My friend Emma who is totally blind would have great difficulty negotiating a street trying to do the hundred yards hurdles over these things. Yes the council had better have the best lawyers in the country.
@@gasgas2689 I'm sure she has came over uneven slabs that stick up more than that. At 20mm high, this cable tidy is very slim. Well done to the manufacturer
Nonsense, absolute twaddle. This is old dinosaur thinking. Dear me. Instead of taking the power to the battery, the latest small EVs take the battery to the power. These exist. Battery on wheels, remove from car and wheel inside for charging. That's a now thing. Problem solved.
Germany just gave permission for power companies to turn off or limit power supplies to people with ev chargers or heat pumps...grid can't cope and the green nonsense policies prevent the needed nuclear generation its complete denial of reality
@@Fercough that's a great idea if you have somewhere to wheel the battery to, an EV battery is most of the floor area and usually weigh over half a ton, and the connectors would have to be idiot proof, the system would cost loads and people would complain about it all. Even small batteries are heavy, drag it up a few steps, no thanks.
The biggest Issue I have with this isn't anything to do with trailing cables etc etc (or anything you did with the install) but rather something far more fundamental especially when it comes to EV charging generally. In the UK you do not have the right to park on the road outside your house (with a few exceptions such as designated disabled bays). Even in those areas with permit parking the permit doesn't always say you can park in a specific spot rather it covers an area where you can park.
My parents have a terraced house with a disabled bay outside The council refuses to grant planning permission for a gully outside. That's quite annoying as I could get a cheap EV with less range when going to visit them
@waqasahmed939 I saw a UA-cam video of an electrical engineer installing a EV charger and legally running a cable along the pavement via an approved "ramp". Sorry the correct word escapes me.
the people DON'T need to charge their vehicles, the people need brains! if a vehicle needs hours to refuel and you don;t have your own storage space for the vehicle and/or the fuel, then don't buy such vehicle.
So what’s your answer to all the fleet companies that businesses use to lease vehicles for their staff who are now only leasing electric cars? It’s not always people buying them, it’s what they are supplied by the companies they work for for
@@sotaelectrical oh, if we only had vehicles that can be refueled in minutes without the need to store them when refueling or own special infrastructure in order to refuel them... oh wait, their called engine-vehicles and run on combustable fluids! EVs are a scam! They don't work. They will make pollution worse. EU has forbidden any other tech for powering vehicles, thus is not about saving the environment but is about making money and funking us over in the process, 'cause an EV will always be tethered.
What happens if somebody decides to park their vehicle outside a house with a charger installed . If the home owner has not had the kirb dropped by the council he has no legal right to the space outside the house and cannot ask the other vehicle to move while he charges his vehicle .Yet another cause for arguments .
While you may be able to get away with parking on a dropped kerb in some cases, it’s not worth taking a chance. The £90 fine you could receive is much higher than you would pay for parking in a proper car park.
You cannot do that Town Police Clauses Act 1827 it us an offence to obstruct the highway a footpath/pavement is part of the said highway love to see the civil litigation when someone trips and gets injured it will be down to the company that installed it.
I'm not sure what the courts would make of an accident, as councils themselves are not required to fix pavements where slabs are raised (or sunk) up to a 1" (25mm) difference. Logically, why should a cable and ramp (as used to prevent trips in many offices), of no more than 1" height be considered a different hazard?
That's the only way it's going to work though. He can't have anyone parking outside his house or he'll be unable to charge. The council should make it easier to install a post and cut into the paving to hide the cable.
@@sargfowler9603 Tbh it depends on your neighbours too. People on my parent's street understand that they can get the spot outside their home most of the time but it is a free for all. There's no guarantee of having a spot. Hopefully you could get longer cabling though when you can't charge directly outside
@mrmonkey2214You can simply drive to an ev charger and charge it there, in much the same way petrol and diesel cars need to be driven somewhere to be refuelled. It’ll take 10 minutes longer, granted, and cost only slightly less than petrol, but it’s still an option. No ev owner parks at their house without enough charge to get to their preferred charger in the same way you don’t park up without enough fuel to get to the nearest petrol station. It’s just they they can charge at home and unless you have a diesel chip fat plant in your garage, you can’t.
@@sotaelectrical The words considerate and people dont always go hand in hand unfortunately. Some people (and I sometimes have arguments with the Mrs over this) dont like others parking in front of their house as they think its their personal space on a non roped kerb. I personally dont mind as long as they dont park to close to the drive as it makes it awkward to go in and out.
Times change. You need to adapt. Complaining will get you nowhere. I'm sure if there was a comments section in the 50s "I can see it now, our streets will be full of cars and there will be nowhere to park".
Technically the council can't approve running cables across the footpath as, as mentioned in another comment, it is against part of the Highways Act. I guess what council is saying they will choose not to prosecute under that Act. Will be interesting if a Karren chooses to bring a private prosecution.
This is my first view of your channel and immediately you look like a very good sparky. Thoughtful, efficient, tidy, knowledgeable and safe. Your client should be pleased with that job. Brilliant. Great video.
They should have dropped the curb and parked in the front garden. Off street parking would have added value to the property and guaranteed a parking spot near their charger.
This isn't aimed at you in anyway, I know you're just trying to earn a living and working within the guidelines provided. But for the council to approve this sort of solution is ridiculous, as someone who is ambulant disabled, | would 100% consider that a trip hazard. Interesting the council are basically passing all liability onto the EV owners, it will be equally interesting to see future legal cases and reactions of cable owners when someone enviably trips and ends up injured. Normal home insurance won't cover injury liability, particularly on a public highway/footpath, whilst I anticipate home insurance to increase do to EVs, since car insurance already has. I'm also surprised given most charging will be done in the evening, dark outside of summer months, that there isn't a requirement for the cable/cover to be lit in someway, even if the height of the cover is "minimal", it's not flat and remains a hazard. Councils are a joke, happy to push the nonsense of the EV / Net Zero agenda, but want nothing to do with the infrastructure or the safety of it, almost like they know the agenda is BS.
I spent 22yrs as a telecoms engineer & hated installations on 99% in & on the property we surface laid out cables/wiring, what you did on this task was bloody brilliant 👍 I bet you come across many a fit that appears to have been done by Jonny aged 3!!! I bet a few of those pavement cable covers will be stolen over time
Thank you very much!! Yeah I do come across many installations like that!! Yeah maybe so, I dont understand the mentality of some people to be honest regarding theft, absolutely no need for it. Thank you for commenting and watching!! Really appreciate it!! 👍👍
Not sure how prevalent it is now but probably about 10sh years ago, I’m guessing a bit there, but we went through a major issue with thieves robbing & not just from yards etc, we had during daytime hours several miles of aerial cable being stripped off poles, they would turn up with a hoist & supporting vehs & just drive down the route taking the cable down, another major problem that usually happened at night, they’d open an underground chamber , tie chains around the cables, tie them to a vehicle & just drive away tripping the cables straight out of the ducts!!
Yup, and when the cover/ramp is stolen and someone trips over the cable, the house owner is liable. Really don't think this is the long term solution to this problem.
Quality video and great install 👌🏻. The problem is the obvious thing every electrician worth their salt has been banging on about for almost 10 years now, the infrastructure is not in place for mass ev. I'm having a charge point installed at my house in two weeks, but I wouldn't even consider it if I lived in a terraced property with no driveway. Again though great video 👍🏻
Hi mate, thanks very much!! Yeah I know, it’s going to be an interesting journey over the next few years! Thanks for watching also mate, really appreciate it 👍👍 have a great Christmas
@peteygti1 Initially it may do, but like everything else, they are not doing this to help us, the consumer. They want a slice of the action and also, like food prices, they will have control over the costs of the service they provide and when prices increase or, rarely, decrease. It's the same with fuel prices. Currently, supermarkets are more expensive than the independent garages, ( I'm not talking about the major named petrol stations here). The infrastructure isn't there and as others have said, there are many concerns about this.
Would it be a good idea to advise your homeowner insurance carrier that you are putting a potential trip hazard across the public pavement outside your home? Also, presumably there is a risk of a damaged cable causing electric shock, the damage could be caused by vandalism, the liability remains the responsibility of the property/vehicle owner.
Firstly as a gas engineer my butt was clenching when I saw the run, but you installed it perfectly. I would say you are going to see people converting their gardens to driveways...you need to team up with a builder 😂
Applied , 2 grand plans +application + re try as only one off road allowed +numerous drainage landscaping stipulations quote now 40 grand + did about 2thousand miles last Yr
Wouldn't it have been better to have got way leave and put a channel in the pavement? Perfectly flat then. A blind person can still trip over these rubber strips.
Would make sense for the council to install a channel into the paths from fence to gutter say 50mm deep x 50mm wide covered with a checker plate hinged lid. Have the owner apply for an install and a 1 off payment maybe ? Or add an annual "charger channel access" fee to their rates. So yes, there might be one channer per house eventually. Would be easy install if the channel was one piece galv channel with a flange that they could anchor to the cement. All they'd need to do is channelout 50 wide x 50 deep and sink it in between the cut out, anchor it at each and and Bobs your uncle.
Trials and Tribulations of EV ownership. Add in massive depreciation. General inconvenience. And fire risk. Good idea in theory. Terrible idea in reality, with current technology. And ICE cars are only a tiny percentage of polluters in the grand scheme. No infrastructure to generate the green electricity. So mostly charging using dirty energy. Cart before the horse. In so many places now. Car chargers being installed, by councils, powered by Diesel generators. Even Tesla. Whole current set up a joke. Nice neat install. But the information in your video just helps to highlight the non functional process of owning an EV.
I wonder how long that charger will last . Maybe 2 years. My mate is on his 3rd one in less than 4 years . My charger for my ICE car is over 60 years old . It doesn’t need apps no electronics inside. and it works great
the biggest problem i have is the belief that a home owner owns the street outside the property. if some one parks in the spot they have no legal redress. this will cause problems or with the councils use this as a way to charge for parking on a public street to ensure the parking spots for property owners.
I have a drive for 2 cars but had a skip for a couple of days so only space for 1 temporarily - my wife's car as she has the kids. I came home from work and parked in the only space available at the time, outside someone else's house where 99% of the time they park their van. I went out later that evening and noticed he'd come home and decided to park across my drive in retaliation, blocking my wife in. At this point there were a number of other places he could have parked, but he did this instead. It forced me to knock on his door and tell him to move it, to which him and his neurotic wife came back with a rant about how inconsiderate I was to park in THEIR space. They told me to move my car first and on principle I refused - it wasn't their space - and told them to use one of a number of other spaces right near to it. They refused to move the van. The council and the police both told me to 'go whistle' when I tried to get help. The arrogance and entitlement of some people when it comes to parking is staggering. It was a one-off event and they threw a total meltdown over it!
Thank you so much. I really enjoy making videos so I make the extra effort I get good shots while I work. Thanks for watching and best wishes for Xmas 👍👍
Councils and the government ARE helping ... to make our lives as BLOODY AWKWARD AS POSSIBLE!! I have zero respect for the decision makers, pen pushers and jobsworths that only serve the councils.
Very interesting. Do you know anything about why SSE started reporting concerns? News coverage is low in details on the subject. Street lights dimming? Low voltage issues? Units being arched or melted? ( You can tell I'm no electrician). Also enjoyed how long your pre amble was to reduce the expected shouty comments.
A typical new EVs range might do a typical commute for a fortnight. So it's less of a worry. Plus the person who hasn't parked within streets of their house, isn't buying an EV at the moment. Looks like quite a middle class terrace and I bet it's less cramped with less parking issues than another might be.
@@Lewis_Standing for average UK mileage, it's more like once a week and twice if an extra, longish journey is thrown in during that week. It should be possible for most people to park outside their own house that often.
First of all great video of the installation & well explained however I do need to correct you on something. Throughout the video you kept on saying you were fitting an eV charger which is in fact not correct & to the layman could be misleading. What you were fitting is an electric vehicle charging point. The reason I differentiate is because the battery charger is actually fitted in the vehicle when manufactured. I am sure you will know how the system works but for the layman when a vehicle is connected to a (charge point) the vehicle & charge point comunicate with each other to check the connection is OK & also to work out what size of charger is fitted to the vehicle & what amperage the charge point is capable of supplying. example if a fast charger is fitted to the vehicle but the charge point is not capable of supplying enough current or vise versa, through the communication between the two they will automatically adjust to keep things safe. Kind regards jeremy.
Hi Jeremy, thank you for watching and for your comments, I am fully aware that the EV chargers are actually electric vehicle charging equipment, however, the common term for the equipment is chargers, this is very hard to undo and I do talk about this in a previous video explaining this. It would become very tiresome if I brought this up in every video but I do appreciate you pointing this out.
My issue with this, ignoring all arguements about cables crossing pavements, is simply this. I live in a terraced house with no driveway. A lot of people park in our street and i get to park outside my house maybe once or twice a week if im lucky. Most of the time Id never get to charge my car because i cant get close enough for the cable to reach.
Unless you do an unusually high mileage, that might not be such a problem. I do a slightly higher than average UK mileage and only need to charge once or twice a week.
In situations like this you probably need the council to install lamppost chargers so you can charge anywhere on your street. Unfortunately they do tend to be rather more expensive than using your own electricity.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Hahahaha 😂😂😂 I don't know where you live, but it appears not to be on earth. But on the UK South coast here in the real world, our district council is approximately 18 months from bankruptcy and can't even afford to have street lights on after 11pm. And the county council has something like an £11.5 million deficit in highways and can't afford to repair potholes that in some roads round here, look like ww2 bombed runways. The police are being cut, libraries are being cut, public space maintenance is being cut, street lights are being turned off at night, rubbish collections are being reduced etc etc. There is more chance of me suddenly turning into a bright pink pumpkin and floating to mars than there is of any investment in local infrastructure. 😂😂😂
My first thought was of a completely blind person. Why isn't it the type, made of metal and fitted flush to the payment? Then there is the problem of parking, you might park there BUT its not yours. Someone else could be parked there! There's also the warranty issue. Does the manufacturer have to be involved? What protects a live cable during charging, laying in full view by your car? This whole idea is full of risks. Councils need to provide answers, its their responsibility DONT make it yours. Me? I wouldn't want to get involved without full written agreement from the council-that could take years! So I'd walk away. Dont need the trouble I can see coming down the line. Dont need that kind of work. All I can see is liability.
I always wondered how you would charge if you had no driveway, but this has confirmed what I wanted. We are buying a house and every house we have seen, has a driveway as we are planning to get a hybrid car in a few months time. But have a driveway will just make it easy to charge. While it might not be a problem now but could be if every house decides to do this... Wires on the pavement is just asking to be sued.
@@sammorrisuk4584Your house would be as firmly affixed to the floor as it ever was. You’re not going to lose or loose your house over a trip claim unless you’re a complete fool. The mitigation that the authorities gave you permission would see the case against you so weakened that their lawyer would flip from “trying to win” to “milk every £ out of them and drag this out indefinitely” with you having to respond to about three motions a year until they are skint.
Looks like someone has at least tried to come up with a workable solution. There will always be someone who will pop pop any possible solution but sometimes one has to make the best of a bad situation!!! 🤔🇺🇦👍🇺🇦👍🏴
Amazing video as usual. As an commercial apprentice you're brilliant at explaining things that i wont never come across while I'm learning and find it very helpful👍
Thank you!! Well you never know when it will come in handy! I done my apprenticeship in commercial/industrial and then I went into H/V, now I’m doing domestic so you never know what you might end up soon in the future 👍👍
net zero is for the middle class! sorry all your working class suck it in! 🤪 how do you stop someone parking in front your house which they are perfectly allowed to do? what happens if a child cuts the cable? what if someone trips in the loose cable?
I went with the new model Indra looks good and has a loads of safety features main reason for going with Indra, PS I’d always go wired Ethernet and the integration with energy providers API is good. Mine came with the dongle but I’m trying to phase a lot of wifi out of my tech it’s just too unreliable mines wired. PS a word of note to anyone always try and get a charger that works with your energy provider instead of the cars API as a lot of Ford EV owners are finding out 😢 with Octopus 🐙
@@sotaelectrical Also depends on the type of customer I want to have ethernet connectivity everywhere, so I wouldn't want an electrician just straight up connect straight into my router. For me that's a no no. I'd want a proper patch cable, and wall ports for such a thing.
I know you have tried covering your arse the best you can, but this issue of people running cables over public footpaths is becoming more & more of an issue & I just know the "Had an accident not your fault" Solicitor firms are going to be doing cartwheels at the prospect of all the claims they going to be filing. The whole EV infrastructure is a mess in the UK, from Electricity suppliers limiting supply Amps into premises to unfit for purpose compliance documentation for installations & a plethora of other issues. That is absolutely terrible that the Indra chargers use WPS, most routers dumped WPS years ago as it was a security joke for WiFi security. I am assuming there is an alternative proper secure way of connecting the charger?
Soon.. Imagine all car rental companies eventually being 'forced' to go fully EV... The year is 2026.. Imagine thousands of tourists in Scotland, heading into the Highlands and finding a total of about 10 charging areas..
Great video. It's obvious that you care about your customers. I'm lucky to have a driveway myself, but it's good to know that those who don't can still charge from home.
Great installation and video. Totally not allowed in my area here in Australia though. The Council have been sending letters to all residents telling us that on street charging like this with leads across footpaths or looped through trees is strictly prohibited - I'm guessing it's happening but I haven't seen any. The letter also mentioned that cable ramps of any description are also strictly forbidden due to safety concerns and insurance reasons. It pretty much excludes anyone without a driveway owning an EV because we don't have any public charging points in town either - Oh, I don't live miles from anywhere but in a town of 35,000 that's just 1/2 hour from Melbourne CBD. I can't see how EV's can work on mass because of these sort of issues.
Many ev drivers spend 37 hours a week in work. For those lucky enough to have a work car park they could add at the very least (3 miles per kwh) 777 miles at 7kwh per hour.. Just 1 week! Then there's different shifts depending on where you work. Get it done employers! Ask your employees if such an option would be of use to them.
Top drilling that man,dont understand some trades not taking the drill of hammer wen goin throu outside walls(or inside in your case)?!u should see the state of my brick outside my rented property that the virgin cable chap done,i was fuming wen i got home!!they gave me 4 months free Internet but eva way its not the point summit so simple. Keep doin wot ur doin 👍
If only all councils were this forward thinking, Oxford council have developed a metal gullie call, OXGull-e that proves a permanent flush fitting gullie for a cable much like the drain gullies you see in pavements. As EV ownership rises owners can’t all use council or third party EV chargers, although some companies would like that as they charge double the council rate. A home charge can cost pennies to,chargeback car overnight!
Pretty sure most if not all cars won't allow this. Although I did have one where they unplugged it and threw it on floor and it got caught on the towbar and ripped the charger clean off the wall 🧱
What we could do with is streets without driveways having lamp post chargepoints, the supply is already there for the lighting, so a charger could be placed up against or next to. If there were some way of registering with the chargepoing that linked it to your home electricity supplier for billing on your normal bill, or just contactless billing. As it stands unless you have a driveway it isn't economically viable or practical to get an EV, especially with the outragous rates at some of the public chargers.
Running a live electrical cable across a public footpath is opening yourself to a whole world of trouble. Problem without a home charger an EV costs a fortune at commercial charging points and I suppose this owner had enough of the costs. As we say customer is always right! 😂 Great video.
It doesn't help that EV cables across pavements guidelines are different depending where you live. Guidance where I live right now, from Huntingdonshire council, "We do not recommend trailing cables across the pavement, because even with a mat protector they can be a trip hazard. You would be liable for any criminal or civil proceedings if your cable caused an accident." Where as Hertfordshire say you "You cannot run private charging cables across public roads, pavements and paths" (even with cables covers) one of the reasons they give are them creating a obstruction but also claim "They would also breach electrical safety standards and are unlikely to be covered by public liability insurance." It's insane that there isn't clear cut regulations and uniform advice across the whole country
I haven't got a drive, but then I don't have any public pavement either. I own the property up to the road. I did contact the council though, They told me to contact the Highway Agency. They want everyone to go electric. Then make it so bl**dy hard.
As someone with no driveway, this video has given me some hope that I might be able to charge an electric car when we replace our current vehicle, thanks for covering this so well.
I'd recommend checking local council guidelines and your home insurance first. Guidance where I live right now, from Huntingdonshire council, "We do not recommend trailing cables across the pavement, because even with a mat protector they can be a trip hazard. You would be liable for any criminal or civil proceedings if your cable caused an accident." Where as Hertfordshire say you "You cannot run private charging cables across public roads, pavements and paths" (even with cables covers) one of the reasons they give are them creating a obstruction but also claim "They would also breach electrical safety standards and are unlikely to be covered by public liability insurance." So different councils say different things.
id recomend not getting an full ev the now as you dont know if the council will allow you to do this get a hybrid still saving the planet but not reserviced by range or council redtape
Look up solutions like kerbo charge and others like green mole. Write to your councillors about trialling it or approving it, it's always useful to point out when they declared a climate emergency and how little progress they've done on this issue since.
Have to agree. Recent negative press on EV's seems to be increasing. Add in possible fire hazard, piss poor value retention, and as we see here no built infrastructure to support the roll out. Not so good at the moment.@@rhysstewart2703
This video is a good solution to a problem. But I fear some asshole will seek this out just to injure themself. The Compensation Culture we have today, instead of common sense is disgusting. I hope the owner has good working CCTV.
Im sick of people running cables across pubic pathways, they are hard to see at night when walking my dog, I have already tripped over one and making a compastion claim, and I don't like walking over them in the rain/wet. should not be allowed. If you don't have a driveway then don't buy a EV.
Yes,and here we have it ladies and gentlemen, this is what you are paying for,trademan who knows what he is doing,look at the equipment and tools you need to complete a professional job! No drive no problem, See it can be done Well done, not trying to hide anything, instead films everything. Show some love smash the like button!
I live in a cul de sac with a pavement running around the outside of our front garden gates then a D shaped green with a parking area along the straight bit. The only people who should use the path at night are the householders. The council are taking an age fulfilling their promise of chargers in the village hall car park and I'm seriously considering having a charger put in, parking the car on the green once a week, as many others do and charging from home at cheap rate. My only concern has been the cable over the vitually unused pavement and the possible insurance issues. This cable cover could be the answer, I'm ambulant disabled myself though and would not do this on a terraced street as anything raised remains a trip hazard, no matter how small a lip. It is admitedly no worse than a reliably uneven pavement but to make the householder liable is alarming. The council in this case should be ashamed of themselves and get a competent electrician in to remedy the problem. What a ridiculous state of affairs!😮
The issue also lies with simultaneous contact across different supply earthing systems. This can’t be avoided when using the customers supply. Lamp post charging would have been the safest option
with the jel crimps for the ct, better to use the parallel (water pump) pliers set to a narrow gap which gives a near parallel squeeze rather than taper from ordinary pliers, minor point but it more reflects the proper tool used by telecoms guys.
Another highly interesting and educational video Adam - for installers and customers alike, I think. I love your solution orientated approach and ability to find products to suit different/difficult situations. 👍
As electric cars become common hopefully councils would consider making something like a drainage channel in the pavements to run cables without any bump.
If you don’t have a garage or driveway to keep your private car at, then it certainly should not be clogging up the public roads night after night. Most town roads are clogged to the point where normal traffic flow is impossible
This is MADNESS. Now ramp this up, everyone has a EV, grid goes down, chargers turned off, the utter chaos that will result. Stick with a mix of fuel, EV’s have a place but are not the entire solution. At least if this EV self ignites it will not burn the house down and will only take a dozen cars out. Nice work fella…..👍👍. Fellow Sparks Here.
@@sotaelectrical Try telling the Government that. They have already said, ICE vehicles are banned from 2035 but if Labour get in next election that will change to 2030.
National grid aren't concerned about us all going EV. Sure the DNOs will need to upgrade more local substations and the wires on the street but the electricification of transport will use less energy than we've cut off our use since the 1990s. When you see solutions like green mole, kerbo charge and other on street charging solutions it all falls into place.
When more cars are EVs and most have V2G, then at times of grid stress, the grid can be boosted from some of the connected EVs, with the power used being replaced later (it being possible to set a required time to be charged by to ensure that the cars can ensure that they are not down on charge when people need to go to work).
@@johnnyg1700but that is only new ICE vehicles. There will be another 20 years or so for most existing ones to reach scrapping, so there is time for more nuclear and storage of renewables to be built.
No offense to the installer, you're following best practise but this solution seems like a temporary solution at best. What happens when people up and down the neighbourhood are trailing cables and putting mats everywhere. What about when they start to get worn and potentially dangerous. What about people who literally just chop the cables and rob them to weight in the copper. Feels like make-do muddle through Britain as usual.
Hello buddy, this is absolutely a temporary solution, there are loads of companies out there with great solutions including channels in pathways but cannot get the council on their side, they won’t do anything until they are forced to. I’m trying to highlight the issues so we can progress onwards
@@sotaelectrical No doubt it'll have to get to the situation where trip accidents are frequent or a fires are randomly breaking out before government / councils take the situation more seriously. Until then 🤷♂️
You are doing your job in accordance with current regs, good on you for getting the jobs. However, when the councils start receiving claims for people tripping over numerous cables covered or not they will stop installations like this and charge permits for existing ones. We are not ready for the ev concept with no adequate systems in place.
That is rubbish. Look at the horrid rubber ramp all across the pavement. Doubt that will be safe long term. Why not know that garden wall down and park car there instead?
Sad infrastructure not there yet.how much will a electric car be worth in 7 years from new.Buy a diesel or petrol..not so good for inviroment. But electric car are for rich people. I'm glad I won't have to be here I will be gone whole life and uk knackered now. Feel sorry for the future off are children.i will be in box sad every one who can change this is to high up in politics for there self's. Jo blogs like me can't to anything to stop this we are the peasants. Pete yarranton.😢
Trip hazard, what about all the dustbin lining the streets, how come no one trips over them or the rubbish people are dumping on street corners during the night. The council should allow little gullies to be installed outside peoples homes for the cable to lay in then there would be no trip hazard.
I haven't been able to park my car directly out side my house in three years theirs would to have a mass change in infrastructure for electrical cars to work where houses don't have private drives.
My interpretation of the code of practice requirements regarding trip hazards leads me to believe that this installation is non compliant. Other than that a text book installation.
You have done the best you can here but the fact is that is a clear safety concern for any pedestrians. Not only is it a potential tripping hazard for the elderly or blind but if the wire protection gets worn an exposed wire would be connected directly to the mains, this is clearly not acceptable to do. The people do not need to charge their vehicles, electric vehicles need to be banned, they are a fire hazard as well as causing other hazards like this. We need to ban these electric vehicles from our roads.
As this is feeding into a public road there is no guarantee that you’ll get parking outside your house, then you’re well and truly screwed, anyone can park there
Time to get my roller skates on, where there’s blame, there’s a claim. 👍
I can imagine the " Have you had an accident " lawyers , licking their lips , as people start falling over these trip hazards .
Yeah probably!
Like there not enough trip hazards with bably layed slads cracking and sticking up lol
My friend Emma who is totally blind would have great difficulty negotiating a street trying to do the hundred yards hurdles over these things. Yes the council had better have the best lawyers in the country.
@@gasgas2689 I'm sure she has came over uneven slabs that stick up more than that. At 20mm high, this cable tidy is very slim. Well done to the manufacturer
@@ascelot You had a few?
It’s a joke isn’t it. Go EV without any sensible infrastructure in place. Cables along pavements etc is just opening up the world of claims.
Yes I agree completely 👍👍
Nonsense, absolute twaddle. This is old dinosaur thinking.
Dear me.
Instead of taking the power to the battery, the latest small EVs take the battery to the power.
These exist. Battery on wheels, remove from car and wheel inside for charging. That's a now thing.
Problem solved.
Germany just gave permission for power companies to turn off or limit power supplies to people with ev chargers or heat pumps...grid can't cope and the green nonsense policies prevent the needed nuclear generation its complete denial of reality
@@Fercough that's a great idea if you have somewhere to wheel the battery to, an EV battery is most of the floor area and usually weigh over half a ton, and the connectors would have to be idiot proof, the system would cost loads and people would complain about it all. Even small batteries are heavy, drag it up a few steps, no thanks.
Looks like there’s going to health market for second hand cables coming soon
The biggest Issue I have with this isn't anything to do with trailing cables etc etc (or anything you did with the install) but rather something far more fundamental especially when it comes to EV charging generally.
In the UK you do not have the right to park on the road outside your house (with a few exceptions such as designated disabled bays).
Even in those areas with permit parking the permit doesn't always say you can park in a specific spot rather it covers an area where you can park.
Too right bro
My parents have a terraced house with a disabled bay outside
The council refuses to grant planning permission for a gully outside. That's quite annoying as I could get a cheap EV with less range when going to visit them
@@waqasahmed939 but that's a parking bay for their car not your car surely ??
@@panman1964 Nope. It's a typical 1930s terraced house.
@waqasahmed939 I saw a UA-cam video of an electrical engineer installing a EV charger and legally running a cable along the pavement via an approved "ramp". Sorry the correct word escapes me.
the people DON'T need to charge their vehicles, the people need brains!
if a vehicle needs hours to refuel and you don;t have your own storage space for the vehicle and/or the fuel, then don't buy such vehicle.
So what’s your answer to all the fleet companies that businesses use to lease vehicles for their staff who are now only leasing electric cars? It’s not always people buying them, it’s what they are supplied by the companies they work for for
@@sotaelectrical oh, if we only had vehicles that can be refueled in minutes without the need to store them when refueling or own special infrastructure in order to refuel them... oh wait, their called engine-vehicles and run on combustable fluids!
EVs are a scam! They don't work. They will make pollution worse.
EU has forbidden any other tech for powering vehicles, thus is not about saving the environment but is about making money and funking us over in the process, 'cause an EV will always be tethered.
That’s great in your head, now in reality people without driveways and garages or dedicated parking spaces are going to need a way to charge.
@@paulharrison2325 exactly
@@paulharrison2325 they need another type of vehicle, NOT a charger.
What if you live in a flat, 30 stories up?
What happens if somebody decides to park their vehicle outside a house with a charger installed . If the home owner has not had the kirb dropped by the council he has no legal right to the space outside the house and cannot ask the other vehicle to move while he charges his vehicle .Yet another cause for arguments .
Hi paul, I don’t have the answer im afraid, thanks for watching though!
A dropped curb means nothing, anyone can park
While you may be able to get away with parking on a dropped kerb in some cases, it’s not worth taking a chance. The £90 fine you could receive is much higher than you would pay for parking in a proper car park.
If the kerb has been dropped then it's illegal for anyone to park there
@@grahamwalker5693if there is a dropped curb commencing entry to a driveway it has to be kept clear.
First claim I have heard of was a £3900 one for tripping over a cable across the path
Interesting, so you will soon need a licence to charge your car... Have they let slip the future EV tax?
I just read word from word the article, not let anything slip, I know nothing more than you do 👍👍
Hydrogen is the way forward
Probably!!
You cannot do that Town Police Clauses Act 1827 it us an offence to obstruct the highway a footpath/pavement is part of the said highway love to see the civil litigation when someone trips and gets injured it will be down to the company that installed it.
They police won’t attend your house if it gets burgled or your van broken into so not much chance of them enforcing anything
Loving that trip hazard of a cable and its 'ramp' ..... how can anyone think that's acceptable ?
I'm not sure what the courts would make of an accident, as councils themselves are not required to fix pavements where slabs are raised (or sunk) up to a 1" (25mm) difference. Logically, why should a cable and ramp (as used to prevent trips in many offices), of no more than 1" height be considered a different hazard?
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Or if it's been snowing, oh ya........
This is a ridiculous idea, no cables across footpaths should be allowed
@@GoogleUser-yj1wy then no raised pushing slabs, no above ground tree roots, perhaps even no kerbs should be allowed.
That would get 100% vandalised where I live in about 20 mins.
The problem with this sort of solution is that it gives some people the feeling of entitlement to the public road outside their houses.
Yes, its difficult I agree.
That's the only way it's going to work though. He can't have anyone parking outside his house or he'll be unable to charge.
The council should make it easier to install a post and cut into the paving to hide the cable.
100%
I'd park outside his deliberately just to piss him off !! 👍🤣
@@sargfowler9603 Tbh it depends on your neighbours too. People on my parent's street understand that they can get the spot outside their home most of the time but it is a free for all. There's no guarantee of having a spot.
Hopefully you could get longer cabling though when you can't charge directly outside
Great job. Now you hope your neighbours are willing to let you park there as it’s a nightmare parking lot
Thank you! Yes well that’s not my problem fortunately, hopefully they have a good relationship with the neighbours! 👍👍
@mrmonkey2214You can simply drive to an ev charger and charge it there, in much the same way petrol and diesel cars need to be driven somewhere to be refuelled. It’ll take 10 minutes longer, granted, and cost only slightly less than petrol, but it’s still an option. No ev owner parks at their house without enough charge to get to their preferred charger in the same way you don’t park up without enough fuel to get to the nearest petrol station. It’s just they they can charge at home and unless you have a diesel chip fat plant in your garage, you can’t.
@mrmonkey2214 you could ask the council to put a white line on the space trying to prevent parking. I dunno what else could be done.
I can already picture people putting cones outside their house as to reserve the space and a few rows coming out of it!
Yeah maybe so, hopefully people can be considerate and work together
@@sotaelectrical The words considerate and people dont always go hand in hand unfortunately. Some people (and I sometimes have arguments with the Mrs over this) dont like others parking in front of their house as they think its their personal space on a non roped kerb.
I personally dont mind as long as they dont park to close to the drive as it makes it awkward to go in and out.
@@jsouto77 yeah I understand, I’m just trying to avoid parking debates with people over this video 🤣
@@sotaelectrical It will be fine 😉
Times change. You need to adapt. Complaining will get you nowhere. I'm sure if there was a comments section in the 50s "I can see it now, our streets will be full of cars and there will be nowhere to park".
So basically the council will approve running cable across pavement but will through you under the bus if someone trips over it.
Probably.
Technically the council can't approve running cables across the footpath as, as mentioned in another comment, it is against part of the Highways Act. I guess what council is saying they will choose not to prosecute under that Act. Will be interesting if a Karren chooses to bring a private prosecution.
This is my first view of your channel and immediately you look like a very good sparky. Thoughtful, efficient, tidy, knowledgeable and safe. Your client should be pleased with that job. Brilliant. Great video.
Thank you so much 👍👍
They should have dropped the curb and parked in the front garden. Off street parking would have added value to the property and guaranteed a parking spot near their charger.
They may do this
My council is fitting cable slots into the pavement for people, nice easy solution.
Which brands?
This isn't aimed at you in anyway, I know you're just trying to earn a living and working within the guidelines provided. But for the council to approve this sort of solution is ridiculous, as someone who is ambulant disabled, | would 100% consider that a trip hazard. Interesting the council are basically passing all liability onto the EV owners, it will be equally interesting to see future legal cases and reactions of cable owners when someone enviably trips and ends up injured. Normal home insurance won't cover injury liability, particularly on a public highway/footpath, whilst I anticipate home insurance to increase do to EVs, since car insurance already has. I'm also surprised given most charging will be done in the evening, dark outside of summer months, that there isn't a requirement for the cable/cover to be lit in someway, even if the height of the cover is "minimal", it's not flat and remains a hazard. Councils are a joke, happy to push the nonsense of the EV / Net Zero agenda, but want nothing to do with the infrastructure or the safety of it, almost like they know the agenda is BS.
I spent 22yrs as a telecoms engineer & hated installations on 99% in & on the property we surface laid out cables/wiring, what you did on this task was bloody brilliant 👍
I bet you come across many a fit that appears to have been done by Jonny aged 3!!!
I bet a few of those pavement cable covers will be stolen over time
Thank you very much!! Yeah I do come across many installations like that!! Yeah maybe so, I dont understand the mentality of some people to be honest regarding theft, absolutely no need for it. Thank you for commenting and watching!! Really appreciate it!! 👍👍
I was looking at those holes 20:10 and thought maybe you could screw a hook to the wall and padlock it.
I'm sure the cables will be gone first in no time once people of a certain ilk know they are there !!
Not sure how prevalent it is now but probably about 10sh years ago, I’m guessing a bit there, but we went through a major issue with thieves robbing & not just from yards etc, we had during daytime hours several miles of aerial cable being stripped off poles, they would turn up with a hoist & supporting vehs & just drive down the route taking the cable down, another major problem that usually happened at night, they’d open an underground chamber , tie chains around the cables, tie them to a vehicle & just drive away tripping the cables straight out of the ducts!!
Yup, and when the cover/ramp is stolen and someone trips over the cable, the house owner is liable. Really don't think this is the long term solution to this problem.
Quality video and great install 👌🏻. The problem is the obvious thing every electrician worth their salt has been banging on about for almost 10 years now, the infrastructure is not in place for mass ev. I'm having a charge point installed at my house in two weeks, but I wouldn't even consider it if I lived in a terraced property with no driveway. Again though great video 👍🏻
Hi mate, thanks very much!! Yeah I know, it’s going to be an interesting journey over the next few years! Thanks for watching also mate, really appreciate it 👍👍 have a great Christmas
the infrastructure is there and more is coming, sainsburys and asda launching their own networks of charging will bring the price of that down
@peteygti1 Initially it may do, but like everything else, they are not doing this to help us, the consumer. They want a slice of the action and also, like food prices, they will have control over the costs of the service they provide and when prices increase or, rarely, decrease. It's the same with fuel prices. Currently, supermarkets are more expensive than the independent garages, ( I'm not talking about the major named petrol stations here). The infrastructure isn't there and as others have said, there are many concerns about this.
@@andrewhaines3259 factually wrong, infrastructure is there, with sainsburys and asda launching their own networks soon will be better.
Just wait until a pushchair goes over it and lifts it slightly.. or someone kicks it.
How long before the copper thieves snip it off?
Let’s wait and see!!
Would it be a good idea to advise your homeowner insurance carrier that you are putting a potential trip hazard across the public pavement outside your home? Also, presumably there is a risk of a damaged cable causing electric shock, the damage could be caused by vandalism, the liability remains the responsibility of the property/vehicle owner.
Firstly as a gas engineer my butt was clenching when I saw the run, but you installed it perfectly.
I would say you are going to see people converting their gardens to driveways...you need to team up with a builder 😂
Thank you!! Yes I can see a lot of front gardens getting converted into driveways, sounds like a good forward plan!
Did you see the denso tape
Applied , 2 grand plans +application + re try as only one off road allowed +numerous drainage landscaping stipulations quote now 40 grand + did about 2thousand miles last Yr
Some councils are installing cable trenches across their pavements so people can use their own electricity without causing a trip hazard.
Wouldn't it have been better to have got way leave and put a channel in the pavement? Perfectly flat then. A blind person can still trip over these rubber strips.
Would make sense for the council to install a channel into the paths from fence to gutter say 50mm deep x 50mm wide covered with a checker plate hinged lid. Have the owner apply for an install and a 1 off payment maybe ? Or add an annual "charger channel access" fee to their rates. So yes, there might be one channer per house eventually. Would be easy install if the channel was one piece galv channel with a flange that they could anchor to the cement. All they'd need to do is channelout 50 wide x 50 deep and sink it in between the cut out, anchor it at each and and Bobs your uncle.
There ya go - when things quiet down propose that to the council and offer them the service to install them! Instant business model for you.
Prices quoted at 5k just for that.
They don't even govern full fibre...my local town is like a third World cart track...the road is a joke..
One issue with that is what happens when utilities need to dig up the pavement...
@@trueriver1950 In my town the roads are a joke,internet providers don't give a f***
You know some idiot is purposely trip over that and claim it was an accident.
And they pretend that we are ready for EV’s 😂😂😂😂😂
No where near
Don’t forget the electric heat pumps that we all have to have fitted in the next few years, what could possibly go wrong?
Trials and Tribulations of EV ownership. Add in massive depreciation. General inconvenience. And fire risk. Good idea in theory. Terrible idea in reality, with current technology. And ICE cars are only a tiny percentage of polluters in the grand scheme. No infrastructure to generate the green electricity. So mostly charging using dirty energy. Cart before the horse. In so many places now. Car chargers being installed, by councils, powered by Diesel generators. Even Tesla. Whole current set up a joke. Nice neat install. But the information in your video just helps to highlight the non functional process of owning an EV.
Thanks for commenting! 👍
I wonder how long that charger will last . Maybe 2 years. My mate is on his 3rd one in less than 4 years . My charger for my ICE car is over 60 years old . It doesn’t need apps no electronics inside. and it works great
Great!
The charger will last about an hour when it gets dark and then it'll dissappear!!
how long before the little buggers cut off the cable for their scrap value
the biggest problem i have is the belief that a home owner owns the street outside the property. if some one parks in the spot they have no legal redress. this will cause problems or with the councils use this as a way to charge for parking on a public street to ensure the parking spots for property owners.
I have a drive for 2 cars but had a skip for a couple of days so only space for 1 temporarily - my wife's car as she has the kids. I came home from work and parked in the only space available at the time, outside someone else's house where 99% of the time they park their van. I went out later that evening and noticed he'd come home and decided to park across my drive in retaliation, blocking my wife in. At this point there were a number of other places he could have parked, but he did this instead. It forced me to knock on his door and tell him to move it, to which him and his neurotic wife came back with a rant about how inconsiderate I was to park in THEIR space. They told me to move my car first and on principle I refused - it wasn't their space - and told them to use one of a number of other spaces right near to it. They refused to move the van. The council and the police both told me to 'go whistle' when I tried to get help. The arrogance and entitlement of some people when it comes to parking is staggering. It was a one-off event and they threw a total meltdown over it!
PCC says that you don't need a licence AT THE MOMENT.
I bet that will change
Love you videos man, all the camera angles you set up must take an age. The extra effort you put in is first class 👌🏻
Thank you so much. I really enjoy making videos so I make the extra effort I get good shots while I work. Thanks for watching and best wishes for Xmas 👍👍
@@sotaelectrical it really shows that you take pride in it. Keep them coming. Marry Christmas to you and your family
@@Waynesworldofgaming thank you, same to you 👍👍
he's charging by the hour mate :D
Bonkers. Battery powered vehicles are the biggest con out there. If everyone in that street plugged in an EV every night, the grid would crash.
Let’s wait and see what happens!!
Just don't buy an ev. 👍
Councils and the government ARE helping ...
to make our lives as BLOODY AWKWARD AS POSSIBLE!!
I have zero respect for the decision makers, pen pushers and jobsworths that only serve the councils.
The push tool and small gel connectors you used on the ct clamp connections are used all the time by the Openreach (BT) engineers,another great video
Thank you! 👍
They also use the proper crimp tool, not a pair of normal pliers lol! Crimp Plier 8a
@@8skellerns well I’m not an open reach engineer, normal pliers worked fine
Very interesting.
Do you know anything about why SSE started reporting concerns? News coverage is low in details on the subject.
Street lights dimming? Low voltage issues? Units being arched or melted? ( You can tell I'm no electrician).
Also enjoyed how long your pre amble was to reduce the expected shouty comments.
thats all very well if you can park directly out side your house some times you have to park sometimes treets away ,
Yes I know, that I cannot help with I’m afraid
A typical new EVs range might do a typical commute for a fortnight. So it's less of a worry.
Plus the person who hasn't parked within streets of their house, isn't buying an EV at the moment. Looks like quite a middle class terrace and I bet it's less cramped with less parking issues than another might be.
@@Lewis_Standing for average UK mileage, it's more like once a week and twice if an extra, longish journey is thrown in during that week. It should be possible for most people to park outside their own house that often.
First of all great video of the installation & well explained however I do need to correct you on something. Throughout the video you kept on saying you were fitting an eV charger which is in fact not correct & to the layman could be misleading. What you were fitting is an electric vehicle charging point. The reason I differentiate is because the battery charger is actually fitted in the vehicle when manufactured.
I am sure you will know how the system works but for the layman when a vehicle is connected to a (charge point) the vehicle & charge point comunicate with each other to check the connection is OK & also to work out what size of charger is fitted to the vehicle & what amperage the charge point is capable of supplying. example if a fast charger is fitted to the vehicle but the charge point is not capable of supplying enough current or vise versa, through the communication between the two they will automatically adjust to keep things safe.
Kind regards jeremy.
Hi Jeremy, thank you for watching and for your comments, I am fully aware that the EV chargers are actually electric vehicle charging equipment, however, the common term for the equipment is chargers, this is very hard to undo and I do talk about this in a previous video explaining this. It would become very tiresome if I brought this up in every video but I do appreciate you pointing this out.
My issue with this, ignoring all arguements about cables crossing pavements, is simply this.
I live in a terraced house with no driveway.
A lot of people park in our street and i get to park outside my house maybe once or twice a week if im lucky.
Most of the time Id never get to charge my car because i cant get close enough for the cable to reach.
It’s not going to work everywhere for sure
Unless you do an unusually high mileage, that might not be such a problem. I do a slightly higher than average UK mileage and only need to charge once or twice a week.
In situations like this you probably need the council to install lamppost chargers so you can charge anywhere on your street. Unfortunately they do tend to be rather more expensive than using your own electricity.
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Hahahaha 😂😂😂
I don't know where you live, but it appears not to be on earth.
But on the UK South coast here in the real world, our district council is approximately 18 months from bankruptcy and can't even afford to have street lights on after 11pm.
And the county council has something like an £11.5 million deficit in highways and can't afford to repair potholes that in some roads round here, look like ww2 bombed runways.
The police are being cut, libraries are being cut, public space maintenance is being cut, street lights are being turned off at night, rubbish collections are being reduced etc etc.
There is more chance of me suddenly turning into a bright pink pumpkin and floating to mars than there is of any investment in local infrastructure.
😂😂😂
My first thought was of a completely blind person. Why isn't it the type, made of metal and fitted flush to the payment? Then there is the problem of parking, you might park there BUT its not yours. Someone else could be parked there! There's also the warranty issue. Does the manufacturer have to be involved? What protects a live cable during charging, laying in full view by your car? This whole idea is full of risks.
Councils need to provide answers, its their responsibility DONT make it yours. Me? I wouldn't want to get involved without full written agreement from the council-that could take years! So I'd walk away. Dont need the trouble I can see coming down the line. Dont need that kind of work. All I can see is liability.
I always wondered how you would charge if you had no driveway, but this has confirmed what I wanted. We are buying a house and every house we have seen, has a driveway as we are planning to get a hybrid car in a few months time. But have a driveway will just make it easy to charge. While it might not be a problem now but could be if every house decides to do this... Wires on the pavement is just asking to be sued.
Yes hopefully a better solution will be around before we get to that stage
One solution is a Chargehanger mounted on a pole
@@sammorrisuk4584Your house would be as firmly affixed to the floor as it ever was. You’re not going to lose or loose your house over a trip claim unless you’re a complete fool. The mitigation that the authorities gave you permission would see the case against you so weakened that their lawyer would flip from “trying to win” to “milk every £ out of them and drag this out indefinitely” with you having to respond to about three motions a year until they are skint.
Forget Hybrid get a PURE EV the Hybrid sold in Western countries are a joke. A pure EV is way better.
Unless you regularly drive hundreds of miles it's not really necessary to get hybrid rather than BEV these days.
Looks like someone has at least tried to come up with a workable solution. There will always be someone who will pop pop any possible solution but sometimes one has to make the best of a bad situation!!! 🤔🇺🇦👍🇺🇦👍🏴
Amazing video as usual. As an commercial apprentice you're brilliant at explaining things that i wont never come across while I'm learning and find it very helpful👍
Thank you!! Well you never know when it will come in handy! I done my apprenticeship in commercial/industrial and then I went into H/V, now I’m doing domestic so you never know what you might end up soon in the future 👍👍
net zero is for the middle class! sorry all your working class suck it in! 🤪 how do you stop someone parking in front your house which they are perfectly allowed to do? what happens if a child cuts the cable? what if someone trips in the loose cable?
I went with the new model Indra looks good and has a loads of safety features main reason for going with Indra, PS I’d always go wired Ethernet and the integration with energy providers API is good.
Mine came with the dongle but I’m trying to phase a lot of wifi out of my tech it’s just too unreliable mines wired.
PS a word of note to anyone always try and get a charger that works with your energy provider instead of the cars API as a lot of Ford EV owners are finding out 😢 with Octopus 🐙
I agree if I can hardwire I will, but sometimes it’s so much work that the customer doesn’t want to pay for. Great tips by the way!! 👍👍
@@sotaelectrical Also depends on the type of customer
I want to have ethernet connectivity everywhere, so I wouldn't want an electrician just straight up connect straight into my router. For me that's a no no. I'd want a proper patch cable, and wall ports for such a thing.
I know you have tried covering your arse the best you can, but this issue of people running cables over public footpaths is becoming more & more of an issue & I just know the "Had an accident not your fault" Solicitor firms are going to be doing cartwheels at the prospect of all the claims they going to be filing.
The whole EV infrastructure is a mess in the UK, from Electricity suppliers limiting supply Amps into premises to unfit for purpose compliance documentation for installations & a plethora of other issues.
That is absolutely terrible that the Indra chargers use WPS, most routers dumped WPS years ago as it was a security joke for WiFi security. I am assuming there is an alternative proper secure way of connecting the charger?
0:24 subtitles "they also live in a terrorist house"
That’s not my subtitles, UA-cam does those, I can’t change that buddy
I know. Just thought it funny. Rather than scrolling past in my feed I got stopped in my tracks and watched a little longer.
@@stefanlclark I thought you were snagging me 🤣 thanks for watching a little longer 👍
Soon..
Imagine all car rental companies eventually being 'forced' to go fully EV...
The year is 2026..
Imagine thousands of tourists in Scotland, heading into the Highlands and finding a total of about 10 charging areas..
Great video. It's obvious that you care about your customers. I'm lucky to have a driveway myself, but it's good to know that those who don't can still charge from home.
Thank you 👍
Only if they can actually park outside their property!
All these copper cables lining pavements, thieves are going to have a field day....... MADNESS
Great installation and video. Totally not allowed in my area here in Australia though. The Council have been sending letters to all residents telling us that on street charging like this with leads across footpaths or looped through trees is strictly prohibited - I'm guessing it's happening but I haven't seen any. The letter also mentioned that cable ramps of any description are also strictly forbidden due to safety concerns and insurance reasons. It pretty much excludes anyone without a driveway owning an EV because we don't have any public charging points in town either - Oh, I don't live miles from anywhere but in a town of 35,000 that's just 1/2 hour from Melbourne CBD. I can't see how EV's can work on mass because of these sort of issues.
Because they don't want you plebs owning cars.
Or having spare money
Many ev drivers spend 37 hours a week in work.
For those lucky enough to have a work car park they could add at the very least (3 miles per kwh) 777 miles at 7kwh per hour..
Just 1 week!
Then there's different shifts depending on where you work.
Get it done employers! Ask your employees if such an option would be of use to them.
Pleasure to watch your videos. Quality install as per normal.
Thank you 👍👍
Top drilling that man,dont understand some trades not taking the drill of hammer wen goin throu outside walls(or inside in your case)?!u should see the state of my brick outside my rented property that the virgin cable chap done,i was fuming wen i got home!!they gave me 4 months free Internet but eva way its not the point summit so simple. Keep doin wot ur doin 👍
It would be great to do an update, focusing on the satisfaction of the customer being able to charge his car outside his house.
Seriously…Using a WPS connection in 2024? Indra is a joke. I would never allow a device using WPS on my network.
I'm just gonna park outside their house on purpose now.
If only all councils were this forward thinking, Oxford council have developed a metal gullie call, OXGull-e that proves a permanent flush fitting gullie for a cable much like the drain gullies you see in pavements. As EV ownership rises owners can’t all use council or third party EV chargers, although some companies would like that as they charge double the council rate. A home charge can cost pennies to,chargeback car overnight!
You just know someone is going to get in the car and drive off without unplugging it first ...
I’ve had this before!! But it was on a driveway, wrecked the charger only a week after install.
@@sotaelectrical Nice 🙃
Pretty sure most if not all cars won't allow this. Although I did have one where they unplugged it and threw it on floor and it got caught on the towbar and ripped the charger clean off the wall 🧱
@@Adam-Electrical I thought the same!! It was a fault with the car and not the vehicle that allowed this to happen on this occasion!
@@Adam-Electrical Quality driving
What we could do with is streets without driveways having lamp post chargepoints, the supply is already there for the lighting, so a charger could be placed up against or next to. If there were some way of registering with the chargepoing that linked it to your home electricity supplier for billing on your normal bill, or just contactless billing. As it stands unless you have a driveway it isn't economically viable or practical to get an EV, especially with the outragous rates at some of the public chargers.
Running a live electrical cable across a public footpath is opening yourself to a whole world of trouble. Problem without a home charger an EV costs a fortune at commercial charging points and I suppose this owner had enough of the costs. As we say customer is always right! 😂 Great video.
It doesn't help that EV cables across pavements guidelines are different depending where you live.
Guidance where I live right now, from Huntingdonshire council, "We do not recommend trailing cables across the pavement, because even with a mat protector they can be a trip hazard. You would be liable for any criminal or civil proceedings if your cable caused an accident."
Where as Hertfordshire say you "You cannot run private charging cables across public roads, pavements and paths" (even with cables covers) one of the reasons they give are them creating a obstruction but also claim "They would also breach electrical safety standards and are unlikely to be covered by public liability insurance."
It's insane that there isn't clear cut regulations and uniform advice across the whole country
I have this with nearby neighbours and they think it's their dedication parking space, better than watching tele when someone parks there
Some people are mental.
yes exactly , and they have no rights at all .
I haven't got a drive, but then I don't have any public pavement either. I own the property up to the road. I did contact the council though, They told me to contact the Highway Agency. They want everyone to go electric. Then make it so bl**dy hard.
As someone with no driveway, this video has given me some hope that I might be able to charge an electric car when we replace our current vehicle, thanks for covering this so well.
I'd recommend checking local council guidelines and your home insurance first.
Guidance where I live right now, from Huntingdonshire council, "We do not recommend trailing cables across the pavement, because even with a mat protector they can be a trip hazard. You would be liable for any criminal or civil proceedings if your cable caused an accident."
Where as Hertfordshire say you "You cannot run private charging cables across public roads, pavements and paths" (even with cables covers) one of the reasons they give are them creating a obstruction but also claim "They would also breach electrical safety standards and are unlikely to be covered by public liability insurance."
So different councils say different things.
id recomend not getting an full ev the now as you dont know if the council will allow you to do this get a hybrid still saving the planet but not reserviced by range or council redtape
Look up solutions like kerbo charge and others like green mole.
Write to your councillors about trialling it or approving it, it's always useful to point out when they declared a climate emergency and how little progress they've done on this issue since.
Have to agree. Recent negative press on EV's seems to be increasing. Add in possible fire hazard, piss poor value retention, and as we see here no built infrastructure to support the roll out. Not so good at the moment.@@rhysstewart2703
@Lewis_Standing or you know make things like hydrogen and synthetic fuels really available for hybrid and full ice car conversion
This video is a good solution to a problem.
But I fear some asshole will seek this out just to injure themself.
The Compensation Culture we have today, instead of common sense is disgusting.
I hope the owner has good working CCTV.
Hi Nick, thanks for your comments and for watching!! Have a great new year 👍👍
CCTV could be inadmissible as you’re technically only allowed to film to the boundary of your property.
Yes, you do need to take note of the colour pairs in data cable. Blues are for old PSTN/POTS and used for Positve side of PoE.
Im sick of people running cables across pubic pathways, they are hard to see at night when walking my dog, I have already tripped over one and making a compastion claim, and I don't like walking over them in the rain/wet. should not be allowed. If you don't have a driveway then don't buy a EV.
Yes,and here we have it ladies and gentlemen, this is what you are paying for,trademan who knows what he is doing,look at the equipment and tools you need to complete a professional job!
No drive no problem,
See it can be done
Well done, not trying to hide anything, instead films everything.
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I live in a cul de sac with a pavement running around the outside of our front garden gates then a D shaped green with a parking area along the straight bit. The only people who should use the path at night are the householders. The council are taking an age fulfilling their promise of chargers in the village hall car park and I'm seriously considering having a charger put in, parking the car on the green once a week, as many others do and charging from home at cheap rate. My only concern has been the cable over the vitually unused pavement and the possible insurance issues. This cable cover could be the answer, I'm ambulant disabled myself though and would not do this on a terraced street as anything raised remains a trip hazard, no matter how small a lip. It is admitedly no worse than a reliably uneven pavement but to make the householder liable is alarming. The council in this case should be ashamed of themselves and get a competent electrician in to remedy the problem. What a ridiculous state of affairs!😮
Absolutely brilliant, hats off to you mate.
Thank you mate merry Xmas
The issue also lies with simultaneous contact across different supply earthing systems. This can’t be avoided when using the customers supply. Lamp post charging would have been the safest option
with the jel crimps for the ct, better to use the parallel (water pump) pliers set to a narrow gap which gives a near parallel squeeze rather than taper from ordinary pliers, minor point but it more reflects the proper tool used by telecoms guys.
Great tip and noted, thank you 👍
Another highly interesting and educational video Adam - for installers and customers alike, I think. I love your solution orientated approach and ability to find products to suit different/difficult situations. 👍
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I'm just curious why a charging point needs to be connected to wifi. Seems to be unnecessary added complexity.
As electric cars become common hopefully councils would consider making something like a drainage channel in the pavements to run cables without any bump.
There are loads of solutions exactly like this but it’s just getting the council on side to allow things like this to be installed
If you don’t have a garage or driveway to keep your private car at, then it certainly should not be clogging up the public roads night after night. Most town roads are clogged to the point where normal traffic flow is impossible
This is MADNESS. Now ramp this up, everyone has a EV, grid goes down, chargers turned off, the utter chaos that will result. Stick with a mix of fuel, EV’s have a place but are not the entire solution. At least if this EV self ignites it will not burn the house down and will only take a dozen cars out.
Nice work fella…..👍👍. Fellow Sparks Here.
Hi mate, yeah if I’m honest I can’t see us going all electric completely, thanks for watching though mate, have a great Xmas!
@@sotaelectrical Try telling the Government that. They have already said, ICE vehicles are banned from 2035 but if Labour get in next election that will change to 2030.
National grid aren't concerned about us all going EV. Sure the DNOs will need to upgrade more local substations and the wires on the street but the electricification of transport will use less energy than we've cut off our use since the 1990s.
When you see solutions like green mole, kerbo charge and other on street charging solutions it all falls into place.
When more cars are EVs and most have V2G, then at times of grid stress, the grid can be boosted from some of the connected EVs, with the power used being replaced later (it being possible to set a required time to be charged by to ensure that the cars can ensure that they are not down on charge when people need to go to work).
@@johnnyg1700but that is only new ICE vehicles. There will be another 20 years or so for most existing ones to reach scrapping, so there is time for more nuclear and storage of renewables to be built.
No offense to the installer, you're following best practise but this solution seems like a temporary solution at best. What happens when people up and down the neighbourhood are trailing cables and putting mats everywhere. What about when they start to get worn and potentially dangerous. What about people who literally just chop the cables and rob them to weight in the copper. Feels like make-do muddle through Britain as usual.
Hello buddy, this is absolutely a temporary solution, there are loads of companies out there with great solutions including channels in pathways but cannot get the council on their side, they won’t do anything until they are forced to. I’m trying to highlight the issues so we can progress onwards
@@sotaelectrical No doubt it'll have to get to the situation where trip accidents are frequent or a fires are randomly breaking out before government / councils take the situation more seriously. Until then 🤷♂️
You are doing your job in accordance with current regs, good on you for getting the jobs. However, when the councils start receiving claims for people tripping over numerous cables covered or not they will stop installations like this and charge permits for existing ones. We are not ready for the ev concept with no adequate systems in place.
That is rubbish. Look at the horrid rubber ramp all across the pavement. Doubt that will be safe long term. Why not know that garden wall down and park car there instead?
You think Portsmouth is bad, try charging in Bristol. Utterly non-existent.
First problem to overcome. Second problem will be traffic jams. Who ever promoted electric cars was a numpty.
Nah, I blame people for buying a stupid EV in the first place, not the council.
The government are such a contradiction, Push push push at EV's but your not allowed to charge them😂
Sad infrastructure not there yet.how much will a electric car be worth in 7 years from new.Buy a diesel or petrol..not so good for inviroment. But electric car are for rich people. I'm glad I won't have to be here I will be gone whole life and uk knackered now. Feel sorry for the future off are children.i will be in box sad every one who can change this is to high up in politics for there self's. Jo blogs like me can't to anything to stop this we are the peasants. Pete yarranton.😢
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Odd they are still using WPS. Most new routers don't have wps due to security flaws
Perhaps the councils could offer discounted pricing for dropping the curbs to encourage people to turn their front gardens into driveways.
Trip hazard, what about all the dustbin lining the streets, how come no one trips over them or the rubbish people are dumping on street corners during the night. The council should allow little gullies to be installed outside peoples homes for the cable to lay in then there would be no trip hazard.
I haven't been able to park my car directly out side my house in three years theirs would to have a mass change in infrastructure for electrical cars to work where houses don't have private drives.
My interpretation of the code of practice requirements regarding trip hazards leads me to believe that this installation is non compliant. Other than that a text book installation.
Don’t understand why it’s the councils problem when you brought the car.
You have done the best you can here but the fact is that is a clear safety concern for any pedestrians. Not only is it a potential tripping hazard for the elderly or blind but if the wire protection gets worn an exposed wire would be connected directly to the mains, this is clearly not acceptable to do. The people do not need to charge their vehicles, electric vehicles need to be banned, they are a fire hazard as well as causing other hazards like this. We need to ban these electric vehicles from our roads.
As this is feeding into a public road there is no guarantee that you’ll get parking outside your house, then you’re well and truly screwed, anyone can park there