VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 123
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Niko and Wren are joined by Pre-Viz Supervisor James Willingham of the The Third Floor to discuss the artistry of previsualizing action sequences in some of your favorite Hollywood films and tv shows.
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Chapters ►
00:00 Welcome to VFX Artists React
00:50 Prey
05:27 No One Will Save You
08:25 House of the Dragon
12:23 The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
15:00 Artist vs. Deadline
15:22 Thanks For Watching - Розваги
I was a pre-viz/layout artist and supervisor for 10 years, so it's really nice to see a different part of the pipeline get featured on the channel. The jobs aren't all sexy final renders and comp!
GET ON THAT COUCH
@@thedarkflowkillerYESS!!!
Get him on the couch!!! ^^^^^^
Thank you honestly. Even rendering on blender is harder than it looks. I can make a perfect floating pyramid but always f*ck last minute due to a dumb error
I'd say this is pretty sexy as well, this is were the action gets made. No comp without this before....
One thing I noticed when they were showing pre-viz, post-viz and final is that each pass was getting *darker* than the previous one.
Perhaps you could do an episode with a colorist / color grader and discuss how color is applied in film?
Pre viz is an essential part to find mistakes and improvements you can make. Therefore, it’s important that the model is in a good lighting environment where each shadow is visible. Post viz is about getting the lighting just right
That's an excelent idea. :D
@@ssato0It feels like a problem with everything nowadays tho. Everyone takes a pass to subtract light from the image, nobody knows how to add any back.
that sounds awsome. for the shots in this video tho the shots dont really get darker per se. the scenes just have realistic lighting in the final"viz" haha. the lighting is very barebones before that. i imagine also for the sake of clarity since its used so everyone on set can have a very good understanding of the scene.
Also there is a trend now for movies/shows to be dark.
I was the matte painter on Movie Prey and worked on those shots which were shown in the start. And I really enjoy watching the videos on the Corridor Crew Channel, very educational and entertaining.
This made me realize that vfx artists are truly writers as well. They deserve wayyyy more credit ♥️
@@DaytonAutikadamn
Fun fact: when streaming studios give early access screeners to critics, some times there's scenes that are still pre-viz because they're still working on the CGI. Happens a lot with later episodes when they give out full seasons for a weekly show
The Wolverine: Origins work-print with pre-viz and unfinished special effects were literally more entertaining than the finished film.
What you're describing is post-viz, since the principal photography has already been filmed.
A lot of things get better early reviews because people will assume the stuff they don't like will be cleaned up
I would love to see you guys do the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode 'Trials and Tribblations' - it's from 1996, and it's a fantastic example of inserting modern-day actors into scenes shot in the 1960s. This was also the first time any scenes from the original series had been remastered from their original negatives, so Shatner, Nimoy and company look fantastic.
Going over some of the other DS9 space battle episodes would be cool too. There was way more of those in DS9 than other Trek because of the Dominion War stuff, so I'd love to see more 90's TV VFX breakdowns.
It was magic.
@@corey2232 requisite request for some Babylon 5 as well!
Definitely! It incorporated their crew so damn well into the old episode, the color correction, set design, DS9 is better than anything Trek related of the last 20 years combined
@@corey2232I think SG1/Atlantis has much more entertaining space battles, it's definitely the best TV sci Fi show because you see them develop all the tech along the way
Don't get me wrong, I fucking love DS9 and the dominion war is absolutely legendary and handled so much better than modern trek while keeping the optimism and ideals of Starfleet
Story boards and pre viz are def the bones, heart, and soul of a great sequence.
Thank you for asking "how do you get in to pre-viz"! As much as I love seeing every step of the digital production process, the "initial sketch & refinement process prior to doing a final piece art" that is pre-viz has always interested me.
yeah it really seems appealing in the same way as concept art! Like you're not making the *final* thing, but you get to make a *complete* thing and really be responsible for a whole idea as a generalist. I think for anyone DIY there's something super energizing about that.
Start by getting experienced with character animation in Maya
As a Artist whose done some storyboarding for film, this was a particularly awesome episode to see how the big wigs pre-vis these projects.
The visuals in Prey were good. I didn't even catch some of the uses of CGI until I watched it a second time
It is not because the cgi was good,it is because you don't have keen eyes.
Yea...I think it had some of the worst CGI animals in recent memory.
@@benjoe999 it's cause of the story man. You don't care much when the story is good enough to lift it up
Guessed you missed all those fake ass looking blood and gore, something that a Predator movies shouldn't have.
@@zZiL341yRj736 aren’t you talking about the Predator movie that came before this one? 😂 they all have bad visual effects technically, this one just had better effects but a good story.
Monty Oum's work would be cool to check out. He's no longer with us but the man was a savant of fight choreography. The Dead Fantasy series is unbelievable and of course the first two seasons of RWBY and the 4 proof of concept trailers he made for the series when he was pitching the idea.
Yeah the man was legendary. It hurts so much every time I think to how early he was taken from us.
How could you leave out his RvB Tex fight? Such a classic.
we really Oum a lot
This was the coolest behind the process video. Loved hearing all the steps in it
Wren is a Mistborn fan?! I want to meet this crew so bad. You guys ask seem chill and I'd learn a lot from being around you all.
Wren has been a guest on Brandon Sanderson's channel book clubs a couple times :)
Yo guys I think y'all should definitely start doing video game graphics with how damn good they been getting
Duuuuude! Finally they got a pre viz guy on the couch hell yes. The “I promise it’s gonna look amazing” people who make it possible for it to indeed look amazing in the final product. So awesome.
I think this might be one of my favorite episodes of VFX artists reacts. Very interesting to see the this deep into the process. Thank you James!
Thank you. It's my pleasure. :)
Spectacular guest. Wish the episode had been longer. Now I want even more Viz content at all stages.
Could you guys do one about how they did The Muppets (2011) it’s genuinely a very impressive film and i was watching it last night and they have a scene after Walter hears the bad guys’ plot he runs out of Kermit’s office and for him running they use a Snoricam and i’m so curious as to how they achieved it
Where are you guys... no video in this week. Waiting eagerly 😊😊
i had no idea they did this for live action films. i guess it makes sense when thinking about it, as it's the easiest way to choreograph action scenes, but yeah. learnt something new!
Prey is one of the best Predator movies we have, right up there with the original Predator, and you can definitely appreciate it so much more watching these behind the scenes stuff and seeing how much passion and heart everyone put into it
Not really. The alien super killer gets smacked up by a teenage girl who gain her skills via a 3 minute training montage in which she throws around an axe on a rope in the woods. Oh and then she beats up 7 guys single handed, also in the woods.
It's garbage.
@@nixonagnewreviews7206wah wah, cry more.
@@DarkHawk666About what? I didn't direct it. Not my film lol.
Wow never realised so much went into pre-viz and how much camera, shots and storytelling went into it. Great episode.
as VFX related artist - this episode need max expose for normal everyday movie goers just to get grasp and understand how their epic movie on big screen was before any principal photography and all that sweet magic of post - be it green screen mocap real world set et cetera - PRE-VIZ is almost actually on top of list for what it comes to make that movie flow epic after all - and be done in budget and in time - thx CC for another reminder about facts how it works 🤟🤟🤟
Woaw, James was awesome to have on the couch. The hidden hero of the hidden heroes! Great insight on the workflow of big projets.
Would love to see more videos taking about tech-vis process, especially with big blockbusters that spends millions on building sets with large action sequences.
Not exactly pre-viz but I did manage to do all the animation by myself on my recent Zelda video 😅😄
dude this is great knowledge, as to how the previs-post vis-tech vis-etc helps make movies....I love it so much.
Please don’t stop sharing about VFX advancement. It is so inspiring to see, hear how people are doing, discovering ways to continue making amazing artwork!
Me thinking my screen had a dead pixel and tapping it to fix it, but it's just the camera for the full couch shot (Niko's left shoulder)
This was so cool! Watching the different visual steps to the final product was amazing! Please show more like this.
It's so great to see you guys looking at pre-vis! I'm a pre-vis artist for a well known games company (coming on ten years now!) and It's so great to see love for the guys who are considered integral, yet invisible!
I still gotta scream out 1998's the Faculty! Incredibly good and funny and weird late 90's CGI.that movie has so many vfx gems!
They should check out Fincher's new movie The Killer. There is a big fight scene and it looks like they use full digital doubles in parts of it. which seems strange since it's such a grounded fight scene.
Man this channel always continues to impress with its informative and funny approach. I bloody love these guys!!
No One Will Save You was my favorite film of the year, glad to see it on here
Damn this may have been the most interesting episode to date, so interesting man. And the dude is such an experienced professional, man.
Weird, 123 is on UA-cam but not the Corridor website? Did someone forget to flip the switch?
edit - 01:55 EST the extended version is on Corridor
Yeah kinda annoying but I'm guessing this was either a failure to upload on the website that wasn't caught or somebody poorly scheduled the yt vid
Still isn't online :/
It could be an issue of the video still processing. A recent Wan show on Linus Tech Tips talked about delays when uploading to their streaming platform, floatplane. UA-cam’s processing farm for uploads was described as “magic that we don’t personally have” when talking about how their Wan show uploads are delayed on Floatplane vs their youtube channel. I imagine that is the case for Corridor Digital as well for their website
This might be one of my favorite episodes of this show! So much stuff learned and such a cool new side of vfx (and viz 😂)
This was such a fun episode, but i really like how it shows how it takes alot of people doing different things to create this magic we see on screen.
10:43 FYI guys Miguel Sapocknik wasn't the director for this episode. It was Greg Yaitanes and his director of photography Pepe Avila del Pino who went and shot the scene with an iphone and figurines.
Why is this not on the app/website? I thought you just had taken Christmas break? I am pretty confused, but, nice to see an upload, but i will wait for the extended react.
I was wondering it too
Oh now its there😊
@@-off- thanks for letting me know, I'm going watch it there, is just interesting that they didn't mentioned the extended cut in this one 🤔
Such a informational episode, what a great guest James was.
Never really thought about pre-vis that much but those folks are so important to the whole process it seems. Great work!
This was an awesome episode seeing this part of the process!
Would love another episode with James Willingham. That was super fun to watch :D
Why this not on corridor website first 🤔 i want extended version! 😄
I came here to say this!!!!
So cool to see how many different elements go into making a shot.
Happy holidays guys thank you for putting out so much great content this year! I love this channel!
As a pretty fresh freelance vfx artist, I’ve tried showing post-vis previews to clients, but and found it pretty difficult to help the clients put on their “cg goggles.” I can already see this video being a great resource to help clients understand the importance of this, and also just the importance of not rushing straight to the final comp, even if it’s just going to help me more articulate! Thanks dudes, you guys rock!
I wonder where the extended cut on the site is? Cant see it anywhere. The youtube version will have to do for now!
This was really fascinating to learn about. Thanks, James!
Nice work James and CC! James and I have worked on many shows together. He’s the best.
Hell yea! Was with TTF for 8 years! Good times traveling for movies and making magic get Greenlit ✌️⚡️
This guy and his job is so cool, such a interesting part of the craft of the vfx industry
Thanks for giving us a great insight into pre-viz!
This was a really interesting video and I learned a ton of stuff from it. Thanks for showing a different side of CGI!
These shows are always interesting and informative but it was really cool to get some insight and behind these scenes for a part of film and TV production that usually gets overlooked or undervalued by the general public.
Where is this week's video?
dang these videos are always so interesting... Massive thanks to corridor and all the guests for so much great entertainment and info!!! looking forward to more in 2024 !! Merry Xmas and Happy New Year everyone!
So cool to see another pov on the vfx/production process
From pre watch to watch to post watch I loved this video! As a DP who has been using C4D and CT to pre viz my work its so cool to hear a pro at their craft :)
this episode is SUCH a good resource for those hoping to work in film. knowing the steps and things necessary to make great, well planned and thought of VFX. I love it!
i'm only 5 min in, but this episode is extra special, I had no idea all this was going on when filming a movie nowadays, thanks
In the old days they just did paper/pencil storyboarding. I'm sure the 3D pre-viz is making things move a lot faster!
Oh man, I JUST bought the Prey bluray last night. Watching it tonight and I'm so excited!!
It’s time for new react video. Where is it, guys?
forget the react where's the Christmas exchange video
Such an informative video, loved this!
All of the ASDF movies lol. They've always given me the vibe of previs for a sketch comedy show.
This was an awesome guest, so cool to see all the vizzes
House of the dragon is a masterpiece
I can't wait to see s2
Good to see various parts of the pipeline getting featured as a producer in the industry id love to a producer on the couch 🛋
Bless this man and all the great work he and his colleagues have done.
Dang if you’re also plotting the camera angles and set up it’s like you practically did the DOPs job, but digitally since all they gotta do now is replicate it practically. VFX guys are so underrated
You guys should do some videos where you look at CGI in music videos. There is some wild stuff out there but also some really good stuff! Eiffel 65 - Blue, O-Zone - Dragostea Din Tei (Some wild ones). a-ha - take on me, has some really good CGI that would be interesting to see what you guys think. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you all :)
Please look at “Death Becomes her”, there’s a lot of body manipulation effects in the latter half of the movie. Specifically when Goldie Hawn’s character gets a hole in her stomach and is used in a number of shots where they look through and interact with the hole, like throwing a spear through it and sitting down while a spear protrudes from it.
Also a few practical shots of Meryl Streep readjusting her head
I believe they already did a reaction to that movie a couple of years ago, in VFX Artists React #43.
You’re right, I guess it’s been 2+ years since that episode I forgot, but they also only looked at the 1 shot of the hole scene. Hopefully they look at the couch hole scene that looks Really good
This is very helpful! More talks on direction will be really appreciated guys.
The last thing I knew about were storyboards, so it seems that planning got very technical. Such a work that we didn't not only see but appreciate, till now, thanks.
Wow, so Dan Trachtenberg directed Prey? Now I have to finally watch it. Really miss the days of The Totally Rad Show.
Watch the episodes were they review the predator movies. So fun to rewatch.
Goofy as movie, especially that last trap tht required knowledge, luck, perfect planetary alignment to work. One of the most stupid thing I've ever seen.
I can finally watch these after catching up after months of watching
haha, been there, done that
This was fascinating! Had no idea its THAT MUCH work!
I'm just always stoked seeing Wren in his mistborn/bridge 4 shirts and representing the cosmere for us hahah, it hasn't been made live action yet so we can nerd out about it before it's a mainstream thing
A few years ago he even got Sanderson himself thanking him on Reddit
you guys should do more of this before and after cgi reacts
Perhaps eventually, they could check out ABBA Voyage for a special episode featuring some select moments as the technology behind it is really impressive.
That was incredible! Thank you for such a dive
I talked about this to my film studies teacher. he just looked at me like i was crazy and just said "i don't see how 3D design could anyway helps us out" as i we talking about blocking, angles, where to fit the camera well before we shoot, to story board it using 3D... But he was very excited about his 16mm black and white movie that everyone had to make for him. My idea at the time was just using Sketchup as it was at the time the simplest 3D design software that could import stuff to unity, where you can animate everything, create shaders to mimic lenses etc... I had not heard of this technique but it was so obvious to me that of course it was used. I had the workflow drafted and i could've lead that course, which really was in the back of my mind.. to get some doe and foot in the school faculty door. But the fact that he just could not even imagine what i was talking about... kind of demoralized me.
Small town media schools... there is something endearing about them, lucky i only went there to get enough credit for sound engineering, but i was doing some game development stuff on the side.
SOLSTICE - 5 by Paul Chadeisson is something you guys should check out. Just came out a couple of weeks ago but the effects look awesome.
We need your take on Godzilla Minus One!!
I loved this new type of content of another part of the proces, I hope you do more like this sometimes
This was a really great episode, BRAVO.....
Is there a reason this isnt on the site?
I hav3 been refreshing since yesterday haha. 😅
Worst VFX, worst physics sims, worst stunts ever in a movie. Torque (2004)
Same as game dev, it's a lot of listening to great ideas from every corner of dev team. With a director combining the best pieces, yet everyone doing their utmost best. Cool to see more of the process on film.
To answer wren, of course the previs is shorter and less smooth for FPS. The whole idea is to get an idea for shooting, not re-creating it motion for motion. The idea is to save money while giving a way for all to be on the same page. In the end, I’m sure director and producers would rather spend the real money on the real final animation, etc,which gives a super smooth as butter and visually pleasing end product.
What happened to CC?
Don't forget to smash that SubViz button! =D
One of the best episodes I've seen. More of this content pleases!
i sympathize with this dude so much. i work in audio and i can't tell you how often clients send back notes like "can you make it louder?" or some other thing that'll gets addressed further down the pipeline
you guys should break down more shots from house of the dragon they have a full documentary of behind the scenes you guys could use too
Prey is such a wonderful movie.
Sounds awesome Niko hope people submit their previz stories would be a great way to introduce new people to audiences that want to be in film and media in the future 💯👍😎
More of these ppl need to be put into the light. They get the real work done!