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Lesyle Headland: From my point of view the Jedi are evil!
Wait I got that wrong? The Sith aren’t misunderstood?!?
and we're supposed to believe she didn't lure innocent girls to Weinstein's casting couch. hell, she's probably the genesis behind the idea, "join me and together, we'll sit on the couch together...Ooo look at the time, gotta run, bye!"
@@LeslyeDestroyStarWarsHeadlandomg it’s Darth Thumbface herself!
Obi Wan: WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!!!!!!!
From my point of view Lesyle is evil. 🤷♂
Old fans: The Jedi are wise beings we should all aspire to be like.
Disney fans: How dare Jedi act wiser or more emotionally mature than me? Everyone needs to be portrayed as terrible as I am!
it insane that only jedi survivor ever remember jedi be "guardians of the peace"
Correct
Welcome to modern world that finds it easier to tear down ideals rather than try to live up to them...
Making everyone and everything Morally Gray doesn't always work.
Personally I think the worst is.. “see the Jedi have flaws”.. no the people who are Jedi have flaws.. they’re trying to better themselves.. we don’t just accept flaws and say oh well
Agreed, the difference between the prequel/Clone Wars era Jedi and the High Republic/Acolyte's "Jedi", is the former are accountable for their actions as individuals, the latter are only bad BECAUSE they're Jedi, nothing more
The problem with The Acolyte is the tried to make the Jedi seem evil and failed. They were on the planet for a scientific mission, the witches mess with their minds and seemingly go on the offense, and all the Jedi are terribly sorry it even happened, which somehow is unforgivable while Qimir slaughtering her friends right in front of her and breaking their necks impaling them but it’s all good cuz good and bad are so confusing aren’t they. Whatever they were trying to do they failed
@@alexanderdumas- they probably didn't even try, at least by our standards of what trying looks like. The Acolyte's writers can only praise concepts and think that the ideas by themselves can carry the show, but fail to comprehend that they also had to value execution as well. They're simply not passionate about storytelling, because I guarantee you my fellow graduates from creative writing, would be able to make far more complex and intriguing tales than anything that came out of this show
Accepting personl imperfection yet striving towards perfection is the foundation of many religions and spiritual traditions.
@@krnatsu Honestly, as someone who's read multiple books and comics set during The High Republic Era, I wouldn't mix the majority of Jedi/Force-sensitives from Phase One thru Phase Three of the books, comics, and even the video game (JEDI: Survivor) with the limited, poorly rendered ones We encountered in, The Acolyte. Truth be told, I don't believe, in its conception (around 2018), the period of The High Republic was supposed to extend all the way to 100 years prior to The Phantom Menace. The Acolyte is more so a bridge moment (if it's considered canon at all) between The Golden Age Of The Republic and the time of Episode I. I think Headland was allowed (by Kennedy and Hidalgo) to reference certain elements from The High Republic in her own, individualized work.
In Avatar: The Last Airbender, the Avatar has a similar rule to the Jedi about attachments. However, the Avatar is actually allowed to have a spouse and a family, they're just not allowed to prioritise them over the world.
In the EU, Luke made a similar rule about romantic relationships and it actually made his Jedi even more spiritually disciplined than the old Jedi were.
This! Being able to let go of what you are afraid to lose is security in attachment. To know that life goes on, that change is life's only constant, and that nobody (try as they might) can possess enough wealth, power, or control to permanently make it all the way they want it to be. There is so much peace in that.
half true. But then a sith prospered right under his nose and BECAUSE of Luke's attachment to his nephew, refused to realize the danger until it was far too late, and then left it to Jacen's own sister to deal with the matter. The fallout from THAT almost cost Luke the entire Jedi Order as the Galactic Federation was not happy that they were almost overtaken by a sith and almost duped into a second galactic civil war....
and what insane is that they made luke "new order" go back to sealing off emotions/connection DESPITE that saving his father,
Anakin failed because of fear and jealousy. Luke faced his fear, and realized it was within. He passed the test Anakin failed.
Anakin failed because his mother was left in Slavery because even though the Jedi are rich and own land all across the galaxy they dont view human slavery as their problem even if they want the persons child.
Absolutely nailed it.
No he's correct Anakin's faults are his own. He can't entirely blame it on slavery.
@@chiquita683 Do the Jedi own land? Are they rich? When did we learn that? Remember, Qui-Gon's Republic Credits were worthless on Tatooine. He had to gamble in order to buy Anakin.
They're the Republic Police. They're Warrior Monks.
They don't have their own wealth.
@@That_Rye_Guy Cheers.
The difference between Lucas era Jedi vs Disney era Jedi, is that the former are flawed because of the specific decisions of specific individuals. Conversely, the latter takes issue with the Jedi AS A CONCEPT. Disney's "deconstruction" of the Jedi fails, because they do not understand the original foundation of the Jedi to begin with
Exacttly- flash and blood people will always have flaws , and u can argue no one will ever be "Trully "heroic. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt strive to be BETTER and as close as possible to heroic
@@supern0is349 precisely, a "deconstruction" of a particular character, group or concept, requires you understand what it's about. Mace Windu decent into dogma and narrowmindedness is a negative trait, even if at his core, Mace is still a good person. Mace is not a "real villain ACTUALLY", he is a man who's become compalicent in the Jedi's power and influence, to the point where it blinds him to the evil right under his nose, let alone acting in a way that could jeopardise the whole operation. The best way to describe Mace is that he does not always make the best decisions, but he does so TRYING to do the right thing. If he was written by Leslye or her team of writers, he never make the right decision, because it would always be for the wrong reasons, or he would be far too moral for what his character is supposed to be. Writers like those of the Acolyte can only make characters cartoonishly good or evil and no in-between
@@krnatsuExcept Mace isn’t blind or narrow minded or dogmatic. He was a true ideal Jedi.
@@emberfist8347 Mace still made key mistakes. A key example is during the Temple Bombing plot line, where Mace presumes guilt of Ahsoka almost immediately and as Anakin points out only held the trial for her as a formality, when the decision to banish her was already decided. Then when she is proven innocent, rather than accepting his honest mistake, Mace claims this was actually her trial, causing her to leave with her trust in the Order fractured. Then he's shown not being as cordial with her post the Seige of Mandalore, and it culminates in him trying to take Palpatine in as soon as possible and getting 3 other Jedi killed. I would describe Qui Gon as a more ideal Jedi than Mace, granted Mace went through the Clone Wars instead of Qui Gon and across that time we see Mace go from a genuinely noble man to a Jedi whose focus on the current war, began to make him lose sight of what the Jedi were meant to be in the first place
@@krnatsu Except Mace was noble. He only presumes guilt from Ahsoka because all the evidence points to her. Is some of that evidence doctored? Yes, but the Clone Wars showed already even more noble seeming people can go bad by this point. And in real life most polices do the exact same thing when an officer is under investigation.
The Jedi don't kidnap children, and they're not CPS. They talk to the parents first and then ask for their permission before they take them in as their Padawans to train them.
It's not that hard to understand.
Even Shmi wanted Anakin to leave with Qui Gon after he freed him.
We hoped the show writers did the most basic of research and actually watch the original movies… they clearly did not which is why simple Star Wars concepts are misunderstood by alleged professional writers… 😅
Not to mention CPS isn’t kidnapping as they need to be legally empowered to take a kid.
I mean... I don't think they are ABOVE taking a child without parent permission, if the kid is a slave I think they would easily buy the kid from the owner without knowing if the parent approved, but that would be the reality of acquiring them from their chain of custody.
The power balance between a parent & Jedi is not the same. Jedi have lightsabers, the force & some consider them above the law.
What can parents truly do when jedis come knocking at their doors.
@@zigurdur92 You are using a Chewbacca Defense Mr. Cochran.
"He who craves and clings to things and people will suffer when they are gone. The wise man does not cling to anything, and so he neither grieves nor suffers." - Epictetus
I think about this quote anytime I think of Anakins fall. It always been shown that the jedi want what's best for these kids. If any want to leave they may. Jedi will always do what's right for the younglings even letting them leave the order if needed.
This trying to rebrand the jedi as sinister group is been a modern writing issue.
I know the prequel works such as reference books and novels had a glowing view of the Jedi as a noble group even while the Republic gets shown to be corrupt. This anti-Jedi sentiment only really started with Karen Traviss (hated by the fans back in the day for various reasons) and leaked into the EU by the time Disney wrote Star Wars.
@@emberfist8347 She wrote the best books from the clones point of view. I never understood why people hated her.
@@gmat4380 She was the original anti-Jedi writer and she made the Mandalorians into Mary Sues. And compared Star Wars fans to terrorists after getting fired for not playing ball with other EU writers and killing off one of the most beloved characters in the franchise. Plus her licensed work tends to be bad. In Halo, she had Halsey, a major character in the lore, get chewed for the morally dubious Spartan-II Program by the same superiors who greenlit and funded the program and didn't pull the pug despite strongly objecting to it. And then she went around and said the even more morally dubious Spartan-III program was better morally despite the test subjects being seen as cannon fodder and its mastermind being deliberately unlikeable. And then in Gears of War, she treated the weapons manufacturers who are keeping humanity in the fight as war criminals.
Typical moral, busy body behavior. @emberfist8347
A good friend of mine just told me he went to Disneyland in Cali and told me Disney had the Acolyte advertised in Tomorrowland and not in Galaxy's Edge or any Star Wars part of the park. It seems like even Disney is trying to err on the side of caution when it comes to backing the very show they put out... big yikes!
This tired arguement is such a pathetic stance. They get the parent's blessing. This is literally a 5 second Google search.
Yep if the parents don’t want it to happen the Jedi don’t take the child.
@@franeruytand using Omega as an example: it's not even dangerous to leave a child as it is because without guidance, it's super hard to actually use the force for most force sensitive people, especially during the era when there were almost only jedi and barely sith around. It's not necessary to kidnap children.
That's 5 seconds too long for their attention span
Ah yes, Google, the authority. No they don't, they kill the parents and take the children by force.... really google it.
@@bomschhofmann1644 Yeah without training you just get someone with maybe some unsually keen insight, some decent reflexes or the odd slightly prescient dream. Hell Anakin, Luke and Leia were totally unable to do anything big with the force without some serious training and they are the Literal Chosen One and his "Word of Lucas just as powerful" kids.
The worst thing about The Acolyte is that not only does it portray the Jedi as a corrupt and deceitful group, but also that this corruption was happening under Yoda's nose while he was one of the leaders of the High Council, and he was too incompetent to even be aware of it.
I believe Generation Tech tried to justify this choice by bringing up a vision yoda had on the clone wars regarding order 66
The thing is yoda has stated the future is always in motion and to not always give in to visions or fear anyway
Either way it’s a big difference from yoda being officially informed that a Sith Lord is on the loose and hiding it, or one of yodas associates doing so under his watch anyway
It actually isn’t going to be happening under Yoda’s nose. Leslye said that if she gets a second season that V will be telling him everything. He will be part of the coverup, because he is such a terrible person…so lame.
George Lucas once said somewhere, (in an interview maybe, I don't remember) that the Jedi are modelled after a combination of real Eastern spiritual practices, including Zen Buddhists, Shaolin monks, Middle Eastern Sufis etc...and that they're philosophy would be well known to anyone who studies these beliefs. In every case, it is believed that if you dedicate yourself to following these noble paths, that eventually you will develop some kind of supernatural abilities and/or awareness, whether physical or mental. The Jedi basically represent mystical monks who have achieved a certain degree of enlightenment, through a lifetime of study and dilligent practice. The reason why it is important to begin studying these philosophies as a child, is because the older you are when you start, the more you will have to UNLEARN in order to understand the root core of the philosophy. Your lived experiences will often cloud your ability to fully comprehend the deeper truths your teachers are asking you to embrace. You must let go of everything you believe is impossible, before you can accept what is possible.
So true. 🙏
To also include european knights of chivalry.
A Jedi being dispatched from the Temple is much like a Knight riding out and 'Questing'. The progression system is based entirely on the youngling=Page, Padawan=Squire, and Knight.
George Lucas was specifically influenced by the medieval Christian order of the Knights Templar who were martial monks sworn to live a life of personal piety, poverty and austerity while serving an organization that itself had access to vast material resources.
The Templar’s were martial monks and seen as the epitome of the chivalric ideal until the King of France moved against them and declared them heretics and blasphemers….much like the treatment the Shaolin monks themselves received through the ages.
The Jedi robes are actually based on the white Templar robes.
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@@Loki_Yogi PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
It’s sad that such an accurate explanation as Thor’s even has to be made after The Acolyte abomination.
My grandma said: No matter what they tell you at school, the Jedis were evil.
lol
If I recall, in a book called The Jedi Code, or something like that, that's supposed to be an in universe textbook, it says that the kids who fail the Jedi trials are sent to lesser orders inside the Jedi order. They do stuff like using the force to make crops grow or do academic research. I think that tracks to me because there's always the danger of force sensitive people becoming targets for the Sith.
I think that's interesting.
@@Dagenspear yeah, I think it tracks pretty well, because the Dark Side DOES grant great power at a seemingly low price. So even a drop out with some force talent could be dangerous. It's a little dark but it makes sense in a universe with the force. I think.
Leslie Headland, “The Jedi have no emotions. Case in point, look at Mr. Spock! He never smiles.”
🤣🤣🤣
@@Mikeygee99 That is doubly wrong as Spock had emotions.
I'm not even a Trekkie and I'm fairly certain I've seen Spock smile a time or two. 🤣🙏
@@emberfist8347 ahh, but that wasn’t me! That is the type of nonsense Leslie Headland would say…
@@Loki_Yogi I know as someone who is not a Trek fan, he has emotions. All Vulcans, but when they give into their emotions you get the Romulans, a violent militaristic empire which are one of the longest-standing antagonist factions of the franchise.
I think Rebels did a good job of illustrating healthy familial relationships in a Jedi’s life with Kanan acting as a father figure to Ezra and Sabine and loving Hera, but being able to set all those feelings aside when he had to make a choice between trying to hold onto all those things or making a choice that would save the lives not ONLY of those he loved, but also many others, at the cost of separating himself from them. To me, this was a Jedi character done right-someone who wasn’t perfect, but who gradually became more and more attuned to the Force and grew as a person, rather than letting fear rule his life like Anakin and regrettably, Sol.
I do wonder where this even started. I've never seen any evidence of Jedi stealing kids. Even in Episode 1 Qui-Gon asks Shmi about Anakin being a jedi.
Also, people tend to mix jedi being complacent and maybe even incompetent with being bad or evil. The jedi have always and will always be good, but individuals can fall and/or fail.
Imo it started on the internet after TCW, people like myself playing devil's advocate and trying to put ourselves in the position of the Sith, how they might see the Jedi or justify their opposition to them.
In our defense though, we didn't realize total midwits were watching and would one day try to write this into SW canon.
@@rector0455 I can solve that argument pretty easily for you.
"Divine Right to Rule."
Not everyone can use the Force. So to some, they've been 'Chosen' by a Divine Force to receive power that makes them greater than all. They can solve the problems that other people are having and these powers make them something 'more'.
As the saying goes, "The Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions." They feel this power makes them best suited to rule and disagreed with the other half of the Order who felt that their calling was to serve and harmonize with those who were non-sensitive.
The humble servant ideal verses 'The Chosen God-Kings'.
Cue the First Schism of the Jedi Order. This happened EONS before the OT.
The Modern Sith Order that gave birth to the Sith we know happened after the THIRD. The Third Great Schism is what lead to the Hyperspace Wars roughly a thousand years before the events of KOTOR in 3000 BBY (Before Battle of Yavin, Episode 4)
There have been FOUR Great Schisms total.
@@graveyardshift6691 Except there is no divine right to rule. The Jedi aren't rulers they protectors.
@@emberfist8347 Exactly.
That's what the Great Schism is. A disagreement on what the Jedi should be.
This split the Jedi into Jedi and the Dark Jedi and later the Sith Order. Obviously, the Jedi won the first three and the Sith have gone on to Empire building.
The Fourth is the Dark Age of the Republic. While the Jedi weren't wiped out, the Jedi Order was disbanded for awhile.
@@rector0455 PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
8:05 - THe Jedi are not secluded monks. I mean, they spend their lives all over the galaxy, they are in fact extraordinary people. Adjusting to life outside the Jedi Order would probably be rather simple compared to the rigors of life within they Jedi Order.
Hey Thor, with this story I would have had Aniseya and the twins the only force users of the settlement of Brendok. No witch stuff, men and other children there as well. The Jedi still come to Brendok looking for a vergence because the planet should be dead. They are welcomed in by the village. They stay there for a while, Osha becomes fascinated by the Jedi and forms a connection with Sol. The Jedi are interested in how Aniseya is powerful with the force, she says she taught herself but that isn’t true. She’s also not from Brendok, she came to the planet pregnant with the twins fleeing from something. The Jedi wonder about the father and she says something like “He was a bad man”. Osha wants to leave with the Jedi but Mae doesn’t (I would have made them much younger, maybe around 5 or 6).
It would take far longer to write the rest but to summarise I would have had Aniseya be the former apprentice to Darth Tenebrous, they were able to create life using the force and Aniseya was the vessel (the audience wouldn’t find this out straight away). As the twins grew Aniseya formed a motherly bond with her children, overcoming the power of the darkside. She flees Tenebrous and comes to settle on Brendok. Tenebrous later finds her, accompanied by his new appearance (either Qimir or Plagueis). He kills her and the whole village, taking Mae. He didn’t know yet there were twins. I haven’t fully thought this through yet but maybe Torbin is still there, witnesses the killing and tries to defend the village. Tenebrous keeps him alive, warps his mind to think he’s the one to have killed the settlers. The Jedi find Torbin and think he’s responsible but cover it up (they’d left the settlement with Osha but not yet the planet). Torbin either later quits the order or does the whole Barash vow thing. I would have had Mae kill him first because she also believes he was responsible and also blames the other Jedi for not stopping him.
So far a much better storyline than what we got.
I like the direction you're going. This is yet another example of the fans having better ideas than the people in charge of Star Wars.
I’ve been caught in such an echo chamber of “The Jedi are bad and evil and corrupt and deserved to be wiped out” so your recent videos have been such a breath of fresh air. It shocking how widespread and generally accepted this viewpoint is and it makes me sad to see heroes in media torn down again and again. I love depth and complexity and questions about morality, but they aren’t antithesis to good things just being actually good like many apparently seem to think. I’m not saying they weren’t flawed, but the hate and slandering the Jedi receive is excessive.
Don't watch Generation Tech, then.
Just today, he called Qui-Gon, "The Patron Saint of trafficked children."
That dude haaaates him some Jedi.
The Acolyte has really pulled it out of him.
Generation Tech is a troll who profits in misrepresentation of Star Wars lore
Somehow Palpatine returned and is running Lucasfilms from the shadows in a new plot to destroy the Jedi.
Woot! Making Kylo's sacrifice meaningless!
The point about evil in the SW universe is another point modern writers miss - it's a real thing, and a threat, seeking to add and aggregate power, persuade and suborn. It's not just an opinion, a viewpoint, or a tragic misunderstanding. It's real - in universe.
The modern writer cannot understand this, because their imagination is weak, their understanding of the cohesive fictional world is poor, and it all just looks like "space humans with laser swords, and current day foibles". Force sensitive children are prudently regarded as having potentialities - to work for good, or to fall to the dark side. Towns, villages etc with jedi showing up and saying "can we test the kid?" are essentially having an offer to bring out the best in the child, but also to prevent them from flipping to the dark side - in an unmoderated environment. That is potentially a huge risk to the family, town or origin.
“Confused about Star Wars, Disney is. “
instead of a story from the sith’s perspective, i’d like to see a story about jedi really confronting grief and mourning and this notion of “the lonely place.” i think star wars has a lot of timeskips in places where we would actually see jedi processing grief, but a more granular look would be cool. and i don’t mean a story about mopey jedi, i mean jedi kicking ass despite some serious losses that would challenge them in a uniquely jedi kinda way without immediately catastrophizing like “omg they’re going to fall to the dark side.” it would just be cool to see heightened force power flowing through a jedi who finally makes certain inner reconciliations. i think we can look deeply at jedi without having to tear them down at all. everyone faces challenges. jedi do so in a way that i imagine is very enlightening from glimpses we’ve seen, perhaps bittersweet too.
Yoda would be perfect for a story like that. He’s 900 years old, and it’s strongly implied that his species is the only one that lives that long. How many times has he lost someone he cares about to war, sickness, or old age? There’s a reason he gives Anakin the advice he does in _Revenge of the Sith._
I’ve thought of two analogies for Jedi training, and I’m still not quite sure which is more appropriate. (1) Mutants from the X-Men universe. If people with real Force powers grow up without any special training for these very strange, very powerful abilities, they could become a genuine danger to people around them, like Russell Collins in “Deadpool 2”. Could a Force-sensitive child be a danger? I don’t know if that’s ever been explored. This would align with your idea of such a child finding their true destiny with the Jedi, and would make sense for the Jedi to seek out such children aggressively. It would be irresponsible otherwise. (2) Olympic gymnastics. To become a world-class gymnast, a person usually needs to begin training from a very early age. With their parents’ consent (or even their enthusiastic pressure), a child can be separated from regular life to train for hours each day to develop a special talent, to reach amazing skills otherwise unobtainable. Perhaps - if this analogy is appropriate - then, if a child who is Force sensitive isn’t trained, then they slowly lose that innate talent and continue a more normal life. In this case, taking away a child to be trained as a Jedi is less essential - a great honor, but not a question of destiny.
The power balance between a parent & Jedi is not the same. Jedi have lightsabers, the force & some consider them above the law.
What can parents truly do when jedis come knocking at their doors. Parents can deny a trainer but can they truly deny Jedi.
If i had to pick between the two, id go with the gymnast. though the mutant must happen from time to time, I'd think.
@@zigurdur92 It's irrelevant what 'some' think. they have never been shown acting or doing anything to give then impression that they are 'above the law'.
"can they truly deny Jedi." Yes. yes they can. Because they aren't cops or CPS. Because they won't burn your house down if you say 'no'.
@@zigurdur92 Yes. They can.
Why most parents allow it is because as members of the Galactic Republic, it's considered an extremely rare and humongous honor for a child to become a Jedi.
The Jedi also sit down and given the parents the 'space wizard' talk. "This is completely optional and you always have the option to refuse. The thing to keep in mind however is that your child will grow up 'strange' among people who don't understand what they're capable of. They may grow up ostracized and seen as 'abnormal' among their peers. We're offering them a chance to grow up among people who can do what they can do and we can teach them how to harmonize with their abilities. They won't run the risk of being social outcasts."
Between the Jedi taking the time to make the most convincing argument and the prestige of having a family member become part of an institution of galactic renown, parents do have the right to refusal but very few will actually do so.
Jedi are also not above the Law. The Jedi Code and its tenants are put in place specifically to be beneficial to Life and the Rest of the Galaxy. The fact there have been FOUR Great Schisms from the founding of the order to the Age of the Galactic Empire should tell you why Jedi are 'not above the law'. They have some seriously scary badasses for their internal affairs personnel.
A Jedi asks.
A Sith TAKES.
You sitting here and claiming the Jedi take things without regard for others shows you don't understand the difference between the two.
As far as the argument Jedi make to parents about letting their children be admitted to the Jedi Order, it's the mutant argument.
As far as the actual training is concerned? It's actually more akin to the Knight Orders of Medieval Europe. Younglings would serve as 'Pages' or Knight hopefuls in training. Pages who are selected to move on become 'Padawans' or 'Squires'. People who are apprenticed to an actual Knight. While they appear to serve as the Knight's personal attendant and servant, they are actually learning On the Job Training (OJT) the duties, laws, and studying the equipment to know how to wear it themselves.
Eventually the Padawan or 'Squire' when seen ready undergoes a series of trials before receiving the rank of Knight.
THE UTTER IRONY! Just having seen the Bad Batch, in which the Empire (the Sith!) pay bounty hunters to take force-sensitive children, to then see people turn around and say that's what the Jedi do!!! No no no!
One thing that bothered me, until I learned some of the lore.
Why did Qui-Gon(who was Dooku's apprentice, who was Yoda's apprentice) insist on taking on such an old padawan as Anakin before Maul cut him down.
This video touches on what else the Jedi can do, if they choose to leave.
Not all Jedi become knights, some become Sentinals, the Grand Inquisitor was a Sentinal before he turned.
They're also called temple guards.
Qui-Gon could not find a suitable padawan, being a Consular he really had to be picky(Dooku was a guardian like Obi-Wan, Yoda's a Consular).
Some of them become farmers. Yup, farmers. They tend, preserve and cultivate force sensitive plants. Obi-Wan was scheduled to leave for one of these farms when Qui-Gon met him for the first time.
He was everything Qui-Gon was looking for and he immediately took him on.
This excused his questionable actions with Anakin for me, entirely.
Because he believed in the prophecy and believed Anakin would fulfill that prophecy.
@zufalllx thats only part of it though, Qui-gon even knew anakin had a darkness in him, and we have evidence in the movie and some later material that Qui-gon is aware that the jedi order is growing far to complacent, so had Qui-gon lived and trained anakin i think anakin would have learned early on that jedi are allowed to love and be with someone they care for, so long as they dont grow to attached. Its that attachment that caused anakins fall in the first place.
Most serious traditional martial arts cannot be mastered if study doesn't start very young. The body and mind require conditioning while still developing. Same with music, dance, some writing systems, etc... You have to build the brain networks while the brain is developing to achive true mastery.
If you take up any of these as an adult you will hit a wall. It sucks, but it's reality.
A lot of people who despise the Jedi rule of no attachments most likely never lost a loved one or could never move on after breaking up with someone. There is a difference between mourning a loss and moving on with your life and obsessing over the loss because you were unable top move on from it.
LORD willing.
PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
The Jedi being loving and caring is basically omnipresent in George's movies. Yoda is clearly hurt during order 66 for instance. Yoda is not beyond emotions. The Jedi have emotions, but they don't give in to them for their own comfort or gain. The Sith do however. It's exactly what The Stranger / Qimir wants in The Acolyte: do whatever he wants for his own personal gain or pleasure, and if that means killing a bunch of others, so be it. How we are then to root for such a character, other than looking cool, is beyond me.
Exactly. This idea of "wanting to practice the force his own way" - how? To do what? Beyond using it for focus, moving objects, being intuitive, etc how would it be a problem unless you're using it to dominate or control others for self gain? Which is exactly what Sith do, and why Jedi oppose them.
One of the important things to know about Star Wars, is that in an objective measure the Jedi are right (or the most right group) about how the force works. Like if the Jedi say "giving into anger is a bad thing for force users" they are just plain correct. This is a fact about the metaphysics of the star wars universe.
I will always stand on the side of the Jedi NOT being corrupt, fallen or as a whole flawed in the PT era. They made mistakes as all people do. They had members with flaws and faults. But the order itself was correct. They were simply a little complacent after having, fundamentally, won 1000 years ago and blindsided by a crisis that gave them absolutely no good options for action.
So thank you Thor.
They were also essentially made a part of the republic which made them lose their objectivity. At least in the old Legends Canon, during the Old Republic era, The Jedi were allied to, but not a part of, the Republic, this gave them the ability to objectively stop crises and call out the Republic. But as the Sith Wars went on, the Jedi sided more and more with the Republic because…well…evil Sith empire vs good republic, kind of a no brainer. But once the Sith were seemingly destroyed, the Jedi became part of the Republic and began tolerating the problems of the republic and became immersed in politics…big mistake
@@justinbowers2749 I don't think it was a mistake as such. On their own the Jedi have incredibly limited resources. There are a few thousand of them who can only do so much. The republic though have the big guns. By allying properly with the republic they gain legal legitimacy, show that their power is not unchecked and can call upon the republic as back up when needed as well as accessing the vast information network of the republic.
Without taking over there is only so much they can do in order to straighten up the republic, especially when a Sith Lord tricks his way into power and begins to break the institutions from the ground up. And becoming rulers by force is not the Jedi way, or a good thing at all. Even good people like the Jedi are not safe with unchecked power backed only by either force, The Force, or the end of a lightsaber.
Again their alliance worked really well for over 1000 years. That is a good record. The problem was not something they could have stopped.
That is true, that being said, there’s a difference between being allied to the republic and being a part of it, the Russaan Reformations made the Jedi part of the Republican Judicial Focres, meaning that they were no longer allied to the Republic but part of it, meaning unlike before they had to obey the Republic’s laws even if they were stupid, they had to tolerate horrible things as the lesser of two evils, unlike in the old republic where they could say “no this is wrong and you need to fix this”
The irony is the Sith were the ones that forcibly conscripted you. Back before the rule of two, there were eras that if you were found to be force sensitive, you were essentially forced into the Sith academy (since attachments could lead to the Dark Side they didn't care about them). In the academy it was "survive or die." and you had zero say in the matter.
Jedi don't kidnap kids. They choose to go with them and as far as I know, nothing is preventing them from leaving. Jedi are not cult like and will hunt you down if you leave their order.
In older societies, sending your children (at varying ages depending on the time and place) to be a part of a religious order, to become a monk, a priest, a nun, etc. did happen in the past. Maybe not so much today, but families who sent their children on a religious path usually did that because they wanted prestige, felt like it was expected of them, and/or sincerely felt like their kids could make an impact in the world., making it a better place. Preaching the good word, and doing their God’s will (or many gods or a philosophy depending on the religion). This can certainly apply in the Star Wars galaxy.
The Acolyte (poorly) takes a skeptical approach to religion (labeling it a cult, you have to be brainwashed to actually believe that kind of stuff, they’re not sincere just trying to cover up their hypocrisy while grabbing power, etc…)
I think you could have characters that have this view, that are suspicious of the Jedi (even Han Solo called it a hokey religion) and that have hot takes on the Jedi. But that’s not what we got in the Acolyte. Depicting the Jedi as corrupt with no clear motive, making them do stupid with no explanations given is just bad writing. When you say your show does one thing in interviews, but it fails to convey that in the actual show, you haven’t made your point very well. It’s vague and unconvincing.
PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
This whole misconception originated in reddit
From people who didn't truly pay attention when watching the films or they just watched videos of others covering the films.
Reddit spaceport... You won't find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
@@rector0455 8chan hold my blue milk and watch this.
Generation Tech on YT is a watered-down version of those mentioned here, but with the same end result. The comment section over there is just straight weird.
@@Loki_Yogi under which video?
I love how you understand the themes and messages built within star wars. For me this is what makes the series great. Thank you for what you do fighting for the spirit of the show. People like you are the singular thing that gives me hope that star wars may be revived some day.
Newsflash... Thor did NOT enjoy The Acolyte.
Thor is one of the few UA-camrs that stays consistent and fair in his critiques.
I also think the real reason they don’t worry about losing people when they die is that they understand you don’t really die you just become part of the force so you’re not losing anyone.
THIS
PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
I have seen so many people lose someone that they love and completly lose their way to the point they destroy their life so I completly agree that it is important to love but also to let go when the time comes as sad or unfair it may feel
Ive tried explaining this to people so many times, thank you for making this. Ive never understood how so many people make the leap from Jedi having control of their emotions and being willing to let go of things to being emotionless robots is beyond me. The Jedi philosophy is basically space Buddhism, accepting that death, suffering and loss are part of life and striving to alleviate suffering and enable peace and harmony for all.
We got an entire show based on misconceptions about the Jedi. It's no surprise that it's the worst of the Star Wars shows.
When I think of the Jedi, I think of the phrase " Ill let my actions do the talking for me". They dont go around seeking attention or validation. They treat everyone as a family member to be watched over. They are not perfect because no one is
The Jedi's views towards compassion, love, and attachment are actually very similar to concepts that are often reinforced by mental healthcare professionals in therapy -- security in attachment, being able to let go, to understand how your life affects others, to take accountability for your own actions and allow others to make their own decisions. Listen and see things from another's point-of-view, provide care and compassion no matter what hardship is presented. Detachment does not mean a lack of love.
Loving others IS loving oneself (within good boundaries), and it is the "strongest" thing anyone can do. Hurting others for selfish gains hurts the self, and though that can masquerade as power, the ability to take what you want, it is a far more powerful and fulfilling thing to give selflessly than to take selfishly.
Well the problem there is that they made that detachment seem like a lack of love. That it is cold and heartless lacking empathy towards others. True detachment is not letting it become possessive. That in a moment when you have done all you can, surrender control of the situation and trust in the Force. Instead of desperately trying to control a situation in panic.
It's crazy how many people don't get these, what I thought were, basic principals of the Jedi.
I think we start nursery at 3 or younger and school at 5? Try telling then you dont want to go ..😂
Why do I get the feeling that the people making these arguments (against a fiction quasi-religious order) can only look at life as something that is solely for each individual's personal pleasure; that a life of serving others is so foreign to them as to be antithetical to them?
Something really important that isn't mentioned is the potential of power. The Jedi recognize this force sensitivity early on and intercept because, in a sense, they have a responsibility to the greater galaxy. If a child has this great power potential within them and they are not able to find an appropriate/positive role model to help them understand this thing that's going on inside of them, things can go very wrong very quick. The parents didn't plan it, the child didn't ask for it, the Jedi didn't create this individual - the force chose them, and in a sense, they are a dormant weapon. Now, this child can use their power in one two ways. Either by serving those around them, or serving only themselves.
Like any and all spiritual practice, be it Christianity or Buddhism, the "answers" are laid out for you: Loving each other, being present, identifying your thoughts and feelings before acting on them etc. It can take a lifetime to master them, because in the Star Wars universe, those who yield that power and are unprepared for it can cause harm on a galactic level.
THIS.
One quote that dominated my childhood that perfectly encapsulates why this has to be done and just as easily could apply to the themes of SW is this
"With great power comes great responsibility."
Writers of today, generally people are not stupid and know the basics of life are that certain behaviors yield certain results. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
@@shannonmcelroy8454Exactly the same sentiment, nailed it! It wraps back around to why Quigon felt he needed to be the one to train Anakin, the pure potential of power The Chosen One wields is enough to tip the scales in either direction, and as great as Obi Wan is, he just didn't have the tools or experience to be the mentor that was needed.
Really similar to when a parent has a child too soon, or there is special needs or the parents pass away leaving the siblings to fill in. More often than not they're just not equipped to handle that role, so when the Jedi come knocking, it's a bittersweet but necessary surrender.
@Zooropa1310 That's also why I feel bad whenever Obi-Wan is attacked for supposedly 'failing' his padawan. While I agree that he clashed with Anakin many times, people often forget to look at things from his point of view.
The death of his and what should've been Anakin's master was the big gamechanger for everyone in the story, first because they both lost their guardian figure, and second because that meant Obi-Wan was left to pick up the pieces of what his master wanted. He was under as much pressure as Anakin would later be because he had to accelerate his growth and development after this change and leave all his doubts behind.
Even if people assume adults should know exactly who they are and what they should stand for, that's not the truth because no one is ever fully 'grown up'. They're still working with what they know at the time and sometimes can only learn what they experience. If Qui-Gon had lived, he likely would've been able to help Anakin and Obi-Wan unite even in their differences, but his death left them having to figure it out on their own.
@@shannonmcelroy8454 The older I get, the more I can appreciate these stories for what they are, that being how incredibly human and real it truly really is. I'm 34, and I had actually never watched any Star Wars until 2 years ago, deciding to see what the fuss was about and get some insight. Ever since I was 18, I was given the nickname "Padawan" by my first supervisor, and then by my Master Luthier when I began my apprenticeship in guitar building. I've been tinkering and making things since I was like 6yrs old, always had enthusiasm for everything I did and never failed to "find the answer" when it came to problem solving. I grew up without a dad, and it was these mentors who helped me along in life. When my mom died in my early 20's, I channeled all of that into my craft, and with that, didn't lose emotional control. Fast forward to a few years back, witnessing the story of Anakin for the first and my jaw dropping. That nickname made more sense than anyone could imagine.
There's nothing about me that is special, despite the insane similarities, my story is so far from unique. That's why story's like Star Wars are so incredibly important for kids and adults. It recontextualizes those lessons and stories of morality that we so desperately crave that, once fulfilled by religion and faith, have been alienated and spoiled by the modern day Church. Shit, they've been telling this story since Jesus. And it's not that one is a copy of the other, it's that these stories reflect real life.
Kids will rarely have the guidance they need, and they need to know how to navigate the chaos and what is worth putting their belief in. That's all Disney needs to remember when it comes to these shows. It's really not that hard :)
@Zooropa1310 I'm so proud that you were able to build your path in life even after those losses. One of the biggest struggles in Star Wars that I've had to learn from like Anakin and Obi-Wan is choosing between selfless love over possessive love. Like Anakin, I've treasured my family and friends so much that some days I've felt lost in them to the point of fear in losing them. Through seeing the contrast between the two characters, I was able to learn that in order to achieve true love and peace in life, we have to be willing to accept and nurture the differences and changes that come in knowing others. It was through learning from their mistakes that made me willing to become more jedi-like in my own life. Even through the short-term pains and heartbreaks, I can always choose peace and serenity instead of feeling trapped in despair like Vader was until he saw the light.
I remember reading that Jedi were trained in sciences, history, diplomacy... I believe if they decided to leave the jedi order they would excel in anything.
One important point to think about as well is that for most people in the galaxy their child becoming a Jedi would likely provide them with a better life. Certainly in Anakin's case becoming a Jedi was a much better life than staying with his mother and being a Slave.
His mother sacrificed being able to raise her child to afford him a better life. And I feel like sacrifice is one of the themes of Star Wars. Anakin's inability to pick a sacrifice to choose between being a Jedi or being with Padme caused him to lose both.
The criticisms of the Jedi and the Order are so often the most maddening things misperceived in the Star Wars fandom. The greatest part in these is rooted in the fact that so many of the criticisms are not just rooted in misconceptions, but also in either literally nothing/out of thin air or even things that were already seen explained and a counter to those criticisms. As the cherry on top, anti-Jedi critics have the balls to explain their way around something George or Star Wars had already shown or said to maintain their criticism as being right.
Give me one Jedi criticism, people. I will explain it for you.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days I am here to also reply to any critiques.
You definitely don't (or maybe you do, I'm sure @emberfist8347 would😂) want to go into the comment section of Generation Tech videos.
They're something else over there. 🙏
It's clear to me that the modern "fans" or people put in charge don't believe in idealistic archetypes. The flaws of people don't immediately undermine all aspects of the ideals they proclaim to follow, just that they, either by choice or failure, cannot live up to those ideals.
Daemon to Rhaenerya Season 1 Episode 4: You cannot live your life in fear, else you'll forsake the best parts of it
"Death comes for us all, Oroku Saki, but something much worse comes for you. For when you die, it will be without...honor."
C. S. Lewis in The Great Divorce described how there's a difference between the respect of attachment to family and friends and the feeling of OWNERSHIP. "MY friends, MY family, MY love, MY etc." It's the latter that becomes the Dark Side, and the ROTS Stover novel really points out that it's the latter that Anakin had fallen into with Padme.
This was one of your most beautiful videos yet, Thor. Very insightful message at the end. I've always strived to be like a Jedi since I was a kid. To be selfless and compassionate.
Our entire culture is full of stories of outcasts who were born with some special power or curse and were rejected by the society in which they lived and often by parents who were afraid of these children. And everyone cried over their fate. In Lucas's case, Jedi come to such families and offer help and take the little ones to a world where everyone looks after them, takes care of them and teaches them how to deal with this special gift so that it does not become a curse. This is where the problem begins, how dare these Jedi be such heartless kidnappers? It doesn't matter that these kids are potentially dangerous to those around them (Grogu almost choked a man) and themselves, and that thanks to their ability to connect in the force, other force users are the best guardians for such children - the Jedi are evil. End of story. Strange logic.
This is why we can't have nice things anymore in entertainment. Everything has to be seen in the most literal way possible as all good or all bad with no room for counterarguements.
I think this miseducation was propagated by to legends stuff. They always showed the Jedi taking kids and the parents crying. I think at the time I was supposed to fill in the blanks that it was voluntary but as a kid I never did.
A few people have mentioned it, and of course, it’s not canon anymore, but in Legends, what happens to young Jedi who “wash out” of the Order was established in the YA novel series, “Jedi Apprentice,” specifically “Jedi Apprentice #1 The Rising Force” by Dave Wolverton (1999). It’s been a while, but as I recall, in that novel, all Jedi younglings are apprentices at the temple under the tutelage of Yoda (the official explanation at the time for Ben calling Yoda his instructor in EBS) until they are either chosen by a knight to become a padawan or turn 13 (or the equivalent thereof). At that point, they leave the Order and join the Jedi Agricultural Corps, an organization run by the Jedi where force-sensitives with early training can be sent to help various farming communities. I always assumed that the “Agricultural Corps” was just one of a greater organization of “Service Corps” and that washout younglings would be assigned to the corps that best suited them. The Agricultural Corps was just the one that Obi-Wan was assigned to, so it’s the only one mentioned (that I remember).The events of the first book establish how he came to be Qui-Gon’s apprentice after washing out. It’s actually a really good, if very short, book.
The way I’ve understood it, it’s not that the Jedi teach you to suppress your emotions. Rather the Jedi in the Republic classic era had lost the knowledge of how to handle and process strong emotions after such a long history of relative ease.
They weren’t outright telling students of the Force to suppress emotions, they were telling them to “train [themselves] to let go of everything [they] fear to lose.” But there wasn’t any clear guidance on how someone can train themselves to handle loss, to let go, to become emotionally mature. So students in positions like Anakin’s tended to suppress emotions because they felt they weren’t getting the help/guidance they needed. They were given a destination, but no roadmap.
Although you should never equate real life with fiction: I do somewhat understand what you are saying, as a relative of mine passed away recently, and I found that I was able to simply 'Leg Go' instead of being incredibly heartbroken over their passing (the fact that this person was just a few years short of a century old probably helped with the letting go as well, if it had happened when I was younger, it would have hit much harder).
PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
Thank you for giving us George Lucas's quotes about the Jedi. It's obviously some people want to trash the Jedi and are intentionally mischaracterizing them. I think it's a lot of personal hate they have toward those they see as "oppressors" (police, white men, religion, etc.), and they see the Jedi as having too much in common with these groups that they want to hate.
Good that you clarify this, it's more then Leslye who got this wrong.
I wonder what happens to Force sensitive kids if left to their own devices?
Will they eventually be able to use the Force and somehow become one of the many non-Jedi Force users, and have a risk to eventually become users of the Dark Side of the Force?
I whole heartily agree with your take, Thor. I, however, usually add another layer to it. Yes, the Jedi are taken at a very young age. One is for the training, as you mentioned, but the other reason is that the Force can be used instinctually. Anakin was able to enhance his reflexes without realizing that it was the Force doing it. We saw a baby Rodian (spelling) levitating several blocks before they could walk in the Clone Wars. Starkiller (forgot his name (I know not canon)) was strong enough to yank Vader's lightsaber away from him (he did have some training with a master). Anyway, my point is that these powers can be used subconsciously and/or in times of extreme emotion. We've all seen, from all canon, what the Force can enable someone to do. That baby Rodian could've flung another child against a wall, killing them. Another could bring down a building in a violent outrage. Gods forbid we see a Darth Nihilus example pop up. These aspirants are born with great power but no knowledge on how to focus or control it. So, to avoid Force users being things to fear because of their uncontrollability, the Jedi come to collect and train them to at least control their gifts.
But, that is just my take on it.
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The funny thing is Vulcans in Star Trek are always seen as heroic (though I haven't been following modern Star Trek, so you never know) yet they are the characters who literally deactivate their emotions through ancient techniques.
It's crazy that a person that does Star Wars video as a passion hobby know way more than current LucasFilm writers....
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There is a similar practice in the world of Earthsea, where it is customary for young individuals who exhibit magical talent to be taken and trained as wizards. When said talent/abilities are recognised in young ones, they are often apprenticed to a more experienced wizard or sent to the School of Wizardry to receive formal education in the use of their powers. This makes sure that their abilities are developed responsibly and that they learn the principles and ethics of magic, which are essential in maintaining balance in the world. Sounds pretty familiar. 1968.
Lion King is Star Wars = The Circle of Life
think about the millions of living people today who have had bad things happen to family while young, bad things they perhaps brought on themselves. Those survivors, the vast majority, do not let their feelings run away with their mind, letting their poor hurty feelings twist them into murderers or some other flavor of monster. We do not look to a story like star wars to glorify such wallowing in self-inflicted misery, rather it's a chance to see "our heroes" rise above such bullshit. in the acolyte headland asks us to identify with an entity who seemingly can't even try to rise above. Thios is a shitty evil story that should be pulled from disney+ and buried in a vault never to be seen again.
It's really feels like we are getting farther and farther away from Lucas' Star Wars with each new live action show and movie. It gotten to the point that Star Wars in some aspects doesn't look or feel like Star Wars. It's like someone came up with this great recipe for a soup that became popular, but the creator sold it off because they were getting old to a company. That company takes the recipe and in order to mass produce, use different ingredients in order to save cost and maximize profit. The new version kinda tastes like the original recipe, but as time goes you can tell it doesn't taste like it used too.
The rub is that the original recipe is the way to maximize profit.
This startee with the EU, beginning the Zahn novels.
@@gregwasserman2635 Not even close.
@@Deuteromis, uh, wrong! For example, when Zahn stole Race Bannon's girlfriend and gave her to Luke Skywalker, Lucas was not a fan. As in not at all, and for obvious reasons. He was glad when the character was written off eventually.
@@gregwasserman2635 Again that was because he wanted Luke to be celebate like a monk. That doesn't mean he hated the entire EU. We went down this road before and you just made yourself as a clown with zero credibility.
It’s not so much that the force sensitive kids need to join the Jedi to safeguard from evil, it’s more about making sure that powerful force users are taught to balance themselves and not turn evil themselves, all the energy is connected like one big web, if some powerful kid is allowed to grow up independent of the Jedi and he doesn’t have control over his power he could tip the galactic scale towards the dark, it’s the idea that with great power comes great responsibly, the more powerful you are, the more things your connected to, the more energy your gonna push out of balance when you go dark, as a powerful force user your morally obliged to balance yourself, and the Jedi safeguard that by taking powerful force users
I remember reading a book about young Obi-Wan and it was revealed that if someone wasn't cut out to be a Jedi, they could either go home, or would be sent to be a father, using their powers to help grow crops and care for nature
Wasn't there some argument or point people were trying to make about how there isn't a dark and light side of The Force and there is only The Force and how people use its aspects ? I realize it's not really on topic but it did come to mind while listening
There is a dark and light side though. That's kind of the point of Star Wars. Otherwise what's the point of referring to something as a light or dark side? In the Mortis arc, they have 3 characters that are essentially Force gods, each representing different aspects of the Force.
@@matthewk4912 That's what I didn't get about the argument either but the people talking about it years ago were discussing it from the point of view of a grey Jedi and how they perceived The Force
@@lllXanderlll Those people don't understand the Force. People pushed the Grey Jedi stuff because of KOTOR and the light-dark scale and "Grey Jedi Robes" being in the game. But aside from that, Grey Jedi, at least in terms of being a 50% light side and 50% dark side user doesn't exist.
@@lllXanderlll George always said that the dark side is greed, lust for power, and selfish, so he uses it synonymously with evil. He also said that the Jedi all have bad and the dark side in them, but they use the light to balance themselves. So yeah, the Jedi can make mistakes and even do bad things, but in terms of light side and dark side, the light side is good and dark is evil. But people overcomplicate things because they don't understand what the light side and dark side are.
Apprently things like a higher a calling that go beyond the material or sensual pleasuresnif the world are a foreign concept to some.
Possible interpretation of Prequel Jedi arrogance, hubris, and complacency: Palpatine and Empire are the rising Nazi party, Republic and Jedi is America that only entered the war after Pearl Harbor
Except the United States wasn't arrogant, complacent, or suffering from hubris.
@@emberfist8347 We were isolationist
it would’ve been enough if the worst thing Sol did was know that Mae had survived, but lied to Osha and told her she was dead… that might’ve actually made for a better story, too 🤷🏻♂️
I think Lucas should have solved the Jedi taking young kids from their parents problem back around the time of TPM. I would have had it that at birth, a Force sensitive child has some irrefutable sign that they are force sensitive. Maybe a glow around them at birth or something like that. Parents who see this are terrified of what it means, because if a parent doesn't give the baby to the Jedi Order, superstition dictates that the family will suffer increasingly bad luck and that the force sensitive child would be cursed. This could be presented as just superstition and nothing more, but after many centuries, the people of the galaxy believe this and so force sensitive babies are frequently left at the Jedi Temple or at local temples in hopes of avoiding the bad luck and curse. It could be presented that the Jedi were not encouraging this myth, but so many believed it that their numbers were filled up with surrendered babies, often times without any indication who their parents were. This explanation would avoid the 'kidnap the babies' stories about Jedi and make the whole thing of training young kids and no contact with their biological families make sense -- most Younglings did not know who their parents were, nor did the Jedi, as the babies were dropped off anonymously. This idea would not change the Anakin saga (his mother wasn't superstitious) and by the time of Luke Skywalker, the Jedi Order was gone, so the practice was no more.
there's a few things that also go against all these arguments. the first is the master and apprentice system, you cannot really have if you are not allowed to form a bond with someone, it's almost impossible to not feel some level friendship or like they're family when you have a master and apprentice system. the 2nd thing is remember those busts in the library in AotC? yeah that's the jedi master who left the order. a quick guide to brainwashing someone to stay forever in cult or whatnot, don't show people who just left, brand them as traitors not put up busts of them in the most public area of your temple.
I'm going to download your entire video library, copy it onto USBs and discs, and call it a holocron.
Hey Thor, at 7:03 you say Lucas isn't making a case against possessive love, but that's his very point with Anakin's story. Possessive love means you want to own and control what you love which makes you fall victim to all the things he wants to cautious us about that mindset, i.e. becoming attached, can't let go and become miserable when the relationship ends by death or something else. Being possessive also means a lack of respect for the other's personal autonomy, which we see when Padme doesn't want what Anakin is trying to do but he does it anyway.
Furthermore, a possessive mindset can't accept not having control which we see when Anakin's mother dies and he swears to never again being unable to stop such a thing, i.e. having no control.
Love without attachment isn't any "lesser" love although it might be a hard to reach ideal but still worth striving for. That type of love doesn't mean you won't be caring or do what you can to save your love however it does mean you won't do highly immoral things to do so. It means you can let go when that is the appropriate thing to do.
This is an example of your _excessive_ use of disclaimers to every point you make even directly contradicts the original point. Are you so afraid of ruffling any of your viewer's feathers or what gives?
The irony is you got lost in the weeds and apparently needed me to explain further. I'm simply saying Lucas isn't against the idea of (here in the real world) people getting married, having kids and living a life with/for another person like that; he's not against what he says the Jedi are not allowed to do.
You could say _"The Jedi are promoting the known best practices to handle the force sensitives of the galaxy by providing force sensitives with guidance, education and a place where they are understood and thus maintain peace in society."_ But the Jedi are NOT OPPRESSORS, even the Acolyte made it clear that one has the choice deny their children from being taken into the Jedi Order and even members of the Order can leave if they wish and nobody is stopping them. (until they start doing bad things)
Since the Force exists in the universe and force sensitive people will always be born, those force sensitive people could easily be using their force powers to do bad things. To use the force selfishly against those that cannot defend themselves. The Jedi's responsibility is to educate force sensitives starting very young to prevent them from growing up to be selfish. Jedi are also taking the responsibility to police force users that start doing bad things.
How do you strive for greatness without loosing yourself to vices and being a slave to it?
Hey Thor,
I really do love your videos, but now that Acolyte is done and dusted I'd love for you to make some videos on some other series?
Rather than focusing on something that none of us really enjoyed a great deal, how about focusing on something you actually are really positive about?
Love you dude x
I get what you mean, but this is what the Fandom, at large, is talking about right now. It will die down soon.
5:28-5:34 "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss
hey Thor,
Now that the nightmare of the Acolyte is over have you seen PRISM's " What if star wars: The Force Awakens was awesome"? They retcon the entire Sequel trilogy and it's an amazing retelling. Really helped washed some of the sour taste out of my mouth from the past decade of crappy SW content from Disney
All of this is completely beside the point. Of course (as far as we know, the Acolyte is the first time we actually see the Jedi interacting with children besides phantom menace) the Jedi aren't stealing kids. The issue is that the child would need to consent to this massive life change and they cannot, by the definition of them being children. The fact that the Jedi will only train children is a MISTAKE that George made when crafting the story, and now the canon has to reconcile with it, much like the Clones are essentially slaves forced to fight, which Dave has had to reconcile with. We still haven't reconciled the slavery of droids or the troubling nature of jedi mind tricks, or a dozen other moral dilemmas that are just casually thrown in by George when he made this story.
As a contrast to the Jedi, a Sith apprentice is preferably found after they have experienced life and been hardened by life to an extent, per the James Luceno novel "Darth Plagueis." Very rarely will a Sith Lord take a young person under their wing. However, within that same James Luceno novel, Palpatine was given the infant Zabrak who would become Darth Maul. So, he made an exception in that case.
I mean, Zannah was only 10 years old when Darth Bane recruited her.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Another exception was made.
In TCW, Sidious hires Cad Bane to kidnap a bunch of toddlers.
@@Loki_Yogi And both Luke and Anakin were considered too old - both exceptions that the Jedi made.
I'm currently in a day's long back and forth argument with many people in the comment sections of Generation Tech's videos. It doesn't help that the owner and host of that channel hates the Jedi and purposely misinforms his audience. Just today, he called Qui-Gon, "The Patron Saint of trafficked children."
Aside from the osha, and ahsoka, there's also the lost twenty which includes dooku.Who left the order for one reason or another.
Headland showed us the most diverse Jedi Order we have ever seen on screen, who are also the most stupid and corrupt liars, and who are responsible for the return of the Sith. What does that teach us about diversity?
Tv shows like the Acolyte slowly change the rules, first bending them a little and then breaking them. "The Acolyte" is like a paparazzi: it paints the wrong picture and fabricates lies. At first it introduces curious small exceptions (like the overweight Jedi, which makes little sense, given the training a Jedi should go through), then it makes the impossible happen: a massive coverup operation of a bunch of Jedi acting like small need babies.
Trying to present Jedi as evil is pretty much the same as trying to say Frodo never really wanted to save de Shire (just because in a moment of weakness at the end he shouted "The ring is mine!"). It's just preposterous.
I'm my head canon recruiting children is one of the things Luke proved to be unnecessary. Yoga said he was too young. He wasn't. I also don't believe Luke would have an "academy." He would train Leia. Then each of them would eventually find others to train, one at a time, carefully selected for character and motivation. No councils or headquarters or bureaucracy, not tied to any government.
Disney is rewriting the rules of the Star Wars universe. So it doesn’t really matters what Lucas thinks or had originally intended.
My theory on The Acolyte is that it's propaganda created by The Empire, and what actually happened was a set of Sith infiltrators and a coven of Dark Side Witches brainwashed and killed a variety of people to weaken the Jedi.
They must mistake this for the Witcher where the organization does steal mutant kids.
Its amazing that there are people who have seen the movies and think jedi kidnap kids. Its like were these people even paying attention to the screen.
7:19 If Anakin had a better support network in the Jedi Order, he probably wouldn’t have turned to someone like Palpatine…who was in direct contact with the Jedi and they weren’t bothered by him being with Anakin until Episode 3 🤣🤣🤣
My concern is that, like it or not, Disney can add to canon whatever it wants, and if Disney wants to misunderstand, condemn, and malign the Jedi, for whatever reason, it has the means to retcon and recontextualize the Jedi order and tarnish its legacy. That this part of Star Wars that is most inspiring to me is being changed in the context of the saga makes me sad, and the fact that it's a complete lie just makes it worse. The mythology at its heart -- good versus evil and our responsibility to live with awareness of the weight of our choices and their consequences -- must remain intact for it to remain coherent, viable, and universal. This, in my opinion, is why it speaks to so many people across generations and cultures, and what it risks losing if that is not understood and honored.