You are looking healthy and happy, though I could of course not know such things I'd still say that your ancestors are smiling upon you for bringing their beliefs and cultures into the light. Thank you so much for sharing their existence!
Arith "I am not mad. Well, not extensively." Your archaeological knowledge combined with esoteric, occult honor and seemingly unlimited awareness are infinitely fascinating. These are the subject's and perspectives I have explored in myself in research. Drawn instinctively to many of the same subjects you illuminate. Yet you always bring new facts, alternatives and precious insights to the table. I am resonating with this series beyond my own ancestry. Life is the classroom and I appreciate attending yours. Thank you Arith. Always a pleasure.
What a magnificent, adoring setting, so beautiful and peaceful, brings us back to the enchanted and wild forest as nature should be! Thank you for sharing such delicate and, at the same time, so profound topics.
I absolutely loved this video 🙌🏻 I’m an archaeologist (not practicing at the time being), unfortunately at the college where I took my degree they valued mostly the Roman heritage of the city, but I’ve always been fascinated by the pre and proto-history periods. Today, I am a modern Priestess of the Goddess and I’m learning more on this path that I ever did at my degree course in college. Thank you for being such an open minded archaeologist and sharing these amazing views and interpretations. 🙏🏻 Also, I particularly resonate with the interpretation of the “idol” being the representation of the female body, it makes absolute sense to me. 😊
Hello there fellow archaeologist! I'm very happy to know you have enjoyed this video. I understand you there, while taking my degree in History & Archaeology, and in Archaeology, the focus was much more on Late Iron Age/Classical Period and the Middle Ages. I did have a lot of classes on pre-History, but it wasn't enough as it is a very extensive period and it's still, somehow, understood to be "primitive", so the focus is always on civilizations and time-periods that give that sense of "prestige" concerning the history of a country :| My favourite period is actually the Mesolithic, which, sadly, I only got the chance to be in one such context once, in southern Portugal, but it was awesome hehe. Yeah, the image of this goddess seems to follow the same Palaeolithic fertility art, and I think that's pretty normal having the same type of religious art towards feminine aspects of nature for almost 7000-8000 years. In terms of belief systems and material culture associated to them, things only really started to have a greater change by the late Chalcolithic - Bronze Age, with the introduction of patriarchal systems of governance. In my honest opinion, both as an archaeologist but also personal opinion, the best period of human history, in terms of human-nature relationships, was the Mesolithic :p Thank you for your feedback. Best wishes!
I know this video is a year and a half old but I was wondering if anyone knew where to get these beautiful replicas! They're awesome. Thank you, Arith for your amazing content!
What an amazing video! Very much needed information, which for some reason is often not emphasized or even mentioned! The Iberian Pennisula is clearly an " origin center" for so much of European history and evolution. I can't thank you enough for your efforts in this area.
Indeed, sadly it's true. The Ibirian Peninsula has an history of human societies of a period of 1.400.000 years, and it's seldom refered to in neo-paganism at least, but in academia there's been a considerable development on Iberian Studies. There were many important European cultural developments in prehistory that originated in the Iberian Peninsula, which is why it is very interesting to see such influences in other cultures as far as Northern Scandinavia and Russia. Out ancestors moved a lot more and more frequently than what previously thought. Perhaps the problem is that we often think something to be impossible due to the lack of certain technologies back then, but nothing is impossible for the human being when we want to get to a place :)
@@ArithHärger Thank you for your response .Wow, 1.400.000 years! most people I talk to here in the U,S,A, have no clue, and think that I am talking non-sense, especially since I have mostly Iberian DNA! I love your work, although I have not tuned in for a few months due to the madnees" surrounding all the fake news and fake "racism" as well as sheer insanity thats being shoved down our throats! Once again, congratulations on ALL your videos which are "top=notch"! :)
Thank you for discussing the many interpretations of these artifacts. I especially enjoyed the idea that the "eyes" are possibly breasts. Make sense to this woman, since there are usually three ribs below the breasts in young women. I also considered the idea that perhaps the "eyes" are eyes and the rings below them are wrinkles in an elders face. This is fun!
I have to say I love that you include yourself in talking about the bias in acidemia... Being able to not set yourself above others is something that is incredibly hard to do and it gives me hope that others will follow your lead ...
@@ArithHärger Sure seems to be depicting Cassiopeia, the Hag, in Aquarius, which is symbolized with the same zig zag lines that the sybmol of Aquarius ♒ derives, also associated with Athena, whose avatar is an Owl as depicted by Noctua, at the Tail of Hydra, which is directly opposite Aquarius on the Zodiac. Cassiopeia is also depicted as a Throne, such as the Hag's Chair at Loughcrew in Ireland, Hephaestus also makes a Throne to entrap Hera, aka Kythera, or Anat, or Matre Theon, the Great Mother of Anatolia, where bodies were left to Vultures at Gobekli Tepe, and the bodies interred under the home and the Heads placed above or below the door. Vultures being associated with Deneb, or Angelis, the Skull Smasher, who bore souls to the Silver Gate, a gap in the Milky River 🌌 between Osiris aka Orion and Pleiades aka Isis, their Scion El being the Head or Fruit of Isis and Ra. 5000 years ago Aquarius was the house of the Star sign Summer Solstice and the Sun sign of the Winter Solstice. Hydra is also Tphens, or Typhon, the hundred headed God, just as Hydra takes up 100 degrees or the Zodiac, much like the first version of the Bible was called the Vaticanus Graecus, or Son of thw Divine Serpent, which seems to refer to Fomalhaut and Hydra, Fomalhaut being shaped like an Eye, and rising on the day of the Pharoah, birthday of Osiris. Hephaestus is also known as Khasekhemwy, or Aegypticus, 1st or 2nd Pharoah of Egypt, also known as the Giant King or Og, much like the Scion of Dagda and Boann (Orion and Pleiades) was also known as Oanghus, or Og, similar to King Oeagrus of Thrace, whose son Orpheus, whose head also became a source of prophecy, bought writing to Greece. Oeagrus is associated with the Constellation of Grus, The constellations Grus, Pavo, Phoenix and Tucana are collectively known as the "Southern Birds". The constellation's brightest star, Alpha Gruis, is also known as Alnair and appears as a 1.7-magnitude blue-white star.
é um prazer ^^ e é bem verdade, muito do paganismo moderno fala pouco da Península Ibérica, no entanto tem uma história das sociedades humanas de um período de 1.400.000 anos. Por exemplo, o Norte da Europa é bem mais falado no paganismo moderno, mas focam-se somente numa história de 300 anos de um total de 11.000 anos de história Escandinava. Mas também é difícil de falar sobre o paganismo Ibérico não só precisamente por ser um período de tempo histórico muito largo, mas normalmente nos paganismos modernos focam-se num número de divindades muito reduzida de um só período, por isso se nos focarmos somente na Idade do Bronze e Idade do Ferro Ibérica, temos mais de 3000 divindades. Quando fica muito difícil, variado e complexo, as pessoas vão para o mais fácil hehe :P
This archeological findings are very interesting. We can interpret this godess figure on many levels, as most of neolithic objects are symbols. We can see this godess as an owl (big eyes and in some object triangular shape looking like beak), shapeshifting to women with prominent breast and vulva. Also we can see her thru her radient eyes and in case of this vase her small lips represent as triangle (as reminiscent of her owl form maybe). In case of findings of such object, as you say it could be as many interpretations as many scholars who study them.
Thank you for the fascinating open air lecture on my pagan ancestors and the artistic sensibilities of their time. Much enjoyed, new information is priceless.
Good documentary, very instructive, thank you very much, I love your research work, many of them I have shared with friends, co-workers and family, they love it, many have subscribed to the channel, some are archaeologists and 2 professors, the quality is recognized, wanted you to know this, congratulations Mr. Arith!
Really good "episode". My social skills and english is not at the best today, but i still want to get out how much i admire your wisdom and your will to teach us about religion and mytheologies, and i can't forget the archeologist part.😸 I didn' t know about this, and i started to think.. Anna and Anne is pretty common name here in Norway, still i have never heard about the goddess, which is pretty sad. I didnt know about Aurora until some days ago neither. I wish the schools would teach us more, so again.. thank you for all your videos and your enlightenment. also, is there any way to be an archeologist without proper education? It has been my dream since i was a kid... 21 years now infact 🧐 Time is going fast hehe
Hello there! You are most kind, thank you! There was a great goddess around these parts named Ana, which was still worshipped even during Romanization. A goddess of one of the most important rivers, the river named after her as it was common during the western European Bronze and Iron Ages, and apparently the name is in referene to "ducks", again, the bird-conception. When the Islamic Caliphate invaded the Iberian Peninsula, they sort of renamed the river after the goddess and called it "Uádi Ana" ("river of Ana"), which is nowadays called Guadiana, and it's nowadays a natural border between Portugal and Spain down the south. In terms of archaeology from the bottom of my heart I want to tell you to go ahead and follow your dreams, but I also want to be realistic to avoid romanticizing this, which can later on greatly demotivate you. Some countries accept amateur archaeology, like in the UK, for instance, where some amateur archaeologists do a great job and are part of groups that really work with the authorities and with professional scientists. Most countries do not accept this, so people really have to study and be professionals at it, or at the very least become archaeologist-assistants (but they also have to go to University for it). Archaeology stopped being an amateur activity since the 1950s because there was just too many rich European nobles doing whatever they wanted and it was mostly just tomb raiding. So these days un-professioanl archaeology isn't allowed in many countries. Although, I must tell you, after almost 10 years of being an archaeologists, I want to quit. I'm greatly disappointed, it's too much hard work and simply not enough to survive, which is why I currently have 3 jobs. Things around here are very hard for Culture in general, but I'm sure in other countries it's way better and you can really make a living out of professional archaeology. You are 21, you are young, it's never too late to go to university if you have the means for it. I became an archaeologist at 25 after my parents and I saved enough money to enter public University. See how archaeology works where you are and follow your dream. I wish you the best of luck, truly. Stay well!
@@ArithHärger Hello again, thank you very much for your time to reply and the informasion 😸 That is pretty cool, i would love to travel there at some point and feel the energies. I told my mom and showed this episode to her, Anne is her name and she adores both owls and ducks. Is the basque people connected somehow? I find the basque people pretty interesting.. though they are between Spain and France if i remember correctly. I'm sorry, my english and communication was even worse than normal so i got myself a little bit misunderstood..I'm closer to 30 >.> It has been my dream for since i was 7 years, after my father planted a medallion which looked so old in a place he knew i dug in the dirt alot, and i got even more enthusiastic about archeology. Thank you for you honesty, i really appreciate it^^ i have a tendency to romantize archeology to some point, but more realisticly it probably be a lowpaid job at a museum. And because of stuff i'm not going to tell here in a comment section, i have not being able to get back to school yet, and it is not easy here in Norway neither. And amateur archeology is not allowed here, but i totally understand that now why and i am pretty glad it's so with all the old viking mounds and alot of other historical things going on xD I'm sad you want to quit and that you need 3 jobs to get things around, friend. And what lovely parents who helped you i must say 😊 it's truly a blessing, hehe. Thank you, i wish you the best of luck aswell. Sending good energies your way, and i hope things will be better for you soon. Stay well and healthy, João😸
Nice one Arith. A couple of thoughts came to mind here, the hourglass shape of those artefacts suggest the female form, what if they were not placed on the body but were integral to clothing? The holes could be like buttonholes and the plates attached to a shirt or jacket by twine/cord. They could be like badges of office, or for that matter, just decoration, art for arts sake. Ponto Do Sol Madeira? I have been there.
That's an interesting idea my friend. So far (including the contexts I've worked at) the shale slabs are found accompanying the dead, sometimes placed on their chest or nearby. Much of the cylindrical ones (of the goddess) seem to have been offerings to the earth, purposely made to be buried as offerings. But the shale slabs seem to be indeed real individuals and sort of their ID card ( or in the case of Britain since Brexit, sort of passports :p )
What a fabulous video, topic and beautiful woodland setting. I thoroughly enjoyed that. The figures are so delightful and I love the different ideas of what they could represent. Thanks Arith for such a magical look into the prehistoric Iberian cult. :)
Obrigado. Por vezes tenho impressão que a unica referencia aos antigos cultos religiosos dos povos ibericos são duas canções dos Moonspell (Ataegina e Trebaruna). Fala-se muito de Stonehenge, mas quase nada do Woodhenge em Évora/Portugal que precede a construção do anterior. Ps: só agora vi que também fez um video dedicado a Ataegina.
totally loved this video ! many thanks for doing it ! I think you were close when you talked about the ba of the egyptians as all ancient belief systems seem to tie up in the distant past . I see most of the figures as representing a bird goddess of some sort put in the grave as a protection and or a means of passing to the next world . i also see the triangle motive as the beak of the bird not genitalia , that is why there is no mouth ... whatever they represent they are very beautiful and artistic !
Hello my dear friend! Glad to see you here and to have your feedback! I'm happy to know you enjoyed this one. A little bit different from the usual, but I think it's important that people are aware of their past and other cultural developments of ancient Europe. It is a possibility this link with birds, indeed. It's a widespread religious concept the connection between the ancestors (or their spirits) with birds. The very basis of Ornithomancy in Classical cultures comes from this belief that the ancestors become birds and so they often communicate their secrets through flight, cries and song, and aside from Southern Mediterranean Europe and Iberian and Atlantic Europe, this conception can also be found in Scandinavian late Iron Age art, which is pretty cool! :D (and, of course, Egyptian). It's a pity we, nowadays, don't have this custom of making art for the ancestors and for the living and exchange such gifts with one another. Today it is a bit dull . . . simply a headstone and that's it lol.
Second review as this Solar Goddess, the disc, reminds of a ~ Bronze Age Egtved Girl Found Buried in Denmark Was From Someplace Else A new analysis of her hair and teeth suggests she may have spent her early life in southern Germany. Interesting research you illuminate many cultures participation in solar worship. Also, love your take on (idols). So true. Thank you Arith revisiting my ancestors. I love all your series and this ancestral resonance. An altruistic, anamistic Goddess since birth, I LOVE to understand my ancestors with greater clarity. Thank you.
You rascal. How can you slap this "eyes v breasts" debate onto the end of the video? This is the kind of unique information I love you for! You alone, in my experience anyway, bring up cross references and discussions with academics. These little insights change the entire picture! Sharing your innocent conversations with sanskrit scholars spurred so much research and personal growth in my own life! Please continue allowing us this window into true academic thought.
Very good video!! I once had someone kept calling some stuff I have Idols and I had to correct them 😁 I love learning about these different deities keep up the good work my friend.
So, perhaps I am a bit odd, but when I saw these two idols, my first thoughts were BOTH of breasts and the eyes of owls. Maybe I thought of breasts because I have seen other neolithic feminine 'idols' or figurines and so I jumped straight to that interpretation. But also, they really do look like owls. EDIT: The white cylinder looks more like breasts to me, while the black plate looks a bit more owl-like. But both could be breasts or owls.
Ok I showed these to a friend, a woman (from Bangladesh actually, so a different cultural background), and she said, I quote, 'titties don't look like that.' Just to give another perspective!
Thank you for all of your work and sharing with us! As you were talking about the female form and mentioned the line my first thought was not a spine but perhaps linea alba.
This is cool. I love the little figures. There's a bunch of that Shale stuff at my place, and I've even collected some to use for something at some point. You keep saying something that sounds like Chocolithic, and it makes me think... hm 🤔 the time of chocolate??? Lol... and now I want chocolate, and ironically the shale peices look like dark chocolate lol 🍫🍫
Ooh just started watching and gonna watch the rest by little throughout the day, but I’m already feeling a connection between this and my hypothesis about Hel and Baldur in Norse myth, given that Baldur was a golden / light / joy deity and in Baldr’s dream, a hall of gold was laid out in anticipation of Baldr’s arrival, in Helheim.
Lol after the first few minutes when seeing these i thought they were owl people, but then the sun but here the wavy lines didnt have much context other than water. When I saw some more i could see the bodies some with arms and hands coming together and then others i could dircetly see the breasts especially the one with the triangle representive of pubic hair. It goes to show the layers of thought put into these by the artist or craftsmen, or myself. They were representatives of an individual much like a grave stone but had a purpose of sending the spirit back to the Mother, the Mother from which all things come into being, come into this life. "From the earth we come and to the earth we shall return."
Definitely Owls, IMO. If you haven't read or listened to The Messengers books by Mike Clelland yet, well... I highly recommended you do, Arith/João. 🦉🌞
the same progression or diversity is present in uralic findings i think.. there´s those that believe that one of the souls goes upwards towards the sun / stars (often with the birds, possibly connected to everyone having their own star) and then comes back with the rays of the sun (while the other soul, "shadow soul", goes to the moon). then there´s those that believe that the land of the dead situates below ground or lake, or in a mountain (close to where you live, with the spirits of the ancestors being all around you, the sami people being the best example of this). then there´s those that believe that the land of the dead situates in the far north / at the mouth of the biggest river (with souls travelling through water in this case, maybe as fishes). then there´s those that believe that the land of the death situates in the far south instead, where all the migratory birds fly, or where the bear spirit lives or the old man and the old woman (the destination of many shamanic travels). then there´s those that believe that the soul / one of the souls turns into a living animal (of the family´s totem, for example all bears being your ancestors). that´s already five completely different belief systems.. and people wonder why it´s so hard to pinpoint the "real one".. maybe because it never existed.. it was always "many", one cult replacing another, or co-existing simultaneously, which is the beauty of it (it definately goes over my head which i love). as a side note owls are connected to death here too.. death, forest, wind, winter, snow, echo, totems, clans, witch´s helper spirits (especially when travelling downwards). they are usually considered as "good spirits" who hunt the "bad spirits" at night time.. also they are believed to bring messages from dead relatives and wooden images of owls are taken to graves (nenets people especially).
Such a great series! They recently found a grave w thousands of these figures. To me they look like Watchers, the dead. No feet. No mouth. Just an energetic field w eyes. Where might I purchase one?
Can you talk about the culture of the Lucefécit River in Portugal? That would be awesome. It supposed a cult dedicated to the Endovelic God. The Romans even adopted this deity and built a temple. But now only ruins are left. There was an altar there supposedly for human and animal sacrifices.
Hello there. I've done a video about Endovélico's Sanctuary. I've spoken a little about both the god and the temple itself, here: ua-cam.com/video/MaBvZ0y-HRg/v-deo.html
It also seems like the eyes could be breasts, the lines under them rib bones and the triangle be the pubic area? It would still be in line with the goddess theory
Might rising sea waters isolating territories have triggered the shift from planting along a migratory route to planting in a set site? Likewise, shifting from herding animals to domestication them?
Assuming our ancestors were complex thinkers then perhaps the 'idols' had complex meanings. Many look like 'owls' suggesting they are representations of the souls in flight after death. Is it possible to converge the theories instead of having the markings in the 'idols' as meaning either eyes or breasts? Can't they be interpreted as being simultaneously defined as eyes and breasts thus giving a perspective of the 'idol' as being complete representation of the solar Goddess of death and rebirth from our ancestors' unique perspective?
I like this. Extra credit for using critical thinking. Too much archeology seems to say it means this or this, period. But, as you said, it could be both.
I think it's fully possible. The human mind is able to see different meanings in the same representation. Depending telling, use or situation the meaning of this or that part could be different. We still do the same today with modern symbols.
Great video and subject again, thank you ! Tried let you a comment on Patreon, but Patreon don't like me it seems. ;) Like said, we're all obsessed with observing eyes, who didn't dream about eyes as child ? But those figurines looked still as female bodies to me, i must admit. I'm a women, yes, so this may be that. Depending situation, telling, use, all two could be possible, and used. Ribs could also be arms, hands. Lot of speculations and tergivations possible of course. Love the subject, again tks !
Oh yes, Patreon sometimes doesn't cooperate, which is rather frustrating especially when I answer questions with a long text and there's some error and it's never sent, losing the entire text -.- well, we are never truly alone and there's always something watching hehe. Thank you dear friend.
Interesting, I also wondered if they depicted a feminine body. It was the lines below the “eyes”, they looked like ribs to me. The bone phalanges at first I thought were going to be presented as body representations, as many bottom parts of the bones looked like the starting upper part of thighs or legs. The linings above the “eyes” or “breasts” may not be “eyebrows” or expressive markers but collar bone or shoulder. These, placed on the torso or mid-section of the deceased would still mimic or serve as representations of the body of the Dead, or their core. Thank you for the video!
Sure seems to be depicting Cassiopeia, the Hag, in Aquarius, which is symbolized with the same zig zag lines that the sybmol of Aquarius ♒ derives, also associated with Athena, whose avatar is an Owl as depicted by Noctua, at the Tail of Hydra, which is directly opposite Aquarius on the Zodiac. Cassiopeia is also depicted as a Throne, such as the Hag's Chair at Loughcrew in Ireland, Hephaestus also makes a Throne to entrap Hera, aka Kythera, or Anat, or Matre Theon, the Great Mother of Anatolia, where bodies were left to Vultures at Gobekli Tepe, and the bodies interred under the home and the Heads placed above or below the door. Vultures being associated with Deneb, or Angelis, the Skull Smasher, who bore souls to the Silver Gate, a gap in the Milky River 🌌 between Osiris aka Orion and Pleiades aka Isis, their Scion El being the Head or Fruit of Isis and Ra. 5000 years ago Aquarius was the house of the Star sign Summer Solstice and the Sun sign of the Winter Solstice. Hydra is also Tphens, or Typhon, the hundred headed God, just as Hydra takes up 100 degrees or the Zodiac, much like the first version of the Bible was called the Vaticanus Graecus, or Son of thw Divine Serpent, which seems to refer to Fomalhaut and Hydra, Fomalhaut being shaped like an Eye, and rising on the day of the Pharoah, birthday of Osiris. Hephaestus is also known as Khasekhemwy, or Aegypticus, 1st or 2nd Pharoah of Egypt, also known as the Giant King or Og, much like the Scion of Dagda and Boann (Orion and Pleiades) was also known as Oanghus, or Og, similar to King Oeagrus of Thrace, whose son Orpheus, whose head also became a source of prophecy, bought writing to Greece. Oeagrus is associated with the Constellation of Grus, The constellations Grus, Pavo, Phoenix and Tucana are collectively known as the "Southern Birds". The constellation's brightest star, Alpha Gruis, is also known as Alnair and appears as a 1.7-magnitude blue-white star.
Were the pots/vases ever tested on the inside for blood traces? Perhaps they were used for menstruation considering they were ornamented with feminine art?
Hi, Arith I´m glad you're doing well . I think this figurines are more likely to represent " Divine eyes" of the God\Goddess than of breasts. In fact at the archeological museum in Madrid we can see some of those witch I presume are not solar deities nor solar cults whatsoever . Interesting video ! thank you .
Na notável pesquisa de Marija Gimbutas (ver The Language of the Goddess), os olhos da Deusa são um atributo de enorme importância, justificando o seu epíteto de "Aquela que tudo vê".
I enjoyed the beautiful serenity of this location! This has been my 3rd viewing. In the morning, since I did fall asleep twice late at night. The slates do look like neckware. Idols are a terrible choice of words for small items, which could be called talismans. Christans called them "Relics". Christians use plenty of idolatry. My parents have a picture of white Jesus hanging over their bed. I cannot think of a less sexy decoration for a bedroom. Maybe flying pigs. Also, wearing the cross, with or without a dead man on it is not very flattering, when you think about it. It just screams, " I am so pious! I'm in the Club!". I don't really see owls with whiskers, unless they had them in antiquity, although I can understand others seeing them. Perhaps owls were admired for their unique ability to turn their heads completely backwards, in addition to their keen sight. The female figure is greatly reduced, to my view. The cylinders are curious,, and I did wonder about facial scarring. I don't see ribs either, unless they were starving. Very mysterious indeed! Maybe my imagination is on vacation. Many people report having "flying" dreams. There's no reason our ancestors didn't share this. The likelihood of them having them as a life-long ability is higher than today, imo, so birds in a grave makes perfect sense. When I was young, dead animals and people terrified me, until I understood, that what truly terrified me, was the lack of life force. I didn't know I could see that until later. Then, I got over that terror, and could work with ritually preparing dead bodies. It's also reasonable that there were people who had Near Death Experiences, or NDE's. This experience is identical to full Kundalini rising in nearly every way. Such a person could tell others what they saw and felt, which would encourage expectations of the Afterlife. Light shiny eyes sound plausable for sleep flight and NDEs. Youth can easily be trained out of mystery. It's much harder to train people into accepting co-existence with a touchable, yet mostly invisible world. Thanks Arith! Take care of yourself always. 🎶💗😸 P.S. I did not see breasts either.
I would like to ask you to do some thing that goes against your grain... Please, make a short video promoting your patreon. What are the conversations? How often are there valuable discussions between members? And, compared to that, how much interaction is welcoming, simple friendship? These are two different communities and I cannot tell if I should expect academic types, or people more looking for a sense of community? You make so many videos! It becomes easy to ask myself, what more? What does he do on patreon that is so different? I would like to contribute, but we are all cheap these days, and I think we need to be reminded what your patreon offers in order to gain new members. I am very fond of you and your work. After all this time, all these deep conversations, you feel like a friend. Yet I'm asking still, take a moment to convince Penny pinching fence sitters like me to take action
Hello there Miles Williams, I hope I find you in good health. Well, as much as I would like you to also have on board at the Patreon community, I must say that this year I haven't been very active at neither UA-cam nor Patreon. This year has been hard on all of us so I'm not going to ask you to join in. That's your own decision and at this point it's basically just to help me out. Of course, many people send me messages constantly and I try to keep up with it and answer and help out as much as I can if it is under my knwoledge to help, and patreon at this point is almost like a call centre but I'm the only one answering everything lol. However, I perfectly understand the necessity to save money. Like I said, it has been a hard year for all of us, especially since the pandemic. The reason I haven't been as active as before is because I'm currently trying to keep up with 3 jobs, so it's hard to continue UA-cam and all of this in the online world. Save your money, as it seems hard times are at hand (hope not). Only join if you want to help me a little. But you should know that I am considering quitting all of this because I can't just keep up with 3 jobs and do all these videos. At least greatly reduce the videos or something. I'm not sure how 2022 will be, so let's see how things go. Thank you for your feedback and for your good intentions. Stay well friend.
@@ArithHärger thank you for the reply. I have been wondering for a while what your patron community looks like. Your videos are still great! I've actually been enjoying your series on animist very much. I've done the three job jig myself. Very tiresome. Good luck friend!
Asherah poles? That was my first impression. Such artifacts seem like, on the one hand, to have been popular art, but on the other akin to tomb markers. I always find it curious that things placed in burial sites are moved or removed when they were placed there to be a marker of permanence and remembrance all in the name of $cience rediscovery. Now that which it was protecting is no longer protected. We gon be digging around and take the locks off something we shouldn't eventually, and disturb something that will lead to our demise and/our downfall... because we were curious about what had happened. Leave the dead buried.
Love your work. Why does science insist that honoring loved ones that are dead equates to worship? Is it really any different from today's practices? The crosses and statues in churches around the world meet the definition of idols. She is the Celtic Goddess Brigid/Brigette/Bridie. The dates of these idols suggests that she was known by Africans much earlier than is believed.
Could the breasts represent the sun and moon? And that's why they appear "radiant"? And could the tops be flat because they did place something on the figure to represent her head? Something that could be interchanged or that was impermanent which would need replacing to represent cycles of nature? An ever-changing face of a Goddess linked to seasons which have different faces? And the vertical line could simply be the soft line the body makes from the sternum, down between the abdominal muscles, to the pubis. Were these figures ever found with other artifacts nearby or were they by themselves?
The "eyes" could just be nipples, since both men and women have them. And the tip of the "nose" maybe could be either a vulva or a penis. The Deity being some form of Death and Life deity, it would make sense for its to be a skeleton or skeletal because of the "ribs". Fantástico video, como sempre! Mais? Sff...
You are looking healthy and happy, though I could of course not know such things I'd still say that your ancestors are smiling upon you for bringing their beliefs and cultures into the light. Thank you so much for sharing their existence!
Yay more pre christian Iberian content, appreciate you so much gracias ✨✨✨💜
My pleasure! And thank you! Muito Obrigado / Muchas Gracias :D
I'm from Seville and I love your Iberian videos. Amazing stuff.
Please send oranges?
Thank you! I'm happy to know you enjoy it! Muchas Gracias :D
Arith "I am not mad.
Well, not extensively."
Your
archaeological knowledge combined with esoteric, occult honor and seemingly unlimited awareness are infinitely fascinating.
These are the subject's and perspectives I have explored in myself in research.
Drawn instinctively to many of the same subjects you illuminate.
Yet you always bring new facts, alternatives and precious insights to the table.
I am resonating with this series beyond my own ancestry.
Life is the classroom and I appreciate attending yours.
Thank you Arith.
Always a pleasure.
What a magnificent, adoring setting, so beautiful and peaceful, brings us back to the enchanted and wild forest as nature should be! Thank you for sharing such delicate and, at the same time, so profound topics.
I often wonder if those places are parks in Lisbon and are local to him.
@@colinp2238 was recorded in Sintra :p
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed this and the scenery as well ^^
@@ArithHärger Good beer 🍺
I absolutely loved this video 🙌🏻 I’m an archaeologist (not practicing at the time being), unfortunately at the college where I took my degree they valued mostly the Roman heritage of the city, but I’ve always been fascinated by the pre and proto-history periods. Today, I am a modern Priestess of the Goddess and I’m learning more on this path that I ever did at my degree course in college. Thank you for being such an open minded archaeologist and sharing these amazing views and interpretations. 🙏🏻 Also, I particularly resonate with the interpretation of the “idol” being the representation of the female body, it makes absolute sense to me. 😊
Hello there fellow archaeologist! I'm very happy to know you have enjoyed this video. I understand you there, while taking my degree in History & Archaeology, and in Archaeology, the focus was much more on Late Iron Age/Classical Period and the Middle Ages. I did have a lot of classes on pre-History, but it wasn't enough as it is a very extensive period and it's still, somehow, understood to be "primitive", so the focus is always on civilizations and time-periods that give that sense of "prestige" concerning the history of a country :| My favourite period is actually the Mesolithic, which, sadly, I only got the chance to be in one such context once, in southern Portugal, but it was awesome hehe. Yeah, the image of this goddess seems to follow the same Palaeolithic fertility art, and I think that's pretty normal having the same type of religious art towards feminine aspects of nature for almost 7000-8000 years. In terms of belief systems and material culture associated to them, things only really started to have a greater change by the late Chalcolithic - Bronze Age, with the introduction of patriarchal systems of governance. In my honest opinion, both as an archaeologist but also personal opinion, the best period of human history, in terms of human-nature relationships, was the Mesolithic :p Thank you for your feedback. Best wishes!
Awesome. I love seeing these artefacts (even if they are replicas). Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for speaking about a field that is sadly overlooked. "The Iberians" by Antonio Arribas is a great reference book on this topic.
I know this video is a year and a half old but I was wondering if anyone knew where to get these beautiful replicas! They're awesome. Thank you, Arith for your amazing content!
Probably the first time in human history men confused breasts for eyes. Great video, as always.
What an amazing video! Very much needed information, which for some reason is often not emphasized or even mentioned! The Iberian Pennisula is clearly an " origin center" for so much of European history and evolution. I can't thank you enough for your efforts in this area.
Indeed, sadly it's true. The Ibirian Peninsula has an history of human societies of a period of 1.400.000 years, and it's seldom refered to in neo-paganism at least, but in academia there's been a considerable development on Iberian Studies. There were many important European cultural developments in prehistory that originated in the Iberian Peninsula, which is why it is very interesting to see such influences in other cultures as far as Northern Scandinavia and Russia. Out ancestors moved a lot more and more frequently than what previously thought. Perhaps the problem is that we often think something to be impossible due to the lack of certain technologies back then, but nothing is impossible for the human being when we want to get to a place :)
@@ArithHärger Thank you for your response .Wow, 1.400.000 years! most people I talk to here in the U,S,A, have no clue, and think that I am talking non-sense, especially since I have mostly Iberian DNA! I love your work, although I have not tuned in for a few months due to the madnees" surrounding all the fake news and fake "racism" as well as sheer insanity thats being shoved down our throats! Once again, congratulations on ALL your videos which are "top=notch"! :)
Thank you for discussing the many interpretations of these artifacts. I especially enjoyed the idea that the "eyes" are possibly breasts. Make sense to this woman, since there are usually three ribs below the breasts in young women. I also considered the idea that perhaps the "eyes" are eyes and the rings below them are wrinkles in an elders face. This is fun!
Fabulous sharing to my Tribe xxx
I have to say I love that you include yourself in talking about the bias in acidemia... Being able to not set yourself above others is something that is incredibly hard to do and it gives me hope that others will follow your lead ...
Is there a link with owls ? It looks like a owl to me... thank you for your amazing content about our roots.
Je suis d'accord avec vous . Cela ressemble à des chouettes. 😉
He approaches the owl concept around 25 mins
Yes, at minute 25:00 I speak of it "Owl Spirits" as a possible interpretation ^^
@@ArithHärger
Sure seems to be depicting Cassiopeia, the Hag, in Aquarius, which is symbolized with the same zig zag lines that the sybmol of Aquarius ♒ derives, also associated with Athena, whose avatar is an Owl as depicted by Noctua, at the Tail of Hydra, which is directly opposite Aquarius on the Zodiac.
Cassiopeia is also depicted as a Throne, such as the Hag's Chair at Loughcrew in Ireland, Hephaestus also makes a Throne to entrap Hera, aka Kythera, or Anat, or Matre Theon, the Great Mother of Anatolia, where bodies were left to Vultures at Gobekli Tepe, and the bodies interred under the home and the Heads placed above or below the door.
Vultures being associated with Deneb, or Angelis, the Skull Smasher, who bore souls to the Silver Gate, a gap in the Milky River 🌌 between Osiris aka Orion and Pleiades aka Isis, their Scion El being the Head or Fruit of Isis and Ra.
5000 years ago Aquarius was the house of the Star sign Summer Solstice and the Sun sign of the Winter Solstice. Hydra is also Tphens, or Typhon, the hundred headed God, just as Hydra takes up 100 degrees or the Zodiac, much like the first version of the Bible was called the Vaticanus Graecus, or Son of thw Divine Serpent, which seems to refer to Fomalhaut and Hydra, Fomalhaut being shaped like an Eye, and rising on the day of the Pharoah, birthday of Osiris. Hephaestus is also known as Khasekhemwy, or Aegypticus, 1st or 2nd Pharoah of Egypt, also known as the Giant King or Og, much like the Scion of Dagda and Boann (Orion and Pleiades) was also known as Oanghus, or Og, similar to King Oeagrus of Thrace, whose son Orpheus, whose head also became a source of prophecy, bought writing to Greece.
Oeagrus is associated with the Constellation of Grus, The constellations Grus, Pavo, Phoenix and Tucana are collectively known as the "Southern Birds". The constellation's brightest star, Alpha Gruis, is also known as Alnair and appears as a 1.7-magnitude blue-white star.
Arith, you've been really on your game! Glad to have information on Pagan worship of my Iberian ancestors, especially in Galicia and Minho.
Sempre bom ver você falando da península ibérica para variar, amigo. Tem muito mais conteúdo de paganismo nordico por ai, mas quase nada da iberia
He is Portuguese.
é um prazer ^^ e é bem verdade, muito do paganismo moderno fala pouco da Península Ibérica, no entanto tem uma história das sociedades humanas de um período de 1.400.000 anos. Por exemplo, o Norte da Europa é bem mais falado no paganismo moderno, mas focam-se somente numa história de 300 anos de um total de 11.000 anos de história Escandinava. Mas também é difícil de falar sobre o paganismo Ibérico não só precisamente por ser um período de tempo histórico muito largo, mas normalmente nos paganismos modernos focam-se num número de divindades muito reduzida de um só período, por isso se nos focarmos somente na Idade do Bronze e Idade do Ferro Ibérica, temos mais de 3000 divindades. Quando fica muito difícil, variado e complexo, as pessoas vão para o mais fácil hehe :P
@@ArithHärger exatamente....👍🏻
True. Much appreciated!🙏
This archeological findings are very interesting. We can interpret this godess figure on many levels, as most of neolithic objects are symbols. We can see this godess as an owl (big eyes and in some object triangular shape looking like beak), shapeshifting to women with prominent breast and vulva. Also we can see her thru her radient eyes and in case of this vase her small lips represent as triangle (as reminiscent of her owl form maybe). In case of findings of such object, as you say it could be as many interpretations as many scholars who study them.
Great video Arith! Fabulous work!
Thank you for the fascinating open air lecture on my pagan ancestors and the artistic sensibilities of their time. Much enjoyed, new information is priceless.
Como sempre, só pelo tema e conteúdo já agradeço e o parabenizo! Vou ver🙏🙏🙏👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Good documentary, very instructive, thank you very much, I love your research work, many of them I have shared with friends, co-workers and family, they love it, many have subscribed to the channel, some are archaeologists and 2 professors, the quality is recognized, wanted you to know this, congratulations Mr. Arith!
Really good "episode". My social skills and english is not at the best today, but i still want to get out how much i admire your wisdom and your will to teach us about religion and mytheologies, and i can't forget the archeologist part.😸 I didn' t know about this, and i started to think.. Anna and Anne is pretty common name here in Norway, still i have never heard about the goddess, which is pretty sad. I didnt know about Aurora until some days ago neither. I wish the schools would teach us more, so again.. thank you for all your videos and your enlightenment. also, is there any way to be an archeologist without proper education? It has been my dream since i was a kid... 21 years now infact 🧐 Time is going fast hehe
Hello there! You are most kind, thank you! There was a great goddess around these parts named Ana, which was still worshipped even during Romanization. A goddess of one of the most important rivers, the river named after her as it was common during the western European Bronze and Iron Ages, and apparently the name is in referene to "ducks", again, the bird-conception. When the Islamic Caliphate invaded the Iberian Peninsula, they sort of renamed the river after the goddess and called it "Uádi Ana" ("river of Ana"), which is nowadays called Guadiana, and it's nowadays a natural border between Portugal and Spain down the south.
In terms of archaeology from the bottom of my heart I want to tell you to go ahead and follow your dreams, but I also want to be realistic to avoid romanticizing this, which can later on greatly demotivate you. Some countries accept amateur archaeology, like in the UK, for instance, where some amateur archaeologists do a great job and are part of groups that really work with the authorities and with professional scientists. Most countries do not accept this, so people really have to study and be professionals at it, or at the very least become archaeologist-assistants (but they also have to go to University for it). Archaeology stopped being an amateur activity since the 1950s because there was just too many rich European nobles doing whatever they wanted and it was mostly just tomb raiding. So these days un-professioanl archaeology isn't allowed in many countries. Although, I must tell you, after almost 10 years of being an archaeologists, I want to quit. I'm greatly disappointed, it's too much hard work and simply not enough to survive, which is why I currently have 3 jobs. Things around here are very hard for Culture in general, but I'm sure in other countries it's way better and you can really make a living out of professional archaeology. You are 21, you are young, it's never too late to go to university if you have the means for it. I became an archaeologist at 25 after my parents and I saved enough money to enter public University. See how archaeology works where you are and follow your dream. I wish you the best of luck, truly. Stay well!
@@ArithHärger Hello again, thank you very much for your time to reply and the informasion 😸 That is pretty cool, i would love to travel there at some point and feel the energies. I told my mom and showed this episode to her, Anne is her name and she adores both owls and ducks. Is the basque people connected somehow? I find the basque people pretty interesting.. though they are between Spain and France if i remember correctly.
I'm sorry, my english and communication was even worse than normal so i got myself a little bit misunderstood..I'm closer to 30 >.> It has been my dream for since i was 7 years, after my father planted a medallion which looked so old in a place he knew i dug in the dirt alot, and i got even more enthusiastic about archeology. Thank you for you honesty, i really appreciate it^^ i have a tendency to romantize archeology to some point, but more realisticly it probably be a lowpaid job at a museum. And because of stuff i'm not going to tell here in a comment section, i have not being able to get back to school yet, and it is not easy here in Norway neither. And amateur archeology is not allowed here, but i totally understand that now why and i am pretty glad it's so with all the old viking mounds and alot of other historical things going on xD I'm sad you want to quit and that you need 3 jobs to get things around, friend. And what lovely parents who helped you i must say 😊 it's truly a blessing, hehe. Thank you, i wish you the best of luck aswell. Sending good energies your way, and i hope things will be better for you soon. Stay well and healthy, João😸
The more I watch your videos the more I want to see them, excellent video, it's innovative, it's magic, wonderful!
As always a very thorough and well presented 🎁
Thank you for talking about this topic and solar worship Arith Härger X 🕯🌞🕯😊👍🏻
Oh! So interesting! Love that you got the replicas for this one! Thank you for another great video!
Awesome info 👍, that art work is a window to our past .
I love your videos. So informative and excellent to listen to while I landscape. Thank you for the time you take to share what you know.
Nice one Arith. A couple of thoughts came to mind here, the hourglass shape of those artefacts suggest the female form, what if they were not placed on the body but were integral to clothing? The holes could be like buttonholes and the plates attached to a shirt or jacket by twine/cord. They could be like badges of office, or for that matter, just decoration, art for arts sake.
Ponto Do Sol Madeira? I have been there.
That's an interesting idea my friend. So far (including the contexts I've worked at) the shale slabs are found accompanying the dead, sometimes placed on their chest or nearby. Much of the cylindrical ones (of the goddess) seem to have been offerings to the earth, purposely made to be buried as offerings. But the shale slabs seem to be indeed real individuals and sort of their ID card ( or in the case of Britain since Brexit, sort of passports :p )
@@ArithHärger There could always be a Porcit.
What a fabulous video, topic and beautiful woodland setting. I thoroughly enjoyed that. The figures are so delightful and I love the different ideas of what they could represent. Thanks Arith for such a magical look into the prehistoric Iberian cult. :)
Obrigado. Por vezes tenho impressão que a unica referencia aos antigos cultos religiosos dos povos ibericos são duas canções dos Moonspell (Ataegina e Trebaruna). Fala-se muito de Stonehenge, mas quase nada do Woodhenge em Évora/Portugal que precede a construção do anterior. Ps: só agora vi que também fez um video dedicado a Ataegina.
totally loved this video ! many thanks for doing it ! I think you were close when you talked about the ba of the egyptians as all ancient belief systems seem to tie up in the distant past . I see most of the figures as representing a bird goddess of some sort put in the grave as a protection and or a means of passing to the next world . i also see the triangle motive as the beak of the bird not genitalia , that is why there is no mouth ... whatever they represent they are very beautiful and artistic !
Hello my dear friend! Glad to see you here and to have your feedback! I'm happy to know you enjoyed this one. A little bit different from the usual, but I think it's important that people are aware of their past and other cultural developments of ancient Europe. It is a possibility this link with birds, indeed. It's a widespread religious concept the connection between the ancestors (or their spirits) with birds. The very basis of Ornithomancy in Classical cultures comes from this belief that the ancestors become birds and so they often communicate their secrets through flight, cries and song, and aside from Southern Mediterranean Europe and Iberian and Atlantic Europe, this conception can also be found in Scandinavian late Iron Age art, which is pretty cool! :D (and, of course, Egyptian). It's a pity we, nowadays, don't have this custom of making art for the ancestors and for the living and exchange such gifts with one another. Today it is a bit dull . . . simply a headstone and that's it lol.
@@ArithHärger i shall be burned and my ashes scattered among the ancient sites of orkney :)
awesome and lovely content as always
This was amazing, thank you arith and your lady. Very insightful. 🙏🏻🕊😇🧿
Best yet 💛ty
Second review as this Solar Goddess,
the disc,
reminds of a ~
Bronze Age Egtved Girl Found Buried in Denmark Was From Someplace Else
A new analysis of her hair and teeth suggests she may have spent her early life in southern Germany.
Interesting research you illuminate many cultures participation in solar worship.
Also, love your take on (idols).
So true.
Thank you Arith revisiting my ancestors.
I love all your series and this ancestral resonance.
An altruistic, anamistic Goddess since birth,
I LOVE to understand my ancestors with greater clarity.
Thank you.
You rascal.
How can you slap this "eyes v breasts" debate onto the end of the video?
This is the kind of unique information I love you for!
You alone, in my experience anyway, bring up cross references and discussions with academics.
These little insights change the entire picture!
Sharing your innocent conversations with sanskrit scholars spurred so much research and personal growth in my own life! Please continue allowing us this window into true academic thought.
Very thankful for your time and your work..
Merci pour la vidéo.
Excelent work Arith!
Interesting, and so relevant to our world today.
Very good video!! I once had someone kept calling some stuff I have Idols and I had to correct them 😁 I love learning about these different deities keep up the good work my friend.
Again, very interesting, thank you
Very glad I found your programs. Fascinating interpretation and reinterpretation. Thank you.
So, perhaps I am a bit odd, but when I saw these two idols, my first thoughts were BOTH of breasts and the eyes of owls. Maybe I thought of breasts because I have seen other neolithic feminine 'idols' or figurines and so I jumped straight to that interpretation. But also, they really do look like owls.
EDIT: The white cylinder looks more like breasts to me, while the black plate looks a bit more owl-like. But both could be breasts or owls.
Ok I showed these to a friend, a woman (from Bangladesh actually, so a different cultural background), and she said, I quote, 'titties don't look like that.' Just to give another perspective!
Later on these same icons become more refined and show a head and breasts, look up carved Menhirs
Love your stuff kick on love it
Thank you for an very interesting video. 🇨🇦
Cute statue. 😍
Ur awesome man!
Thank you for all of your work and sharing with us! As you were talking about the female form and mentioned the line my first thought was not a spine but perhaps linea alba.
I was just figuring out how to say
"but they could be boobs man",
& then you said it yourself!
Good job! Has anyone equated these figures to the dawn goddess Ushas aka Aušrà aka Ēostre? Cheers.
This is cool. I love the little figures. There's a bunch of that Shale stuff at my place, and I've even collected some to use for something at some point. You keep saying something that sounds like Chocolithic, and it makes me think... hm 🤔 the time of chocolate??? Lol... and now I want chocolate, and ironically the shale peices look like dark chocolate lol 🍫🍫
Ooh just started watching and gonna watch the rest by little throughout the day, but I’m already feeling a connection between this and my hypothesis about Hel and Baldur in Norse myth, given that Baldur was a golden / light / joy deity and in Baldr’s dream, a hall of gold was laid out in anticipation of Baldr’s arrival, in Helheim.
Are you thinking of a reverse Persephone myth? Baldr going to Hel rather than Persephone going to Hades?
@@blakewinter1657 Yesss!
@@azureflametarot Since Baldr may have been a solar deity, it's certainly plausible!
Any possibility of a video specific of pre-roman Spanish pagan gods/goddesses?
Loved the video!
Do you have any videos or references for something similiar on the north of Portugal?
Great video!!!! I loved it!
Amazing
Thank you
Lol after the first few minutes when seeing these i thought they were owl people, but then the sun but here the wavy lines didnt have much context other than water. When I saw some more i could see the bodies some with arms and hands coming together and then others i could dircetly see the breasts especially the one with the triangle representive of pubic hair. It goes to show the layers of thought put into these by the artist or craftsmen, or myself. They were representatives of an individual much like a grave stone but had a purpose of sending the spirit back to the Mother, the Mother from which all things come into being, come into this life. "From the earth we come and to the earth we shall return."
Beautiful.
Definitely Owls, IMO. If you haven't read or listened to The Messengers books by Mike Clelland yet, well... I highly recommended you do, Arith/João. 🦉🌞
the same progression or diversity is
present in uralic findings i think..
there´s those that believe that one
of the souls goes upwards towards the
sun / stars (often with the birds,
possibly connected to everyone having
their own star) and then comes back
with the rays of the sun (while the
other soul, "shadow soul", goes to the
moon).
then there´s those that believe that
the land of the dead situates below
ground or lake, or in a mountain (close
to where you live, with the spirits of
the ancestors being all around you,
the sami people being the best example
of this).
then there´s those that believe that
the land of the dead situates in the
far north / at the mouth of the biggest
river (with souls travelling through
water in this case, maybe as fishes).
then there´s those that believe that
the land of the death situates in the
far south instead, where all the migratory
birds fly, or where the bear spirit lives or
the old man and the old woman (the
destination of many
shamanic travels).
then there´s those that believe that
the soul / one of the souls turns into
a living animal (of the family´s
totem,
for example all bears being your
ancestors).
that´s already five completely different
belief systems.. and people wonder why
it´s so hard to pinpoint the "real one"..
maybe because it never existed..
it was always "many", one cult replacing
another, or co-existing simultaneously,
which is the beauty of it (it definately
goes over my head which i love).
as a side note owls are connected to
death here too.. death, forest, wind,
winter, snow, echo, totems, clans,
witch´s helper spirits (especially when
travelling downwards).
they are usually considered as "good
spirits" who hunt the "bad spirits" at
night time.. also they are believed to
bring messages from dead relatives and
wooden images of owls are taken to graves
(nenets people especially).
Such a great series! They recently found a grave w thousands of these figures. To me they look like Watchers, the dead. No feet. No mouth. Just an energetic field w eyes. Where might I purchase one?
As the solar rays surround you....
And white owls, with reflective eyes…for familiar guide protection….
Can you talk about the culture of the Lucefécit River in Portugal? That would be awesome. It supposed a cult dedicated to the Endovelic God. The Romans even adopted this deity and built a temple. But now only ruins are left. There was an altar there supposedly for human and animal sacrifices.
Hello there. I've done a video about Endovélico's Sanctuary. I've spoken a little about both the god and the temple itself, here: ua-cam.com/video/MaBvZ0y-HRg/v-deo.html
@@ArithHärger thank you 💝
It also seems like the eyes could be breasts, the lines under them rib bones and the triangle be the pubic area? It would still be in line with the goddess theory
Might rising sea waters isolating territories have triggered the shift from planting along a migratory route to planting in a set site? Likewise, shifting from herding animals to domestication them?
Really interesting. I think the theory about the female figure is far more likley.
Assuming our ancestors were complex thinkers then perhaps the 'idols' had complex meanings. Many look like 'owls' suggesting they are representations of the souls in flight after death. Is it possible to converge the theories instead of having the markings in the 'idols' as meaning either eyes or breasts? Can't they be interpreted as being simultaneously defined as eyes and breasts thus giving a perspective of the 'idol' as being complete representation of the solar Goddess of death and rebirth from our ancestors' unique perspective?
I like this. Extra credit for using critical thinking. Too much archeology seems to say it means this or this, period. But, as you said, it could be both.
I think it's fully possible. The human mind is able to see different meanings in the same representation. Depending telling, use or situation the meaning of this or that part could be different. We still do the same today with modern symbols.
i agree, i also see eyes and breasts, both a face and a body, both human and owl.
@@CarlosSanchez-my7zg Thank you.
@@DakiniDream That is interesting, thank you.
Great video and subject again, thank you ! Tried let you a comment on Patreon, but Patreon don't like me it seems. ;) Like said, we're all obsessed with observing eyes, who didn't dream about eyes as child ? But those figurines looked still as female bodies to me, i must admit. I'm a women, yes, so this may be that. Depending situation, telling, use, all two could be possible, and used. Ribs could also be arms, hands. Lot of speculations and tergivations possible of course. Love the subject, again tks !
Oh yes, Patreon sometimes doesn't cooperate, which is rather frustrating especially when I answer questions with a long text and there's some error and it's never sent, losing the entire text -.- well, we are never truly alone and there's always something watching hehe. Thank you dear friend.
Interesting, I also wondered if they depicted a feminine body. It was the lines below the “eyes”, they looked like ribs to me. The bone phalanges at first I thought were going to be presented as body representations, as many bottom parts of the bones looked like the starting upper part of thighs or legs.
The linings above the “eyes” or “breasts” may not be “eyebrows” or expressive markers but collar bone or shoulder. These, placed on the torso or mid-section of the deceased would still mimic or serve as representations of the body of the Dead, or their core.
Thank you for the video!
Did the earliest people in the Iberian peninsula enter via Gibraltar, or did they come from the northeast via central Europe?
Sure seems to be depicting Cassiopeia, the Hag, in Aquarius, which is symbolized with the same zig zag lines that the sybmol of Aquarius ♒ derives, also associated with Athena, whose avatar is an Owl as depicted by Noctua, at the Tail of Hydra, which is directly opposite Aquarius on the Zodiac.
Cassiopeia is also depicted as a Throne, such as the Hag's Chair at Loughcrew in Ireland, Hephaestus also makes a Throne to entrap Hera, aka Kythera, or Anat, or Matre Theon, the Great Mother of Anatolia, where bodies were left to Vultures at Gobekli Tepe, and the bodies interred under the home and the Heads placed above or below the door.
Vultures being associated with Deneb, or Angelis, the Skull Smasher, who bore souls to the Silver Gate, a gap in the Milky River 🌌 between Osiris aka Orion and Pleiades aka Isis, their Scion El being the Head or Fruit of Isis and Ra.
5000 years ago Aquarius was the house of the Star sign Summer Solstice and the Sun sign of the Winter Solstice. Hydra is also Tphens, or Typhon, the hundred headed God, just as Hydra takes up 100 degrees or the Zodiac, much like the first version of the Bible was called the Vaticanus Graecus, or Son of thw Divine Serpent, which seems to refer to Fomalhaut and Hydra, Fomalhaut being shaped like an Eye, and rising on the day of the Pharoah, birthday of Osiris. Hephaestus is also known as Khasekhemwy, or Aegypticus, 1st or 2nd Pharoah of Egypt, also known as the Giant King or Og, much like the Scion of Dagda and Boann (Orion and Pleiades) was also known as Oanghus, or Og, similar to King Oeagrus of Thrace, whose son Orpheus, whose head also became a source of prophecy, bought writing to Greece.
Oeagrus is associated with the Constellation of Grus, The constellations Grus, Pavo, Phoenix and Tucana are collectively known as the "Southern Birds". The constellation's brightest star, Alpha Gruis, is also known as Alnair and appears as a 1.7-magnitude blue-white star.
Sorry to be off topic, but are there any sources for Ancestor worship among the ancient Irish? I've not had much luck finding much on it.
I actually heard that some worshippers engraved certain symbology on their own teeth (probably for both protection & to win in combat) 🤔
Were the pots/vases ever tested on the inside for blood traces? Perhaps they were used for menstruation considering they were ornamented with feminine art?
Intresting so i take it the shale slab carving could be a bit like kilts to the scots, as a means of idenification?
Hi, Arith I´m glad you're doing well . I think this figurines are more likely to represent " Divine eyes" of the God\Goddess than of breasts. In fact at the archeological museum in Madrid we can see some of those witch I presume are not solar deities nor solar cults whatsoever . Interesting video ! thank you .
Na notável pesquisa de Marija Gimbutas (ver The Language of the Goddess), os olhos da Deusa são um atributo de enorme importância, justificando o seu epíteto de "Aquela que tudo vê".
I enjoyed the beautiful serenity of this location!
This has been my 3rd viewing. In the morning, since I did fall asleep twice late at night.
The slates do look like neckware.
Idols are a terrible choice of words for small items, which could be called talismans.
Christans called them "Relics". Christians use plenty of idolatry. My parents have a picture of white Jesus hanging over their bed. I cannot think of a less sexy decoration for a bedroom. Maybe flying pigs. Also, wearing the cross, with or without a dead man on it is not very flattering, when you think about it. It just screams, " I am so pious! I'm in the Club!".
I don't really see owls with whiskers, unless they had them in antiquity, although I can understand others seeing them. Perhaps owls were admired for their unique ability to turn their heads completely backwards, in addition to their keen sight.
The female figure is greatly reduced, to my view. The cylinders are curious,, and I did wonder about facial scarring. I don't see ribs either, unless they were starving. Very mysterious indeed! Maybe my imagination is on vacation.
Many people report having "flying" dreams.
There's no reason our ancestors didn't share this. The likelihood of them having them as a life-long ability is higher than today, imo, so birds in a grave makes perfect sense.
When I was young, dead animals and people terrified me, until I understood, that what truly terrified me, was the lack of life force.
I didn't know I could see that until later. Then, I got over that terror, and could work with ritually preparing dead bodies.
It's also reasonable that there were people who had Near Death Experiences, or NDE's. This experience is identical to full Kundalini rising in nearly every way. Such a person could tell others what they saw and felt, which would encourage expectations of the Afterlife.
Light shiny eyes sound plausable for sleep flight and NDEs.
Youth can easily be trained out of mystery. It's much harder to train people into accepting co-existence with a touchable, yet mostly invisible world.
Thanks Arith! Take care of yourself always. 🎶💗😸
P.S. I did not see breasts either.
in this video we are talking about a solar godess
the sun: did someone just call me?, please let me blind your camera
does tell us something about the differences between men and women regarding perception
I would like to ask you to do some thing that goes against your grain...
Please, make a short video promoting your patreon.
What are the conversations? How often are there valuable discussions between members? And, compared to that, how much interaction is welcoming, simple friendship? These are two different communities and I cannot tell if I should expect academic types, or people more looking for a sense of community?
You make so many videos! It becomes easy to ask myself, what more? What does he do on patreon that is so different?
I would like to contribute, but we are all cheap these days, and I think we need to be reminded what your patreon offers in order to gain new members.
I am very fond of you and your work. After all this time, all these deep conversations, you feel like a friend. Yet I'm asking still, take a moment to convince Penny pinching fence sitters like me to take action
Hello there Miles Williams, I hope I find you in good health. Well, as much as I would like you to also have on board at the Patreon community, I must say that this year I haven't been very active at neither UA-cam nor Patreon. This year has been hard on all of us so I'm not going to ask you to join in. That's your own decision and at this point it's basically just to help me out. Of course, many people send me messages constantly and I try to keep up with it and answer and help out as much as I can if it is under my knwoledge to help, and patreon at this point is almost like a call centre but I'm the only one answering everything lol. However, I perfectly understand the necessity to save money. Like I said, it has been a hard year for all of us, especially since the pandemic. The reason I haven't been as active as before is because I'm currently trying to keep up with 3 jobs, so it's hard to continue UA-cam and all of this in the online world. Save your money, as it seems hard times are at hand (hope not). Only join if you want to help me a little. But you should know that I am considering quitting all of this because I can't just keep up with 3 jobs and do all these videos. At least greatly reduce the videos or something. I'm not sure how 2022 will be, so let's see how things go. Thank you for your feedback and for your good intentions. Stay well friend.
@@ArithHärger thank you for the reply.
I have been wondering for a while what your patron community looks like.
Your videos are still great! I've actually been enjoying your series on animist very much.
I've done the three job jig myself. Very tiresome. Good luck friend!
Any UA-cam channel that includes a bibliography in down for.
Gostaria de te assistir mais explanando sobre o passado religioso da Europa Mediterrânea.
They look so cute and adorable😄
BigDaddy got lazer focus in his aperture..
Asherah poles?
That was my first impression.
Such artifacts seem like, on the one hand, to have been popular art, but on the other akin to tomb markers.
I always find it curious that things placed in burial sites are moved or removed when they were placed there to be a marker of permanence and remembrance all in the name of $cience rediscovery. Now that which it was protecting is no longer protected. We gon be digging around and take the locks off something we shouldn't eventually, and disturb something that will lead to our demise and/our downfall... because we were curious about what had happened.
Leave the dead buried.
Love your work. Why does science insist that honoring loved ones that are dead equates to worship? Is it really any different from today's practices? The crosses and statues in churches around the world meet the definition of idols.
She is the Celtic Goddess Brigid/Brigette/Bridie. The dates of these idols suggests that she was known by Africans much earlier than is believed.
Could the breasts represent the sun and moon? And that's why they appear "radiant"? And could the tops be flat because they did place something on the figure to represent her head? Something that could be interchanged or that was impermanent which would need replacing to represent cycles of nature? An ever-changing face of a Goddess linked to seasons which have different faces? And the vertical line could simply be the soft line the body makes from the sternum, down between the abdominal muscles, to the pubis. Were these figures ever found with other artifacts nearby or were they by themselves?
these figures resemble the later freya´s big stone engraved with huge eyes in Sweden .Perhaps they are related in some way ?
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It’s just old timey porn. Like finding the ol’mans playboy collection!
The "eyes" could just be nipples, since both men and women have them. And the tip of the "nose" maybe could be either a vulva or a penis. The Deity being some form of Death and Life deity, it would make sense for its to be a skeleton or skeletal because of the "ribs".
Fantástico video, como sempre!
Mais? Sff...
Looks like a goddess given to those whom did giving birth.
Looks like an owl. Wisdom.
Yes, indeed, at minute 25:00 I speak of it ^^
@@ArithHärger Thank you 😊.
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I just got to the part where you mention that haha I guess I view these sculptures more like a woman.