what you say is true, they are not humans.
I know it sounds crazy but some of those Japanese soldiers were extremely hardcore. Google Shoichi Yokoi. He finally surrendered in 1972. There were others, I believe, one who didnt surrender until 1974. His commanding officer actually had to come tell him it was over.
@Gib59er starve, no water? I take it you haven't spent time in the Mariana Islands? Now, truly, I lived on Guam, Wake, Tinian, and Siapan as a boy. I know it was one of them. I put together Guam because I correlate it with the building of the largest McDonald's in the world at that time. But I'm old now and and some things run together.
@@whatyaworkingontoday5018 If I have insulted you, I am sorry, and I did not intend to. I am getting up there in years myself sir. And I am not very happy about that!! For me, it is the fact that I am not as fast or strong now. Up in the noggin I am still good and sharp most of the time. I wish you good health sir!!
Always enjoy your comedic spurts/outtakes on these great stories. Bn a bit since I’ve listened? But catchin up! I had the flashes of the Tom Berringer movie myself, right as you mentioned it. & yes, I had the same thought process as you did, back when I was a young’un. Finding that elusive tribe of Indians out n the woods of Crowley’s Ridge in NE Arkansas. Especially when we’d find a few arrowheads around our family farm. Thx, & keep up the great work Josh!
Welcome back!
Well done Josh, that was a very enjoyable listen ,thanks ,love your style, you have a great way of telling us what you have found out , really gd thanks mate !
I appreciate that! Thank you
Great Episode! 👍 keep ‘‘em coming!
Imma try
Wow that was a fascinating episode Josh.
This is absolutely on of my favorites Chanel’s on YT.
Thanks Big John!
Its always been that way. To know that these things happened so close to our lives is beyond insurmountably important
Awesome video you rock keep up the good work
Thanks!
Thanks enjoyed this presentation.
Thanks Edward
Josh I just found your channel a few weeks ago. Subbed immediately. Love how you deliver the content, which is great. I think you might possibly be a space lizard as you have a very similar style to that certain comedian, who I friggin love. I’ve kinda binge watched most of your stuff. Please keep up the great work.
Hail Nimrod.
Pretty fascinating Josh. Thanks
Thanks Randy
Like always great stuff
Thank you!!
Keep It Wild!
josh I've just discovered your channel and I must say I LOVE IT.. your storytelling is GREAT and the fact that you sound like Danny Mcbride doesn't hurt either... keep on keepin on...
Thanks Tim!!!!
That’s crazy about the Apache having an Athabaskan bloodline. I thought you made a mistake because I thought Athabaskans were only in Alaska. Low and behold, I was wrong again…but I never would have guessed they traveled so far, or so recently. Thank you so much for this enlightening and entertaining channel!
Josh this is why i get up on Wednesday enjoy your style
Excellent, thank you. Very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great stuff. "Streets of Laredo" is my favorite of the LD books and mini-series.
It's s good one!
Your description of Paranormal Activity and how it operates in our room was spot-on. That's exactly how it works in there are things..... That Go Bump in the night. Appear to those with eyes to see.
Once again, well effin' said!
Awesome podcast my brother 🚜🇮🇪👊💚
Thanks Paddy
Awesome !
Thank you!
I’m Apache. However, I am grateful for the message of Salvation through Jesus Christ…..🙏🏽✝️🇺🇸💪🏼
Good Stuff
You're just so damned good at this. Your careful research, your honesty, your personal vulnerability, and your willingness to admit when you screw up and correct yourself: these are some of the reasons I enjoy your channel. Sometimes you've p*ssed me off, but mostly, you teach me and you make me think. Thank you.
Thank you!
Thanks Josh!! AHO!
Aho
Fuck yes!! Perfect bedtime story after work.
Love the intro
Dude you're so funny when you wanna be very informative love your narration
Bravo
❤Crazy horse ❤️Sitting bull ❤️Geronimo
great work as always brother josh!....i didn't know any of this....and i've read a lot about the apaches.....one question... what about the indian "Ishi" who came out of the woods of northern California...i think it was the 20's....which even this is later...i think......i can't find my book about Ishi....very cool as always bud!
I hope to do an episode on Ishi in the future.
@@WildWestExtravaganza the interweb says Ishi came out in 1911....so these guys were much latet...thanks man! great work as always!
Josh - I should have been in bed long ago - but your Apache tale is well worth staying awake for.
Get some sleep
Agreed I was late to work to finish the C@
Great information and story telling. My GG-Grandmother was Kiowa-Apache she was born in 1875 and died in 1957.
N'de is pronounced (In Day).
My dad had 11 brothers an sisters in 1924 an my grand dad was born in 1849 . We lived way out in the country when I was a child . An I can remember my dad making sure the windows had shutters with a covered gun port an plenty of water . We all knew how to shoot an one day I asked my dad why we are doing all that . I said the Indians are all on the reservation . Then he told a story about a neighbor from 8 years back an he said they thought that to an it might be true but im not them an im not taking any chances with my family .
Wildly entertaining and informative
I had a conversation once with a friend about when the Wild West ended. My position was the history books and the government say one thing but reality says something else. In other words, the Wild West ended when the Apache said so.
Only thing sadder here is I don't see a video dedicated on Geronimo his life ... Can we get one??
Yep, hopefully soon
I saw a documentary recently that said N Dee is pronounced just the way it looks, “indee”. Not sure if the emphasis is on the first or second syllable. Great show as usual. I love your content, your humor and your humility.
Thanks Steve
‘Dene’ are the farthest north group of Indians east of the Rockies up to the tree line roughly. There is a huge lake in NE alberta and NW Saskatchewan called ‘lake athabasca’ and a lovely river system called the same. The river starts in jasper national park…
My mom was born 1937 in Ft. McKavett ..she use to tell me indians were shooting arrows over her wen she was born..lolol
If the natives could of put their differences aside, and united in the early 1800s. Things would be much different today. But unfortunately, we still cannot get along. 😞
Can you believe that there is still a small band of Apache in the Mexican mountains.. Look it up.. recently even
Excellent : They were survivors : Let me know if or when you research Lozen , Apache Medicine Woman .
Wow, id been out of high school a year when that wild born Appache woman passed away! That really gives an interesting perspective to how while it may seem like a very loooong time ago during the mid 1800's and wild frontiers until now. But its really not that long at all!
Crazy huh?
There are still Indians Apache and Yaqui who still live in the mountains of Northern Mexico that live in the 1880’s…crazy to think
In 1933 two famous politicians took power in their nations. FDR introduced his New Deal in March. Before that, a certain Austrian artist founded his Third Thousand-Year Empire.
Yeah..
Always endeavor to persevere.
Always
Modern Apache's have said there is a lost tribe between Jerome AZ and Williams AZ
Yush
Do a video on IRA Hayes, the Pima Indian who raised the flag on Iwo Jima and the three quarter Cherokee Indian, Ernest Evans, the skipper of USS Johnston.
Ernest Evans took the USS Johnston of Taffy 3 vs the Japanese Central Force of four battleships, eight cruisers and 12 destroyers. The USS Johnston bested a heavy cruiser, Kumano with torpedoes by blowing her bow off. Evans won Congressional Medal of Honor posthumously.
So i may conclude if you edit, it's not thesis-es, but theses. You da fg bomb. Love yo azz.
I'm dumb
@@WildWestExtravaganza BullFgShit. You da Bombardier!
Where are the links to the two thesis?
They're in the video description
Hitchcock actually started directing movies in 1922
Geronimo was not a chief he was a medicine man just wanted to add that little bit in there but I get what you’re going for.
There’s still wild natives that live in the Grand Canyon!! The government knows they are there and keeps the tourists away from them.
Dang how did you find out the secret?
Watched alot of your videos and I like your fact checking, I would like to know how factual the book 'watch for me on the mountain' is. A book about geronimo, at the end of the book it says geronimo took the last apache braves into the Sierra madras who wanted freedom, before he finally surrendered, and was shiped to the east.
(These chirichua apache, beeing what u talk of in this video)
Come on bloody beaver get up a bio of the last apache war chief, geronimo.
Much love josh from england, and deadwood is better than the sopranos,.. both amazing did you know the sopranos was based on the decavalcante family that operated i. New jersey the same time as the show was on tv.
Maybe a alternate future video.
Anyway till the next extraviganza,...
Hang Di!! Bro
Didn't you already do this topic?
If there are survivors of the Broncos Apaches today , and there are always survivors , they are Hackers : True warriors of a Chaotic time . Now that's worth looking into . They are there
we are what we do....
Excellent. You gotta just get back up
Every time
What happened to the tatonkas?
WOW 😢 you kinda brought a little tear thank you your awesome dude. About the apache. I want everyone to imagine being with your family and knowing that their are 1000s of men trained men out there that want to kill your whole family that spouse you can't live without those baby's that are you made again. Then those people show up and nothing is left but you. General custer made a career of it he would invade the villages and leave no one not just the enemy aka warriors but the women the children everyone. If that was you you would turn into a killer. The enemy in Iraq fought just like the native Americans yes we would save or last round just in case. You don't get captured. When you star losing the people of your hart like your buddies it turns you into the darkness you don't want to know and that's why we do it so you never know. Sorry Josh for being so long but thanks again brother don't worry my mom before she died nicknamed me iron man because she says I always get back up
Dude… what language Are you speaking
@@JoeSmith-sl9bq what do you mean
I guess that's an insult it's ok nice to meet you
@@Wilson-fm4lg All the positive vibes I have go out to you. Disregard negativity from people who have zero manners as they don't count in your life. Rock of the Marne!🙏✌😎
@@CmdrMoosicvsLounge positive vibes back at you. I do ignore them. Thanks for your advice have an awesome day.
Is this a reupload or am I experiencing deja vu
Nvm the first 5 minutes were really familiar for some reason but after that I could tell I didn’t hear this before haha
No, you're correct. I added a new intro and outro and remixed the audio.
Uh i aint got no sound on the video
Uh oh. I just checked on a few different apps and it's working on my end
Isn't that Geronimo on the far right of the photo? & who are the other three?
Yep, I don't know who the others are unfortunately
Cheers Josh
That spanking is going to have to wait, she’s been dead a couple of years
Never say never
The bronco apache are still around just kinda blended with modern times. Most have all the things like birth certificates and tax numbers. A good number of us still around that never surrendered to anyone. My grand father rode with jeronimo. We come and go from modern times as we wish
Its the seminole indians from florida that is actually the only tribe to never surrender to the united states. To this day they havent. Idk how true that is or if there are even any seminoles around anymore. I just remember hearing it in a doc some time ago
I don't know about that but check out the Black Seminoles in Texas
@@WildWestExtravaganza ill do that. I know those ones came from slaves wscaping into the swamps of florida where the seminoles lived and the runaways lived and bred with them.
Sad, but we never got to hear who the sponsor was for this video... Damnit
Huh?
@@WildWestExtravaganza You always take a min to introduce us to all your fine sponsor's .. Its like the highlight of the video for me.. 🙂 😛
About your question as to why that life appeals to you or why it appealed to white people of the past: idk for sure, but I can tell you I grew up real poor. Raised by a single mom, an addict, living in a trailer, every winter our pipes would bust like clockwork and we'd be without water, and eventually without heat. We'd often go without food, often go without a vehicle and certainly never had a reliable vehicle. At the same time, sometimes we had to sleep in the vehicle because we couldn't stay at our house for some reason (I was young idk what the circumstances were.) I say this not to over share but to say, it may sound like growing up like that was rough. It certainly wasn't easy. But one thing me and my brother agree on (neither one of us carried on the cycle mind you) is that we never questioned that mom loved us. We always felt loved, always felt connected. And speaking for myself, freedom was a HUGE sense I grew up with. We were outside the law in so many ways. Outside almost every societal norm. Sometimes when I'm at work, I find myself looking out the window and seeing the sunshine and think "What I wouldn't give to be out running the roads, pushing pulls with mom, never having an alarm clock to wake up to and never being restrained by anybody." Would I go back if I could? Nah. Wh*res baths and survivng weeks on literally a loaf of bread and jar of peanut butter between three people loses its appeal after you've had normalcy. But it took me a LONG time to develop the taste for normalcy. Coming from a life that felt so free and unrestrained, I barely noticed the rough spots. Probably because starving and freezing and going without was normal, and I was never myself an addict or tortured with the things mom surely was, God rest her soul. But the thing that's been hardest for me to let go of, is the sense of loss of that freedom. I imagine any outlaw knows exactly what I'm talking about. I think it's why criminals of all levels do what they do. I think it's why survivalists go off grid. There's just something wickedly freeing about being free. Free in the way that the world doesn't effect you and doesn't chain you down. Sure in reality we were chained down by a lot of bad circumstances and decisions, and the Apache were chained down by a lot of the same and worse. But I'm here to tell you if you grow up suffering, it doesn't feel like suffering. It feels like "Here we go again, we know what to do." But for me, I was indeed very aware that reality and society seemed to have no bearing and no power over what went on in our neck of the woods. And I loved it, and all the consistency and financial stability and being able to live a life mom couldn't give us has never brought back that feeling of being absolutely free. So yeah I can see people getting fed up with civilized life, and choosing to live a life that while harder physically, and more dangerous, was charscterized by a sense of community and actual freedom that man made agreements and laws could really never duplicate. Societal freedom feels like the polite face we put on for strangers. Being outside of it, regardless of hardships, feels like the real thing. That's my guess.
Josh, Tujunga is pronounced more like "Tuhung uh" than "Tuyoung uh" just trying to help you out.
Ah, thank you!
There were no winners
Hey I just heard of this apache woman named Lozen. Its an interesting story, you probably know of her already. I don't know if there is enough info out there on her for an episode but maybe you could find out more than me.
I'll try!
@@WildWestExtravaganza hells yeah
@@WildWestExtravaganza Ghost Warrior by
Lucia Robson St Clair is about Lozen. It’s pretty accurate as most of the info comes from interviews with James Kaywakla (?) who was a little boy with Geronimo’s band at the end when they were captured and sent to Florida. Interestingly, James was the youngest Native American sent to the infamous Carlisle Indian School.
Gringo is a foreigner that wasn't Hispanic. Remember the first cowboys were Mexican vaqueros.
That is all Greek or foreign to me is what gringo means.
Freedom!!! That is why Josh why we dream about it . Nothing free about this civilized supposed mess
Gonna have to disagree with you on there is no place in North America for a tribe to be and not be seen.... Some 95% of Canada is more or less empty land, and most of that is ideal land, not to mention Alaska... Which is also mostly uninhabited.... In the lower 48 I'd say your 100% correct... Blanket statements rarely work, otherwise great video
I didn't say that there's no place in North America for a tribe to be and not be seen, I said that there's no primitive tribes still living free and wild on the North American continent. Big diffence but otherwise a great comment.
@@WildWestExtravaganza six of one half dozen of the other respectfully. If there is that much basically empty space chances are there could be primitive people living there. They discover tribes in south America all the time, difference is no one is even looking in North America lol. I know you hate unverifiable stuff being a history guy but the area around the nahanni valley in the northwest territory of Canada would be a good place to start... Before it became a national park almost every person to go into the valley didn't come out, and there have been more modern stories of people just disappearing... It would be a great thing to do a video on, most of the crazy stuff happened around 1890's-1969
Great video though. Been listening since the bloody beaver days lol
Oh I get what you mean...there are a bunch of very remote places - like you said especially in Alaska & Canada. I have no doubt there are people living in such areas illegally... trappers and hermits and stuff. But for a small group of primitive uncontacted people to ha e remained uncontacted in this day and age with drones, helicopters, game wardens, oil & gas geologists, logging companies, hunters & hikers...I find it very very very unlikely. Is it possible? Sure. But I don't think they're out there. I could be wrong, though! Would be very cool.
The Apache did what? We should cancel the- Oh wait
This was confusing as to the last wild apache