Game of Thrones Season 7 Episode 5 'Eastwatch' Part 1 REACTION!!
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- Daenerys demands loyalty from the surviving Lannister soldiers; Jon heeds Bran's warning about White Walkers on the move; Cersei vows to vanquish anyone or anything that stands in her way. Here's part one of our reaction to #GameOfThrones season 7, episode 5.
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He "smells" the Targaryen blood, there is a strong and mysterious connection between the dragons and the valyrian blood, plus he feels the similarity with Dany.
Dany’s attack on the Lannister Army shows that she listened to both Tyrion & Lady Olennna. Remember, Lady Olenna told Dany to: “Be a Dragon” if she wants to survive & win the Iron Throne.
But at the same, Tyrion told Dany not to use her Dragons to burn down whole cities in Westeros because it would cause mayhem & lots of collateral damage.
So Dany made a compromise. And took BOTH of their advice to heart.
She took her Dragon and aggressively brought the War to The Lannisters... but she fought them in an open field... which was far enough away from King’s Landing so innocent civilians would not get killed. That was a Brilliant Move by Khaleesi. Well played.
Military targets only.
All Dany had to do was burn down the Red Keep . . . with Cersei inside. That's all. Tyrion was against that? Daenerys should have listened to Olenna. This is a fucking war, not solely a chess game.
@@elizabethmoore2684 and what of cersei’s handmaids, cooks, footmen, cleaners etc? What of the lannister troops and loyalists scattered through the rest of the city?
@@joealyjim3029 Late, but the Lannisters slaughtered Ellia and her children simply because they were the King's heir's family. War is messy and dirty and not honorable.
Even the greatest leaders of our world got their hands dirty fighting wars.
DROGO to DANY: "Mommy, can we KEEP Him?"...
😂😂💖
Terri, that's kind of what I was thinking too.
LOL!!! So sweet and funny …. PEACE.
Drogon*
komik mi
Drogon: sniff sniff......... "I smell cousin blood"
Cousin? i swear hes her nephew
@@lewissharman9400 Lool everyone is aware of that , i didn't even mention dany i was talking about drogon tho
@@salmawahbi9697 Ok i just misinterpreted what you said didn't think u meant Drogon sorry. Didn't see the "Drogon:" part
@@lewissharman9400 no noo it's Okayy you don't need to be sorry about it :) we're all here to discuss and share opinions
@@salmawahbi9697 woah girl we need more GoT fans like you.. mostly Dany fans are always torturing me in comments when i say something against her actions :/ i cant even have my own opinion in some discussion sometimes. sad world
7:30 Hey Steven- you're missing one big element and I think that's why you're confused. Ever since they cut off Ned's head, Robb and all those that followed him have claimed their independence from the Seven Kingdoms. That's why Robb (and later Jon) was called KING in the North. Seasons 2-3 were basically a failed "revolutionary war" for the north. 300 years before now, the last true King in the North bent the knee to the invading Aegon Targaryen and since then they've been a subject. (think Scotland to England) So since Robb, the people of the North have had their hopes on a free and independent north and they selected Jon as their new leader. Now he's with a young Targaryen beauty... If he gives up their best chance at Independence after 300 years, the people will be eternally pissed and never trust him again. If you re-watch the Jon and Dany scenes (first meeting, cliffside, & cave) it should make more sense.
Comment is on point.
Not to mention, the North chose Jon as their king. If he does something that the Northern lords don't like, they can easily abandon him and choose another king to lead them
Yep. Biggest point here is, there are still seven very much separate kingdoms. They weren't always united, in fact looking at the Westeros timeline, it's only very recently been united under a single king. Thousands of years of history and houses and kingdoms scuffling with each other, and there's only been a "king of the seven kingdoms" for the latest 300 years.
let's all add that the memory of the last Targaryen was NOT good. flip a coin for madness. These folks don't know Dany. Hell, I"M not sure what she is capable of either.
I agree with that all except Scotland being an English subject.
The ultimate risk of Jon bending the knee is essentially relinquishing his status AS king in the North. He would be pledging all the Northern houses TO Danearys, which in his mind the Northern lords will hate it. That is why he is so hesitant, because the north put all their trust in Jon.
And we can see what happens with that trust behind his back!
Yup, plus they are not fond of Targaryen's at all.@@vidyakurup9691
And that’s why I hate it and wish he hadn’t been so quick to do this. At least talk to Sansa, his advisors.
Lol Howboutno - Well, they did choose a Targaryen as king, even if unknowingly.
The ultimate risk of Jon not bending the knee is that Dany can obliterate the North if she chooses. She has three dragons and two large armies. It's no contest. That is, if the WW don't get there first. Trust or no trust, he ultimately has no choice. When Robb was named King in the North, a key argument was that the dragons were gone. Well, they're back.
Emilia's acting at 21:20 is superb, the subtle slow blink and swallow like she's ever so slightly showing concern for Jon. But then has to save face and say something regal like "I haven't given you permission to leave" so as to not look weak despite her initial reservations of Jon beginning to thaw.
i looooove how she handled that scene as an actress. it was both perfectly subtle and obvious at the same time what Dany was thinking/feeling.
@@saradojcinovic6146 In the outline this scene was decribed as the couple arguing because of "not wanting her man venture into harm's way".
@@Dak1624 I've read it and honestly I think she nailed that message, it really did feel like it
And they TOTALLY didnt pick up on it like 50% of GoT fans.... smh
She is such a fantastic "face actor". Every emotion is on her face perfectly at all times.
She had to get her hands dirty. She lost a good part of her fleet, and lost the Dornish and Tyrell connect. Playing it safe wasn't working for her.
Plus, she had to assert her leadership. A wannabe queen cannot keep waiting on her island while others do the conquering for her.
dany was doing exactly what theon did to ser rodrik. at least theon had to be pushed to it by other ironborn using the same exact reasons that dany fanbois now use to justify dany. if you were disgusted with what theon did, and now justify dany, you are a hypocritical dany fanboi by definition.
@@sittingnut1 so with logic she should sit on her hands and hope for the best?
Dany needed to show leadership and strength. You cannot be a queen if you do not display a show of power. She did the right thing, regardless if there were lives lost. Randell Tarley view is very bigoted and narrow mined; to keep him alive would be akin to cancer for he would, no doubt, start a revolt. Beside she had the Dothraki with her, didn't Jorah Mormont said to Dany in season 1 "The Dothraki follow only the strong", if she faltered she would have lost them too.
@@twokingz04 did i say that? fanbois like you imagine things due to confused air sloshing around in their empty brains due to all that bowing down and sucking(if not, do explain why you asked that idiotic question?). lol.
dany is free to do evil contemptible actions, just like theon and others, to get what she desires.
I don't really want to get into the whole Jon and Danny who should bend to who discussion, but I will say that it's one of my pet peeves that in none of their interactions does Jon ever bring up Maester Aemon. He see's Jorah and it's all I served with your father what a great man etc. How much smoother would things have gone if he told Dany about her Uncle and how wise and how much he respected him and relied on him and knew from first hand experience that not all Targaryans were the Mad King.
I'm still hoping he is brought up next season : /
@@ignitetheballoon9054 I'm still waiting for that conversation in 2023!!
Drogon can smell that Targaryen blood in Jon
Drogon: Mommy i smell a Targ......is that daddy?
Cousin
@@fuzzy__dunlop you mean Aunt or Nephew?
Nephew.
@@chasingenigma7482 - no, I mean cousin.
If Daenerys is Jon's Aunt and Drogon is her child then Jon would be his cousin.
In regards to Varys and Tyrion's conversation, which was basically "poor Dickon and Randall" and "Dany's gone too far" (and by the way, these comments also appear on every reaction video to this episode) ... Tyrion and Bronn lit Stannis's entire army (*hundreds* of people) on fire with one fell swoop at Battle of Blackwater and everyone thought it was awesome.
I think that's part of the brilliance of GRRM and the show, it exposes people's inner hypocrisy.
True, but does that make burning unarmed prisoners awesome, too?
@@KiltBill2 They are members of the opposing side in a war, I don't see how it's any different. They even got an opportunity to switch sides and save their lives - obviously something they are not opposed to, seeing as they just did it by switching from Olenna to Cersei. All of Stannis's crew that got burned alive didn't get that option.
Ikr
There is a big difference in killing in and outside of battle. But I think the hypocrisy I see is that no killing should be praised; not the killing in battle, nor the killing outside of it. I'm not saying Dany is wrong, but if you go "fuck yeah Dracarys or fuck yeah Wildfire" and think these are horrible just because it's not during a battle, you're an hypocrite.
Hmm ... I just can't agree. When Stannis was trying to take King's Landing, he led the charge up the beach and was the first person up the ladders to fight. Same with Jon at the Battle of the Bastards. If Dany sent her army out to fight but stayed behind herself to stay safe, that would be like a Ramsay move.
Kristin Carter she’s personally never seen battle
@@jayeff15 She's riding Drogon, something she's done plenty, not on the front lines with a sword fighting hand to hand. She has to be out there with her troops, helping and giving moral support. We wouldn't expect anything else. Running away and hiding a la Joffrey at Battle of Blackwater? I don't think so.
Ramsey met Yara's squad toe to toe and shirtless.
@@robertrodriguez1964 Yeah, he outnumbered them and had his dogs. I was more referring to the battle situation, like this one was. During that instance, he stayed out of it.
@@robertrodriguez1964 It was a squad, not an army. And, he had her (& her men) backed into a corner. AND she still got out.
Side note to last episode: I have noticed that the the soldiers that fight out of love, fight harder because their leaders fight with them, are willing to risk their lives too. Dany, Jon!!! They wouldn't have any people at all if they didn't have the respect and LOVE of their people.
She is Targaryen! They are crazy folks! They have fire in their veins, they don't stay at home waiting, they go to the field. She is a conquer, just like Aegon.
how many Aegons were there? like 7?
@@jedenzet Five Aegons who were king, many more named Aegon who were never kings
jedenzet None of them were conquerors like the first. Which is what she’s being compared to
And now like aegon she's dead.... Off the field..in a throne room...
@@yourevilhalf1413 Yep
But a the end she made it to conquer the seven kingdoms with fire and blood just like Aegon and his sisters
Sadly now she lost the game of thrones, thing that Aegon invented
The actor who played Bronn had a problem with his mailman refusing to deliver his mail over shooting Drogon lol 😂
The main point between Jons decision is supposed to be a comparison with him giving the same choice jon gave to Mance Rader :)
Especially when Jon said, "my people wont kneel to a southern ruler.." and Danearys replying with the same words Jon spoke, "isnt their lives more important than your pride?"
Daenerys and Jon have more in common than just blood. They both are willing to fight on the battlefield for their people. I heard Kings back in the day did as well, and I cannot think of a better way to inspire and motivate the soldiers.
Jon doesn't want to bend the knee because he barely knows Daenerys, and because of this he cannot convince the North to follow her.
Daenerys gave many opportunities for the Tarly's to bend the knee and by following through with her sentencing she showed the other soldiers that she keeps her word. She couldn't keep a powerful lord alive while he openly denounced her. Also, they died quickly from Drogon's direct fire blast. Cersei and the Tarly's didn't offer Olenna a choice.
dany was doing exactly what theon did to ser rodrik. at least theon had to be pushed to it by other ironborn using the same exact reasons that dany fanbois now use to justify dany. if you were disgusted with what theon did, and now justify dany, you are a hypocritical dany fanboi by definition
@@sittingnut1 I don't use that reasoning, but Theon's scenario is not the same as Daenerys. Theon had no right to attack Winterfell where the Starks took care of him. Also, the Starks weren't at war with him. Daenerys is going back home to claim what is rightfully hers, and what never was Cersei's. What Daenerys did was like what Stannis did to Mance. He gave him a choice, and Stannis was a man of his word. Or like what Jon did to Janos. He gave him a choice and did not waiver when Janos pleaded for mercy.
"Daenerys and Jon have more in common than just blood. They both are willing to fight on the battlefield for their people."
That is categorically false, Jon fights to protect the realm, he doesn't seek power, he is given that power by people around him. He was literally voted into leadership twice. Daenerys seeks power and takes it by force (by Dragons most of the time). Her primary objective since S2 was to reclaim Iron Throne and re-establish Targaryen Dynasty. The people she helped along the way was mostly a bi-product of her conquest. If she really wanted to help people, she could have stayed back in Meereen and help restructure the society (slavers bay) she "liberated", but she moved on to her another conquest (Westeros) leaving Meereen in the hands of a bunch of sell swords who clearly don't give a shit about that place. Both of their stories have some parallels, but their motivations are completely different.
@@harishrao2000 There reasons for fighting for their people is different, but both still fight for their people.
I wouldn't call what she is doing "fighting"
One of the things I like about both Jon and Daenerys is that they are both leaders. Not rulers, but leaders, who will fight the battles themselves, first in front of their men and while, yes, I agree that is bad from a safety perspective, since, like you said, they are persons of importance, it still is a quality I think is the reason why both of them are so amazing and inspiring, and good Queen and King for their people. They fight for their people, they don't just ask people to fight for them.
Sara Dojcinovic “Fight the battles themselves.”
Lmao, how is hiding on top of a Dragon any different to Ramsay hiding behind his men?
Actually it’s worse because the Dragon is guaranteed to win.
Jon stood with a sword against a cavalry charge ON HIS OWN.
These situations are NOT comparable.
@@Longshanks1690 I see your point, but also to be fair, it's not completely valid, since you have to have in mind that everyone fights their battles the best way they can. Dragons are Dany's weapon, just like Longclaw is Jon's. The risk is still there for them anyway, more or the same. Jon has the advantage of his skill in battle face to face, and Dany has dragons, which aren't unkillable.
But like I said, I get your point, and agree a bit with it since I do think that Jon is more 'head first in front of people' kind of guy, though you can't just say that Dany also doesn't fight her battles herself.
@@Longshanks1690 Yeah, guaranteed to win... umm what about ep6 tho?
Jon HAD to stand up against a cavalry "on his own" because he was stupid enough to run to Rickon. Had he been really alone, he would have died. His army is what saved his ass, not his "talent" at swordfighting.
@@Longshanks1690 the difference between Dany and that dick is he fights for HIMSELF and cares for HIMSELF Dany tries her hardest to be a good and fair leader. She's learning yes but putting them in the same category is laughable 💀👀
They are both terrible as a King and a Queen. She's a conquerer and he is a soldier, that's what they are good at. Ruling is not their thing however.
But that's not who Daenerys is...she is a queen who fights for her people...and she will go into battle WITH them...that's why they respect and follow her.
Right!, Dothraki follow strength above all. They follow their Khals/Khaleesi into battle.
"going into battle" has nothing to do with it. it was her first "battle". the Unsullied are with Dany cause she freed them. Dotrakis are with her cause she burned their leaders and she got them with trick magic. and she has dragons. respect is not part of that.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 lolwut? The Unsullied "respect" her because she freed them. The Dothraki "respect" her because off her strength with the dragons
Cut the bullshit,no one gives a fuck about Dany if she doesn't have dragons, they fear her dragons,not her.
And to break it down to you,fear and respect are two different things.
"I wanna pet a dragon"
"Best day ever"
Show how much love Nikki have for animals xD
Daenarys attacked the Lannister army in the field because Tyrions advice cost her both of her major allies. The Tyrells and Dorne. She also needed to also weaken the Lannister army because she lost a lot of her allies soldiers.
When you talk about how Jon should bend the knee, you have to remember that he has probably not seen the first six seasons of Game of Thrones. All he knows about Dani is that her father burned his uncle alive. Also, his first impression of her is that she declares him more or less to be her enemy. It's sweet that you want all the 'good guys' to get along, but within the logic of the story it's almost illogical that they theme up as quickly as they do.
I love how Tarly clams to be loyal "our house doesn't stab its rivals in the back" speech but then as soon as he's offered the tyrrel title of warden of the south his loyalty changes to Cersei 👍 ok randyl we believe your loyal...Dany did right thing he knew what he was doing with his speech in front of all those soldiers had she not killed him she would have looked weak and everyone would have feared Cersei more...
she should have done damage and leave. that way you look dominant and don't have to destroy whole houses. Because her destroying house yea she looks intimidating but she loses the propanda war to Cersei People of Westeros are not gonna like that.
Jon asked mance rayder to bend the knee to stannis
@@musspuss Except the North isn't in a submissive position to Dany. Arguably they could beat her in open War. Not to mention they would be on the defense in Northern territory making it easier.
@@musspuss No, Jon back then was exactly like Dany, in that he was ignorant of power mchanisms beyond the wall. Mance couldn't heve knelt, because wildlings would have simply "disowned" him. Jon can't kneel, because northmen would take his crown along with his head.
@@jamtex2 Exactly. Jon, at the time, didn't have the weight of nearly half the realm depending on him to protect them & make decisions in their stead.
Alex James um no she has three dragons. She could burn everything down but she doesn’t because she isn’t Mad. Also the north just had a civil war, they’re broken down.
@@musspuss Jon said it to save Mance from being burned alive! Dany is the hypocrite, doing it for power! There is a difference! Everything Jon has done has been for others, where Dany's motivation has been to sit on the throne!
Yes you are missing something - Lady Mormont summed it up in Episode 10 of Season 6 - "We know no King but the King in the North who is called Stark". An _independent_ North from the Iron Throne.
Did anybody else notice how worried/ sad Mother Dragon looked when Jon said he has to go beyond the wall? Then she put in her queen face and tried to act like it didn’t just happen. I think she likeeeee!
Can you guys dress up as dany and Jon again for the final?
I saw what you did there
@@akilmanwaring7767 haha yes smart comment xD xP
HAHAHA
22:19 the CGI on the dragons were paramount for this season so ghost only got a honorable mention
I like how Drogon leaps into the air when he leaves.
What does Randall and Dickon being father and son have to do with anything? She didn't kill them because their relations and she didn't force Dickon to follow his father to the grave. Dickon made up his own mind, as did Randall who joined the Lannister forces because he thought he'd get his hands on the Reach once he helped wipe out House Tyrell.
dany was doing exactly what theon did to ser rodrik. at least theon had to be pushed to it by other ironborn using the same exact reasons that dany fanbois now use to justify dany. if you were disgusted with what theon did, and now justify dany, you are a hypocritical dany fanboi by definition.
@@sittingnut1 Theon was a Starks ward, so he was under their command and he betrayed them. Dany on the other hand never betrayed Tarly because they never been allies. Tarly on the other hand betrayed Tyrells because in the past they swore fealty to House Tyrell and they became their vassals.
@@sittingnut1 what? Dany gave Randall the options of jail or the wall as well and he refused. He told her she wasn't his queen and didn't have the authority to jail him. He wanted her to burn him. He was given 3 other choices and made the choice himself to die. Dickon then went against his father's wishes and chose to die with him. They were given options. They were given far more options than anyone else in any other Army has given anyone.
@@iloveyourunclebob i must lol@ you for your lie. dany, the failed queen of slave cities, loving mother of child killer drogon, entitled brat with low intelligence, etc, didn't give any option to tarlys. lies don't work in debates only facts do. now go worship the idiot dany. lol@ the fool
@@iloveyourunclebob far more options ? She literally said surrender or die. none if them are really options in war and more over Dany can't lead ,I mean we saw how ruling in mereen worked right?
Dany: - I'm happy to see you again, Jorah. You know, I've just burnt a lord and his son for not bending the knee.
Jorah: - I'll never judge you, my Queen. What was their family name?
Dany: - Tarly. Randyll and Dickon.
Jorah: - Their son and brother healed my grayscale...
Dany:
Jorah: But also their son and brother took the risk and healed my greyscale because my father was super kind to the tarly boy!
@Your Welcome
Only Randyll. We' ve seen no evidence of Dickon ever being a dick to Sam.
He was still a dickon to him.
Jon: Samwell is my best friend in the world, and it sounds like he is getting his wish.
Dany: His wish?
Jon: To be a wizard.....
The only reason the Targaryens ever had the throne to begin with was Aegon The Conqueror and his two sisters riding dragons in every single battle. To her, I'm sure it's a point of pride, and her place in history won't be secure unless she wins the battles herself.
Regarding Dany in battle: Both the Dothraki and Unsullied are built for the battlefield. They're ill-suited to win a siege. With Dany forbidding pillaging the countryside, the Westerosi forces have no incentive to leave their castles and engage. The dragons are her power advantage, but they do her no good sitting on the sidelines; they have to be used and she's the only one who can direct them.
I agree with Nikki: what Dany offered those Lannister soldiers was not a choice. More like an ultimatum.
Yes, it was Robert who said, “only a fool would face the Dothraki in an open field”
He also said the first person he killed was “some fool who thought he could end the rebellion with one swing”
Something Jaime tried to do last episode when he charged at Daenerys.
"What kind of queen am I if I'm not willing to risk my life to fight them." It's not in Dany's (or Jon's) nature to sit back and let others do the fighting for them. It worries me as much as it worries you. But part of what we love so much about Dany is her bravery, nobility, and strength of will. Those aspects of her personality are always going to drive her to fight her own (literal and metaphorical) battles.
Interview with a Vampire one of the best movies ever 🖤🌿
Claudia's end still makes me anxious and it's been like 20 years since I've seen the movie for the first time. And she's even younger in the book. Five, I think.
I thought the same thing too.
@@ignitetheballoon9054 yes I know right !
watching the episodes and coming to see you reaction in full have made you both an important part in my GoT watching experience. it's like you both are actually part of the show!!
Daenerys is s controversial character, and that's what makes her brilliant. She has some characteristics of the typical protagonist/hero, with some unique differences. One being that she becomes ruthless with her enemies, and is willing to do brutal killings. In my opinion, she is a great character, and a proper ruler. A ruler that is decisive but also willing to listen.
There are others that have also stated that she didn't give them a choice, but she did. You don't take prisoners in war, so she should have killed them all instead of even sitting them down to make them the offer....so they did have a choice.
Robert Rerite “You don’t take prisoners in war.”
So Jaime in Season 1 and 2 was...what exactly?
And how is that a choice?
Surrender to the foreign invader or die horribly?
So much for breaking the wheel and making a better world!
@@Longshanks1690 More times that not...you don't take prisoners. So instead of killing them on the field, she grabbed them...gave them a choice to either have their original fate or join her...that is a choice. By definition, having more than one option and having your pick...that is having a choice. She is breaking the wheel. Let's not be naive now lol....hard choices are made during times of war.
@@Longshanks1690 lol, Jaime was held captive because Sansa was in Kingslanding and they were intending to trade.
dany was doing exactly what theon did to ser rodrik. at least theon had to be pushed to it by other ironborn using the same exact reasons that dany fanbois now use to justify dany. if you were disgusted with what theon did, and now justify dany, you are a hypocritical dany fanboi by definition
@@sittingnut1 Not the same...just bringing that up shows that you don't know what you are talking about. Invading someone's land and strongarming folks isn't the same as being in war and taking on war prisoners. Dany is the rightful queen taking back her lands and kingdom, she gave the defeated army a choice, which she didn't need to do...it's really simple to understand. Theon wasn't a rightful anything there, he was just invading a, at the time, neutral territory...not the same thing as an actual war between a pretender crown and the heir to the throne.
You have no idea how stupid Tyrion's strategy is in this season , I mean Cersei will never surrender , she can only be killed.. And Tyrion being her brother must have known this
Yes! Thank you so much. I just got home from work and this is a good way to relieve stress. Thanks, Nikki and Steven!
20:00 varys said that if he ever thought Daenerys was making a mistake he'd look her in the eyes and tell her. It looks like he waited until she lost everything before doing so
Can i just say...as someone who watches GOT reactions: you guys are the only ones who i believe read the comments and then include them in your discussions.*slow clap.
Sending all the good vibes your way!!! You guys are sooooooooooooooo close to being done. I can't believe it. You actually get to wait a bit with us. All of the theories.....where are we going? what are your predictions? Are many times a week are you gonna cry from withdrawal!?!?!
“The Fellowship of Eastwatch”
So, couple quick points. Dany needed to lead the attack on the Lannister army as that battle was as much a demonstration of power as it was a strategic move. It's akin to dropping the bomb on Hiroshima. Up to that point Cersei and Jamie believed that they could outmanoeuvre Dany. That they could frustrate and bleed her to a slow defeat. Like Tywin in had done with Robb. By unleashing the Dothraki and Drogon she sent a huge message. You can see how it affected Jamie. Second thing is that the North are done bowing to Kings Landing. They want to self govern and become independent. If John bends the knee to a southern monarch he is going against that. It's not a matter of pride for him. (or at least it's not JUST a matter of pride.) All those nobles that called him King in the North wouldn't take that well...and he's only just United them.
Plot Armor is strong this season. Really kills the tension that the show used to have.
That was what Jaimie's armour was made from: plot.
That and the school play dialogue.
Another Novel Note: Surprisingly, using dragons to execute men who had surrendered was not a common occurrence during the Targaryen reign. Death by dragon remained limited to open battle. The first record of an execution by dragon was when King Aegon II fed his half-sister Rhaenyra to his dragon at the end of the Dance of the Dragons. Even the infamous Maegor Targaryen (Maegor the Cruel) used hangings and beheadings rather than dragon fire.
I for sure cried during the Jon and Drogon scene the first time I watched it, very beautiful 💕
Thanks for the schedule heads up, and for allowing us to take this journey with you.
Hey, so Jon doesn't *have* to bend the knee to anyone; the North was an independent kingdom for thousands with the Starks as Kings In The North before Aegon's Conquest 300 years before the current story, which was just because of the dragons; for e.g there's no way he'd bend the knee to Cersei if Dany ended up losing somehow, no reason to, southerners don't do well up north so no invading army'd have a chance, especially in winter
When Tarly says "Your sister was born in Westeros" uuuuuh buddy, Dragonstone IS in Westeros. Sure, she's brought two foreign armies over, that's a good point, but she WAS born in Westeros SMH.
Cercei rule: "In the Game of Thrones if you don't win you die". Cercei is not limited by moral or ethic values as Oleana said to Jaimie, so Daenerys must to play with no mercy if she wants change Westeros for good.
Hope you guys do reactions for the history and lore stuff for each season, they’re so much fun
Notification squad! Yaaay two parters all the way to the end. Love this! Yes, Daenerys is important but there is a theme going on - if a leader will not fight and risk their life for their troops, why should they fight for them? Kings of old have fought on the battlefield with their men for this very reason. She inspires them, and they respond in kind. Jon understands this, that is why he alluded to that when he parlayed with Ramsay before the Battle of the Bastards.
Jon said it himself: He doesn't know Danaerys, he can't bend the knee. We know Danaerys, so we think he should. Ned knew Robert, so he bent the knee. In season 6 episode 10 Jon was proclaimed king, at that moment The North sesceded from the seven kingdoms. At the moment they're not a part of the kingdoms and to them on paper whoever rules the kingdoms, Cersei or Danaerys, isn't their business. Jon don't have to bend the knee to anyone, ever, he is a sovereign king of an independent kingdom like the North was before the Targaryen invasion. Not now, not eventually, not ever if he don't want to and his bannermen would support him. Lady Mormont is completely uninterested in Danaerys and so is Glover, Umber and the others.
Thank you guys for your first time analysis and being so open with your feelings. All these scenes were controversial when they came out so I was feeling very mixed as well. After a year to think, I do side with Dany more and understand where she comes from. Love opening up this conversation again!! You’re understanding all the opinions of a year in less than a week and for that I commend you 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 love you both
stannis and his perfect grammar is contagious across westros, now even dany is saying fewer rather than less, lol
Cersei, the real Mad Queen, wouldn't have given her enemies a choice.
Yup as seen in season six she blows them up without any fucks given.
well the Lannisters imprison people and dany is more like "you bend the knee or you burn"
"Join me or die " yeah a great choice.
Nikki is 100% right about Jon bending the knee. Jon does not know Daenerys well, it's a risk bending the knee to a foreign invader. Ned knew Robert well and chose to support him which meant going against the crown. That's a decision that he had to live with for the rest of his life, like Jon with Daenerys. On top of that, the North does NOT like the Targaryens and they don't trust southerners in general. After Ned Stark lost his head, the North lost trust. They're going to be very pissed, those are Jon's people and subjects. It's a massive betrayal even if it's for the greater good.
love Nikki remembering "you will never walk but you will fly"
Yay! Forgot the was no video yesterday. So excited for this one.
She is going to have to go into battle at some point. For the dragons to be of use, they need to have riders. Just like her ancestors did when they came to Westeros... she has to ride Drogon into battle.
one of the more controversial scenes, but i was glad when tarly died. he was an ass and he got what was coming in my opinion.
besides, its war. join or die seems reasonable enough for the losing side. she very well could have burned them all during the battle, but she gave them the choice of life.
Jenna And the wheel keeps on spinning.
@@Longshanks1690 She can't break the wheel if she's not in power. She needs to win the war to get there (in her mind). I'm certainly not saying that Daenerys will "break the wheel" when she becomes Queen. I truly don't think she'll be able to do so because... politics. But lmao @ people blaiming her for taking WAR actions and making decisions that anyone in times of what would have made (and did make... Robb also killed people for desobeing him, people who were his bannermen- not his enemies! He even got his wolf to eat one of his bannermen's fingers for... what? Disrespecting him during a meeting? Whatever)
@@MARYWTHER yet, when demanding Jon bend the knee, she used the history of what "the wheel" had done to justify herself. I.e "your ancesters bent the knee when the Tigarian wheel forced them to, therefore I am queen"
If the Knight's watch is disbanded, can Sam the slayer take Lord of Horn Hill in his father's place.
Being an ass justifies being burned alive? In what world is that ok? It's not even remotely ok in our modern Western world. Death sentence for being a d*ck? That's tyrannical.
Binged y'all season 6 reactions so much greatness 💯
I think Jon's whole issue was trusting Dany...or moreso trusting a Targaryen. He mentions how the last Stark to visit a Targaryen was brutally executed. I think he just wants to feel out who she is before he bows the whole North to her. Yes, he will have to eventually IF she gets the throne...but she doesn't have it yet.
I love you both. Yous are my favourite UA-camrs but I do think that the criticism you received in regards to Daenerys was fair. Other criticisms like Nikki being upset about animals was unfair and dickish. I can tell you've taken on that criticism so well though and with class. So respect. :)
I did want to point out to yous though in the last video but couldn't for spoilers... that when you criticised Daenerys for reiterating that she was the rightful Queen, using Tywins "Any man who says I am the King is no true King" line at her, I did want to just point it out that here, Jon also says "I am a King." ;) :P
Also about Daenerys going into battle being a danger, I get it. But remember when Jon said to Ramsey, "will your men wanna fight for you when they hear you wouldn't fight for them"? Jon and Daenerys are the kind of leaders, unlike Ramsey, that will be head first in battle with their people. That's a big part of what makes them admirable. :)
Omgomgomg yessss!!!!! Made my day again!
I have to say, I'm really enjoying this 2 parts per episode set up
I think that she gives them a choice because it is a war, she can burn all of them because they are the enemy, but instead, she offered them a chance to live.
EARLY BIRD GETS THE DRAGON GLASS
"The one who passes the sentence should swing the sword" she did do that, in her own way. Drogon is a literal extension of herself. She said "dracarys" which is the equivalent to her swinging a sword at them. Like how Sansa released hounds on Ramsey (no one has a problem with honour there). Like Jon and the hanging. He snapped the rope by swinging a sword. I feel like I'm going to be returning to him and that moment a LOT.
We really need to establish that Ned Stark's philosophies aren't always correct. If someone doesn't follow them to a tee, they're not immediately wrong. Ned literally got himself arrested by adhering to his philosophies - we're supposed to recognise that his way of living was deeply flawed, especially when dealing with people who weren't honourable. Just because someone isn't taking an active part in the death of those they accused, doesn't mean they're less of a person. Obviously, if you believe Ned's way is the best way, then yeah she's in the wrong. But then so is Sansa and so is Jon, for neither of them "swung the sword". Let's also add Tyrion to the list, since it was his idea for the killing of the masters before they left Mereen, but Grey Worm did the dirty work.
🤧 that was beautiful
Kim Carragher That is not a Targaryen tradition. The Stark's do that so they never forget how horrible death is. Daenerys has drogon do it so the others never forget how horrible death is and choose to bend the knee.
That harpoon thing guys is called a Ballista used in medieval warfare for sacking castles.
15:36 Drogon: I sense something, a presence I haven't felt since... Mom, he's like you.
When i watched Dany executing them, i didn't know how to feel at first but then i thought about it a bit and it's clear. She did the right thing. Tarlys did the same thing to Tyrells like Boltons to Starks and no one would complain about how THEY ended up. Tyrells were their liege lord, they were loyal to them for centuries but turned on them and murdered them. The same thing happened with Boltons and Starks. Boltons supported Joffrey on the throne and Tarlys support Cersei. Betrayal like this deserves their execution no doubt. Daenerys was actually rather kind to them (in hindsight i would expect them all to be barbecued for what they've done without asking), she asked for their loyalty and so she spared the soldiers who knelt. Tarly refused, at that moment Dany seemed to be considering sending him to the wall but he told her no, she's not his queen. So she did the only thing left, she executed them. Dickon is an idiot but he chose this.
Also Daenerys can't go around and lock up every lord or soldier who doesn't agree with her and wait for them to change their minds. Winter is coming and she would soon be out of space.
She should´ve let the son live... wasn´t right choice
@@lukasmesaros9431 he said "you'll have to kill me, too". He's a grown man, that was the choice he made.
Spot on, that was what I had thought when I saw the episode.
@@KiltBill2 another excuse for Dany´s actions? He wants to be like his father. It´s fathers fault that he made him an idiot but deffo not son´s fault. As Daenerys said : Dont judge me by my ancestors crimes ... its not him who betrayed Elena it was his father he is just young and unexperienced. so she has all rights to kill everyone she likes okay sorry my bad what a "great queen"...
Actually, the Tyrells royalled fucked the Tarlys more than once. In fact, the only Tyrells in power with a good mind in this generation were the Queen of Thorns and Margaery.
The Lord of the house, Mace Tyrell, was a brutish man who cared little for strategy or politics. He only cared for fame and power. In more than one occasion, he would steal the merits from his vassals, and there is no greater example of this than what he did to House Tarly in Robert's Rebellion.
Plus, ultimately, loyalty to the kingdom supersedes loyalty to individual houses. If your liege rises up in revolt against the crown, the house isn't obligated to follow them. The houses pledge loyalty to their liege, and their liege pledges loyalty to the crown. Before you sit on that high horse and talk about House Tarly "betrayal", do remind that the Tyrells:
- Supported Ramsay over Stannis, the rightful heir to the throne, for political power.
- Immediately changed their allegiance to the Lannisters when Remly died, for political power
- Murdered their king with poison (If that isn't treason I don't know what is)
So things aren't as cut and dry as you are painting them out to be.
TL;DR The Tyrells put the Tarly's in an impossible position, after years of screwing them over. The Tyrells sided with Daenerys without a care for their vassals, who could not hide behind their great castle like the Tyrells could. They didn't ask for the advice or the opinion of their vassals. The Queen of Thorns made a decision based on anger and didn't care how that affected the people attached to house Tyrell, on top of murdering their king and betraying their kindgom. The Tyrells are the traitors.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Why was she given dragons if people dont expect her to use them? Like... I don't get the line of thinking there. And shes not Bolton hiding in her Castle having people do the fighting people for her. She wants to fight and, like Jon, I find that so honorable.
Also, It was good to see your thoughts evolve over jon bending the knee.
Also, Tarly wanted to kill Sam if he didnt join the Watch. BURN TARLY BURNNNNNN!
Cant wait for the next episode! *grabs popcorn*
I just can't believeeee we are already going towards the end of season 7!! Insaneeee
The hardest part about seeing the Tarley family get executed is the fact Sams dad will never see how great a man Sam has become in the end. He will be a key part to the survival of the human race
Nikki: (after thorough explanation of schedule) wait...Is it going to be in two parts or...?" LMFAO you two are hilarious
Torrhen Stark, known as the King Who Knelt, was a head of House Stark who reigned as King in the North until Aegon I Targaryen invaded Westeros with his dragons. He was named Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North after submitting to Aegon during the War of Conquest.
The same would probably happen to Jon.
only the 15th beer!had fun last nigh and having to stop Rolling Stones live music to see this nice review!hugs and kisses from denmark!!
19:12 "Is he the one..??? Did you noticed the concern in that maester eyes when he answered the Grand Maester the question??? Did You know why??? Because in that moment Samwell Tarly it is by law of the realm , the "LORD of the REACH". Old Town is nothing more then the second big city of the Reach after Highgarden. Tarly is the second most noble family in the Reach after the defunct House Tyrell.
Any future king of the Seven Kingdoms will be force by law to give Sam the title of "Lord of the Reach. He is the only male heir of his family.
Any of you will say that he is a sworn brother of the Night's Watch. What will happen with Night's Watch in season eight ??? Once the wall ruined, I don't think they will keep going as an organization, they will be disbanded, or destroyed by the Night King. Sam will be then,,, what???????.
Best friend to the King of the Seven Kingdoms, Aegon Targaryen ( a.k.a. Jon Snow) . Do You think Jon will refuse to name Sam Lord of the Reach ???
Do You think Jon will refuse to name Sam Lord of the Reach ??? I don't think so.
Do You think Jon will deny Gendry Baratheon the title of "Lord of the Stormlands" ??? I do not think so, not after all Gendry did for the war effort. And never forget another presumption, Arya Baratheon, Arya Stark can become his wife, she loves Gendry.
They stretched it a bit too far with two men in full armour swimming away to safety and that too underwater, don't you think? Especially when Jaime has one usable hand.
The river was a rush. I don't know if you've ever been in the Colorado River (which I have) but there are parts that look calm on the surface, but move very fast on the undercurrent. Which is where you probably go if you were wearing full armor and fell in. Hope that clears it up.
@@robertrodriguez1964 bull shit. Dany just saw them land in the lake/river. Why would she just leave? Very unrealistic scene.
KrypticSoul I have an answer for that I think, she had no way of knowing it was jamie because shes never seen him before and probably assumed this random guy who was wearing full armor was already dead by drowning.
@@crystall.411 Sorry I don't buy that. When you have a Lannister on your counsel and they had all the time in the world between travels to receive advisement from said counsel, there is no way Dany wouldn't know who Jaime is. Especially when you are going to ambush a lannister army, better damn well know how is leading that army. That is just foolish to believe that she doesn't know who Jaime is, and if that is the case then that's just more terrible writing in season 7.
@@sython135 of course she knows of him, but how could she possibly know what he looks like? It's not like she can spend time studying his armor and compare it the other soldiers while he's charging at her. Tyrion would literally have to be jumping up and down and screaming THAT'S HIM THAT'S JAIME in order for Dany to know. There aren't just paintings of Jaime all over the place. Sorry, but I don't buy that she should know what someone who she has never met looks like, and has no way of knowing what he looks like short of Tyrion asking Jaime to sit for a painting and have it sent to Dany. Tyrion can't just show her a picture of Jaime from his phone. He can hire a painter and trying to have that painter paint Jaime, based on his description of him or ask Jaime to sit down for a painting just so Dany can study his face on the off chance they meet in battle. I doubt that happened.
"No, I do not. Dragons are where our partnership ends."
I love Bronn.
All based on perspective and everyone has a reason. I’ve always gone by the motto that says you can not change others persons action, but you can control your reaction to their action.
Bending the Knee is not a good option. In the North choose their king for fight for them, not for bending the knee...
"I did not come here to kill anyone"
"Join me or die"
*burns ppl alive*
okay Dany
What happened before that, she was first being attacked, her navy. And now it is war, people die.
@@stevem2323 Murdering leaders instead of reinstating them is the quickest way to fail a conquest and make sure your future rule is nice and full of rebellions. Shes doing the same thing she did in Mereen where she just started swinging her dick around instead of thinking about things for a split second. Take over, burn people and then what? What is she going to do? Does she have a plan as to who will replace the Tarlys for administration? No she just wants things her way and fuck what happens to the common people after, same as in Mereen where she had no idea what do do with the economy or the society after freeing the slaves leading to so much unnecessary death. Does she know anything about ruling that portion of westeros? No, nobody in her army does, atleast no one she can leave behind. By doing this you are only leaving hundreds, maybe thousands of people without their leaders and walking off to let them fend for their selves. All because she wanted two dudes to kneel DUE IMMEDIATELY after winning the battle. Thats why Tirion asked her to give them a chance to think it through. If you just saw your men, friends, probably family die horribly at the hands of some girl who showed up out of nowhere you are never going to kneel immediately after, specially if you're supposed to be leading whats left of these people. And then she has the nerve to talk about how benevolent she is and how shes different. She didn't just kill two Tarlys. In one move she wiped out an ancient house (which will culturally piss off every other great house killing her chances for getting further support), wiped out all the people in Horn Hill who are going to die in a succession debacle because she just offed their leaders and left, she wiped out all the people in the future who will fight her for what she did there if she manages to win the throne. She might be a bad ass conqueror but on the grand scheme of things shes a person who acts with no concept of consequence and genuinely doesn't care what happens after as long as she fucks shit up and feel good about herself. We spent season with her on Mereen so she learned how to rule and after all of that shes landing in westeros and making the same mistakes one for one. Let others figure out how to un-fuck shit up. You know who else did that, Robert Baratheon and Aerys Targaryen. She contradicted herself in the span of 3 sentences in her first time addressing westerosi people for crying out loud. Somehow 7 seasons in she is still the little girl with big dragons, bigger ego and no idea what shes doing. Shes not breaking the wheel, shes a discount copy of the wheel. Either do what you say or say what you do, you cant have it both ways or youre just making the truth be what you want it. You know who thought like that, Joffrey. She might not have the deep personality flaws of Robert, Aerys or Joffrey that made us dislike them in the show but on a fundamental level she is behaving like them. (btw sorry i went off this long, i spend wayyyy too many hours doing character analysis in my spare time)
Interview with a vampire is one of the best movies i've seen!
There were millions of Wildlings north of the Wall. Were. Take that knowledge to heart.
To be honest, I thought it was pretty strategic to burn someone alive in front of everyone else. Kill one rebel, in such a terrifying way, and the others would soon come to their sense about being brave. They'll choose living over dying. I think the one issue is that Dany didn't expect the son to also volunteer to die. It made the message seem cruel rather than practical.
You have to remember that the Tarlys are oath breakers who butcher all of the Tyrells with the Lannisters. Olenna told Dany to be a dragon. She's being a dragon. That doesn't stop at traitors, especially traitors who choose to incite rebellion - if she let that man live, the other soliders would follow suit. The dragon fire was a bit much though, in a political sense. She should've beheaded them, as its more Westerosi.
Dany is still acting no worse than Jon. Who, you know, hanged a 10 year old boy for treason. We saw that as Jon being tough and justified. Dany is killing a treasonous person. Just because it's by dragon fire doesn't make her worse than Jon. In fact, you could argue dragon fire is a much quicker death than hanging. Both are quite brutal ways to go.
She could have handled it a little differently, for sure, but the result should've been the same. We only think she's in the wrong because Tyrion is so torn. We're forgetting that Tyrion is not only incredibly biased, having witnessed the deaths of Lannisters, but also that he doesn't always give great advice. Like?? He's already lost her multiple allies. She's definitely listening to Olenna's advice in this scene (ESPECIALLY since these are the people that killed her).
Honestly, she did it in a significantly more humane way than Aegon and his sisters did. They met the soldiers on a dry wheat field and didn't even bother attacking the soldiers with the dragons. They burned the wheat surrounding the soldiers and let the fire do the rest. I think it was around 1k burned alive and 10k left with horrendous burn wounds. Only the head of Lannister family was left of the 3 armies and he quickly knelt after that shit. Dany broke the line a couple of times and only attacked the carts. After only burned two people, giving them options at Tyrion's suggestion, and they chose death. They even highlight how little Dany used the dragons on the soldiers by Jamie freaking out at how the Dothraki slaughtered them all, while only talking about Drogon destroying the carts.
Plus, she now has Jon Snow and this Army of the Dead in the back of her mind possibly swaying her into taming her dragon (the metaphorical one inside of her) in case he is right because they will need as many soldiers as possible.
And that's how you get a reputation as a mad tyrant and guarantee those who bent the knee out of fear will betray you later, she could've just taken them prisoner.
Please can you react to the 100, it's a great series, with a very good story and incredible characters. Please
If they are looking to pump up their subscriber #'s in the teenage girl demographic, that's the show to accomplish it.
If N&S haven't already seen it and they get enough people recommending The 100 they might add it to a poll to get us to vote on it when the next Premiere show (Breaking Bad) and Weekend show (Black Mirror) reactions end. But Patreon's get to vote first then we get the top 4 shows with the most votes to vote on. Would be soooo surprised if Vikings, The Handmaid's Tale or Peaky Blinders aren't the next shows that will be reacted to after BB and BM. So don't be surprised if you are waiting a really long time to see a reaction to The 100.
I recommend it as well!!
@@fuzzy__dunlop in my opinion it is not just a series for teenagers, it is a good show for anyone who likes post apocalyptic, besides having a very good story and interesting characters.
Sorry for my bad English.
A C - I understand, and respect your opinion and the fact people like it. I was just having a little fun. I tried to give it a watch, got to season 2, but stopped there. Just my opinion, but I don't think Steven would like it. By the way, your English is great.
‘’will your men want to fight for you when they hear you wouldnt fight for them?’’ - Jon Snow. A leader can’t always sit back and do nothing.
"Drogon needs to eat " no food in ashes.
At this point, Jon cannot bend the knee to Daenerys because once he does that, she can simply order him and his army to march south and fight against Cersei and there will be nothing Jon can do once he gives up his kingship. Thats the worst thing that can happen. Its important to understand that Daenerys doesn't take the threat of White Walkers very seriously yet.
What 'fight against cersei'? Her army got utterly destroyed. Why would the north need to march thousands of miles south. But this is the episode where GOT started crashing down into all sorts of nonsense. The only logical option after last episode, would have been to take King's Landing and kill Cersei. There was nothing preventing them from doing so. Who's gonna stop her amy, the city watch? Instead we get this utterly stupid and pointless plan to go beyond the wall to capture a wight....
The Magnificent Stupid Seven
hey they should at least have had horses, right
Damn I can't wait to see how you guys react to the finale!
Soldiers:I will not bow
Drogon: bow ya shittttts