What is a Ruckmanite and Why You Shouldn't Be One - The Most Extreme King James Onlyists
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- You have probably heard the term, but you may not be familiar with what it means. If you were raised in the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist movement or if you are familiar with the King James Only movement, then you are likely to have, at least, heard the terms Ruckmanite or Ruckmanism. But what is it exactly?
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Wait. Are we talking about Peter Ruckman or L. Ron Hubbard?
The KJV is an “English” translation of the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.
This shouldn't be a thing that needs to be said but some KJVO positions make us have to state even stuff as basic as this. Lol
I'm a member of an independent Baptist church. I would actually say We are "unaffilliated" Baptists. We only use the KJV. But we ain't Ruckmanites. He wasn't right in my opinion. We ain't a Hyles church. We ain't Calvanist. We Love God.We love the Church. We Love the Word of God.
Hang in there Brother.
But I hope you don't condemn fellow believers whose preference is not KJV. I've been talked down on many of them who told me I am going to hell because it is not my preference.
The mythology with Ruckmanites is epic!
I thought I would make a similar arguement/tract that I've seen the KJVonlyists do and post it. It is purely entertainment and the statements are not accurate, but who cares right.
(Justifying the Tyndale New Testament over the Authorized Version.)
1. Tyndale died for that translation, the kjv translators didn't.
2. Tyndale did his amongst persecution and the kjv was authorized by a king(the world).
3. Tyndale was a single man who could truly be inspired by the Holy Ghost while the fact that there were so many kjv translators proved that they were translating by the will of man because the translation had to go through so many fact checks. In the Bible, often times God worked through a single prophet at a time when giving His word, this justifies a single man like Tyndale rather than 40+ men
4. In the preface the kjv translators referenced early church fathers who held "heretical" views, they referenced Jerome a lot who was catholic i believe.
5. The kjv came out because of politics, and truce between puritans and papists, between the geneva and bishops bible, proof the motive wasn't pure.
6......
See how easy it is to make stuff up and state it as a fact. I could probably keep going but typed this in a couple of minutes just to prove how easy it is to throw out slanderous accusations without proof, and to make up conspiracies.
And this is the difference between Ruckmanism and Riplingerism. Riplingerism considers the KJV a result of gradual purification, while Ruckmanism considers it brand-new revelation. Both are heresies, because they imply that God couldn't preserve his word for 1500 years.
what’s heretical about believing only the KJB as an English speaker? Why would I believe a text in another language i’m not fluent in? Sounds like a recipe for believing false doctrine.
@@MatthewC1128 You basically say that the Bible didn't exist for 1500 years and God couldn't preserve his word so he had to give it again in 1611.
Or that God couldn't guide other translations
Now I know I was involved in a conversation with a Ruckmanite because they were so hard-core KJV-only that they were calling me a liar when I mentioned the original languages.
2,869 times?!?!? I’ll have to check the transcripts…….seems you’re missing a few. 😂😂😂
As always, great content and presentation. Thanks Doc!
Yeah ruckmans views were strange i see some preachers on youtube preaching it and it goes way beyond what the bible is saying. Thanks for a informative video!
I’ve got the admittedly dumbest question ever. I know that “likes” and I think “shares” affect the algorithm but what about comments? Sometimes I comment even if I have nothing truly beneficial to say in hopes that the number of comments may indeed contribute to pushing the video out. Can you tell me whether or not that’s the case? I can either add some non-contributing verbiage or spare you. 😊Once again you have been frank without crossing the line to mean. That’s important. Well done.
I believe comments do too. It's part of what is termed "engagement". So UA-cam sees more comments and says "ohpeople are really engaging with this video. We'll recommend it and this channel more!"
It definitely does. Even if your comment were to be 'I hate everything you stand for and hope your channel gets deleted', UA-cam interprets that as a positive. They want you spending time on the platform, and comments are one measure of that.
First, thank you VERY much, Pastor Jonathan, for this video! I really appreciated the little bits-and-bobs you had inserted from various old movies, making the points of your message a bit more relevant - hammering them home, as it were.” (“Surely, you can’t be serious!” “I am serious. And DON’T call me ‘Shirley!” - or that last one from “indigo Montoya:” “Let me explain! … No, there’s no time. Let me sum up: …”). 😂👏🏻 Great use of some humor to help drive the points.
I don’t remember if it was one of your videos (I may have copied the URL somewhere) but I saw that mostly in the KJV and NKJV, the word in Isaiah 49:24-25 they translate as “…prey of the terrible…” is actually different in a number of other versions, old and new: It is rendered as “…prey of the tyrant…” in (for example) the ESV, RSV, but also 1599 Geneva Bible (much preferred by commoners of the day, as I understand it), and in Wycliffe’s version from before the KJV. (Perhaps also in Tyndale’s but I don’t have that version’s name on hand.) King James just couldn’t have THAT word in there, so the translators may have said, “Yes, Your Majesty” and done their best to come up with a “faithful” rendition of the word. 🤷🏻
It makes me sad, in a way, that we “Christians’ are arguing about such less-than-first-priority issues such as words, or style of language, coming close to what the Lord outlined to the Apostle Paul in 2 Timothy 2:23-26. For me, I don’t see why I have to read, or even listen to the Bible being read in a more poetic / antiquated form of English. (Personally, I could read it in German and still get something out of it.) The fact that I am READING and STUDYING the Word of God is what is important. And the “first-priority” issue to which I alluded earlier in this paragraph would be: That God the Father sent God the Son to inhabit the physical body we have come to know as Jesus of Nazareth, who was our sacrifice for all our sins, and not ours only but the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:1-3)
Tyndale died before he could translate Isaiah.
@@fnjesusfreak Thank you for the info.
1 John 2:1-3 is in context with Israel's doctrine of the whole earth will be blessed through Israel. They will be a kingdom of Priests on earth.
It isn't according to Paul's doctrine for the Body of Christ Church. In fact, the Body of Christ Church was one of the hidden secrets (never revealed in Israel's Scripture before it was revealed to Paul), that had Satan known, he never would have crucified Christ in the first place.
I guess you'd have to be a Dispensationalist to believe all of Scripture, and for it all to make sense.
Thus the inquisition continues with these petty squabbling amongst other brothers and sisters instead of focusing on why we are Christians in the first place. We are here to share the gospel to the world, how can we do that when we worry about what right words are what? This is why the Vatican enforced what the Sanhedrin started. Your even going as far as talking poorly about others. Be it true or not, when we do that, we are no better than those whom we talk bad about. This is not good Godly behavior. This isn't edifying or uplifting or pleasant. Aren't we supposed to be focusing on God and his kingdom?
Ruckman taught another gospel. Accordingly, Ruckman and all that believe his teachings believe another gospel. If anybody teach or preach another gospel they are accursed. Ruckman and Ruckmanites are accursed.
He used the N-word often and denigrated what he thought was an inferior race of people.
He sure did.
Dr Ruckman ordained a black preacher while his black pastor preached the charge at Dr Ruckman's church
@@willa9476 True - but why did he have to use the N_WORD soooooo much??? Can't have it both ways. Peter S. Ruckman, just lacked control over his own tongue. Multiple marriages, how was he qualified to be a Pastor of a Church? Multiple forms of dispensational salvation?? Moving Matthew, Hebrews and the General Epistles to the Jews in the tribulation? Please get as second opinion with his dispensational structure. I know Ruckmanites are believers, but please allow the Holy Spirit to direct your Pastor.
Interestingly, the first person that I heard about Ruckman was from a Black Preacher. Not relevant to whether the King James Version is or isn't perfect.
@@matthewj2492Several of us have visited a prison ministry while Dr. Ruckman used every racial slur in a prison chapel full of every ethnicity. What happened every times? Laughter and a full alter call.
I have personally seen Ruckman's racism and Nazi sympathies. I have seen first hand the harm he and his students have done to the gospel in the Pensacola area. He was a despicable man, and his legacy continues to harm.
Prove it, otherwise it's false accusations and unbecoming on how to treat a brother in christ. Sin lays at your doorstep.
Sounds like NAR stuff.
Great video Pastor. The Lord regenerated me on 11/2/2022 and for some reason I immediately fell into the IFB and Peter Ruckman and his ilk. I spent hundreds of hours studying and being indoctrinated. Granted, we can all agree on certain things yet Ruckman and his ilk have some really far out there theories insomuch that some of his students have distanced themselves from certain teachings. Anyway, praise God that He pulled me out of there on July 4 2023. Keep up the amazing work Pastor.
If you read your Bible, you won't be a Follower of Ruckman.. Ruckman said that KJV is better than originals? Without Original writings , there's no KJV.. The writers of false doctrines too.
While at Bible College in the 1970s we had a discussion between classes about different versions of the bible with Ruckmanite student followers. One said that the KJV was the only inspired translation of God's word, all others translations were false. One of the bible students spoke up and asked the ruckmanites saying I was saved thru the Good news for Modern man. Does that make my salvation 2nd class to yours? You could have hear crickets. That day changed my viewpoint from my upbringing in a KJVO baptist church to view other translations as being worthy of use to reach the lost. I favor the ESV today
Ruckman pales in comparison to Jack Hyles.
You should try stand up comedy 😂😂😂
When you threw in the water in Adam's veins at first, I thought you made it up. But then I thought I need to google this as it could be believed to be said by Ruckman. Sure, enough he did say it! Never a day goes by that I am surprised at some new outlandish thing he said.
Is it true that Ruckman was a racist heretic?
Yes Sir
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Robert Breaker is the poster boy for the Ruckmanites. Peter Ruckman was a cult leader.
@@JustTheGuy37 Robert Breaker isn’t an infallible teacher. Just Google him, Mr. Know It All.
Interesting. I've not come across this conversation before. But here's the thing. No human language is perfect. All our languages are as a result of God deliberately confusing language ( Babel). Keep Christ (truth) in your heart, and pray that you can make some sense of what the Bible writers are trying to convey. No dogma, please.
Hello,
When it comes to cases like Ruckman I feel it’s important to put him in his proper context:
1. Ruckman’s view of the KJV does not represent every Baptist Church or KJV only church.
2. Never throw out the baby with the bath water. Ruckman’s teaching on one NOT being able to lose their salvation is one of the best I’ve ever heard.
3. It’s perfectly fine to point out where he’s doctrinally wrong, and those who are attacking you for that (even though they disagree with you) are actually harming Ruckman’s legacy by acting like cult members. We can disagree, but we battle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and the rulers of darkness. Once anyone takes aim at a person they out of touch with the spiritual fight.
4. Some of Ruckman’s crazy views might not end up looking so crazy in the years to come. We shall see. I’ll never buy that we’ll all have male bodies as Christ said in the gospels that there is neither male or female in Heaven. I can’t indulge his racist statement against people of color for a minute. But some of the other crazy things may or may not look crazy depending on how this world goes in the years to come. We’ll see.
In the end, so long as you speak the truth in love you’ll stand before our Lord and hear good and faithful servant. I humbly disagree with you on minor points, but I don’t for a minute believe your heart is anything other than to help others. As a Christian community we need to recognize the fight is against the spiritual armies of darkness and not against other people.
To the followers of Ruckman, make logical points refuting his claims but don’t attack Jonathan Burris. He’s not a wicked person, and where I disagree with him on some issues, he’s trying to bring God’s truth to others as he understands it. If you have issues with his doctrine, refute that without attacking the man.
I appreciate the maturity brother!
I remember him being at my church speaking several times when I was a kid.
God forgive me, but when I hear Bob Jones Univercity, my hackles go up. I was forced to study their highschool text books, and even worse, see their horrific version of Macbeth. Also, a friend of mine, who was from Korea, was given a list of others like himself with whom he could associate wre he to attend that college. Thankfully, he did not, and is now the owner of his own physics lab.
I really thought I was over my victrial over BJU, but it looks like I'm not. I have heard that people who are of different skin shades can date now. Btw, since I'm whiter than white, I guess I couldn't have ever dated anyone there even if they were white. :-)
Now that I've spewed some unforeseen venom, I'll get back to the real purpose of this youtube post of yours.
peace
MPR
The Holy Spirit will lead you into (all) truth. (If so, the spirit of God dwelleth in you.)
Pastor Burris, God keeps bringing me back to your web pages because of your great courage in following your Lord. I am sure you have better things to do, but if you have the time I would covet your comments on my comments about the Alistair Begg story. Here is what I said:
WAS ALISTAIR BEGG RIGHT THE FIRST TIME?
Alistair Begg has a church member who was the grandmother of a transgender person who was getting married.
Begg gave the grandmother this advice: Assuming you have rightly stated to your granddaughter God's and your position on the matter then you can attend the wedding and even bring a gift.
Keep in mind that my personal position is thoroughly that homosexual behavior violates God's law, particularly when one is talking about gay marriage.
When this story first broke I was among the first jerks to knee jerk that Begg should not have told the woman she could go and add insult to injury by bringing a gift.
But was not Begg right in his advice like Jesus appears to be in Matthew 9:9-13? Remember also that Begg is a pastor. So many of his critics could not hold down a pastorate to save their life. Think Jonathan Edwards.
Matthew has just been called as a disciple and wishing to spread the good news of the gospel, invites Jesus to his house. Immediately the Pharisees disapprove of Jesus' behavior. Are Begg's critics suggesting that Jesus went to Matthew's house with the intent to show honor or to adopt the sinful sexual and business practices of Matthew's friends? Obviously no to all of the above.
Note that Begg was careful to ask the woman if she had properly voiced her opposition to trans marriage and she said she had. Begg then suggested she bring a gift to show that Christians were not heartless toward gay people.
The Matthew 9 passage teaches us, inter alia, that Christians must go where the lost are if we are to reach them. We are to "seek and to save". Quickie Bible study group prayers do not do the trick. As one street preacher put it, we must be willing to get our hands dirty. And no, this grandmother was not having the affect on the lost that Jesus did at Matthew's house. Yet by her presence at the wedding she may have been the only sermon these people would see for a long time if ever.
Anyway there it is. These comments are here to provoke constructive and meaningful discussion about how close we should get to the lost in trying to reach them for the Gospel. My studied opinion is that the Begg case is a blown call. But I do not think there will be a mad scramble to publicly repent and apologize for any grief the critics have dropped on Begg. Such things seldom happen in this fallen world even among the Redeemed.
1. If the King James Bible was good enough for Peter Ruckman, then that's good enough for Sam Gipp. Why, you could even say that Ruckman won one for 'the Gipper.'
2. Peter Ruckman appears to put a different twist on double inspiration than does Roy Bell:
- Whereas -
A. Bell says both (1) the original Hebrew & Greek Bible and (2) the English 1611 AV King James Bible are inspired,
- to the contrary -
B. Ruckman says that the original Hebrew & Greek Bible is not inspired, but unbeknownst to the original KJV translators, (1) the 1611 AV was the first Bible inspired by the Holy Spirit, the knowledge of which (2) only became revealed three centuries later in the 20th century through the prophetic inspiration of Peter Ruckman.
3. Peter Ruckman at 9:20-24: "The Greek text is the hallucination of a junkie on crack."
Response: Somehow, I just don't think that was what Paul was referring to in 2 Corinthians 2:12 (KJV):
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
4. Peter Ruckman at 11:54 - 12:06: "Any advanced revelations given by the Holy Spirit are always revealed first from the King's English as the authoritative standard for truth in the universal language of the end times."
Response: This is not revealed anywhere in the 1611 AV, so I assume this statement belongs to Ruckman's office of 20th century prophetic inspiration. What a guy ... he had both the past and the future covered.
5. Pastor Burriss at 14:33-40: "Over the last five months, I've had Ruckmanite after Ruckmanite question my salvation for rejecting their position."
Response: That's a new one on me. I've heard of 'justification by faith alone' when Martin Luther in his 1522 German translation of the New Testament added the word 'alone' (Allein) to Romans 3:28 to read "For we hold that a man is justified by faith 'alone' (Allein)." But for the IFB to insist on 'justification by KJV alone'?
6. Pastor Burriss at 14:41-50: "Even Brother Roy Bell, who holds a great affinity for Peter Ruckman, told me last weekend that I'll give an account at the judgment seat of Christ for attacking the Word of God."
Response: Well Brother Roy, we'll all have to give an account for ourselves at the judgment seat of Christ, but I am grateful that at least you have not declared Pastor Burriss ANATHEMA ... yet.
I've actually heard quite often of people questioning the salvation of those who do not hold to the KJV alone, and some even question the salvation of people who were brought to Jesus with a translation other than the KJV!
Would that include non-English speakers?
yea, for a bunch of anti-Pentecostals these IFB KJV Onlyists have more "new revelation" type prophetic words/teachings than I've ever experienced in any Pentecostal church. It's quite ironic if you ask me.
KJV Onlironic?
@@annakimborahpa In Gippism, it is necessary to learn English before hearing the Gospel so that it can be from the KJV!
Yes i do believe kjv and ruchman kind of a nut job
I'm so glad we found the original KJV Biblical manucripts in the Dead Sea Scrolls 😂. We've fallen so far from THE language of choice with our modern American English, Australian, and modern UK dialects. I heard Hebrew and Greek are derivatives of King James English 😂😂😂
While Ruckman's worshipers are the most extreme KJO believers, ANY flavor of KJVO is bad theology. And the way they manage to deflect pesky facts and scripture which points out the error of their position is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
Thank you for clarifying this for me i fell into that "KJV only" trap for a while but didn't quite understand why well that at least it entailed at least any version after that like nkjv etc.
...Back when the mandela effect was in the news some even said that satan and the enemy camp had actually changed scripture in Isaiah 11:6 from lion to wolf even in the kjv and deep down i knew God would never allow that despite the fact i do believe a lot of "conspiracy theories" as related to end times eschatology...
Then another question would be what about the homosexual agenda of producing a queen james version and i answer my own question probably I haven't seen it yet!
Anderson teaches that all homosexuals are reprobates and can't be saved and they are the only reprobates there are as a whole and i sure as heck know many gay ppl get saved so imo he's always been to me to be avoided.
Im trying to learn about hyper dispensationalism well what it means exactly and from my learnings I've seen i was sort of wrong there too and need correction thru hearing other pastors online such as Gene Kim Robert Breaker and even televangelist Les Feldick and how Church began with Paul of course he is our apostle but not founder of the Church but I didn't know that's included in their belief and i know certain books were meant for others of course 2 Timothy 3:16 but didn't know of the Matthew Hebrews argument which I'm now learning about.
So what then is a dispensationalist because i always thought that's what i was every 1000 years a new one starts ending with the last one being Christ's reign on earth.
I know the Holy Spirit will lead me to all truth sure am going down a bunch of rabbit holes in the process though but want to get it right as thorough as possible at least and sure glad the issue of Believe the Gospel is cemented 1CORINTHIANS 15:1-4 John 3:16
...not a worker here ✝️
Will stay tuned, thank you.
Ruckman is crazy
This has got to be one of the best videos. I am watching with anticipation.🤔👍
Does the KJV contain the word of God or is it the inspired word of God?
It does not contain, it is the word of God, but the translation itself is not inspired.
Awesome job! Thank you!
This was some new info for me, so thx for documenting it well. Ruckman was clearly as deluded as Joseph Smith.
Goodness! The Apostle Paul may have had scribes who he dictated to & maybe other authors of the NT did, also; but there’s no way anyone can convince me the KJB translators were inspired by God & no one else was (including authors of NT). I guess Ruckman never read the Preface of the KJB. Thank you for this indepth on Peter Ruckman. All will be judged by God, not by “Brother Roy”; and since you are exhorting people to prove all things while upholding the Bible as inspired by God, you are in the right according to scripture.
Ruckman was a nut job. The 1611 is great, but it's outdated for the modern person. There's nothing wrong with the ESV or NKJV.
He once said, "if the original Greek and Hebrew contradict the KJV, throw out the original Greek & Hebrew!"
Sounds like Dr. Ruckman spoke as one having the authority of an apostle.
Actually, more, since he rejected what they wrote.
Jesus praised the church in Ephesus for having tested (KJV "tried") such folk (Revelation 2:2).
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I use the KJV and also the Hebrew and Greek text, I also use NKJV
I am TR Only. I use the MEV so I can understand the KJV more.
I read that ruckman had a mistress that he supported at the same time preaching
Hahahaha😂😂😂😂😂😂. I hope you get a lot of views on this one. You need them 👍
Hope so!
The big issue i have with so many versions is how they support the calvinism garbage, they do distort so much in scripture
Examples?
Thank you for this enlightening teaching!
They are KJV Onlyist They are KJC - King Jimmy Crazy.
I've been to their Church Once, The Pastor Shouted in the Pulpit
"They are Wrong cause their Bible isnt King James"
and his Closing Prayer:
"Lord Thank You that our Church has the Perfect Bible the King James, not like any other Churches
Using Corrupt versions."
Wow....
This is great! Thank you for your video.
Did you ever meet Dr. Ruckman?
The Face of Clerical Fascism in America along with Gerald L K Smith
I read the KJV but it sounds like this man Ruckman was truly deceived
I was in an IFB church after being saved. I enjoyed it and I learnt a lot. It was KJVO. I had a very strong and mature Christian friend who would recommend I find another ‘church’ as the one I was attended was very legalistic.
Anyway, I am with another IFB church but they use the NKJV! I didn’t think it was possible. With that said, periodically, and at least once every year, I struggle with not using the KJV. Once that is inside your head, it is hard to truly get out. Intellectually you know it isn’t right, but there is a subconscience undertow that always seems to creep up. My carry with me everywhere Bible is a NKJV so the church was a right fit. I have approx. 42 others, so I reference them all (except NIV.. haha that one I cannot get comfortable with given the hate for it that I was indoctrinated with ).. I digress. I am glad I attend an IFB church that is not KJVO.
I don't think saying that holding to the KJV-only position means you are a Ruckmanite. As a KJV-onlyist, I reject Ruckman and his teachings. Thinking the KJV is a perfect translation is not the same as believing it corrected the original texts.
i guess i'm a ruckmanite because i only believe in the king James Bible and that it is The Perfect Word Of God without error.
When you say "only" what do you believe about other translations of the Bible?
Is it inspired or is it perfectly preserved? Is the Bible Perfect? What Do We Mean By Perfect?
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@@4jgarner every other version is a perversion. Go compare the words from the different versions to the King James Bible, why so many changes why update something that needs no update. for comparing different versions read this book New Age Bible Version by G.A. Riplinger and don't take their word for it open up the different bible versions and compare them to the King James Bible. There are no original Greek autographs they don't exists.
@@JustTheGuy37, you keep saying it, but how do you know? By what standard is the KJV word perfect and the Geneva, Coverdale, Great, and Matthews Bible impure? Which KJV is word perfect? HOW DO YOU KNOW?
@@JustTheGuy37 once again, you demonstrate that you have no earthly idea what you are talking about. You have simply repeated what someone else told you.
Defining Textual Criticism Terms, Alexandrian vs Byzantine, Majority Text, TR, Critical Text
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Not a Ruckmanite, and I appreciate you calling out his weirdness. He’s like a caricature of the KJV position. But I don’t know how you can say that both the KJV and some modern versions are both the perfect word of God. They say very different things in many places, and don’t even contain all of the same verses.
“But there’s no doctrinal changes between the KJV and newer translations”
Double down on KJV only times 10 to the 10th power. Praise the Lord and yes that’s true
Ruckman gives a good case to become a Catholic.
Fantastic, brother!
And thank you for showing Kevin Meany! “I don’t care, I don’t care!” Haven’t seen him in years!
I wanted to play the whole song 🤪
I love these videos. I think you are doing a wonderful service for Bible believers. You do a wonderful job with your research and make very good presentations. But, without being critical, I wish you would leave out the funny clips. They seem unnecessarily antagonistic. It seems like this is a very serious and important discussion and those clips just do not help. You are doing great job at presenting this information. Thank you for what you are doing.
Based on the evidence I've seen I want KJV ONLY to stop, it just causes unnecessary division between brothers.
Was he friends with OL Jaggers or something?
So did God create confusion? Did God create 100 hundred million different versions of the Bible? 😂😂😂come on man put your faith in God and His word the KJB
Hebrews 8:9, Jeremiah 31:32. Read it. Give me an explanation. Thank you.
@@pastorburris so you believe in replacement theology and that makes you anti semitic. You must be reformed? Only people who don’t know how to rightly divide and follow Paul’s distinct ministry believe God didn’t preserve His word. If you think God can abandon the Jews then He can abandon us. I can explain your verses by reading Paul’s letters. You ever read Romans. And by the way Hebrews wasn’t written the The Body of Christ.
@@pastorburris this is simple. Jeremiah wasn’t written to the BOC. That covenant is and will be made with Israel. Once again replacement theology.
@@pastorburris wow your a pastor? Do you own a bible? If so, do you read it.
@@pastorburris ruckman was not perfect and sone things he did teach were not correct. But at least He knew God preserved His word. Are you perfect? Do you believe God preserved His word. If so, what version? Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones
And some Christians are stuck, we read the KJV, believe that men are saved by faith only in the Old Testament (Heb 11) and the New. We sing from a Hymn Book, and don't need a rock and roll group on stage to help us worship. But we are not Ruckmanites and will never be one. He was a very powerful man and could cast a spell- like belief in his so-called infallibility. I am surprised that sooooo many are taken in by this man.
One thing that nobody can pull Ruckman apart for would be his love and passion for a perfect Bible - the KJV. All his enemies and haters do not have a perfect bible they can point to. And that speaks volumes!
Nor did he! 😂
Ruckman was a cult leader.
Wow, Peter Ruckman has some crazy beliefs. I just wanted to say thank you to you and those who debunk KJV Onlyism. I like how you give examples they will use like 1 Timothy 3:16 and how you debunk it with Revelation 1:8. I have been liberated from KJV onlyism and It feels nice. I am using the ESV and NLT to help me understand what I'm reading. My church is KJV only but I know some people there who aren't. They all are very kind loving people. I was debating in my mind should I get a New King James for church since its closer to the King James. I was curious what your opinion is on that since I don't want to cause any issues/division and I don't want to debate someone about the issue now since I'm not in my right mind completely due to medical problems. Thank You Brother, keep up the good work and God Bless You!
Salvation is not the same throughout the Bible. There are different salvations in different dispensations
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That’s blasphemy and heresy Patrick!
@@pastorburris this can’t be a serious response right? I assume you are trolling here.
@@kyleoshields9474 it’s a serious comment with a little humor mixed in. No one has ever been saved by works of righteousness or obedience to the Law. Answer this basic question for me. When Paul wrote that it Romans 3:10-24, does that not apply to David’s day as much as it did Paul’s? I look forward to your answer.
@@pastorburrisso a serious question for you , are the 10 commandments the law in your interpretation? And if they are why does Paul refer to the ordinances written in stone as the ministry of death 2 Corinthians 3:7 ? Jesus tells the rich young ruler in Matt 19 that he must keep the commandments to have eternal life, if everyone was saved the same way throughout the Bible wouldn't that contradict how Paul says we are saved by grace through faith without works of the law? I'm not a biblical scholar like you but it's seems that before the cross that works of the law were required to gain eternal life judging by Jesus's own words in Matthew 19 :16-21 , I understand Abraham's faith was counted as righteousness before God , but that was before the law was established for Isreal to seperate them from the gentiles . Not attacking you I am honestly asking you for your interpretation, as you can see by my name I'm a carpenter and I study the Bible I'm not a member of any denomination just want to weigh your understanding and search scripture and test everything, peace and God's grace be with you
You should give context on some of these quotes. Bob Jones Sr. Said he was the smartest man to ever attend BJU, he read a book a day since he was a kid and is an expert on church history and manuscript evidence. Do you really think he isn't aware or doesn't believe that there are greek texts or greek manuscripts out there? He is well aware and does believe this. He is making a point, but taken out of context the point is lost and it makes him look like an idiot.
I can answer all these statements he makes amd give answers to your questions (on KJV issue) but won't do it here. Hope to talk live some time.
FYI. I attended his Bible institute and all students are taught 3 years of Greek and we are taught manuscript evidence and we use multiple Bible versions.
Yes, I tend to agree, and from having read Dr. Ruckman's commentaries and other materials, it is true that at times he is hyperbolic when wanting to convey a particular truth from the Scriptures, but personally there is much more of his teachings that are useful than are not. I realize that some of his ideas are silly, like the notion that Psalm 74:8 and the use of "Easter" in Acts 12:4 constitute advanced revelations in the KJB (Casiodoro de Reina used the Spanish term "sinagogas" in 1569; the term "Easter" was used in Matthew's Bible, the Great Bible, the Geneva NT, and the Bishops Bible, and the word is correct in the verse, but not for the reasons taught by Dr. Ruckman, Sam Gipp, etc.), but his biblical insight was amazing. His classroom instruction MP3s from PBI are really good, particularly from the late 70s. until around 2008 or so, when he was still sharp. The meticulous scripture with scripture analysis he gave when going through the historical books of the OT is quite rare, and his refutation of the heresies of Catholicism, baptismal regeneration and tongues, as well as of the many IFB cliches (for example: OT saints looked forward to the cross while we look back at it; Christ bruised Satan's head at Calvary, agape and phileo are different kinds of love) has no doubt helped many believers out there stay grounded.
I am baffled that you are so driven to devote such time and human creativity to debunking, reviling, and impugning Dr. Ruckman while so many vile and debilitating species of madness sorely afflicts the children of men. I'm not a "Ruckmanite," but my contact with him and with Dr. Hyles has left me with the certainty that I possess and am instructed by the perfect word of the living LORD. Sometimes Ruckman did create a ruckus, but he blessed a multitude of lives as well. I'll continue to love Peter Ruckman and Jonathan Burris.
I've been berated, belittled, condemned, called nasty names, been accused of being a "bible doubter/Alexandrian Cultist" etc. etc. by Ruckman's disciples. So I'm glad to see content like this that warns and exposes people of the cult-like/non-Christ like behavior of those of the King James Only ilk who follow in his footsteps and condemn the rest of Christendom who don't think and believe exactly the way they do.
You're entitled to think that berating, abusing and judging fellow God-fearing, scripture loving believers, chosen by God and regenerated by the powerful working of His Spirit in their hearts, along with discipling countless others to behave in similar fashion is acceptable behavior, but I guarantee you that it does nothing fruitful other than divide the church and cause confusion. @@JustTheGuy37
Be honest, you have never seen "THE greek text" and don't take Ruckman out of context. He is telling you the origionals dont exist and that nobody knows which it is...
Except, that’s not what he said. I gave quote after quote after quote. You just interpreted it to make it sound better.
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Which Greek text is the preserved word of God?
Not one of the ruckman haters have read his works they are excellent
the onlything "excellent" about the works of Ruckman is his art. It's a shame that he wasted a great gift on spreading the the Idolatrous doctrine of Extreme KJVonlyism.
Really? Wanna bet? I have read more Ruckman than most Ruckmanites. You should see my collection of his material.
@@JustTheGuy37, I don’t do requests for trolls. If you watch the earlier videos in my KJV collection, you will find that I reference and even who on camera much (but not all) of my KJVO collection of literature.
But I get it. You are insinuating that I am lying. But that’s okay. That’s what bitter trolls like you do.
@@JustTheGuy37 you are a troll and have yet to provide a biblical or scholarly or historical or logically response. Goodbye troll.
I’m not some huge ruckman fan. But you go on UA-cam and trash another pastor, which you have the right to do. But you can expect maybe the same to happen to you.
Oh yeah, there are plenty of videos out there in UA-cam land of some goofy guys who have “refuted” me. They are pretty sad. Check them out.
I follow ruckman he knows more than any Pastor out there
You need to follow Jesus.
I guess Paul was wrong to say follow him…
I follow Jesus but if want teaching on the Bible I read ruckman have anyone read his commentaries at all@@biblethumper6284
Well he's been dead a while now so you might wanna stop.
You follow ruckman? so you don't read your Bible? If you read your bible, you won't follow ruckman... Coz ruckman has many false doctrines.
If you do not believe that, any translation itself is inspired or perfect then you do not have the word of God
I’m not a big fan of Peter Ruckman either
I clearly state that the Bible is perfect in this video. I also discuss it at length in this one: Is the Bible Perfect? What Do We Mean By Perfect?
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1 in 23,000,000 good book by ruchman are you against bible or ruchman your point is confusing
If you found this video confusing, you should watch it again. There is nothing in this video to remotely suggest that I am against the Bible.
Ruckman was extremely smart but an obvious narcissist. I have read some of his books and watched some of his teaching. Regarding Scripture I believe he's wrong sadly.
A lot of narcissists are quite intelligent.
Duet 16:11 just because ruchman antics no reason to let on man decurage you from best version kjv 1611.
I have no problem with anyone claiming it to be the “best” version. My problem is with those who claim it to be the ONLY English version.
You said "the Bible is not perfect.". What? A perfect GOD can not have flawed word. Make it make sense?
That’s not what I said at all! Do not twist my words and do not bear false witness. Fix that!
Also, ruckman may be pretty crass at times in his preaching and writings but you have to understand he was from an older generation.
He didn't grow up in this soft squishy generation of people who get offended at every little thing like we grew up in. He told you like it is plain and simple and didn't sugarcoat things for the sake of being politically correct.
For that I respect him.
Yeah, he was plain and simple alright. He was a blatant racist and foul-mouthed false teacher who spewed hate and divisiveness throughout his ministry.
I wonder where the church and the world would be if it stayed KJB only? Worse or better than the way we have gone with new versions? I think we all know the answer.
I don’t think we do. Do you not know that the Jehovah’s Witnesses were KJV Only until they came out with their NWT. The early Mormons were KJV Onlyists as well. So were the Campbellites and the Christadelphians. Jim Jones used the KJV exclusively. David Koresh was a KJV only guy too. Ervin LaBaron and the Church of the Lamb of God cult were KJV Onlyists. The Church of God with Signs cult are snake handlers that use the KJV to defend their snake handling. The Seventh Day Adventists were some of the most prominent early King James Onlyists. So many cults started with and exclusively used the KJV. That doesn’t make the KJV bad, it simply means your suggestion is absolutely invalid.
Most believers believe God can find them a parking spot but they don t believe God can preserve His word. The KJB is the perfect preserved word of God
By what standard?
@@JustTheGuy37uh oh. You need to defend your statement. By what authority did the KJV translators change the word of God? Why did the Geneva or the Matthews or Coverdale or Great or Bishops Bible need to be changed and on whose authority? King James is not King Jesus. Stand and answer. Give a cogent answer or get blocked. I’m tired of you trolling.
You haven't disproved anything. King James Only is what your position calls a person that believes God actually preserved his word to a thousand generations. Ruckmanite is another name your position calls a person that believes the Bible they can possess is the literal word of God - without error. Your lists of reasons that a Ruckmanite can not have a the perfect word of God because Dr Peter S Ruckman Believer: is irrelevant. Is it God's perfect words as he gave for a thousand generations or not? Prove it! Whatsoever is not of faith is still Sin.
Uh oh. You REALLY need to watch this video.
How to Properly Defend the KJV and What Arguments You Should Never Use
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@pastorburris How did God reach lost Jewish people the last 2000 years when most didn't read or write Hebrew until recent decades? During the 1980s, the Jewish Chaplains used an English Torah for Jewish servicemembers that weren't familiar enough with Hebrew. There was an an introduction to why they chose the King James for that and not other versions that claimed to be from Origen's Fifth Column before Origen wrote it.
Did you know that Ruckman and Ruckmanite preachers have preached in Churches and Missions that used other than the King James and never mentioned it to the congregation or Pastor unless asked?
Long before I was called a Ruckmanite, I fellowshipped with brethren that didn’t use a King James and still do? Ruckmanites are not what you think, though some may exist.
I probably wouldn't reach the people you could reach, and some of the people I've read wouldn't have given you the time of day. That being said, I can still cite verses and even give a tract as you can. If God can use the wordless tract without verses, he can use whatever version you use. Most of this is not relevant to whether the King James is God's perfect words or not. Have faith in what you have faith in.
Bro, I don't understand ...you say the king james bible is the word of God it contains the inspired words of God and its inerrant.. but you also say you dont believe any translation is inspired or perfect in every word .. do you or your followers listen to what you are saying.... ? im not a scholar or theologian or anything but that is so contradictory
It isn’t contradictory at all. Please do some research on your own. Watch this video where I explain how to properly defend the KJV and any other faithful translation:
How to Properly Defend the KJV and What Arguments You Should Never Use
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After you watch the video on how to defend the KJV, watch this video where I teach the historical view of inerrancy.
Is the Bible Perfect? What Do We Mean By Perfect?
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Ive rejected these modern bibles long before i ever even heard of peter ruckman. I consider them tofu whereas the kjv is a full steak so to speak.
I took the time to research the matter and came to the conclusion that the modern bibles have been compromised, entire verses being changed or completely taken out altogether (the niv being the most dispicable in my opinion).
I have just about every modern bible for research purposes, or if i need a good laugh every now and then. But the kjv is the one i stick with.
Thank you for demonstrating your bias. Your “research” will never prove what you say.
@pastorburris I meant no disrespect Mr pastor, dont misunderstand me. You're clearly older than I am, so the last thing I want to do is come off unreasonable in a comment section.
But if I may ask, what do you have against the kjv?
You honestly have never noticed all these new versions have been compromised?
What church do you pastor?
Why do you want to know?
If the KJV (which I do not have a problem with) is the one true bible, does everyone in the world have to learn English? It cannot be directly translated into most languages for the same reasons we do not have word-for-word translations of the Greek and Hebrew. It's just not possible. EDIT: This is an actual question for the KJV crowd.
Even with Spanish there's no perfect 1:1 translation. Translation just does not work like that.
The KJV has been translated into many other languages such as German, Russian, Spanish, Korean, Mandarin, etc. The English speaking world has produced the most missionaries and God has blessed the KJV as the most popular Bible version of all time.
Here is where you are missing the point. There are word for word translations of the Greek and Hebrew text, and there are phrase for phrase translations. Phrase translations have a lot of errors. Look up Romans 6:1. NIV changes the meaning completely. It's like whoever wrote it doesn't even understand the difference between a definite artical and indefinite artical. Jahovah Whitnesses did the same with John 1:1
I wonder if Ruckman is after attention or he's just another nutbag.
There are in fact a few grammerical translation issues which absolutely do not effect the original meaning of the Greek text. Yes, the KJV Is the enharent word of God. I understand the NASB has corrected the three minor grammatical errors.
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland is KJV only big time also. Only inspired and only one given by God by them
I am aware of a few of those churches in North and South Carolina.
Is the Bible Perfect? What Do We Mean By Perfect?
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The kjv is superior to the originals because they are no originals
This is such an ignorant statement. When you make such a statement, you lose any standard by which to call any translation or version the word of God.
@pastorburris which greek text is the standard? there is more than one, and they all contradict each other
Which KJV is the standard? There is more than one, and they all contradict each other. I can actually answer your question in a cogent manner. Can you answer mine?
@pastorburris the one i have at home, is the same thing as the 1611. Since 1611 , the only thing that changed was printing errors and spelling. I have the words of God verbatim. The same God that created the universe is able to preserve his word for today, the main dominant language of his people , God is not limited to dead languages. He moves forward .. no perservation, no inspiration
This is demonstrably false. Watch my videos. Google it yourself. It will take you less than 15 minutes. Further, if your argument about printing and spelling errors was correct, then why couldn't God preserve his every single word in the hands of printers? I challenge you, tell me what edition of the KJV you "have at home" and I will show you the differences from the 1611 and demonstrate that they are not printing and spelling errors. Will you accept my challenge?
Looked for Arrogance under the Fruits of the Spirit and I couldn't find it in any translation. Weird.
Peter Ruckman was certainly an arrogant one.
Oh boy you really nailed it with so many quotations to back it up!
Most of his students and admirers will also deny that they are Fundamental Baptists because instead they are “Bible Believers”, and admirers of Dr. Ruckman alone are “Bible Believers” that’s their code word. They also will deny being Mid-Acts (though functionally that’s what they clearly teach), because Dr. Ruckman has taught them the delusion that they are simply “Bible-believing dispensationalists” (you will literally see them in their books defending "Bible-believing dispensationalism" and what they solely mean is Dr. Ruckman’s dispensational position) which is a title that means absolutely nothing and says nothing about one’s exclusive and particular dispensational views. ALL dispensationalists would say they are “Bible-believing dispensationalists.” And so they go, calling themselves alone “Bible believers” In complete and total ignorance of such logical fallacies and ignorance of church history.
@@JustTheGuy37 doesn’t Steven Anderson say the same thing? Why isn’t he a “Bible believer” if he also believes the AV is perfect (he does 100%)?
There a lot of groups that believe the AV is absolutely perfect and never to be corrected (Black Hebrew Israelites do), will you consistently call them “Bible Believers” as well?
Also, is not at the least the 80% of the AV the result of Tyndale’s choices, Coverdale choices? Were the AV translators trying “to be God” by revising the Bishops Bible? Wasn’t the Bishops Bible God’s words?
What I’m advocating for is sound arguments for the supremacy of the AV and not these, not every argument for a true thing is a good argument. There’s so many ways to make a cogent argument for the AV, this isn’t one of them.
Ohhhh! You said inspired and not preserved. I’m confident that argument is still going on. I know several churches that split over “is the kjv inspired or preserved”.
You also said preserved. Now both sides are going to jump in you.
People try to be smarter than they are.
@cynicallyskeptic4295, I was careful in my words. I said it is the preserved word of God and that it contains the inspired word of God. I did not say, and will not say, that any translation is itself inspired. But yes, I will certainly be attacked on both sides.
@@KJVBiblebeliever-bv7mgjust because someone uses the word preserved doesn't mean they get it from psalm 12:7.
@@JustTheGuy37, mess with God’s words? Sir, it is you who discredits God’s word and those who use a different translation than you. It is you who causes people to doubt that they have the word of God. It is you who holds to a history that there was no perfect word of God before the KJV, and it is you who claims the KJV is perfect but cannot state which one is perfect or why. God will hold you accountable for the divisive bitterness that you spew.
@@JustTheGuy37 once again, you cannot answer a simple question. One more strike and you are out.
@@JustTheGuy37 as I asked you, which one edition KJV meets your own criteria? All of them? Any of them? Logically, you can only have one that is word perfect. But you aren’t logical, so it doesn’t matter.
Dear Pasteur Jonathan Burris. King James Bible is the only pure word of God and righlty dividing is 100% Biblical Truth.
By what standard? Blind Faith or Evidence?
Faith
Why stop with “Ruckmanite”? We shouldn’t be identifying ourselves with anyone not named Jesus, that’s carnally minded. (1 Corinthians 3:4)
@thirdplace3973, Please reconcile this statement with your other comment that you are a Byzantine Text Onlyist seeing how Peter Ruckman vehemently disagreed with your position.
@@pastorburris I’m not defending Ruckman in that statement though. I’m trying to say we shouldn’t identify with anyone who isn’t Jesus. Examples would be Calvinist, Arminian, Lutheran, Wesleyian, et cetra. No, I’m not defending Ruckman.
@@JustTheGuy37 Paul literally tells the Corinthians who half were saying “I am of Paul” and the other half saying “I am of Apollos” that they were carnal. 1 Corinthians 3:4
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Which translation agrees with the "original" transcripts?
Can you send me a link where I can buy the preserved perfect translation.
Perhaps this video will help you understand. Is the Bible Perfect? What Do We Mean By Perfect?
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@pastorburris Thanks. Ill order a copy now. I need to hold a copy I have 100% confidence in when witnessing and someone tells me my copy has errors.
Where was the word of God before 1611?
Why didn’t the Anglican kjv translators translate “baptizo” as immerse?
Why did the king James translators translate pascha as “easter” in Acts where every other place they translate it as Passover?
Why didn’t the kjv transistors teach kjv onlyism in their preface?
Why doesn’t the original 1611 match up perfectly word for word with the 1789 you read from?
@bereanguy2737 I dont know about back then. Irrelevant to me today. I guess the Word changes over time, according to you.
Im just grateful I now have a link to get a copy to hold in my hands that I'm 100% confident in.
Thanks
@@ManassehJonesIt's very relevant today. Because if you need to have a Bible that is an exact, perfect translation of every word of the autographs then either no English speaking person had a Bible in 1610 or the KJV is just as fake as an NIV. There were English translations before the KJV and they did/do different in stone words.
And the KJV is inerrant word of God has nothing to do with IFB , I think Gibbs condoned hyles, listen if you cannot just follow God's word you are dividing people over people who want to do their thing, all Christians are out there,
The KJVO are the ones dividing the body of Christ.
Check out a book called “Sealed By The King” by Brandon Peterson
Read it.
What is your analysis on it?
Weren't you called to explain "what is a Christian?"
Don’t you keep asking me the same question over and over again? I am called to preach the gospel. I am called to rebuke, reprove, and exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. I am called to preach the whole council of God. I preached tonight at a local church. Are you asking me to do a specific video on “what is a Christian?” Dear Sir, didn’t Jesus and the apostles correct false doctrine and identify false teachers? Didn’t they say to mark them and avoid them? What was your point again? One day I hope you stop fighting me and start supporting me.
I’m a Byzantine Text onlyist.
@thirdplace3973, that's a fair position to hold. May I ask what translation you use? Surely it isn't the KJV since there are around 30 places where it does not follow any known Byzantine Text and, in fact, follows the Latin Vulgate in certain places against the Byzantine Text. I'm not criticizing the KJV or your position. I am simply curious what translation you use that is Byzantine Text only. I'm also curious which Byzantine Text you only use. Is it the Robinson-Pierpont Byzantine Majority Text or the Byzantine Majority Text (they are not the same). Or, do you accept any translation as long as it is Byzantine only? I look forward to hearing more about your position.
@@pastorburris I bounce around between the MEV and the ISV. But also I do compare with some modern translations too. I’m not in favor of the Alexandrian MSS family. Irenaeus was accusing Marcion and the Gnostics of removing verses as early as 157 AD. Both him and Hyppoletes quote from the last 12 verses of Mark in the 2nd century but they aren’t present in 3-4th century MSS and scholarship casts doubt on their authenticity. And I think the Byzantine MT is correct and I’m also a fan of Erasmus’s TR Greek.
@thirdplace3973, while I disagree with your preference, I respect it. I wouldn't call that a textual absolutist position even though you claim to be "BYZ only". You may be against Aleph, A, and B, but there are other uncials like E and W that are a combination of Alexandrian and Byzantine text-types. You would really have to throw the baby out with the bathwater in some cases if you were a true textual absolutist. Your points about the long ending of Mark (not the longer long ending of Mark in Codex W) is a topic that is worthy of discussion. I tend to agree that the long ending of Mark should be included, but I would not agree with the disputed portion of 1 John 5:7 or The Pericope Adulterae as being authentic. Cool discussion. I think we would get along fairly well despite some disagreements.
@@pastorburris Have you ever looked at the heptadic structure underlying the text of Mark 16:9-20 discovered by Dr. Ivan Panin in the 19th century? He was a Ph.D in Mathematics from Harvard who ended up spending the last 33 years of his life doing gemmaria on the Greek text, (the TR mostly).
I absolutely reject Gematria, Numerology, Numerics, or whatever one wants to call it. It is unbiblical and has its roots in Mysticism. There is no place in scripture where one is ever taught to handle the scriptures in such a fashion. Yes, it is possible with any large text. You can find where people have done the same with great works of literature over the years. Moby Dick is probably the most popular secular example. Using the same logic and reasoning, one cannot help but realize that Herman Melville, who struggled with atheism, was inspired of God. Else, there is simply no other way to explain all of the amazing revelations in that writing brought to light through Gematria. How can one claim this is a valid tool and not accept The Bible Code?