Thank you! How is open world good? If I can fast travel to the in the main enemy capital, that makes the game for too easy. And if I have to run across the entire map just to attack certain locations, I’m going to get bored. Serious, have you ever manually ran around in Dynasty Warrior 9? I did to unlock the full map and it is NOT FUN AT ALL.
Same, Empires with an open world has potential (building relationships with allies, time based events, setting up facilities that could take up time, character switching ala GTA 5, etc) but the main game should have been the usual stages, especially when the game we got has us playing through the same stages again with every single character with little to no change.
If they said they were setting fire to 9 and starting fresh with 10 I'd have been happy. If they said they were going to remaster any of DW 3-5 I'd have been happy. Instead we got what most of us with a brain expected....Total shite. It really feels like shots in the dark with KOEI. Close your eyes, spin the wheel and throw the dart. What a load of bollocks.
They're really disconnected from the fans, they do all these surveys and just ignore what people say in them and even then the Japanese fans get asked extra.... when they make up less than half of the fans. They're taking the fans for a ride and people want to ignore it
@@SexGravy yeah and that is one of the reasons why dw9 is complete dog shit, besides actually listening to their fanbase they does the complete opposite and alienate the fanbase and with this " open world " heap of shit is nothing more than a quick cash grab from a trend that died years ago, as far as I'm concerned dynasty warriors 9 is a piece of shit
For Lianshi’s crossbow, I’d like if they reworked the moveset first. You use it as a melee weapon in normal attacks while the charge attacks are projectiles, similar to Ina’s bow from Samurai Warriors.
Maybe, I've said before they should have re-worked some of the attacks to be more like the Aiming mechanic they introduced into 8XL (Like one of Zhu Ran's attacks and Wang Yuanji's new EX attack) or they could have had her more like Linkle from Hyrule Warriors.
@@SexGravy i honestly like lian shi with those blades but if they reworked the crossbow i wouldn't mind as long as its not boring like dynasty warriors 7 and 8
An Empires expansion has been a necessity ever since Dynasty Warriors 4, so it wouldn't make much sense to have Dynasty Warriors 10 so early. ( it costs alot of money to redisign characters & such )
Always excited to see a update from you! The sheer excitement some fans had for 9 Empires is laughable. I'd love to see Koei come out with the original combat and no cloning, sadly, I don't see that happening... Honestly let's just get this below average game to come out and be forgotten. Just give us Persona and Hyrule and get to work on DW 10 or SW5. Koei bombed this entire generation for the most part and the "Alzheimer's fans" don't help. Fate series is already doing a better job than what Koei has done recently, Musou wise. Great summary as always and thanks for being a truthful voice for Musou/hack&slash series!
Thank You! it's like Dw9 had: Bad Combat, Bad voices,Boring open world. and the fan responce is "We want more" I don't get it. They want more and more games regardless of quality... smh. The 3rd party titles are the only ones I look forward to now because they at least have effort put into them. It's a shame the only main (DW) game made only for the PS4 generation was DW9 and it was awful.
Like, why not make a fucking collection that ports all the old Warriors games? All those games are stuck on fucking PS2 or last last gen except for a handful of games
To be honest, I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm a bit curious to see how this game turns out, despite my opinion on DW9. Also, there's no way they would announce a Dynasty Warriors 10 before Samurai Warriors 5. Their release schedule has been consistent for quite a while now. I agree with some of the selling points you made towards the end. I was livid when they got rid of Zhong Hui's flying swords for the sake of "realism". I wouldn't expect an English dub on an Empires game though. The last Empires game with an English dub was 6.
The thing is i feel like it is perfect for a Empires game, you can place troops or make new bases in the open world on turf that you have to bolster your defenses, if they work a bit more on a siege more for taking over turf that wouild be nice. other then that free roaming your kingdom as a ruler and seeing what your people struggle with would be nice to see if you can do something for them like increase the kingdom's happiness
TBH I'll be fine skipping DW9 empires. Standard DW9 is starting to grow on me, but DW9 system is way too of a hot mess to trust a good empires game out of it. Temco Koei should have taken the L and move on from DW9. Samurai Warriors 5 is overdue now don't y'all think.
Ngl. I was expecting Dynasty Warriors 3-5 remasters for newer consoles. I am a pretty excited for DW9E, I mostly like the character customization and things like marriage and making kids with the already made characters and created characters. I hope that the weapons from the DW9 dlc have the weapons but I’m doubtful.
Shōgun I only played DW8 Empires on the PS Vita and I had all the weapons, I also had the demo tho. So I’m not really sure what that says about weapons for DW9 Empires
This is what I'm afraid of. Open world is not a bad thing for DW. It just that they make a bad example out of it. It can be as good as Shadow of war/mordor or like assassins creed. I don't want them to close the door on open world, I want them ro make a better open world. But now we just scare them to try anything slightly different.
I kinda figured they wouldn't be able to get it to work with open world but I hope it is somewhat upgraded from 8... It'd be neat to be able to wander around the towns/cities/ castles in your kingdom and interact with your officers and such face to face. Actually go up to a blacksmith to get your weapon instead of just standing around in the throne room in menus. It'd be neat as a free officer too, to be able to encounter other free officers or kingdom aligned one that may have stuff for you or may try and get you to join them if your reputation with them is high enough. I enjoyed DW8: Empires and...well this would be the only way I'd get DW9; as an empires spinoff because the base game just...looked kinda dull. Open World without substance.
Here’s my ideas: First. Turn based/ real time combo. Times turns in different stages. So you have your diplomacy/setup stage, then you choose one of your locations to spawn at and begin your turn, you then have a limited amount of time to explore the local area, or move to another area. If to save processing power when travelling around it would just be your hero, any sworn sibilings present in the same area and a small unit of cavalry /retinue scouts etc. If you come to any point of interest (an opposing army, resource location, village, town or castle) a context menu appears in real time which you can perform different actions based on your current allegiance or alignment (if that’s still a thing). When the time runs out your army becomes a piece on the world map, if you are not at a friendly settlement or a laying siege your supplies go down and you are unable to spawn anywhere else next turn (for balancing). Essentially the only time the whole map is loaded is in the between turns stages, but while on your turn you are in an instanced area based on your spawn location. While dormant, or far away, the rest of the map continues making checks to see if things are happening at the end of the turn, based on the characteristics/personalities of the generals in that area (I.e Dong Zhou goes and burns a defenceless village, Xu Zhu goes to the local town to drink and Zhuge Laing goes to pray at a temple etc). All castles once taken have a stock amount of troops, but are able to reinforced and upgraded. You can also defend your settlements with any generals there, but sub generals and lieutenants too if no generals are around (possible ‘promotion’ option?) I also thought about formations and pre battle plans becoming more interesting, like a mount and blade war band style of commanding the troops *presses button* ARCHERS FOLLOW ME!
Open world would be good with an Empires game due to how borders among the warlords worked, even if you crossed accidentally, if you where loyal to another warlord, irlt was seen as a declaration of war. It would make the Strategy phase alot more strategic
Yeah, I don't trust Koei for a second with this. I'll be watching from a distance to see how 9 Empires looks, but I am not hyped for it in the slightest. It's kinda funny that the only bit I am the least bit interested in is what the character creator will look like. Personally, I really think Koei should have left 9 in the dust and moved on to 10, but I guess they can't help but milk just about anything they make these days if it's got the Dynasty Warriors name on it. Nice I finally caught one of your videos the day it came out. I look forward to seeing your next update on whatever it is you decide. I enjoy your commentary lol.
Thanks, I find it funny that people are in love with the character creator, but that's ripped from Nioh 2... so they didn't even make it for this game... it's like prime lazyness on Koei's part, oh well
"I've seen so many people asking for an Empires for this game" and? You do realize most of those people wanted empires because It would have been open world and this game isn't, so it's hardly what people want. I honestly think you must be blind if you think they're doing this "for the fans" The fact that DW9 had 4 season passes all priced at the same as the game it's attached to, and Dead or Alive 6 having $100 season passes both of which have cut-content from the previous games are more than enough to show Koei Tecmo only care about milking the fanbase for it's worth. Dynasty Warriors 8 came out in 2013 and they kept using assets from it until Warriors Orochi 4 Ultimate that came out this year, do you honestly think they give a toss about making " an amazing experience" when they still haven't moved on from a game that came out 7 years ago...
@@cameronfield7313 honestly I'll be satisfied if they would just move on to 10 and forget this embarrassment sorry excuse of a 20th anniversary dynasty warriors game and look at this garbage as a lesson and a mistake that should NEVER be repeated............
Well, just remember that this all started cause "dynasty warriors fans wanted something new". That's probably why we're getting all this experimentation... Honestly, I feel like Strike Force would have worked in an open world cause at least you can basically dash and fly around. In fact DW9 could have worked in an open world if they put more for you to do and fight into it. You'd think open world could allow you to fight armies with counts into the millions or something.
Open world would be perfect, but it would have to be as follows- 1) Placement on the world map of officers, sub officers, and recruited soldier types. 2) A heavy emphasis on a month to month (or week to week) strategy meeting in whatever home base your in (unless your rogue) to make any adjustments to events as they occur. Supplies and soldiers should be limited, based on resource pools for player and AI. 3) Detail to kingdom management (see above) on par with past RTK games (that series is all but dead, they may as well bring the mechanics over here.... Somehow Koei got it in thier heads that those who play this are mindless button mashers who cant deal with more complex tactical elements, so they always try to "dumb it down" with weird, simplified card mechanics, ect. This is a HUGE mistake. They should, as the title implies, approach this as a strategy title with action based combat elements, not the other way around.) 4) One thing that SERIOUSLY grates my nerves with DW from 6 on is that the voice acting and performances started getting worse and worse, and went from so bad it was good to so bad we cringe. Especially in 9. Sometimes, they dont even bother with english voices in these, as if people have time to read mid combat (and have to resort to strategy guides alot because they miss commanders "instructions". People can cite "budget" to defend them if they want, but heres the thing....There are FAN CHANNELS who have great voice acting on parody projects. There is good voice acting on many indy games, and I have even witnessed decent voice acting on RPG maker projects. Koei is a billion dollar company, and you mean to tell me they cant keep up with the voice talent of indie games and fan channels? No, they are being cheap and lazy, and then wonder why they are bleeding out revenue. Koei used to care about thier craft. The voice actors they had recruited had fun with the characters and made them thier own. People were excited for who they added next NOT for just name recognition, but to see how Koei would bring these characters into this semi-anime style universe they created.....THIS is thier flagship series now. They need to have more respect for thier fans, and more respect for themselves as developers, stop jerkin around, and do it RIGHT! Hell, if they MUST be cheap, they could find MUCH BETTER talent just scouting, for people who just want published work recognition to get into the VA industry. ANY passable talent I am sure they could scout if they cared, is better then the crap voices they had in 9. But the next Empires isnt going to be open world. Maybe for the best, since I dont think current hardware would be possible to do things right with the type of open world that WOULD work. The load times alone would probably be nightmarishly slow lol. I just want them to stop trying to make up for laziness by raking the few loyal fans they still retain over the coals with DLC. If they did the damned game with passion, gameplay, voices, and all like they USED to , they wouldnt need to milk thier few loyal fans, as they would have plenty more fans come back to the franchise.
I honestly don't know how DW9 works, but this while empires thing is not complicated man. the button opens map. Every X time a card is drawn onto the map, can hold X number of cards 5 would be my go-to. Cards can be new heroes bonuses that you can pay currency to use. After x time card goes away. Click army leader click location for him to attack. Or can tell officers to act at their own will. Anyone you're at war with they can attack. Citys have defenders. If all the city's for an empire are gone the leaders and heroes are removed from the world and are turned into cards to be drawn by all empires. crossing borders without open borders agreement would cause a timer. after X time war is declared. Diplomacy can be accessed on the map and every so often you'll get a message from an empire leader who wants to talk. access map to talk to them. Also would like to be able to swap who I'm playing at will. Like DW5 and under when you could play as any hero in your kingdom. So basically you just pick a hero on your map and swap to. Taking control of them. This is 1 example off the top of my head. I would think other easy ways to do this could be made into the game.
I feel like Open World Dynasty Warriors COULD work. This is coming from someone who's only played Hyrule Warriors. What they should've done is make the map smaller and denser, rather than big and having nothing in it. Make it feel like an actual warzone, with enemies and allies littering every inch of the map... Unless that'd take a toll on the engine.
To me that’s why DW9 failed. The world is literally just centered on you and nothing happens with anyone else, I found it so stupid, the battles should evolve in a certain way all in real time
To me, scaling down the open world aspect makes more sense from a technical standpoint because Empires games are never really built with intense processing power in mind. As such, rendering ask that in real time would easily break the game even in newer hardware. So instead of relying on open world systems, they should've instead used an active battle system that divides the map into sections. They also double down on their RPG mechanics and just go buck wild with that by adding economics and NPC dynamics
They should make more hyperthetical stages and u unlock old character looks and weapon/abilities whilst playing through them so u can choose which musuo attack u want to use from any game or any combo attacks u like but u unlock them depending on what difficulty u play on
Why are we still on this game? Did Koei already forget about the bitch fest and/or backlash received when the game came out? Personally, I want Samurai Warriors 5 already. SoS had good story even if it was only focused mainly on the Sanada clan. I’ve never been one for strategy games but I can see the appeal in them. Namely the Total War games. Never played an Empires game but it has similar concepts with different executions. I don’t care for DW9 but I don’t see how an Empires game with open world fits together. The only way I can think of at the moment is you’d have to section off parts of the map and as your progress through your campaign, you unlock more parts of the map to explore. It’s how I wanted DW9 to be initially when they pushed for open world. Speaking of, Koei LOVES to push that with DW9. All the trailers for this new stuff seem grandiose when it comes to open world but in reality it has Jack shit. Maybe apart from side quests, but you can’t really take in battles like you did previously because instead of being one chunk of an area, now it’s the whole map. I found battles to be less memorable unless there were cutscenes involved, but I digress. One thing I wished for when it came to the Warriors games was more of an emphasis on strategy and placement. Mainly for DW/SW. Because one thing I really liked that SW4 introduced were the flag bearers. I want a system like that but also include the Morale system. In many games, morale is usually a passive system. It doesn’t have much effect on you or the enemy (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). If we were to throw empires in the mix, I want a more in depth version of this and strategies. That is to say, you can be a one man army but it’s also beneficial if you think ahead first. When it comes to morale, introduce a level system for you and the opposing force that caps after a certain number (let’s say level 5 in this instance). With each new level, you and your entire force gain benefits that can help turn the tide of battle. You can of course disrupt this for the opposing by doing things that can lower their level (defeating a set number of officers, burning supplies, etc.). Lower levels can give you small buffs whereas higher ones give you more rare ones, stat increases when you’re in your territory and chances to initiate grand strategies. Or something like that. Morale is really underutilized and could really be a way to fix the lack of tactical actions in Musou games. As for strategies, deploy certain troops or scout ahead to devise traps around the map, leading enemies into them would raise your morale and such. Or be the commander of a horse unit and lead you and your officers you break through a siege. Basically, I want more interactions in these games but with strategy thrown into the mix. And what happens when you start to get overwhelmed by the enemy? One other thing that SW4 introduced were buffs that you can activate in the field, ranging from food to character specific buffs. You could probably include this as a means to keep your morale in stasis to prevent it from dropping, or raise it for more effects. So if you were about to be defeated but your morale is high enough, you can respawn in the main camp without getting a game over, but only once or twice. Now I’m just rambling. I realize this might take a lot of effort to program all these conditions on top of the ones needed for scripted events in battles. The mobile game looks eh, don’t know why Koei decided to shill this one after how Godseekers went
I'm not excited for Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires, because I fucking guarantee you Koei will sell $500 DLCs for that game, which 95% of them are DLCs from the vanilla game being resold. Koei has been abysmal with their DLC practices.
I'm actually happy that dw9 empire doesn't have open world because I always fucking hated it because everything was always fucking stretched out and the environment is soo bland and empty that "open world" concept feels like complete bullshit
The only Empires games that i've played that I enjoyed was 4,5,6 Empires. I play 8 Empires for about 1 hour before getting bored and I played SW4 Empires for like half a hour.
I'm not going to lie, dw9 has in my opinion the greatest combat of any dw game, especially after the updates.(I really miss weapon switching though). But a great musou game is more than just good combat, which is why games like hyrule warriors have been received so well. The combat is about the only compliment I can give dw9 So if empires can give us stage design on par with dw7 and 8 I think this game COULD be pretty great
You're making it sound like it would be much harder to make Empires open world than it actually would be. It's very simple. In many Musou games, you can access orders through the pause menu (ordering an allied unit to attack, move, defend an outpost, etc). All they would have to do is give the player move orders in DW9, and give each officer unique tactics (charge, fire attack, boost morale, etc) when reaching their destination. Each era in DW9E would have a limited number of officers, a capital city (which serves as a respawn point), and a limited number of respawns. The objective would be to unite the land in every era. As far as domestics go, they could be simple radiant missions like DW9 already has, but expanded, and carrying them out would give your forces boons. Failing them would give your forces penalties. Certain officers may have unique tactics tied to domestics, which would grant further bonuses. In an open world Empires, further things could be added like assassination missions, pirating missions, cutting of enemy supply routes, etc, etc. These are the reasons why so many ppl say open world is perfect for Empires. The reason they never explain why, is because it's kinda obvious when you think about it. You don't need turn-based. Just a pause menu and more commands/content. Your attitude is a bit pretentious in this vid. If that many people are saying open world is perfect for Empires, they can't all be wrong. And you can't be the only person in the world that's right. Thanks for the heads up though. I definitely won't be getting DW9E now, since they decided to go with the boring tried-and-true formula, once again, instead of making the game how everyone expected... Once again. I bet there will be content locked behind season passes and dlc too, including movesets, music, outfits, scenarios and difficulty settings..... Once again. Koei has really gone to ****.
"You're making it sound like it would be much harder to make Empires open world than it actually would be." So why isn't it open world then? and you even say aknowledge Koei are lazy.. so is it hard for them to make it open world or not? Literally never said I was "the only person that's right" I made this video because no-one explained why Open world would be good, which is something I don't agree with, so I gave my reasons why it won't be open world, which admittedly could have been reduced to "Koei are lazy"
If Lian Shi got her her crossbow back I’d like the deer antlers to go to Fa Zheng... or maybe someone else. Fa Zhengs original weapon was a cloth. Enough said. Plus the deer antlers were a great fun weapon, but I’m cool with lian shi has crossbow, preferably dual crossbows
It would be disappointing if DW9 Empires will not have an open world but if Koei Tecmo feels that that’s what would hold the game back then so be it. Experimenting with an open world wasn’t a bad idea in DW9 but it was poorly executed as the world of China was pretty much bland and meh. Tbh I still go back to play DW9 for the story and the characters. I just hope DW9 Empires will be at least a better game than its predecessor from 2018.
The games have lost a bit of charm but in a perfect world where I could have whatever I wanted I would suggest the following: I agree that if they do ditch the open world then there should be a town roaming part of the game and that’s where you recruit people and get weapons and the such. I think they need to add a little bit more to raids. Like if they simple made 3 small maps that you cycle through for raids that be enough for me. The way of life and virtue thing needs to tweaked imo. I think the fame system worked better than those. Alternatively they could mix them. My favorite empires is 5 and I think some of the things from five should come back. Like special battles. In 5 they were pretty easy to trigger and quite fun. Now I feel like they aren’t. Like for example you can’t play as sun jian in hulao gate. You can’t even be in yuan shaos faction for guandu much less play as him. You can’t replace generics with caws or they won’t trigger. There’s no little cutscene before or after a special battle and they’re just hard to trigger even when playing in the scenario that it’s supposed to happen in. More cutscenes! Seven had a lot but even actual cg movies like 5 had would be awesome. Someone in another comment also said that the emperor of Han should be a character and game mechanic. I absolutely agree with this. His proposal is fantastic. But even just like how 5 did it where the emperor would name you governor, duke and king until you actually ascended the throne would be fine. But something more complex would be awesome it be cool like if they used actual historical titles like maybe when you kill lots of bandits. You get a message from the emperor saying he names you general who attacks bandits and then gives you money and free troops or something. The weapons not being dlc would be nice. English dub And so many little things lol
What a waste. While under-utilized it was the best feature this series has had in ages. I hope they give us Lu Lingqi's black armor back though. Her white armor did not look nearly as good.
I want a remastered for Dynasty Warriors 6 Empires because they missed out a ton of characters in the roster.. Also Dynasty Warriors 7 and 8 Empires need a English Dubbed plus I missed the whole Defect thing from 6 Empires which should return for 9 Empires.. plus I also miss the dueling part back in Dynasty Warriors 4..
Currently enjoying 6 empires right now, but everytime I see a generic npc that is now a playable character I just wanna play as them. Also the caws in this game obvs are pretty outdated now
Before even watching the entire video. The reason 9 empires is not open world is because it ran like shit. And Sure some patches may of made it "better" but it still ran like shit and anyone who says differently needs to get their eyes checked. And the character models looked like utter horseshit as well.
I think semi open world would be cood what i mean by that is Main hub Area in the Province to Explopre or see the things you build that why i think open world would be good for DW Empires games
There’s smth I don’t get about the fans, why are they excited for this game while at the same time don’t like dw9? The fact that they’re more excited for dw9e than age of calamity is laughable. They also have wishes that’ll never happen like decloning every character. Only lu bu, dlc weapon users, and maybe the new character won’t be clones. I’ll still pick up dw9e, but I’ll be waiting for a price drop.
I’ve played every Empires game that’s been released, and I’m fine with 9 Empires not being open world. What I want isn’t really too hard: 1. Smarter AI. Chaos mode just makes enemies Musou more often, pretty much. I find myself booting up my ps2 to play Dynasty Warriors 2 to actually get a challenge. 2. More in-depth character creation. 8 Empires had good options, but I’m hoping for more traditional clothes and options. Probably gonna add more as I think of them.
Don’t get why idiots are hyping up the game , are we going to pretend Warrior Orochi 4 ultimate was one of the best musou games when it was bang average? DW9E will probably be average or worst at best.
open world, OPEN WORLD, instead of announcing a DW10 instead they announce DW9 empires vanilla DW9 already sucked and yet they're still trying to milk the series out of desperation. for those of you who are more than happy to have a DW9 empires then more power to you, but for me personally, i really dont like it and i would rather have a remastered DW3-5 or DW10
It was such a stupid change, in Koei's own words they made her to be more matture and gave her the crossbow because of her "lack of training", then they give her a moveset that's the total opposite
I would guess that open world might work with hybrid of real time and turn based where real time happens when war is declared so the AI changes priorities because of situation. One turn can be then divided for battle duration like 10-20 minutes. Exploring could then be divided with same mind set if we think something like RotK series like using a turn to check some location. Soloing part of the game should then be divided to missions that mostly leads toward to making own kingdom or joining one. Just throwing thoughts nothing more. I just hope that the DW9 empires would be good and it would have a demo. Empires is my favorite part of the DW series and I have used quite a bit of time to those. Sadly though the strategy part or weighing options is not that crucial in newer installments because of how easy he difficulty is.
I just gotta ask, what exactly is this game's draw? So, they are essentially cutting the open world, which i agree one hundred percent it was AWFUL, but....it was the CORE gameplay mechanic of DW9. Most of the gameplay mechanics revolved around it. So, by cutting your core game mechanic away......what the heck is left? What makes this worth having over dw8 empires? They've already reverted most of the weapons back to clones, with only some of them coming back as PAID dlc.....so, what the heck is the draw here? A game with far fewer weapons from its previous installments, with gameplay mechanics geared towards a crappy open world.....with no open world? My brain hurts.....
@@SexGravy this one should've just stayed buried >< I actually think this game is just going to hurt Koei's reputation more, by bringing this back outta the closet
It might do, but then there's people that think DW9 is the best in the series for some reason, even though it's nothing like the games that got those people into the series in the first place. It's bizarre
@@SexGravy i really don't believe those people exist. I think its more that there are hipsters in the world, who just want to always be the odd ones out. No matter the situation. I mean...you have to be in order to like this the most...
I saw the trainwreck that DW9 was and thankfully didn't buy it. Tried the free trial last year and it looked better than vanilla, but still bad. I am glad they are removing the open world, but they need to go back to the old combat system as well. I was not impressed by the square spammage in DW9.
Imagine milking the worst game in the series... smh
Ikr
Thank you! How is open world good? If I can fast travel to the in the main enemy capital, that makes the game for too easy. And if I have to run across the entire map just to attack certain locations, I’m going to get bored. Serious, have you ever manually ran around in Dynasty Warrior 9? I did to unlock the full map and it is NOT FUN AT ALL.
@@emperorjoker9240 right lol
@@MyKeno18 good for you
@@MyKeno18 good for you
it should've been the other way around, Empire should be open world whilst DW9 should be the usual stage like thing
Same, Empires with an open world has potential (building relationships with allies, time based events, setting up facilities that could take up time, character switching ala GTA 5, etc) but the main game should have been the usual stages, especially when the game we got has us playing through the same stages again with every single character with little to no change.
I'll hold my judgement till it comes out.
Hear, hear!
If they said they were setting fire to 9 and starting fresh with 10 I'd have been happy.
If they said they were going to remaster any of DW 3-5 I'd have been happy.
Instead we got what most of us with a brain expected....Total shite. It really feels like shots in the dark with KOEI. Close your eyes, spin the wheel and throw the dart. What a load of bollocks.
They're really disconnected from the fans, they do all these surveys and just ignore what people say in them and even then the Japanese fans get asked extra.... when they make up less than half of the fans. They're taking the fans for a ride and people want to ignore it
@@SexGravy yeah and that is one of the reasons why dw9 is complete dog shit, besides actually listening to their fanbase they does the complete opposite and alienate the fanbase and with this " open world " heap of shit is nothing more than a quick cash grab from a trend that died years ago, as far as I'm concerned dynasty warriors 9 is a piece of shit
@kenshi jin 9 sucks
@kenshi jin I know
@kenshi jin I hardly play that garbage
For Lianshi’s crossbow, I’d like if they reworked the moveset first. You use it as a melee weapon in normal attacks while the charge attacks are projectiles, similar to Ina’s bow from Samurai Warriors.
Maybe, I've said before they should have re-worked some of the attacks to be more like the Aiming mechanic they introduced into 8XL (Like one of Zhu Ran's attacks and Wang Yuanji's new EX attack) or they could have had her more like Linkle from Hyrule Warriors.
Yeah crossbow was a little frustrating to use for me but maybe I just needed more practice with it
@@SexGravy i honestly like lian shi with those blades but if they reworked the crossbow i wouldn't mind as long as its not boring like dynasty warriors 7 and 8
I don't know if it's just me but i kinda like the empires games and i'm actually pretty excited to play Empires 9
Hear, hear!
Same unfortunate what happened with 9
I was hoping for Dynasty Warriors 10 too,they really need to listen to fans sometimes !
I thought it’s was going to be SW5 since it’s been long since we got SW game. But nope!
An Empires expansion has been a necessity ever since Dynasty Warriors 4, so it wouldn't make much sense to have Dynasty Warriors 10 so early. ( it costs alot of money to redisign characters & such )
@@JumugiDesunra they should remaster dw3 and dw4 because thats were the times where Dynasty warriors had a big hype
Always excited to see a update from you! The sheer excitement some fans had for 9 Empires is laughable. I'd love to see Koei come out with the original combat and no cloning, sadly, I don't see that happening...
Honestly let's just get this below average game to come out and be forgotten. Just give us Persona and Hyrule and get to work on DW 10 or SW5. Koei bombed this entire generation for the most part and the "Alzheimer's fans" don't help.
Fate series is already doing a better job than what Koei has done recently, Musou wise.
Great summary as always and thanks for being a truthful voice for Musou/hack&slash series!
Thank You!
it's like Dw9 had: Bad Combat, Bad voices,Boring open world.
and the fan responce is "We want more" I don't get it. They want more and more games regardless of quality... smh.
The 3rd party titles are the only ones I look forward to now because they at least have effort put into them. It's a shame the only main (DW) game made only for the PS4 generation was DW9 and it was awful.
@Blank Blank Fate has a musou-esque game?
There's two fate hack and slash games: 'Fate Extella' and 'Fate Extella: Link' they're both on Ps4, Pc and Switch
@@SexGravy Oh cool I'll go have a gander
'Fate Extella: Link' is really good, but the first game not so much. Might be worth it if you can get it cheap though
Like, why not make a fucking collection that ports all the old Warriors games? All those games are stuck on fucking PS2 or last last gen except for a handful of games
If they remastered DW 6 empires with a bigger roster. I'd be so happy.
Yeah :((
To be honest, I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm a bit curious to see how this game turns out, despite my opinion on DW9. Also, there's no way they would announce a Dynasty Warriors 10 before Samurai Warriors 5. Their release schedule has been consistent for quite a while now.
I agree with some of the selling points you made towards the end. I was livid when they got rid of Zhong Hui's flying swords for the sake of "realism". I wouldn't expect an English dub on an Empires game though. The last Empires game with an English dub was 6.
The thing is i feel like it is perfect for a Empires game, you can place troops or make new bases in the open world on turf that you have to bolster your defenses, if they work a bit more on a siege more for taking over turf that wouild be nice. other then that free roaming your kingdom as a ruler and seeing what your people struggle with would be nice to see if you can do something for them like increase the kingdom's happiness
TBH I'll be fine skipping DW9 empires. Standard DW9 is starting to grow on me, but DW9 system is way too of a hot mess to trust a good empires game out of it. Temco Koei should have taken the L and move on from DW9. Samurai Warriors 5 is overdue now don't y'all think.
Yeah it's strange that they haven't said anything after they teased it because Capcom teased SB5. Absolute children lol
They are actually dropping most of the engine, like the open world, for Empires
Ngl. I was expecting Dynasty Warriors 3-5 remasters for newer consoles.
I am a pretty excited for DW9E, I mostly like the character customization and things like marriage and making kids with the already made characters and created characters.
I hope that the weapons from the DW9 dlc have the weapons but I’m doubtful.
DLC from DW8:XL on PC crossed over into DW8: Empires if you owned it for the former.
Shōgun I only played DW8 Empires on the PS Vita and I had all the weapons, I also had the demo tho. So I’m not really sure what that says about weapons for DW9 Empires
@@cameronfield7313 only time will tell.
I just had to subscribe to you. Your the only one making sense nowadays when it comes to these games
Thanks Very Much!
This is what I'm afraid of. Open world is not a bad thing for DW. It just that they make a bad example out of it. It can be as good as Shadow of war/mordor or like assassins creed. I don't want them to close the door on open world, I want them ro make a better open world. But now we just scare them to try anything slightly different.
Lol were thinking a like. I just found your comment. I think if they but the effort it could be a good thing
@@reallytiredmachinist thank you! see, I'm not crazy, people!!
I kinda figured they wouldn't be able to get it to work with open world but I hope it is somewhat upgraded from 8... It'd be neat to be able to wander around the towns/cities/ castles in your kingdom and interact with your officers and such face to face. Actually go up to a blacksmith to get your weapon instead of just standing around in the throne room in menus. It'd be neat as a free officer too, to be able to encounter other free officers or kingdom aligned one that may have stuff for you or may try and get you to join them if your reputation with them is high enough. I enjoyed DW8: Empires and...well this would be the only way I'd get DW9; as an empires spinoff because the base game just...looked kinda dull. Open World without substance.
Here’s my ideas:
First. Turn based/ real time combo.
Times turns in different stages. So you have your diplomacy/setup stage, then you choose one of your locations to spawn at and begin your turn, you then have a limited amount of time to explore the local area, or move to another area. If to save processing power when travelling around it would just be your hero, any sworn sibilings present in the same area and a small unit of cavalry /retinue scouts etc. If you come to any point of interest (an opposing army, resource location, village, town or castle) a context menu appears in real time which you can perform different actions based on your current allegiance or alignment (if that’s still a thing). When the time runs out your army becomes a piece on the world map, if you are not at a friendly settlement or a laying siege your supplies go down and you are unable to spawn anywhere else next turn (for balancing). Essentially the only time the whole map is loaded is in the between turns stages, but while on your turn you are in an instanced area based on your spawn location. While dormant, or far away, the rest of the map continues making checks to see if things are happening at the end of the turn, based on the characteristics/personalities of the generals in that area (I.e Dong Zhou goes and burns a defenceless village, Xu Zhu goes to the local town to drink and Zhuge Laing goes to pray at a temple etc). All castles once taken have a stock amount of troops, but are able to reinforced and upgraded. You can also defend your settlements with any generals there, but sub generals and lieutenants too if no generals are around (possible ‘promotion’ option?)
I also thought about formations and pre battle plans becoming more interesting, like a mount and blade war band style of commanding the troops *presses button* ARCHERS FOLLOW ME!
Open world would be good with an Empires game due to how borders among the warlords worked, even if you crossed accidentally, if you where loyal to another warlord, irlt was seen as a declaration of war. It would make the Strategy phase alot more strategic
Yeah, I don't trust Koei for a second with this. I'll be watching from a distance to see how 9 Empires looks, but I am not hyped for it in the slightest. It's kinda funny that the only bit I am the least bit interested in is what the character creator will look like. Personally, I really think Koei should have left 9 in the dust and moved on to 10, but I guess they can't help but milk just about anything they make these days if it's got the Dynasty Warriors name on it.
Nice I finally caught one of your videos the day it came out. I look forward to seeing your next update on whatever it is you decide. I enjoy your commentary lol.
Thanks, I find it funny that people are in love with the character creator, but that's ripped from Nioh 2... so they didn't even make it for this game... it's like prime lazyness on Koei's part, oh well
@@SexGravy right
"I've seen so many people asking for an Empires for this game" and? You do realize most of those people wanted empires because It would have been open world and this game isn't, so it's hardly what people want. I honestly think you must be blind if you think they're doing this "for the fans" The fact that DW9 had 4 season passes all priced at the same as the game it's attached to, and Dead or Alive 6 having $100 season passes both of which have cut-content from the previous games are more than enough to show Koei Tecmo only care about milking the fanbase for it's worth. Dynasty Warriors 8 came out in 2013 and they kept using assets from it until Warriors Orochi 4 Ultimate that came out this year, do you honestly think they give a toss about making " an amazing experience" when they still haven't moved on from a game that came out 7 years ago...
@@SexGravy I don't understand how and why people like dw9 so fucking much to the point where there begging for a empire spinoff for this dog turd
@@cameronfield7313 honestly I'll be satisfied if they would just move on to 10 and forget this embarrassment sorry excuse of a 20th anniversary dynasty warriors game and look at this garbage as a lesson and a mistake that should NEVER be repeated............
honestly idc if it's open world or not i really want to play DW9:E since i played DW8:E on pc.
Well, just remember that this all started cause "dynasty warriors fans wanted something new". That's probably why we're getting all this experimentation...
Honestly, I feel like Strike Force would have worked in an open world cause at least you can basically dash and fly around. In fact DW9 could have worked in an open world if they put more for you to do and fight into it. You'd think open world could allow you to fight armies with counts into the millions or something.
I just really hope they keep areas where you can put your weapon away, and explore
No clones,No peons and no stupid AI needs to have a challenge like DW3 XL had.
An open-world like Romance of the 3 Kingdoms 13 would be cool not the OPEN world from 9.
Agreed!!
Open world would be perfect, but it would have to be as follows-
1) Placement on the world map of officers, sub officers, and recruited soldier types.
2) A heavy emphasis on a month to month (or week to week) strategy meeting in whatever home base your in (unless your rogue) to make any adjustments to events as they occur. Supplies and soldiers should be limited, based on resource pools for player and AI.
3) Detail to kingdom management (see above) on par with past RTK games (that series is all but dead, they may as well bring the mechanics over here.... Somehow Koei got it in thier heads that those who play this are mindless button mashers who cant deal with more complex tactical elements, so they always try to "dumb it down" with weird, simplified card mechanics, ect. This is a HUGE mistake. They should, as the title implies, approach this as a strategy title with action based combat elements, not the other way around.)
4) One thing that SERIOUSLY grates my nerves with DW from 6 on is that the voice acting and performances started getting worse and worse, and went from so bad it was good to so bad we cringe. Especially in 9. Sometimes, they dont even bother with english voices in these, as if people have time to read mid combat (and have to resort to strategy guides alot because they miss commanders "instructions". People can cite "budget" to defend them if they want, but heres the thing....There are FAN CHANNELS who have great voice acting on parody projects. There is good voice acting on many indy games, and I have even witnessed decent voice acting on RPG maker projects. Koei is a billion dollar company, and you mean to tell me they cant keep up with the voice talent of indie games and fan channels? No, they are being cheap and lazy, and then wonder why they are bleeding out revenue. Koei used to care about thier craft. The voice actors they had recruited had fun with the characters and made them thier own. People were excited for who they added next NOT for just name recognition, but to see how Koei would bring these characters into this semi-anime style universe they created.....THIS is thier flagship series now. They need to have more respect for thier fans, and more respect for themselves as developers, stop jerkin around, and do it RIGHT! Hell, if they MUST be cheap, they could find MUCH BETTER talent just scouting, for people who just want published work recognition to get into the VA industry. ANY passable talent I am sure they could scout if they cared, is better then the crap voices they had in 9.
But the next Empires isnt going to be open world. Maybe for the best, since I dont think current hardware would be possible to do things right with the type of open world that WOULD work. The load times alone would probably be nightmarishly slow lol.
I just want them to stop trying to make up for laziness by raking the few loyal fans they still retain over the coals with DLC. If they did the damned game with passion, gameplay, voices, and all like they USED to , they wouldnt need to milk thier few loyal fans, as they would have plenty more fans come back to the franchise.
I honestly don't know how DW9 works, but this while empires thing is not complicated man.
the button opens map.
Every X time a card is drawn onto the map, can hold X number of cards 5 would be my go-to.
Cards can be new heroes bonuses that you can pay currency to use. After x time card goes away.
Click army leader click location for him to attack. Or can tell officers to act at their own will. Anyone you're at war with they can attack.
Citys have defenders.
If all the city's for an empire are gone the leaders and heroes are removed from the world and are turned into cards to be drawn by all empires.
crossing borders without open borders agreement would cause a timer. after X time war is declared.
Diplomacy can be accessed on the map and every so often you'll get a message from an empire leader who wants to talk. access map to talk to them.
Also would like to be able to swap who I'm playing at will. Like DW5 and under when you could play as any hero in your kingdom. So basically you just pick a hero on your map and swap to. Taking control of them.
This is 1 example off the top of my head. I would think other easy ways to do this could be made into the game.
I feel like Open World Dynasty Warriors COULD work. This is coming from someone who's only played Hyrule Warriors. What they should've done is make the map smaller and denser, rather than big and having nothing in it. Make it feel like an actual warzone, with enemies and allies littering every inch of the map... Unless that'd take a toll on the engine.
I am sticking to ROTK XIII & XIV tbh. Dynasty Warriors has fallen off the wagon for me.
Who is kizuna?
I’ve honestly not played a DW game since DW2 and have no idea where the story has got to
To me that’s why DW9 failed. The world is literally just centered on you and nothing happens with anyone else, I found it so stupid, the battles should evolve in a certain way all in real time
Why wont they allow us custom characters and bodyguards anymore?
*I couldn't agree more with everything you said* 👍
To me, scaling down the open world aspect makes more sense from a technical standpoint because Empires games are never really built with intense processing power in mind. As such, rendering ask that in real time would easily break the game even in newer hardware. So instead of relying on open world systems, they should've instead used an active battle system that divides the map into sections. They also double down on their RPG mechanics and just go buck wild with that by adding economics and NPC dynamics
They should make more hyperthetical stages and u unlock old character looks and weapon/abilities whilst playing through them so u can choose which musuo attack u want to use from any game or any combo attacks u like but u unlock them depending on what difficulty u play on
Why are we still on this game? Did Koei already forget about the bitch fest and/or backlash received when the game came out? Personally, I want Samurai Warriors 5 already. SoS had good story even if it was only focused mainly on the Sanada clan.
I’ve never been one for strategy games but I can see the appeal in them. Namely the Total War games. Never played an Empires game but it has similar concepts with different executions. I don’t care for DW9 but I don’t see how an Empires game with open world fits together. The only way I can think of at the moment is you’d have to section off parts of the map and as your progress through your campaign, you unlock more parts of the map to explore. It’s how I wanted DW9 to be initially when they pushed for open world. Speaking of, Koei LOVES to push that with DW9. All the trailers for this new stuff seem grandiose when it comes to open world but in reality it has Jack shit. Maybe apart from side quests, but you can’t really take in battles like you did previously because instead of being one chunk of an area, now it’s the whole map. I found battles to be less memorable unless there were cutscenes involved, but I digress.
One thing I wished for when it came to the Warriors games was more of an emphasis on strategy and placement. Mainly for DW/SW. Because one thing I really liked that SW4 introduced were the flag bearers. I want a system like that but also include the Morale system.
In many games, morale is usually a passive system. It doesn’t have much effect on you or the enemy (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). If we were to throw empires in the mix, I want a more in depth version of this and strategies. That is to say, you can be a one man army but it’s also beneficial if you think ahead first. When it comes to morale, introduce a level system for you and the opposing force that caps after a certain number (let’s say level 5 in this instance). With each new level, you and your entire force gain benefits that can help turn the tide of battle. You can of course disrupt this for the opposing by doing things that can lower their level (defeating a set number of officers, burning supplies, etc.). Lower levels can give you small buffs whereas higher ones give you more rare ones, stat increases when you’re in your territory and chances to initiate grand strategies. Or something like that. Morale is really underutilized and could really be a way to fix the lack of tactical actions in Musou games.
As for strategies, deploy certain troops or scout ahead to devise traps around the map, leading enemies into them would raise your morale and such. Or be the commander of a horse unit and lead you and your officers you break through a siege. Basically, I want more interactions in these games but with strategy thrown into the mix. And what happens when you start to get overwhelmed by the enemy? One other thing that SW4 introduced were buffs that you can activate in the field, ranging from food to character specific buffs. You could probably include this as a means to keep your morale in stasis to prevent it from dropping, or raise it for more effects. So if you were about to be defeated but your morale is high enough, you can respawn in the main camp without getting a game over, but only once or twice.
Now I’m just rambling. I realize this might take a lot of effort to program all these conditions on top of the ones needed for scripted events in battles. The mobile game looks eh, don’t know why Koei decided to shill this one after how Godseekers went
I'm not excited for Dynasty Warriors 9 Empires, because I fucking guarantee you Koei will sell $500 DLCs for that game, which 95% of them are DLCs from the vanilla game being resold. Koei has been abysmal with their DLC practices.
why do you hate Xiahou Ji?
finally.... good old limited dynasty warriors... not every fucking game has to be open world imo
I'm actually happy that dw9 empire doesn't have open world because I always fucking hated it because everything was always fucking stretched out and the environment is soo bland and empty that "open world" concept feels like complete bullshit
The only Empires games that i've played that I enjoyed was 4,5,6 Empires. I play 8 Empires for about 1 hour before getting bored and I played SW4 Empires for like half a hour.
I'm not going to lie, dw9 has in my opinion the greatest combat of any dw game, especially after the updates.(I really miss weapon switching though). But a great musou game is more than just good combat, which is why games like hyrule warriors have been received so well. The combat is about the only compliment I can give dw9
So if empires can give us stage design on par with dw7 and 8
I think this game COULD be pretty great
You're making it sound like it would be much harder to make Empires open world than it actually would be. It's very simple. In many Musou games, you can access orders through the pause menu (ordering an allied unit to attack, move, defend an outpost, etc). All they would have to do is give the player move orders in DW9, and give each officer unique tactics (charge, fire attack, boost morale, etc) when reaching their destination. Each era in DW9E would have a limited number of officers, a capital city (which serves as a respawn point), and a limited number of respawns. The objective would be to unite the land in every era. As far as domestics go, they could be simple radiant missions like DW9 already has, but expanded, and carrying them out would give your forces boons. Failing them would give your forces penalties. Certain officers may have unique tactics tied to domestics, which would grant further bonuses. In an open world Empires, further things could be added like assassination missions, pirating missions, cutting of enemy supply routes, etc, etc.
These are the reasons why so many ppl say open world is perfect for Empires. The reason they never explain why, is because it's kinda obvious when you think about it. You don't need turn-based. Just a pause menu and more commands/content. Your attitude is a bit pretentious in this vid. If that many people are saying open world is perfect for Empires, they can't all be wrong. And you can't be the only person in the world that's right.
Thanks for the heads up though. I definitely won't be getting DW9E now, since they decided to go with the boring tried-and-true formula, once again, instead of making the game how everyone expected... Once again. I bet there will be content locked behind season passes and dlc too, including movesets, music, outfits, scenarios and difficulty settings..... Once again. Koei has really gone to ****.
"You're making it sound like it would be much harder to make Empires open world than it actually would be." So why isn't it open world then? and you even say aknowledge Koei are lazy.. so is it hard for them to make it open world or not?
Literally never said I was "the only person that's right" I made this video because no-one explained why Open world would be good, which is something I don't agree with, so I gave my reasons why it won't be open world, which admittedly could have been reduced to "Koei are lazy"
If Lian Shi got her her crossbow back I’d like the deer antlers to go to Fa Zheng... or maybe someone else. Fa Zhengs original weapon was a cloth. Enough said. Plus the deer antlers were a great fun weapon, but I’m cool with lian shi has crossbow, preferably dual crossbows
anyone knows the new release date after they pushed it back?
It would be disappointing if DW9 Empires will not have an open world but if Koei Tecmo feels that that’s what would hold the game back then so be it. Experimenting with an open world wasn’t a bad idea in DW9 but it was poorly executed as the world of China was pretty much bland and meh. Tbh I still go back to play DW9 for the story and the characters. I just hope DW9 Empires will be at least a better game than its predecessor from 2018.
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what the fuck is happening to the clouds lol
The games have lost a bit of charm but in a perfect world where I could have whatever I wanted I would suggest the following:
I agree that if they do ditch the open world then there should be a town roaming part of the game and that’s where you recruit people and get weapons and the such.
I think they need to add a little bit more to raids. Like if they simple made 3 small maps that you cycle through for raids that be enough for me.
The way of life and virtue thing needs to tweaked imo. I think the fame system worked better than those. Alternatively they could mix them.
My favorite empires is 5 and I think some of the things from five should come back. Like special battles. In 5 they were pretty easy to trigger and quite fun. Now I feel like they aren’t. Like for example you can’t play as sun jian in hulao gate. You can’t even be in yuan shaos faction for guandu much less play as him. You can’t replace generics with caws or they won’t trigger. There’s no little cutscene before or after a special battle and they’re just hard to trigger even when playing in the scenario that it’s supposed to happen in.
More cutscenes! Seven had a lot but even actual cg movies like 5 had would be awesome.
Someone in another comment also said that the emperor of Han should be a character and game mechanic. I absolutely agree with this. His proposal is fantastic. But even just like how 5 did it where the emperor would name you governor, duke and king until you actually ascended the throne would be fine. But something more complex would be awesome it be cool like if they used actual historical titles like maybe when you kill lots of bandits. You get a message from the emperor saying he names you general who attacks bandits and then gives you money and free troops or something.
The weapons not being dlc would be nice.
English dub
And so many little things lol
I used to fall asleep playing DW9, I'm waiting for Dw9 empires
In terms of how you do the open world, it could be done in a similar way to Bladestorm. Hopefully better than that game, but at least similar to it.
I wont be buying 9 empires. when you dont enjoy a game on a fundamental level adding some new lipstick wont make it any less ugly
What a waste. While under-utilized it was the best feature this series has had in ages. I hope they give us Lu Lingqi's black armor back though. Her white armor did not look nearly as good.
"best feature" lmao
You weren't happy about dynasty warriors mobile, that was the main focus of the 20th anniversary! Couldn't you tell?
I think dyansty warriors 9 was maybe too ambitious and this was their first time trying open world.
No, because Dragon Quest Heroes 2 and Toukiden 2both have open world, so it's not their first try.
I want a remastered for Dynasty Warriors 6 Empires because they missed out a ton of characters in the roster.. Also Dynasty Warriors 7 and 8 Empires need a English Dubbed plus I missed the whole Defect thing from 6 Empires which should return for 9 Empires.. plus I also miss the dueling part back in Dynasty Warriors 4..
Currently enjoying 6 empires right now, but everytime I see a generic npc that is now a playable character I just wanna play as them.
Also the caws in this game obvs are pretty outdated now
@@Darkheart1413 yeah I agree with you there..
Before even watching the entire video. The reason 9 empires is not open world is because it ran like shit. And Sure some patches may of made it "better" but it still ran like shit and anyone who says differently needs to get their eyes checked. And the character models looked like utter horseshit as well.
The game ran fine on ps4 pro. Its just a shit game in general
Hear me out. A dynasty warriors game with AC Valhalla or Shadows of Mordor combat.
are they going back to their roots finally? or will this just be another letdown like 9 was. guess we will see.
I think semi open world would be cood what i mean by that is Main hub Area in the Province to Explopre or see the things you build that why i think open world would be good for DW Empires games
We had the hub, it was called strike force and it was on psp and it was cool .
How bout get rid of the fucking grappling hook.
There’s smth I don’t get about the fans, why are they excited for this game while at the same time don’t like dw9? The fact that they’re more excited for dw9e than age of calamity is laughable. They also have wishes that’ll never happen like decloning every character. Only lu bu, dlc weapon users, and maybe the new character won’t be clones. I’ll still pick up dw9e, but I’ll be waiting for a price drop.
Because the open world was shit. Empires got rid of the open world. More reason to be excited.
only interested in the game if it IS INDEED open world. dont care if you like it or not.
I’ve played every Empires game that’s been released, and I’m fine with 9 Empires not being open world.
What I want isn’t really too hard:
1. Smarter AI. Chaos mode just makes enemies Musou more often, pretty much. I find myself booting up my ps2 to play Dynasty Warriors 2 to actually get a challenge.
2. More in-depth character creation. 8 Empires had good options, but I’m hoping for more traditional clothes and options.
Probably gonna add more as I think of them.
Don’t get why idiots are hyping up the game , are we going to pretend Warrior Orochi 4 ultimate was one of the best musou games when it was bang average? DW9E will probably be average or worst at best.
Because "Warriors" fans will buy anything with "warriors" attached to the title. The fanbase is fucked.
The only good thing about DW9 is the easy platinum trophy.
open world, OPEN WORLD, instead of announcing a DW10 instead they announce DW9 empires vanilla DW9 already sucked and yet they're still trying to milk the series out of desperation. for those of you who are more than happy to have a DW9 empires then more power to you, but for me personally, i really dont like it and i would rather have a remastered DW3-5 or DW10
Empire usually fixes what ever they broke in the main game.
@@supersasukemaniac how?
I think I enjoyed DW9 more than most did but it's not exactly the greatest game. Like fucking hell I'm not going to defend it lol
Finally someone who agrees with me that Lianshi should get her crossbow back, i really love that weapon and it fits her very well in my opinion.
It was such a stupid change, in Koei's own words they made her to be more matture and gave her the crossbow because of her "lack of training", then they give her a moveset that's the total opposite
I would guess that open world might work with hybrid of real time and turn based where real time happens when war is declared so the AI changes priorities because of situation. One turn can be then divided for battle duration like 10-20 minutes. Exploring could then be divided with same mind set if we think something like RotK series like using a turn to check some location. Soloing part of the game should then be divided to missions that mostly leads toward to making own kingdom or joining one.
Just throwing thoughts nothing more. I just hope that the DW9 empires would be good and it would have a demo. Empires is my favorite part of the DW series and I have used quite a bit of time to those. Sadly though the strategy part or weighing options is not that crucial in newer installments because of how easy he difficulty is.
I didn't buy 9 and I'm not going to buy this crap either
I just gotta ask, what exactly is this game's draw?
So, they are essentially cutting the open world, which i agree one hundred percent it was AWFUL, but....it was the CORE gameplay mechanic of DW9. Most of the gameplay mechanics revolved around it. So, by cutting your core game mechanic away......what the heck is left? What makes this worth having over dw8 empires?
They've already reverted most of the weapons back to clones, with only some of them coming back as PAID dlc.....so, what the heck is the draw here? A game with far fewer weapons from its previous installments, with gameplay mechanics geared towards a crappy open world.....with no open world?
My brain hurts.....
It's there to milk gulible fans I guess lol
@@SexGravy this one should've just stayed buried >< I actually think this game is just going to hurt Koei's reputation more, by bringing this back outta the closet
It might do, but then there's people that think DW9 is the best in the series for some reason, even though it's nothing like the games that got those people into the series in the first place. It's bizarre
@@SexGravy i really don't believe those people exist. I think its more that there are hipsters in the world, who just want to always be the odd ones out. No matter the situation.
I mean...you have to be in order to like this the most...
seven deadly sins
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I didnt understand the open world it is AWESOME to explorer but to lose all the territory you control just killed it for me
Add Kasumi from Dead or Alive as a special guest character. Then I will buy this game. Otherwise, I'm not opening my wallet.
I saw the trainwreck that DW9 was and thankfully didn't buy it. Tried the free trial last year and it looked better than vanilla, but still bad.
I am glad they are removing the open world, but they need to go back to the old combat system as well. I was not impressed by the square spammage in DW9.
Dynasty 5 empire is best.
Meh I’m not a fan of the empires games
dynasty warriors 9 is playstations hits... lmao
Well it won’t be open world anyway so that’s good, hopefully it’s similar to the SW empires games.
If they make it play like hyrule warriors 2 then it should be ok. I still dont like the combat of 9 in comparison tho
Let's see you make a better game???
Ah yes the typical responce from someone that can't argue against anything.
By your logic I can't say any food is bad because i'm not a chef. Twat
@@SexGravy you'll have to cook for yourself and watch food network
Maybe if they added in more stuff dynasty warriors 9 was a disaster
Because OW is shit on Dynasty Warriors.. almost killed the main franchise
Just make the mew dynasty warrior online for pc