Average citizen of KEKistan There is a Google Chrome Extension called "CR-Unblocker". It's like a VPN for an American IP on Crunchyroll or maybe it's literally a key that Crunchyroll made so that they can provide their service worldwide without causing legal issues. Use it. It's great. (You still won't be able to watch stuff Prison School or smth if your account is registered in a country that doesn't allow it, but you WILL see it in the library) CR-Unblocker. Use it.
Funnily enough using a VPN or "CR-Unblocker" doesn't make consuming the product more legal than streaming it from . So if you don't care about the moral aspect you gain nothing from doing so.
-Goes to Crunchyroll -Searches for anime -90% of what I want is missing or not available -goes to gogoanime I also won't pay for Netflix because they offer too less. They have like season 2,3 and 4 of some shows and many big shows are absent altogether. If a service is worth it, I'd pay, but for me, Crunchyroll and Netflix are lacking for me so Gogo it is for me.
Netflix offer worldwide like 10-15% of what is available in their catalog in the US.. for even higher price in Europe! Why the hell would i pick them.. they have total of 15 anime's in my region..
Supreme Weeb278 then maybe legal anime streaming sites should start to do something and actually give everyone the same product for the same price. there are many who want to support the industry and use crunchyroll but simply can't because of the region lock. i don't know if you are from the us but if you had to pay full price for 30% of a product while others would get the whole product. if i want to watch one piece (which i don't) then i must live in the us since its not available in my country. the only option is either using the unsafe cr unblocker, pay for vpn or use a pirate site. guess what i choose
Supreme Weeb278 Pirating is not the reason Anime creators aren't getting money. This is an incorrect assumption because people who payed for anime in the past aren't just going to switch to pirating all of a sudden and the overwhelming majority of pirates will just stop watching anime if pirating is removed. All that the anime company loses is potential earnings(wishful thinking earnings really) but through pirating they gain a bigger audience. People aren't going to pirate just because they can. I, for example, don't have the money nor the desire to pay for a streaming service because: 1. They only offer 10% or less of the shows I want to watch 2. Due to shitty economy and currency what you consider 8 dollars per month to us is like 20 per month. The incomes are the same(absolute numbers)but because currency is shitter so are converted prices. 3. I'm just a fucking kid so I don't even have an income stream myself from which I can pay and convincing my parents to pay something like 20 dollar per month for a service they won't use and don't even understand is like convincing a baby to not shit himself. When I am able to actually support anime that I like I will. If pirating didn't exist I wouldn't have watched anime at all in the first place ergo me supporting an anime studio would have been impossible. Pirating opens the anime industry to an exponentially bigger audience from whom they can get money they wouldn't otherwise get.
Out of all the sites I use to watch Anime, I would have to vote gogoanime, reason is that, despite the fact of sometimes poor quality, I still enjoy that most anime shows are there and there isn't any problem using it at all, I enjoy Crunchy Roll only for popular shows and good quality, but gogoanime is my green light. 2nd best place to watch anime is Hentai Haven
Sadly cartoon network stopped carrying the amazing anime known as king of the hill and is stuck on the horrid channel comedy central where its hacked up and sped up for more commercials
There aren't 2 hours of ads. You want ad roll open crunchyroll. Just close the ads or get adblocker. It's a lot easier on illegal streaming sites. I only watch crunchyroll on my tv. The computer browser is horrible.
Honestly, anime studios utilizing things like Patreon should be waaaay more common practice. That's probably the best way you could speak with your money, and it would probably facilitate the production of more quality anime. I don't wanna feel like I'm just supporting the most popular shows on Crunchyroll by paying for a subscription. I don't want an excuse for another season of SAO.
***** Obviously I don't think it would work if that's the only source of income, new studios would never receive enough funding. I just know that people (myself included) would love the option to contribute directly to a studio.
According to an interview with the CEO of Crunchyroll in 2013, your subscription goes towards the shows that you watch, “If you watch just Naruto, your subscription money goes toward supporting that show. If you watch more than one show, the money is split proportionately among those shows depending on which ones you watch the most.”
Top 3 places to watch anime 3. In the livingroon with your mom 2. In work with the boss 1. In the bathroom where you can pop a bonner and not be afraid of it
Sir Gildo Nah its deff back alive...it's just a sprout right now instead of the huge tree it used to be....give it time to regrow and build its former glory
I'm starting to think that the people running businesses nowadays either lack a fundamental understanding of economics, or don't understand how much the internet has thrown a wrench into it.
This. It feels like everyone who makes marketing decisions is over 60 and close to retirement, so they are too old to understand the modern society, and too close to the retirement to give a shit.
Octuplex yup. It's the big wigs in the anime industry who only care about secure, old school revenue. It's like an old guy going "why should we build airplanes? These railroad tracks work perfectly well!"
And the funny thing is that other mediums like Gaming and etc have caught on it it YEARS AGO XD. At least with gaming, we know where the money goes to!
The copyright system is outdated. When it was created, no one would have ever predicted the phenomenon that is the Internet. Why do I bring this up? Copyright laws are one of the main reasons for piracy.
Finally an anime UA-camr who doesn't avoid mentioning Kissanime out of fear of losing respect from their shilling crunchyroll sponsor deals. Although since Kissanime lost its private servers and are relying on rapidvideo, openload etc, it's all about 9anime for me now.
He want to support the creators more than the distributors. He don't have the way to do so. He go to what's convenient. The convenient is crunchyroll and piracy. His solutions is crowd funding to studios. Crowd funding can not be enough. He just wants to have the option to donate money directly to every episode made. Digi want every artist to make a patreon. Go to the twitter of every artist you want to support and tell they to make a patreon. profit.
Jefferson Estêvam that sounds harder than clicking a extra button or two on crunchyroll jeez people like digi fail will try any bs arguments yo get shit for free while pretending that's not what he's doing
To all the people mad about this video because they completely missed the point: People will pay the lowest amount for the best services, that's fucking capitalism.
Capitalism requires the rule of law to remove theft and fraud from the system. Bootleg streaming sites are not legitimate free-market competitors to legal streaming sites -- they are cheaters.
But you still have to give People a reason to use your legal site rather than piracy. Better quality or subtitles would be a reason, making good dubs. You could get deals that release shows earlier on your site, it's not ideal but what else is there. Compared to other media anime is just too hard to watch since even when you know what you're looking for finding it is such a pain in the ass. Pirating anime is unusually high due to the lack of legitimate options.
Sure, legal options could be improved, but if you look at the "Original Source File" listed for videos on Kiss for recent anime, it's virtually always a HorribleSubs rip. Since HorribleSubs = 1:1 rips of legal streams, that means that these videos on Kiss: 1) Come out _after_ the legal streams go live (and those go up as soon after the JP broadcast as possible). 2) Have _worse_ video quality than the legal streams, since the HS videos go through a lossy re-encoding process to hardcode the subtitles. 3) Have _the exact same_ subtitle translations as the legal streams. (As for dubs, they're rarely bad enough to turn dub viewers away, but are almost never good enough for sub purists, no matter what quality they are.) While I know region locks are one reason for piracy, something like 30-35% of KA's traffic comes from the US, with another 5-10% from Japan -- two countries that're hardly underserved by legal options. A look at KA's Most Popular listing shows that all but a handful of the top ~300 are recent, well-known shows that're available on legal streaming sites. Some claim that piracy is a service problem, rather than a pricing problem. But it sure seems to me that a whole lot of people who *do* have legal options use KA simply because they don't want to pay subscription fees or wait a week and watch ads. Perhaps anime piracy is so prevalent because a huge swath of the anime -fandom- viewerbase feels entitled to free stuff and has adopted an anti-industry ideology to rationalize that entitlement. It's a cultural sickness.
Zalis116 no one is going to pay for Crunchyroll in the US if it doesn't support the creators of the shows they watch on it a lot.... why pay for something that supports and industry you don't want to support?
Who do you think is paying the creators to create the shows they watch? That's right, it's that reviled industry and the production committee system. If they don't make money, studios and animators don't get paid, end of story. But the greater question is, why do US anime viewers support the bootleg streaming industry, which pays *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* to the creators? Could it be because all this alleged concern for creators and animators is just a morally bankrupt smokescreen to disguise their desire for free stuff?
The money you pay to Crunchyroll doesn't go to every show on their site, just the shows you watch. www.otakujournalist.com/where-your-crunchyroll-dollars-really-go-an-interview-with-the-ceo/ Least according to the interview from a few years back. Who knows, maybe it changed or maybe I'm believing the blog to straight-forward, but it always made sense to me, and helped me feel better about paying for Crunchyroll.
Not ideal but 50% seems fair enough to me. At least in terms of making me feel good about paying for Crunchyroll. Out of curiosity, where did you get the stat from? Would like to have a new source to provide if this topic ever comes up again.
Kohmata Reizno but I is to retarded to click a button or two and I no not get floor fee waaah watches illegally I support kiss Animu even dough I da use da adlock basically digibros video XD
But wouldn't the problem with your suggested model be that a whole lot of people wouldn't donate anything because they rather watch a good show for free when nobody is forcing them to pay? And wouldn't that mean companies won't be able to refinance their products? I understand that such a concept might work for you personally but I highly doubt that it'd improve the situation of the anime industry.
You've got it completely backwards, in a way. People who would not donate to shows ALREADY AREN'T PAYING ANY MONEY TO ANYONE. Therefore, they would kind of freeload off those who pay the money, but that's fine. Donation is a matter of opinion - your donation means that you both think that show deserves the X amount of money for your enjoyment AND you have the money to pay it. People who WOULD LIKE TO PAY (like me) or are ALREADY PAYING just want the money to go into the right hands. I mean, think about this. A single episode of anime costs an average of $145,214 to fully produce. For a 12 episode show this is about 2 million USD dollars. There is no possibility of failure - only anime that PEOPLE WANT TO SEE is going to be made. What happens now is that there is anime that FLUNKS. They spend the budget, the anime is crap, nobody watches it, they do not make return on investment, and the studio is in shambles. Look what happened to the last season's Sin: Nanatsu no Taizai. If a production house ONLY MAKES AN ANIME every time there's about 2 million dollars donated to them, that means that's something people truly want to see animated. Or you could have the animation production studio wait to get a million dollars and then produce the show, expecting more donations afterwards. I mean, it is retardedly simple. You can combine funds from BEFORE making a show and after you air it to get your actual revenue and cover costs, it'd take a few years to find the right ratio (like, say you need 3 million dollars for a show and will start making it once 25% of the sum is collected), but this is INCOMPARABLY BETTER to what we have today. Badly paid staff. Badly made anime. Anime nobody wants. Hard to pay for what you really want. This situation is absolutely wrong in every conceivable way and it can be fixed.
Welcome to 'Digi doesn't understand capitalism', where his 'donate at the end of the season' would likely kill half of his favourite studios but A-1 pictures, his white whale, would survive
I don't think Digi truly believes that model would actually work in the real world. I think he was just saying that would be the ideal model for him as a consumer.
Most of my watching is illegal streaming because most of my watched anime are not licensed or fairly old. In fact, from this issue I'm surprised so many people use legal streaming to this degree. Yes, the Netflix and Anime Strike issue sucks ass, but again, I'm not waiting months to watch a show nor am I handing out money to sites that lack shows I care about.
helko1 Well, whatever helps people sleep at night, I guess. I'm down for legal streaming when what's given is a well trade-off, but for most cases personally right now it offers very little benefit.
Some people have no choice other than to pirate the shows. There are many factors that play into this, ranging from money to availability and you can't really blame them for it. This is why sites like Kissanime are so popular. Although some people do try their best to support the official release in any way they can.
Nice Guy Fucking thank you. You have random people who think there is no reason for illegal streaming. Hell, a bunch of shows I have came across are never going to be licensed and predate the 2000's, so I have no choice. AnimeSols had to and because they were crowdfunding a few of these old titles and like Digi said, it just doesn't hold up.
WalkingGirlKoi Yeah its annoying when you have casuals looking down on other people that torrent when the only other option you have is paying hundreds of dollars for overpriced BDs that aren't even in english
Crunchyroll actually divvies up the money based on view count. Whether they're deciding the amount based on total view count or personal view count is kind of unclear.
It is very small. There's other ways to give back. Better ways. Though there's still the whole matter of Japan paying their workers decent wages and scaling back the workload. That's an internal problem that I doubt we could fix outside of possibly Netflix. Though I'm not sure I trust Netflix to be that good if they become the main anime hub.
A lot of "little bits" add up if enough people contribute them. Anything times zero (AKA "what creators get from views on bootleg streaming sites") is zero.
Digibro, I agree with you on the fact that crowd-funding might be the wave of the future to best support the anime we like. And, of course, I agree that Netflix and Amazon should really drop out of the anime market... it is obvious to me that they are mostly concerned with getting more paying subscribers to their service, not provide a complete anime experience. However, I'd have to disagree that streaming from places like kissanime is the best way to watch anime. I did some research a while back (so I don't have sources, sorry) about how legit anime-producing companies are paid. They are typically paid some amount of money per episode watched on the streaming website (crunchyroll, for example). The amount varies depending on the popularity of the anime and for business reasons, the information on exactly how much isn't readily available. It is not much, but even a low-end estimate that I found online was around 10 cents per episode. This made me curious, so I looked at the view counter on kissanime for some typical run-of-the-mill show at the time. Over 10 million views (on that site alone, not including other streaming services or the torrent world). So, even a low estimate there is a potential 1 million dollars (per episode) that the producers of that anime are not getting. So... even if one person changing doesn't change much... I still think that it is important. After all, we are talking about millions of dollars. To that end, I disagree with your premise that Crunchyroll support all anime. They only support (significantly) the anime that is watched frequently (all the way through, multiple times, etc). In other words, good anime gets more money because they have more views. After all, and I learned this from one of your earlier episodes, you can usually tell how good an anime is in the first 10 minutes of the show. Also, as a side note, there is a Japanese-based company called Daisuki (website: www.daisuki.net/us/en/ ) that shows anime for free with commercials. I haven't researched them much since their website doesn't run on Linux (my operating system), but presumably it operates similar and at least brings the money to the right country. So, that's my few cents. I'd be interested what you think because, I admit, I don't know very much about the topic... just what I read a few years back.
Arms98, that's true. I really wish that crunchyroll gave us all the anime too. It is quite disheartening to pay so much for so little. In terms of that, here's my thoughts and conclusions. My primary goal is to make sure the groups making good anime get money. Makes sense, right? Support of good anime means more good anime. Crunchyroll, at this point in time, is the only way I know that I can do that... so that's why I support them. And, best of all, they offer anime for free with commercials. Not bad in my opinion... since it is just like watching OTA tv. To that end, I admit that some anime simply can not be supported (without, as Digibro mentioned, buying expensive discs that are generally not desired). That might be the 2/3 of anime that isn't on crunchyroll (I omit Netflix and Amazon). I think it is reasonable to argue for streaming those 2/3 on websites like kissanime. Presumably, this would encourage crunchyroll (or Daisuki) to get more anime titles as well.
Then Crunchyroll is not necessarily financing good anime but popular anime. That's one of the problems I personally have with it. I feel that it's better if a studio had their own website/patreon like Digibro said in the video. What he neglected to bring up was examples of this working such as The Little Witch Kickstarter, but most importantly companies like Rooster Teeth who earn a good chunk of money from their sponsors who they also give exclusive content. There's many other animators, studios,and even reviewers who make a living off of crowd sourced money. So if studios where to implement a process similar to Rooster Teeth or Jim Sterling they could definitely succeed and get more money than any streaming or video service could offer them. But as of right now Crunchyroll is the only sort of viable option.
I found that I watched a lot more anime when I was watching it illegally as a teen. As an adult, I started exclusively watching all my anime legally due to convenience, but I found that I gradually started watching less. I've come to realize that I'm missing out on a lot of great shows out that aren't offered on Crunchyroll or Funimation
So basically, if streaming companies try to fuck with viewers it doesn't even matter because they'll just pirate and that doesn't even matter because the whole industry's system for making it's money is broken and retarded anyway.
Some how I knew this would be the stance you would take, ever since all these video's started popping I was waiting for you to come in with this "just pirate it bro, don't give a fuck".
Torrent the shows, import the blu rays if you think it's worth supporting. Done and done. Blu rays cost too much? Buy some merch from a good site. Ultra poor? Give some money to the animator dorm project to support the animators. Just don't give your money to western companies who will take a large chunk of your money and give you a poorer service.
Going by your logic, Netflix would be the only good company out there. Because they actually fund animes. For example, Little Witch Academia was funded entirely by them because so many people liked it on their site. And they've announced around 8 original animes that they themselves funded which will be exclusively Netflix. No airing in Japan, World Wide release.
Why do Japanese companies agree to contracts with these Western companies if they're getting ripped off? Western streaming and disc releases are avenues of consumption that the creators have allowed to happen, unlike torrents and bootleg streaming sites.
+Joey Carthew I see no problem the truth. Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, Amazon don't create their anime. Netflix is contributing most to the medium right now because they create their shows lol
Let me name you all the shows that are coming up that Netflix personally funded themselves: Devilman Crybaby, B: The Beginning, A.I.C.O Incarnation, Lost Song, Knights of the Zodiac: Saint Seiya, Baki, Sword Gai: The Animation. Netflix is the ONLY company that is doing this. Without Netflix, these shows that I've listed would NOT exist at all. All of these are Netflix originals.
FErgersonn THE GREAT are you that fucking stupid?! An original would imply that they own the IP, when they don't. Most of these are adaptions of preexisting IP's, saint Seiya is going to be CGI, FFS Netflix are being cheap bastards with their anime. Which as berserk showed has been incredibly well received by the community at large.
You pay 10 dollars for crunchyroll. Who are you really paying for? It's not the people making the anime. That's for sure. You are basically paying for the sevice. Why would you even do that if the service is just as great if not better on kissanime? It boggles my mind. I want to pay for the anime for better service, quality, and directly to the people making the anime. If there isn't this option then there is no way I will ever spend my hard earned money to scumbags who are trying to rob me when there is a better alternative to that website that offers the experience and service...FOR FREEE. I hope there is a better way of dealing with this issue but as if now, anime looks like it's gonna fail for this very reason.
So it's okay for bootleg streaming sites like Kiss to make ad money as illegal middlemen, but legal services that pay Japanese companies for the rights to stream titles are "robbing" you? Seemslegit.bmp.
are they the ones taking money from me for no good reason?? no? O well i dont care what happens. and no these Japanese companies are not making any money, its the companies that are stealing the animes that are making money. If i am paying for the same exact service as the ad. Run website that has anime for free i will obviously go to the one that is free because i aint paying for it. I want to pay for better quality anime and not just the same one that i can get for free
Since i learned that paying crunchyroll or any other anime streaming service gives literally pennies to the studios and creators i just went straight to piracy idgaf anymore
The thing is, you have no data, and you did zero research about how cash flows in the Anime industry, so you are basically pulling shit out of your ass. I do agree that the industry should be better at catering to the audience. But the truth is disc sales (in Japan) do determine the success of the show, and the health of western streaming services determines if the anime industry actually cares about the West.
Just a quick side note, if i remember correctly if the show is successful, netlifx actually give double of the production cost. So in a way, the equivalent of donating to the show would be watching it complety, give it a good rating and share it to other people. (Altough i can no longer find the source so maybe it could be wrong) And lets be honest, your model wouldn't work. It would just split the market and focus on the people with the big wallets, trying to maximise the profit. Seeing that most popular show ranges from things like psycho-pass to love live, your ideal way of supporting show would either reshape the anime landscape, or simply break it into getting the most generic and easy cash grab donating possible. (That means more ero manga sensei and less psycho-pass)
They probably don't do double, but they definitely at least cover the cost. General rule is that if they're distributing a series in all but one or two countries they're paying the cost of production.
As a Creator, here is what I would do. Put my animation on the internet for free. On UA-cam, Vimeo, whatever. And then use any Avenue possible to bring in Revenue. Ads on the UA-cam video, a patreon page, direct donation links, selling Blu-rays or DVDs, merchandise... This works well for a lot of Internet creatives, but I don't know if it would be enough to support a entire Animation Studio.
I'm a bit confused. So what you're telling me is that after you've watched a 13 episode series for free, you get to decide whether you'll give them your money or not. If this is what you meant, then that's like going into a movie theater for free and later on deciding whether you'll keep it or fork it for support.
Kai Mikoshi I go to the movies, pay for one movie and then just watch whatever I want after the first movie. I don't go out much. I often end up seeing movies I would never have seen in theaters.
I mean, that's basically how i watch my anime now. I watch it on crunchyroll or pirate it, and if i really liked it i'll probably buy the bluray (because i still like blurays). But the problem with that, as Digi points out, is that a lot of the money isn't going to the people who actually made the show.
Yep, if there were no employees blocking you from entering from free we would all go for free. It is wishful thinking to appeal to morals in the market.
Fuck the production committee system! Nevermind the fact that this system allowed most of digi's favorite show to get green lit, or ensures creators have constant work to do and keep many studios from closing down! Anime industry have to change!
You paying for Netflix or Crunchyrole means that streaming companies will be more eager to buy the rights to shows of that same style/creators/genre and the companies that sponsor and own the studios will get more money. The companies getting more money will mean they will support the studios that made that successful show in order to get even more money. That studio getting more support will be incentivized to keep the creators and workers who made the show that got them the support, and the demand for those creators and workers will increase. Am I not getting something?
I shall use an anology. Imagine a painter you like makes cool paintings, but he only makes them for a rich, incredibly dickish homicidal slave owner who eats babies and only sell to people who will wall for miles to his castle on a mountain. And the artist continues to only distribute them through this method where the evil guy get's over 90% of the money and the artist is too stuck in his ways to do otherwise, do you think it's reasonable to pay to the guy ?
Wow. I think maybe the analogy of a cannibal murdering slave owner is a little much to describe the situation with streaming services. Anyway, if I stopped paying for the painter's work then the painter wouldn't get his ten percent cut and it would be to the painter's dentriment. For the painter, me paying is undeniably more favorable for him than not paying.
Yes, the painter could be getting a hundred percent of the profit. But that hundred percent might be less than the ten percent he was getting before. Most likely the painter doesn't have the skills, connections or resources to market and distribute his product. So the sum total of all the profit he makes on his own could very well be less than a tenth of what he makes with his partner.
I am afraid to say this isn´t how companies work. The company i am working at is doing really good atm on the global market and has a lion share but they still laid off hundreds of workers so they can outsource the work where it is cheaper. Now my department got the same treatment so that we are down to less then ten people and everyone of us has multiple hundreds of overtime hours. Last week we got personal sent down to us so that they can figure out how we can work more efficiently. I tell you this, there is no way you can cut down an average of 2 overtime hours a day with being more efficient.
Nope, I didn't say that. For the few shows that there is no way to legally watch and the physical release are out of print, go crazy. You can't help it if you WANT to give them money, but they have no platform for you to do so. The problem is pirating shows that are already available to stream legally (and cheaply too).
How are figures and such less of a "moral grandstanding induced paperweight" than DVDs and Blu-Rays? Compare KA's "Most Popular" list to the shows available at legal streaming sites, and you'll see a pretty substantial overlap. People are generally not going to KA for old/obscure titles that're unavailable on legal sites, they're going there to avoid paying subscription fees and watching ads -- because they want free stuff. (inb4 "region locks" -- ~35% of KA's traffic is from the US, how do region locks explain _that?_)
And I lament the regrettable attitude that art, music and other entertainment was only ever worth the paper, plastic, magnetic tape, canvas, or whatever else it was reproduced on. And that "no physical object sold/lost" has turned into open season for misappropriation.
If quality is your main concern: 1. Buy the bluray OR 2. Pirate it and watch with a good player. Ignoring the obvious advantage of being free, the actual streaming sites have an inferior quality to something like HorribleSubs, not to mention groups with more competent encoding. Unlike Digibro I'm a huge stickler for quality and I'm not paying for something that's an inferior service to something that pirates offer. Streaming is pleb shit. If you get offended by this, reconsider your priorities in life.
Legal sights. Not illegally. End of discussion. You should be ashamed of yourself. Give back to what you love. Im throwing my money at legal sights because first, i aint no criminal pirate. Second, i want to support the animes i love. Even if it 0.01 percent of the $7 i pay. Your a cancer. Your what's wrong here. I HOPE crunchyroll does NOT sponsor you nor any other legal site. You are biting the hand that feeds you.
According to CR Germany, 50% goes *directly* to the Anime Studios (depending on what you watched on CR). For example, if all you watched in a month was Naruto, then 50% of the subscription fee (2.50€ in my case) goes to Studio Pierrot. That's all they told me when I asked.
Agh, thank you! This is my exact problem with anime. Outside of buying physical goods, of which I don't want the clutter, there simply isn't any good digital means to pay for/support anime. Not without having to go through some fucking middle man, of whom I don't know what they do, have a bad business model, provide a mediocre service at best, and in which I can't even tell if my money is actually supporting the anime I watch. If the anime studios just had a fucking patreon account or some other kind of crowd funding source then I would happily throw money at them, regardless if I got anything out of it. But that's just not a fucking option, and it drive me nuts.
3:31 "If they're not giving me what I want, they're not getting my money." It occurs to me that those offering more legal sources of anime can in some cases be framing moral security as part of a project. Only, they're doing it in a way that doesn't really correlate with ethics. They're like "Non-GMO" bananas to health people but they're anime streams for the legally insecure.
Jason Skywalker I respect your opinion but I can also understand forneverworld's issue with him. Since I watch anime on 9anime and other sites , I can't really speak my mind on this. It would make me a hypocrite so I'll just end it on that. Fornever made a good point in my opinion that's all.
The budget is the money people who are making the show get as their salary. Back in 1998 or something, in an interview about the success of Ocarina Of Time, Shigeru Miyamoto said that he didn't get any extra money besides his usual monthly nintendo employee salary, regardless of the game becoming a smash hit. He said he wished everyone who liked the game could give him at least a dollar, if we overestimate that only a half of people who bought the game would be willing to give just an extra dollar for ol' Shiggy, he would get rightfully deserved 3.8 million dollars. God bless Steam and self publishing!
There was a similar problem for the music industry for a while. The only way to get certain songs was to buy an entire album of stuff you didn't want, just to get the one. Then it was super restricted with how you could share it, and thus many people just resorted to piracy. Apple/Steve Jobs came along, and made iTunes, and Steve Jobs did something important: He beat free. iTunes was more convenient and of better quality than the piracy sites at the time, and thus iTunes exploded into popularity. The only ones unhappy about this were a few artists miffed about the fact that they could no longer force someone to buy an entire album in order to get one song. I think something similar could be done here, it's just that as you said, the current services suck. One annoyance I have is that Aniplex seems to think that pirating websites don't exist, which is why they think they can get away with selling their dubbed DVDs of Kill La Kill at a rate of about $12 per episode. Yeah, very few people are going to do that.
Man this is why you've rapidly became one of my top favorite anime youtubers. You aren't a sellout who constantly ads like other youtubers and how "hey guys you should support Crunchyroll and other legal anime sites because of this this this and this" as they have their pockets full of money those sites obviously gave them Totally not talking about Mother's Basement though. Continue doing a good job. Never change, Digi, never change.
He's totally not a shill in terms of demanding money for variable content and awareness, to say nothing of him practically doing what the Japanese model is: churn out as much as possible and hope some of it sticks and the work is worth it in payment.
Digi is far too optimistic about the idea of 'internet liberation'. You will *never* get to the point of one-to-one, production company receives 100% unless said production company is a literal conglomerate. Business aspects exist because there's a whole lot more steps than people realize in between creation and consumer, and that is not going to vanish simply because the enthusiast base grows. Things can better, of course, but you cannot escape this chain. Short of literally mailing money to a studio's doorstep, you will never get what you want in terms of direct renumeration.
Sure, that's more direct, but he's still up against certain structures that will not allow him to do what he wants. That will never be a sustainable model because there's so many aspects of business that a creative company cannot handle by themselves and continue to do what they do.
In short, naive passion against harsh reality and structures that have existed long before the millennial age fans (myself included technically, late 80s kid) It's almost like he thinks every anime studio does their own work rather than oftentimes doing support work for other studios probably half the time or more until they can take a risk and do something of their own
Well I meant that more in the sense of distribution and licensing. These are the 'middle men' Digi are talking about. They are necessary because these studios are not set up to deal with that sort of overhead.
You do realize Trigger was raising funds for Little Witch Academia, and successfully created an anime that way, they got their funds in 6 hours? They are now raising the funds for Little Witch Academia 2! I mean, literally every argument you have flies out the window the moment people successfully pull this shit off. And they have. What excuse do other studios have? None. It is literally possible to collect funds both before and after, all on the basis of good will, and produce a fucking anime. Trigger did it.
His position is so contrived. At first he says Crunchy roll costs very little, when he says he doesn't want to subsidize all anime industry. And even the premise that creators don't see that money is not true. For legal streaming services, the royalties make up the wast majority of expenses. And his solution is beyond naive. Sure, some will pay. but many will not. Look at the game mods. Nobody donates for them. Pretty much the only model that works is crowdfunding, that is asking for money with a promise that content will be made. Finally, what makes you think those artsy types are good at business? What makes you think they can put together aything as good as or better than crunchyroll or netflix or whatever? Look at how many artists mismanage kickstarters, let alone sink whole companies when they indulge in their fantasies. I'm not condoning the monkeys that run current flawed services, but it would be even worse. Hence why those middlemen serve a function. It's nonsensical to poo poo current streaming platforms just because you find the idea of middlemen abhorrent.
I don't think he knows how any of this actually works. I think a law student or a business student should review this video and see what they actually think.
In the case of Netflix and Little Witch, I'm fine with the thought of streaming it on kissanime because I already have a Netflix subscription, Netflix is still getting my money whether I watch it on their service or not. And the companies they pay to put that show on their service are still getting the licence fee. If this results in Netflix deciding to stop buying anime licences then so be it, the show will just be picked up by another streaming service, probably Crunchyroll.
I honestly don't get what you're complaining about here? You want to suppport companies but not through the "Middle-men" - but that's how a company makes it money? They make it off blu-ray sales, sponsorships and merch sales - having a "How much did you think this was worth" donation strategy is the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard - because while you might think it was worth 50 bucks - half the people watching it will go "I think it was worth one penny" and just got 20 episodes for that amount, probably because the average anime fan's parents won't notice a penny on their credit card. I kid... I kid. my parents would totally notice that...
In my opinion if Digibro's system of paying for anime existed there would never be any anime ever again, because a) it wouldn't make any money possibly and b) he trivializes roles other than the director, animator, and seiyu. Well unfortunately the production company makes the anime real, and often it's simply a one off business agreement between a bunch of merchandizers, a studio, and a publisher, or whatever. I'm sure we've all seen that graph of payscales from the anime industry with SHIROBAKO characters. The industry by and large does not care about your favorite director or animator, and unless your seiyu is top tier they aren't getting money either. Digibro will never have a system he wants. That is not how the anime machine works. And I feel quite strongly that no matter how much we like anime, how legal we want it to be, the machine will never work that way.
Just show the shows online and have like 5 adds in every video 1 in the beginning 2 in the middle and 2 more in the end there. You make your money and everyone supports the show.
I agree with you 100%. Fuck CR, they fool people into thinking they actually support anime studios, fucking hacks. (I hate CR, don't mind me too much).
There are a lot of anime websites in spanish that are pretty good (and free) like animeyt, jkanime, animeflv and so on. But personally I prefer torrenting. This comment coming from a person with no money lol
Finally someone who gets it.Somebody understands my mindset when trying to buy anime.When I'm buying I'm not supporting the creators I'm just feeding this horrible system that needs to be changed
netflix: not very much anime funymation: doesn't work on my laptop anime strike: blocket by amazone kissanime: can't watch because of internet security crunchyroll: YAAAASSSSS::::::))))) but still.... only cruchyroll is not enough for me... ::::((((
I'm glad you talked about the legal streaming subject There are many misconceptions about supporting the industry and many people don't realize that the studios barley make any money out of the international audience due to the fucked up system chain from the studio to the streaming site
Zalis116 plenty if the pirates love the show enough to buy. Look into pirates. They're interesting and very ironic. I'm reading about them but by bit now.
That's a big "IF" there. Conditional revenue is exactly the same as "no revenue at all," until people actually buy stuff. And generally, if a show's available to buy, it's available for legal streaming as well, so what's stopping viewers from doing their "try before you buy" discovery legally? I know pirates; I am one, and I've participated in multiple sides of the downloading scene, from downloading for myself, to re-distributing files, to translating/subbing. While I've bought a lot of DVDs and Blu-Rays over the years, I know I'm an outlier. There's a thread on famed torrent site BakaBT about anime/merchandise collections, and it's had maybe a dozen and a half people posting on it for the last 3 years. Convention attendance keeps going up, shows get millions of views on KA and presumably other bootleg streaming sites, and yet most shows struggle to sell more than a few thousand discs, if they're lucky. "But what about merch?" Most shows don't have legitimate merchandise available outside Japan, and I find it hard to believe that all of these "I'm too young/poor to get a CR subscription" viewers (though why they can't wait a week and watch for free with ads is a mystery) are importing from Japan.
An interesting economic model for anime; >You have some sort of streaming site that hosts a whole bunch of anime >When you sign up you decide how much money you want to spend on anime in the near future >That amount becomes your streaming currency >Every time you want to watch an episode of something you pay a small price to 'unlock' that episode >Note: The 'streaming currency' is just to soften the paywall >This way you only ever pay for episodes you want to watch >And any show you drop will no longer affect your total cost of anime watching *Make it so that you pay halfway through an episode (so you don't get trapped into paying for something shit) What I think this model would bring is the ability for people to only ever pay for what they want and, provided that the money spent is shared correctly, the anime people enjoy the most will become better funded in general. An extension of this would be the data which shows are most popular and how much money they make, helping to provide anime studios with information about their demographics. Obvious additions to this sort of service would be things like 'Season Passes' for hardcore viewers who watch everything, donation boxes like Digi suggested, and advertising merchandise on the site itself in addition to a donations box. Thoughts, counter-suggestions, additions?? Some economics professor feel free to show how this model sucks 0.0
DoubleOne this could work well, but tbh the first few episodes should really be free. leizhin uses this modell as well and ppl are buying it so it has potential. not me because i have some issues with it why cant i buy all chapters on a discounted price why arent the nsfw comics not in the app why are the pages taking longer to load than on the pirated ones why would you expect me to pay money for it basically "provide me a better service than the pirates with a more convenient price"
Obsucuria I agree free trials are universally expected and concerning quality, that's the job of the uploaders to provide a quality product. In my mind this sort of site would be hosted by the anime studios/network so that the product we get is equivalent to what is aired and the revenue goes back to the studios. Obviously this is completely ideological but that's the general gist.
If you can't watch it legaly (or you doesnt want to use certain services), DOWNLOAD IT DIRECTLY FROM SOME FANSUB (or pirate the english BD/DVD release... only if you feel the dub (or the translation) may be good), DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO THIEVES, althougt you aren't paying anything. Also, if you can't stand low quality video (it's my actual reason to not watch anything in illegal sites) is the only free alternative.
I use Otakustream instead of Kissanime, since KIssanime is very overzealous with adds and popups, even if I have multiple add blocks on. It's one of the only websites that does that. Aside from that, I use Amazon Prime and Netflix since I already have those for live action and movies and because I purchase things online. I don't have Crunchyroll/VRV because the service is terrible for me: the subtitles are janky or don't work half the time, and the video quality is very inconsistent and rarely stays at 1080p even though I have amazing internet.
I have Netflix but I'm not going to wait when it's airing now. From what I remember crunchy has shit video quality so I'll pass. I don't really use kissanime because it doesn't work on the PS4 browser so I use 9anime instead and it is a great site. I just rather watch it off of 9anime instead.
The main problem for me is that the paid services often offer LESS than the free ones. Why pay 10 dollars a month for Netflix, which doesn't do simulcasting, when you can use kissanime which DOES do simulcasting AND is free? The paid services are supposed to offer MORE not LESS. Because not only are illegal streaming sites free, but they're often more convinient AND have more to offer. Crunchyroll may be a good choice because it offers you plenty of anime with no obnoxious pop ups and ads unlike illegal services (with premium atleast) but there's also the fact that Crunchyroll has very few dubs. Some anime have great dubs, but chances are, Crunchyroll won't have it. Illegal streaming sites always provide both sub and dub. Then theres the fact that some anime arent available in certain countries, yet sites like kissanime will have it available in all countries. On top of all of that, yet again, it's free. It's ironic that you often pay to get less content rather than more. It's practically rewarding people for using the illegal sites. If you pay, you should get more. Not less.
You have no idea how anything works if you genuinely believe that "After we've sunk millions of dollars into producing this anime for you, please give us some undefined amount of money entirely determined by your discretion, and it's entirely optional and only pay us if you thought it was good" is a business model that could possibly function. This is a model that works pretty great for your UA-cam videos. But imagine it took you a year, hundreds of hours of labor, and a million bucks to make even a single video on your channel. The model you currently use would not possibly be able to sustain that
Same. The 10 bucks a month for everything from crunchyroll and funimation along with a ton of extra live action and animated shows and movies. Vrv is about to blow up
![Stop Blaming Budget For Animation Quality! [Rant]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zRmx9Rf7NVM/mqdefault.jpg)
If Trigger opened a Patreon I would rush to get a pay pal and give them as much money as I can.
Cyba ik im late but they did
I use crunchyroll but, since i don't live in "BIG DICK AMERICA!" i don't get all the shows i want. feelsbadman.
Average citizen of KEKistan
There is a Google Chrome Extension called "CR-Unblocker". It's like a VPN for an American IP on Crunchyroll or maybe it's literally a key that Crunchyroll made so that they can provide their service worldwide without causing legal issues. Use it. It's great. (You still won't be able to watch stuff Prison School or smth if your account is registered in a country that doesn't allow it, but you WILL see it in the library)
CR-Unblocker. Use it.
get a vpn. "Private internet access" is a good one and dirt cheap
Average citizen of KEKistan 😂😂😂
SiMe thanks fam
Funnily enough using a VPN or "CR-Unblocker" doesn't make consuming the product more legal than streaming it from . So if you don't care about the moral aspect you gain nothing from doing so.
Don't lie, we all use HentaiHaven.
hentaischool
you're welcome
Stranger_ Danger 2 ssssshhhhhhh
Bert Ontiveros bro u just open my eyes
Why thank you kind sir, needed more porn in my life
My favourite comedy is "bible black" dubbed
-Goes to Crunchyroll
-Searches for anime
-90% of what I want is missing or not available
-goes to gogoanime
I also won't pay for Netflix because they offer too less. They have like season 2,3 and 4 of some shows and many big shows are absent altogether. If a service is worth it, I'd pay, but for me, Crunchyroll and Netflix are lacking for me so Gogo it is for me.
B. v. Alem too true
Netflix offer worldwide like 10-15% of what is available in their catalog in the US.. for even higher price in Europe! Why the hell would i pick them.. they have total of 15 anime's in my region..
Supreme Weeb278 then maybe legal anime streaming sites should start to do something and actually give everyone the same product for the same price. there are many who want to support the industry and use crunchyroll but simply can't because of the region lock. i don't know if you are from the us but if you had to pay full price for 30% of a product while others would get the whole product. if i want to watch one piece (which i don't) then i must live in the us since its not available in my country. the only option is either using the unsafe cr unblocker, pay for vpn or use a pirate site. guess what i choose
Supreme Weeb278
Pirating is not the reason Anime creators aren't getting money. This is an incorrect assumption because people who payed for anime in the past aren't just going to switch to pirating all of a sudden and the overwhelming majority of pirates will just stop watching anime if pirating is removed. All that the anime company loses is potential earnings(wishful thinking earnings really) but through pirating they gain a bigger audience.
People aren't going to pirate just because they can. I, for example, don't have the money nor the desire to pay for a streaming service because:
1. They only offer 10% or less of the shows I want to watch
2. Due to shitty economy and currency what you consider 8 dollars per month to us is like 20 per month. The incomes are the same(absolute numbers)but because currency is shitter so are converted prices.
3. I'm just a fucking kid so I don't even have an income stream myself from which I can pay and convincing my parents to pay something like 20 dollar per month for a service they won't use and don't even understand is like convincing a baby to not shit himself.
When I am able to actually support anime that I like I will. If pirating didn't exist I wouldn't have watched anime at all in the first place ergo me supporting an anime studio would have been impossible.
Pirating opens the anime industry to an exponentially bigger audience from whom they can get money they wouldn't otherwise get.
what is your country
Out of all the sites I use to watch Anime, I would have to vote gogoanime, reason is that, despite the fact of sometimes poor quality, I still enjoy that most anime shows are there and there isn't any problem using it at all, I enjoy Crunchy Roll only for popular shows and good quality, but gogoanime is my green light. 2nd best place to watch anime is Hentai Haven
Pushing Guy Also gogoanime is pretty darn convenient for downloading episodes, least hassle in my experience.
Hentai haven has the best anime
I prefer otakustream cause it tends to stream high quality anime
Aries Arend Otakustream is literally the best.
My man!
i watch anime on cartoon network
FUCKING SPACETOON!!
Bruh my favorite anime is the amazing world of gum ball
Sadly cartoon network stopped carrying the amazing anime known as king of the hill and is stuck on the horrid channel comedy central where its hacked up and sped up for more commercials
I play games on coolmathgames.com
Disney Channel is better
-goes to kissanime
-**click**
-500 ads pop up
-2 hours of closing ads, 20 minutes of anime
-worth it
-goes to kissanime
-*click*
-0 ads pop up
- 20 minutes of anime
-worth it
true story :3
nice and then kissanime will shut down because they cant fund their site, smart
There aren't 2 hours of ads. You want ad roll open crunchyroll. Just close the ads or get adblocker. It's a lot easier on illegal streaming sites. I only watch crunchyroll on my tv. The computer browser is horrible.
Except, if you use an adblocker, you will get a message to disable adblock and you can't watch anime until you do so.
TheKrzysiek just get the kissanime ad blocker plugin
Honestly, anime studios utilizing things like Patreon should be waaaay more common practice. That's probably the best way you could speak with your money, and it would probably facilitate the production of more quality anime. I don't wanna feel like I'm just supporting the most popular shows on Crunchyroll by paying for a subscription. I don't want an excuse for another season of SAO.
Ashhahax Any Japanese studio that did, would be shamed out of the industry.
***** Obviously I don't think it would work if that's the only source of income, new studios would never receive enough funding. I just know that people (myself included) would love the option to contribute directly to a studio.
mattcgw Well, I guess we'll see what happens with Trigger. I don't really get the logic behind that, though, who would care? Other studios? Viewers?
According to an interview with the CEO of Crunchyroll in 2013, your subscription goes towards the shows that you watch, “If you watch just Naruto, your subscription money goes toward supporting that show. If you watch more than one show, the money is split proportionately among those shows depending on which ones you watch the most.”
patreonsucks.com > patreon.
Top 3 places to watch anime
3. In the livingroon with your mom
2. In work with the boss
1. In the bathroom where you can pop a bonner and not be afraid of it
If you're worrying about supporting a show.......
Buy merch
damn.. found u again :b
Teh Saile henlo
Do DVDs/Blu-Rays count as "merch," or not?
Zalis116 yeah. But like with all merch, theres a significant profit cut before the money makes it to the studio (as stated by digibro in the video)
I buy merch on ebay and mandarake though :-3c
At least nyaa came back from being dead.
Yessssss....
Cypher Caliban kind of, but not really.
Sir Gildo Nah its deff back alive...it's just a sprout right now instead of the huge tree it used to be....give it time to regrow and build its former glory
YoungDragon old Nyaa is forever dead bro. What we have now is clones of it. That's what I meant.
Sir Gildo yup.
I'm starting to think that the people running businesses nowadays either lack a fundamental understanding of economics, or don't understand how much the internet has thrown a wrench into it.
This. It feels like everyone who makes marketing decisions is over 60 and close to retirement, so they are too old to understand the modern society, and too close to the retirement to give a shit.
Octuplex Leaning more towards the latter than the former, if I had to guess.
Octuplex yup. It's the big wigs in the anime industry who only care about secure, old school revenue. It's like an old guy going "why should we build airplanes? These railroad tracks work perfectly well!"
And the funny thing is that other mediums like Gaming and etc have caught on it it YEARS AGO XD.
At least with gaming, we know where the money goes to!
The copyright system is outdated. When it was created, no one would have ever predicted the phenomenon that is the Internet. Why do I bring this up? Copyright laws are one of the main reasons for piracy.
gogoanime. kissanime website is too fucked
I use both.
Berserker Gogo's video quality is literally garbage.
9anime is also good
Masterani.me is good too
Kook Min Kim Is 9Anime back up now?I stopped going on it when the severs were constantly down
Finally an anime UA-camr who doesn't avoid mentioning Kissanime out of fear of losing respect from their shilling crunchyroll sponsor deals. Although since Kissanime lost its private servers and are relying on rapidvideo, openload etc, it's all about 9anime for me now.
He want to support the creators more than the distributors.
He don't have the way to do so.
He go to what's convenient.
The convenient is crunchyroll and piracy.
His solutions is crowd funding to studios.
Crowd funding can not be enough.
He just wants to have the option to donate money directly to every episode made.
Digi want every artist to make a patreon.
Go to the twitter of every artist you want to support and tell they to make a patreon.
profit.
Jefferson Estêvam go get to the top comments
Jefferson Estêvam +
Jefferson Estêvam that sounds harder than clicking a extra button or two on crunchyroll jeez people like digi fail will try any bs arguments yo get shit for free while pretending that's not what he's doing
I hope you realize digi earns almost $4000 from people who like his shit, why the fuck do you think anime studios would not get?
There is also a giant production company on UA-cam that gets money from people donating/sponsoring them. They're called
Rooster Teeth.
Don't lie, we all use KissAnime.
Mark Graham ehh I've switched to 9anime.
Mark Graham
Shuuuushhhh.
I mainly use gogo or just torents
Cyba can't use that shit, redirects me somewhere else every click
nah torrents is the way
The pedantic romantic link is super bunnyhops patreon
Zargy Studios
at least it's going to something useful
Get this comment to more upvotes so that Digi can see this and change it
Sebs_The_Xeno That won't work if you reveal it.
It was a joke, digi was talking about super bunnyhops patreon on twitter earlier
Davoo really knocked it out of the park on this one
ROFL
jack judge XDDDD
Sasuga Davoo
You got me chucklin bruv
What video?
To all the people mad about this video because they completely missed the point: People will pay the lowest amount for the best services, that's fucking capitalism.
Capitalism requires the rule of law to remove theft and fraud from the system. Bootleg streaming sites are not legitimate free-market competitors to legal streaming sites -- they are cheaters.
But you still have to give People a reason to use your legal site rather than piracy. Better quality or subtitles would be a reason, making good dubs. You could get deals that release shows earlier on your site, it's not ideal but what else is there.
Compared to other media anime is just too hard to watch since even when you know what you're looking for finding it is such a pain in the ass. Pirating anime is unusually high due to the lack of legitimate options.
Sure, legal options could be improved, but if you look at the "Original Source File" listed for videos on Kiss for recent anime, it's virtually always a HorribleSubs rip. Since HorribleSubs = 1:1 rips of legal streams, that means that these videos on Kiss:
1) Come out _after_ the legal streams go live (and those go up as soon after the JP broadcast as possible).
2) Have _worse_ video quality than the legal streams, since the HS videos go through a lossy re-encoding process to hardcode the subtitles.
3) Have _the exact same_ subtitle translations as the legal streams.
(As for dubs, they're rarely bad enough to turn dub viewers away, but are almost never good enough for sub purists, no matter what quality they are.)
While I know region locks are one reason for piracy, something like 30-35% of KA's traffic comes from the US, with another 5-10% from Japan -- two countries that're hardly underserved by legal options. A look at KA's Most Popular listing shows that all but a handful of the top ~300 are recent, well-known shows that're available on legal streaming sites. Some claim that piracy is a service problem, rather than a pricing problem. But it sure seems to me that a whole lot of people who *do* have legal options use KA simply because they don't want to pay subscription fees or wait a week and watch ads. Perhaps anime piracy is so prevalent because a huge swath of the anime -fandom- viewerbase feels entitled to free stuff and has adopted an anti-industry ideology to rationalize that entitlement. It's a cultural sickness.
Zalis116 no one is going to pay for Crunchyroll in the US if it doesn't support the creators of the shows they watch on it a lot.... why pay for something that supports and industry you don't want to support?
Who do you think is paying the creators to create the shows they watch? That's right, it's that reviled industry and the production committee system. If they don't make money, studios and animators don't get paid, end of story. But the greater question is, why do US anime viewers support the bootleg streaming industry, which pays *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* to the creators? Could it be because all this alleged concern for creators and animators is just a morally bankrupt smokescreen to disguise their desire for free stuff?
The money you pay to Crunchyroll doesn't go to every show on their site, just the shows you watch. www.otakujournalist.com/where-your-crunchyroll-dollars-really-go-an-interview-with-the-ceo/ Least according to the interview from a few years back. Who knows, maybe it changed or maybe I'm believing the blog to straight-forward, but it always made sense to me, and helped me feel better about paying for Crunchyroll.
Not ideal but 50% seems fair enough to me. At least in terms of making me feel good about paying for Crunchyroll. Out of curiosity, where did you get the stat from? Would like to have a new source to provide if this topic ever comes up again.
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Kohmata Reizno but I is to retarded to click a button or two and I no not get floor fee waaah watches illegally I support kiss Animu even dough I da use da adlock basically digibros video XD
So basically; "The more shows you watch, the less money the individual creators of the shows get"?
That's still completely useless.
Shpoovy what's more useless is zero from pirating sites but let me guess math is too hard for you
But wouldn't the problem with your suggested model be that a whole lot of people wouldn't donate anything because they rather watch a good show for free when nobody is forcing them to pay? And wouldn't that mean companies won't be able to refinance their products? I understand that such a concept might work for you personally but I highly doubt that it'd improve the situation of the anime industry.
You've got it completely backwards, in a way. People who would not donate to shows ALREADY AREN'T PAYING ANY MONEY TO ANYONE. Therefore, they would kind of freeload off those who pay the money, but that's fine. Donation is a matter of opinion - your donation means that you both think that show deserves the X amount of money for your enjoyment AND you have the money to pay it.
People who WOULD LIKE TO PAY (like me) or are ALREADY PAYING just want the money to go into the right hands.
I mean, think about this. A single episode of anime costs an average of $145,214 to fully produce. For a 12 episode show this is about 2 million USD dollars.
There is no possibility of failure - only anime that PEOPLE WANT TO SEE is going to be made. What happens now is that there is anime that FLUNKS. They spend the budget, the anime is crap, nobody watches it, they do not make return on investment, and the studio is in shambles. Look what happened to the last season's Sin: Nanatsu no Taizai.
If a production house ONLY MAKES AN ANIME every time there's about 2 million dollars donated to them, that means that's something people truly want to see animated.
Or you could have the animation production studio wait to get a million dollars and then produce the show, expecting more donations afterwards.
I mean, it is retardedly simple. You can combine funds from BEFORE making a show and after you air it to get your actual revenue and cover costs, it'd take a few years to find the right ratio (like, say you need 3 million dollars for a show and will start making it once 25% of the sum is collected), but this is INCOMPARABLY BETTER to what we have today.
Badly paid staff.
Badly made anime.
Anime nobody wants.
Hard to pay for what you really want.
This situation is absolutely wrong in every conceivable way and it can be fixed.
Welcome to 'Digi doesn't understand capitalism', where his 'donate at the end of the season' would likely kill half of his favourite studios but A-1 pictures, his white whale, would survive
It wouldn´t in the short term but it can in the long term. (at OP)
I don't think Digi truly believes that model would actually work in the real world. I think he was just saying that would be the ideal model for him as a consumer.
xBox360BENUTZER That's what I thought as well. It doesn't sound like a sustainable model which will "save" the anime industry.
Most of my watching is illegal streaming because most of my watched anime are not licensed or fairly old. In fact, from this issue I'm surprised so many people use legal streaming to this degree. Yes, the Netflix and Anime Strike issue sucks ass, but again, I'm not waiting months to watch a show nor am I handing out money to sites that lack shows I care about.
helko1 Well, whatever helps people sleep at night, I guess. I'm down for legal streaming when what's given is a well trade-off, but for most cases personally right now it offers very little benefit.
Some people have no choice other than to pirate the shows. There are many factors that play into this, ranging from money to availability and you can't really blame them for it. This is why sites like Kissanime are so popular. Although some people do try their best to support the official release in any way they can.
Nice Guy Fucking thank you. You have random people who think there is no reason for illegal streaming. Hell, a bunch of shows I have came across are never going to be licensed and predate the 2000's, so I have no choice. AnimeSols had to and because they were crowdfunding a few of these old titles and like Digi said, it just doesn't hold up.
"random people" *Miles intensifies*
WalkingGirlKoi Yeah its annoying when you have casuals looking down on other people that torrent when the only other option you have is paying hundreds of dollars for overpriced BDs that aren't even in english
Nice Guy Although KissAnime has been kinda "terrible" as of late. Don't know what they mean by that though.
Thomas Fernandez Kissanime has been pretty shitty with the website going down and the new "authorization" system.
Crunchyroll actually divvies up the money based on view count. Whether they're deciding the amount based on total view count or personal view count is kind of unclear.
And so is the amount of money, which realistically has to be laughably small for them to be profitable.
It is very small. There's other ways to give back. Better ways. Though there's still the whole matter of Japan paying their workers decent wages and scaling back the workload. That's an internal problem that I doubt we could fix outside of possibly Netflix. Though I'm not sure I trust Netflix to be that good if they become the main anime hub.
A lot of "little bits" add up if enough people contribute them. Anything times zero (AKA "what creators get from views on bootleg streaming sites") is zero.
If the President doesn't have to pay taxes, why should I pay for anime.
Checkmate Atheists.
*Digibro: I want to pay them not the middlemen!*
Couldn't have said it any better than that. Good video.
Digibro,
I agree with you on the fact that crowd-funding might be the wave of the future to best support the anime we like. And, of course, I agree that Netflix and Amazon should really drop out of the anime market... it is obvious to me that they are mostly concerned with getting more paying subscribers to their service, not provide a complete anime experience.
However, I'd have to disagree that streaming from places like kissanime is the best way to watch anime. I did some research a while back (so I don't have sources, sorry) about how legit anime-producing companies are paid. They are typically paid some amount of money per episode watched on the streaming website (crunchyroll, for example). The amount varies depending on the popularity of the anime and for business reasons, the information on exactly how much isn't readily available. It is not much, but even a low-end estimate that I found online was around 10 cents per episode.
This made me curious, so I looked at the view counter on kissanime for some typical run-of-the-mill show at the time. Over 10 million views (on that site alone, not including other streaming services or the torrent world). So, even a low estimate there is a potential 1 million dollars (per episode) that the producers of that anime are not getting. So... even if one person changing doesn't change much... I still think that it is important. After all, we are talking about millions of dollars.
To that end, I disagree with your premise that Crunchyroll support all anime. They only support (significantly) the anime that is watched frequently (all the way through, multiple times, etc). In other words, good anime gets more money because they have more views. After all, and I learned this from one of your earlier episodes, you can usually tell how good an anime is in the first 10 minutes of the show.
Also, as a side note, there is a Japanese-based company called Daisuki (website: www.daisuki.net/us/en/ ) that shows anime for free with commercials. I haven't researched them much since their website doesn't run on Linux (my operating system), but presumably it operates similar and at least brings the money to the right country.
So, that's my few cents. I'd be interested what you think because, I admit, I don't know very much about the topic... just what I read a few years back.
Great point. At least someone's offering a smart rebuttal that's not drowned in pointless cursing and character assassination.
Thanks! I hope that I'm not breaking any internet social norms by avoiding the cursing and character assassinations. :P
my issue (Besides not having a stable job) is that why would i pay for a streaming service when I'm only getting 1/3 of the shows i want to watch.
Arms98, that's true. I really wish that crunchyroll gave us all the anime too. It is quite disheartening to pay so much for so little.
In terms of that, here's my thoughts and conclusions. My primary goal is to make sure the groups making good anime get money. Makes sense, right? Support of good anime means more good anime. Crunchyroll, at this point in time, is the only way I know that I can do that... so that's why I support them. And, best of all, they offer anime for free with commercials. Not bad in my opinion... since it is just like watching OTA tv.
To that end, I admit that some anime simply can not be supported (without, as Digibro mentioned, buying expensive discs that are generally not desired). That might be the 2/3 of anime that isn't on crunchyroll (I omit Netflix and Amazon). I think it is reasonable to argue for streaming those 2/3 on websites like kissanime. Presumably, this would encourage crunchyroll (or Daisuki) to get more anime titles as well.
Then Crunchyroll is not necessarily financing good anime but popular anime. That's one of the problems I personally have with it.
I feel that it's better if a studio had their own website/patreon like Digibro said in the video. What he neglected to bring up was examples of this working such as The Little Witch Kickstarter, but most importantly companies like
Rooster Teeth who earn a good chunk of money from their sponsors who they also give exclusive content. There's many other animators, studios,and even reviewers who make a living off of crowd sourced money. So if studios where to implement a process similar to Rooster Teeth or Jim Sterling they could definitely succeed and get more money than any streaming or video service could offer them.
But as of right now Crunchyroll is the only sort of viable option.
The Pedantic Romantic's video link is wrong
That's the joke. Pedantic Romantic does this to other people in videos that he edits all the time.
Daymaster ohhhh. Ok I didn't know about the joke, thanks for the info!
"Nobody wants Blu-rays anymore" Speak for yourself.
Captain Kon'Doriano blu rays should drop in price but otherwise agreed blu rays are usually the only big profit Japanese companies get from the US
I buy blue ray combo packs with anime movies
nooberrific Bly ray prices can’t be helped to be honest because of the amount of people involved in putting together a blu ray
Yarr harr fiddle dee dee
Being a pirate is all right with me
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
You are a pirate!
Y'all are a bunch of nut balls. The best way to watch anime is through VHS cassettes.
As long as netflix continue to be massive fucking douche canoes, they don't get my money.
Bacon Catbug I'll stick come back just for Defenders&More Castlevania, Netflix has me by the balls on those 2
You can watch the top anime fights between team 10 and Faze on dramaalert
I found that I watched a lot more anime when I was watching it illegally as a teen. As an adult, I started exclusively watching all my anime legally due to convenience, but I found that I gradually started watching less. I've come to realize that I'm missing out on a lot of great shows out that aren't offered on Crunchyroll or Funimation
David Shang fucking same I didn’t even realize I was pirating that shit in high school
I watch my Anime on hentai haven
Too bad it shut down
@@olegna7405 I mean you can still watch some good "animes" on PH
@@yyello6072 eh kinda rare to find good henati on ph , or i just dont like it
Isn't back??
So basically, if streaming companies try to fuck with viewers it doesn't even matter because they'll just pirate and that doesn't even matter because the whole industry's system for making it's money is broken and retarded anyway.
Yes. It's their job to make people want their service.
Some how I knew this would be the stance you would take, ever since all these video's started popping I was waiting for you to come in with this "just pirate it bro, don't give a fuck".
Hentaihaven duh😑
Brace yourselves... Fornevertards are coming
Torrent the shows, import the blu rays if you think it's worth supporting. Done and done. Blu rays cost too much? Buy some merch from a good site. Ultra poor? Give some money to the animator dorm project to support the animators. Just don't give your money to western companies who will take a large chunk of your money and give you a poorer service.
Going by your logic, Netflix would be the only good company out there. Because they actually fund animes. For example, Little Witch Academia was funded entirely by them because so many people liked it on their site. And they've announced around 8 original animes that they themselves funded which will be exclusively Netflix. No airing in Japan, World Wide release.
Why do Japanese companies agree to contracts with these Western companies if they're getting ripped off? Western streaming and disc releases are avenues of consumption that the creators have allowed to happen, unlike torrents and bootleg streaming sites.
+Joey Carthew I see no problem the truth. Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, Amazon don't create their anime. Netflix is contributing most to the medium right now because they create their shows lol
Let me name you all the shows that are coming up that Netflix personally funded themselves: Devilman Crybaby, B: The Beginning, A.I.C.O Incarnation, Lost Song, Knights of the Zodiac: Saint Seiya, Baki, Sword Gai: The Animation. Netflix is the ONLY company that is doing this. Without Netflix, these shows that I've listed would NOT exist at all. All of these are Netflix originals.
FErgersonn THE GREAT are you that fucking stupid?!
An original would imply that they own the IP, when they don't.
Most of these are adaptions of preexisting IP's, saint Seiya is going to be CGI, FFS Netflix are being cheap bastards with their anime. Which as berserk showed has been incredibly well received by the community at large.
I dislike watching anime on anime sites bc of redirects so I just bought crunchyroll
Torrents are the way to go. If you put priority download on the first episode, you can watch it in less than a minute.
Boob Machine I'm not much of a fan of torrenting either, so it's honestly just going down to crunchyroll :P but thanks!
I went through Crunchyroll catalog and they have only about half of the show I have seen, I don't even watch all that obscure of shows very often...
>not torrenting safely
You deserve the letter then
+ZeNewDragon
Then i sue them for beacuse they can't do that in my country ?
You pay 10 dollars for crunchyroll. Who are you really paying for? It's not the people making the anime. That's for sure. You are basically paying for the sevice. Why would you even do that if the service is just as great if not better on kissanime? It boggles my mind. I want to pay for the anime for better service, quality, and directly to the people making the anime. If there isn't this option then there is no way I will ever spend my hard earned money to scumbags who are trying to rob me when there is a better alternative to that website that offers the experience and service...FOR FREEE. I hope there is a better way of dealing with this issue but as if now, anime looks like it's gonna fail for this very reason.
So it's okay for bootleg streaming sites like Kiss to make ad money as illegal middlemen, but legal services that pay Japanese companies for the rights to stream titles are "robbing" you? Seemslegit.bmp.
are they the ones taking money from me for no good reason?? no? O well i dont care what happens. and no these Japanese companies are not making any money, its the companies that are stealing the animes that are making money. If i am paying for the same exact service as the ad. Run website that has anime for free i will obviously go to the one that is free because i aint paying for it. I want to pay for better quality anime and not just the same one that i can get for free
Since i learned that paying crunchyroll or any other anime streaming service gives literally pennies to the studios and creators i just went straight to piracy idgaf anymore
Also, crunchyroll doesn't pay their translators.
The thing is, you have no data, and you did zero research about how cash flows in the Anime industry, so you are basically pulling shit out of your ass. I do agree that the industry should be better at catering to the audience. But the truth is disc sales (in Japan) do determine the success of the show, and the health of western streaming services determines if the anime industry actually cares about the West.
Just a quick side note, if i remember correctly if the show is successful, netlifx actually give double of the production cost. So in a way, the equivalent of donating to the show would be watching it complety, give it a good rating and share it to other people. (Altough i can no longer find the source so maybe it could be wrong)
And lets be honest, your model wouldn't work. It would just split the market and focus on the people with the big wallets, trying to maximise the profit. Seeing that most popular show ranges from things like psycho-pass to love live, your ideal way of supporting show would either reshape the anime landscape, or simply break it into getting the most generic and easy cash grab donating possible. (That means more ero manga sensei and less psycho-pass)
They probably don't do double, but they definitely at least cover the cost. General rule is that if they're distributing a series in all but one or two countries they're paying the cost of production.
This message is for Digibro go fuck yourself you dont even know the fuck you're talking about.
As a Creator, here is what I would do. Put my animation on the internet for free. On UA-cam, Vimeo, whatever. And then use any Avenue possible to bring in Revenue. Ads on the UA-cam video, a patreon page, direct donation links, selling Blu-rays or DVDs, merchandise... This works well for a lot of Internet creatives, but I don't know if it would be enough to support a entire Animation Studio.
9:35 you missed the opportunity to go "they can kiss my ass"
who the fuck watches anime on Netflix
I'm a bit confused. So what you're telling me is that after you've watched a 13 episode series for free, you get to decide whether you'll give them your money or not.
If this is what you meant, then that's like going into a movie theater for free and later on deciding whether you'll keep it or fork it for support.
Kai Mikoshi I go to the movies, pay for one movie and then just watch whatever I want after the first movie. I don't go out much. I often end up seeing movies I would never have seen in theaters.
I mean, that's basically how i watch my anime now. I watch it on crunchyroll or pirate it, and if i really liked it i'll probably buy the bluray (because i still like blurays). But the problem with that, as Digi points out, is that a lot of the money isn't going to the people who actually made the show.
More like you have to pay the person who let you into the cinema as opposed to giving the money to support the industry
Yep, if there were no employees blocking you from entering from free we would all go for free. It is wishful thinking to appeal to morals in the market.
Yeah, but he's still paying for the streaming service as well.
Another reason to love Crunchyroll:
They help support a lot of UA-camrs we love
Fuck the production committee system! Nevermind the fact that this system allowed most of digi's favorite show to get green lit, or ensures creators have constant work to do and keep many studios from closing down! Anime industry have to change!
The first fucking time any youtuber has named kissanime by name even though everyone thinks it
You paying for Netflix or Crunchyrole means that streaming companies will be more eager to buy the rights to shows of that same style/creators/genre and the companies that sponsor and own the studios will get more money. The companies getting more money will mean they will support the studios that made that successful show in order to get even more money. That studio getting more support will be incentivized to keep the creators and workers who made the show that got them the support, and the demand for those creators and workers will increase. Am I not getting something?
I shall use an anology. Imagine a painter you like makes cool paintings, but he only makes them for a rich, incredibly dickish homicidal slave owner who eats babies and only sell to people who will wall for miles to his castle on a mountain. And the artist continues to only distribute them through this method where the evil guy get's over 90% of the money and the artist is too stuck in his ways to do otherwise, do you think it's reasonable to pay to the guy ?
Wow. I think maybe the analogy of a cannibal murdering slave owner is a little much to describe the situation with streaming services. Anyway, if I stopped paying for the painter's work then the painter wouldn't get his ten percent cut and it would be to the painter's dentriment. For the painter, me paying is undeniably more favorable for him than not paying.
Josh Dahl Or you could sent the painter a letter saying: "Hey, you know you only get 10% of the money when you could be getting 100%, right?"
Yes, the painter could be getting a hundred percent of the profit. But that hundred percent might be less than the ten percent he was getting before. Most likely the painter doesn't have the skills, connections or resources to market and distribute his product. So the sum total of all the profit he makes on his own could very well be less than a tenth of what he makes with his partner.
I am afraid to say this isn´t how companies work. The company i am working at is doing really good atm on the global market and has a lion share but they still laid off hundreds of workers so they can outsource the work where it is cheaper. Now my department got the same treatment so that we are down to less then ten people and everyone of us has multiple hundreds of overtime hours. Last week we got personal sent down to us so that they can figure out how we can work more efficiently. I tell you this, there is no way you can cut down an average of 2 overtime hours a day with being more efficient.
I like the honesty of this video, which is also how most of us feel, lets be honest.
Explosivo 100 I actually thought the same thing xD
Nope, I didn't say that. For the few shows that there is no way to legally watch and the physical release are out of print, go crazy. You can't help it if you WANT to give them money, but they have no platform for you to do so. The problem is pirating shows that are already available to stream legally (and cheaply too).
How are figures and such less of a "moral grandstanding induced paperweight" than DVDs and Blu-Rays?
Compare KA's "Most Popular" list to the shows available at legal streaming sites, and you'll see a pretty substantial overlap. People are generally not going to KA for old/obscure titles that're unavailable on legal sites, they're going there to avoid paying subscription fees and watching ads -- because they want free stuff. (inb4 "region locks" -- ~35% of KA's traffic is from the US, how do region locks explain _that?_)
And I lament the regrettable attitude that art, music and other entertainment was only ever worth the paper, plastic, magnetic tape, canvas, or whatever else it was reproduced on. And that "no physical object sold/lost" has turned into open season for misappropriation.
I live in spain, fuck crunchyroll.
If quality is your main concern:
1. Buy the bluray OR
2. Pirate it and watch with a good player.
Ignoring the obvious advantage of being free, the actual streaming sites have an inferior quality to something like HorribleSubs, not to mention groups with more competent encoding.
Unlike Digibro I'm a huge stickler for quality and I'm not paying for something that's an inferior service to something that pirates offer.
Streaming is pleb shit. If you get offended by this, reconsider your priorities in life.
KissAnime, watch high quality anime online.
*Bad graphics and keeps buffering*
Legal sights.
Not illegally.
End of discussion. You should be ashamed of yourself. Give back to what you love. Im throwing my money at legal sights because first, i aint no criminal pirate. Second, i want to support the animes i love. Even if it 0.01 percent of the $7 i pay.
Your a cancer. Your what's wrong here. I HOPE crunchyroll does NOT sponsor you nor any other legal site.
You are biting the hand that feeds you.
Digibro: Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.
Seems like the title of the video should've been "Why Should We Bother Watching Anime Legally?"
I should watch it on a paying site, but I need money.
You don't have $5-8 per month? Eat like one less sandwhich.
According to CR Germany, 50% goes *directly* to the Anime Studios (depending on what you watched on CR). For example, if all you watched in a month was Naruto, then 50% of the subscription fee (2.50€ in my case) goes to Studio Pierrot. That's all they told me when I asked.
Agh, thank you!
This is my exact problem with anime. Outside of buying physical goods, of which I don't want the clutter, there simply isn't any good digital means to pay for/support anime. Not without having to go through some fucking middle man, of whom I don't know what they do, have a bad business model, provide a mediocre service at best, and in which I can't even tell if my money is actually supporting the anime I watch.
If the anime studios just had a fucking patreon account or some other kind of crowd funding source then I would happily throw money at them, regardless if I got anything out of it. But that's just not a fucking option, and it drive me nuts.
3:31 "If they're not giving me what I want, they're not getting my money."
It occurs to me that those offering more legal sources of anime can in some cases be framing moral security as part of a project. Only, they're doing it in a way that doesn't really correlate with ethics. They're like "Non-GMO" bananas to health people but they're anime streams for the legally insecure.
Anybody else watch Forneverworlds vid and came here to see what all the fuss is about?
I am. Forneverworld's video was retarded.
*+DzoD Nick* Who, me?
Jason Skywalker I respect your opinion but I can also understand forneverworld's issue with him.
Since I watch anime on 9anime and other sites , I can't really speak my mind on this. It would make me a hypocrite so I'll just end it on that.
Fornever made a good point in my opinion that's all.
ya
Dragon Ball Black yeah
The budget is the money people who are making the show get as their salary. Back in 1998 or something, in an interview about the success of Ocarina Of Time, Shigeru Miyamoto said that he didn't get any extra money besides his usual monthly nintendo employee salary, regardless of the game becoming a smash hit. He said he wished everyone who liked the game could give him at least a dollar, if we overestimate that only a half of people who bought the game would be willing to give just an extra dollar for ol' Shiggy, he would get rightfully deserved 3.8 million dollars. God bless Steam and self publishing!
There was a similar problem for the music industry for a while. The only way to get certain songs was to buy an entire album of stuff you didn't want, just to get the one. Then it was super restricted with how you could share it, and thus many people just resorted to piracy. Apple/Steve Jobs came along, and made iTunes, and Steve Jobs did something important: He beat free. iTunes was more convenient and of better quality than the piracy sites at the time, and thus iTunes exploded into popularity. The only ones unhappy about this were a few artists miffed about the fact that they could no longer force someone to buy an entire album in order to get one song. I think something similar could be done here, it's just that as you said, the current services suck.
One annoyance I have is that Aniplex seems to think that pirating websites don't exist, which is why they think they can get away with selling their dubbed DVDs of Kill La Kill at a rate of about $12 per episode. Yeah, very few people are going to do that.
Man this is why you've rapidly became one of my top favorite anime youtubers. You aren't a sellout who constantly ads like other youtubers and how "hey guys you should support Crunchyroll and other legal anime sites because of this this this and this" as they have their pockets full of money those sites obviously gave them
Totally not talking about Mother's Basement though.
Continue doing a good job. Never change, Digi, never change.
He's totally not a shill in terms of demanding money for variable content and awareness, to say nothing of him practically doing what the Japanese model is: churn out as much as possible and hope some of it sticks and the work is worth it in payment.
Digi is far too optimistic about the idea of 'internet liberation'. You will *never* get to the point of one-to-one, production company receives 100% unless said production company is a literal conglomerate. Business aspects exist because there's a whole lot more steps than people realize in between creation and consumer, and that is not going to vanish simply because the enthusiast base grows. Things can better, of course, but you cannot escape this chain. Short of literally mailing money to a studio's doorstep, you will never get what you want in terms of direct renumeration.
Or if he just goes to Japan and contributes more directly rather than indirectly in a foreign market
Sure, that's more direct, but he's still up against certain structures that will not allow him to do what he wants. That will never be a sustainable model because there's so many aspects of business that a creative company cannot handle by themselves and continue to do what they do.
In short, naive passion against harsh reality and structures that have existed long before the millennial age fans (myself included technically, late 80s kid)
It's almost like he thinks every anime studio does their own work rather than oftentimes doing support work for other studios probably half the time or more until they can take a risk and do something of their own
Well I meant that more in the sense of distribution and licensing. These are the 'middle men' Digi are talking about. They are necessary because these studios are not set up to deal with that sort of overhead.
You do realize Trigger was raising funds for Little Witch Academia, and successfully created an anime that way, they got their funds in 6 hours? They are now raising the funds for Little Witch Academia 2!
I mean, literally every argument you have flies out the window the moment people successfully pull this shit off. And they have. What excuse do other studios have?
None. It is literally possible to collect funds both before and after, all on the basis of good will, and produce a fucking anime. Trigger did it.
His position is so contrived. At first he says Crunchy roll costs very little, when he says he doesn't want to subsidize all anime industry. And even the premise that creators don't see that money is not true. For legal streaming services, the royalties make up the wast majority of expenses.
And his solution is beyond naive. Sure, some will pay. but many will not. Look at the game mods. Nobody donates for them. Pretty much the only model that works is crowdfunding, that is asking for money with a promise that content will be made.
Finally, what makes you think those artsy types are good at business? What makes you think they can put together aything as good as or better than crunchyroll or netflix or whatever? Look at how many artists mismanage kickstarters, let alone sink whole companies when they indulge in their fantasies. I'm not condoning the monkeys that run current flawed services, but it would be even worse. Hence why those middlemen serve a function. It's nonsensical to poo poo current streaming platforms just because you find the idea of middlemen abhorrent.
I don't think he knows how any of this actually works. I think a law student or a business student should review this video and see what they actually think.
Well fuck this isnt that bad
I just pirate everything and then purchase the blu-rays of whatever shows I enjoy, it's the best way to support the industry imo.
In the case of Netflix and Little Witch, I'm fine with the thought of streaming it on kissanime because I already have a Netflix subscription, Netflix is still getting my money whether I watch it on their service or not. And the companies they pay to put that show on their service are still getting the licence fee.
If this results in Netflix deciding to stop buying anime licences then so be it, the show will just be picked up by another streaming service, probably Crunchyroll.
i just buy bluray\dvds for the shows i like when i can
Dear Amazon and Netflix
Please fuck off
Or get your shit straight
Love, anime comunity
( if the comunity even exists anymore)
Haha I love correcting the subs too.
Being multilingual is fun!
If you don't live in America you're going to be pirating weather you like it or not.
I honestly don't get what you're complaining about here? You want to suppport companies but not through the "Middle-men" - but that's how a company makes it money? They make it off blu-ray sales, sponsorships and merch sales - having a "How much did you think this was worth" donation strategy is the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard - because while you might think it was worth 50 bucks - half the people watching it will go "I think it was worth one penny" and just got 20 episodes for that amount, probably because the average anime fan's parents won't notice a penny on their credit card. I kid... I kid. my parents would totally notice that...
In my opinion if Digibro's system of paying for anime existed there would never be any anime ever again, because a) it wouldn't make any money possibly and b) he trivializes roles other than the director, animator, and seiyu.
Well unfortunately the production company makes the anime real, and often it's simply a one off business agreement between a bunch of merchandizers, a studio, and a publisher, or whatever. I'm sure we've all seen that graph of payscales from the anime industry with SHIROBAKO characters. The industry by and large does not care about your favorite director or animator, and unless your seiyu is top tier they aren't getting money either.
Digibro will never have a system he wants. That is not how the anime machine works. And I feel quite strongly that no matter how much we like anime, how legal we want it to be, the machine will never work that way.
My philosophy, if it's on crunchyroll, I'll watch it there. If not, I'll look elsewhere.
So much this.
Just show the shows online and have like 5 adds in every video 1 in the beginning 2 in the middle and 2 more in the end there. You make your money and everyone supports the show.
I agree with you 100%. Fuck CR, they fool people into thinking they actually support anime studios, fucking hacks. (I hate CR, don't mind me too much).
HIS NAME IS DIGIBRO, AND HE'S GONNA BE THE KING OF THE PIRATES...
There are a lot of anime websites in spanish that are pretty good (and free) like animeyt, jkanime, animeflv and so on. But personally I prefer torrenting.
This comment coming from a person with no money lol
It's illegal tho
>not using animebytes
Plebs. All of you.
Finally someone who gets it.Somebody understands my mindset when trying to buy anime.When I'm buying I'm not supporting the creators I'm just feeding this horrible system that needs to be changed
9anime is the new Kissanime
netflix: not very much anime
funymation: doesn't work on my laptop
anime strike: blocket by amazone
kissanime: can't watch because of internet security
crunchyroll: YAAAASSSSS::::::)))))
but still.... only cruchyroll is not enough for me... ::::((((
I'm glad you talked about the legal streaming subject
There are many misconceptions about supporting the industry and many people don't realize that the studios barley make any money out of the international audience due to the fucked up system chain from the studio to the streaming site
How much money do the studios make from downloads and bootleg streaming sites?
Zalis116 not much I guess..
Just like their profits from anime strike service...
Zalis116 plenty if the pirates love the show enough to buy. Look into pirates. They're interesting and very ironic. I'm reading about them but by bit now.
That's a big "IF" there. Conditional revenue is exactly the same as "no revenue at all," until people actually buy stuff. And generally, if a show's available to buy, it's available for legal streaming as well, so what's stopping viewers from doing their "try before you buy" discovery legally? I know pirates; I am one, and I've participated in multiple sides of the downloading scene, from downloading for myself, to re-distributing files, to translating/subbing. While I've bought a lot of DVDs and Blu-Rays over the years, I know I'm an outlier. There's a thread on famed torrent site BakaBT about anime/merchandise collections, and it's had maybe a dozen and a half people posting on it for the last 3 years.
Convention attendance keeps going up, shows get millions of views on KA and presumably other bootleg streaming sites, and yet most shows struggle to sell more than a few thousand discs, if they're lucky. "But what about merch?" Most shows don't have legitimate merchandise available outside Japan, and I find it hard to believe that all of these "I'm too young/poor to get a CR subscription" viewers (though why they can't wait a week and watch for free with ads is a mystery) are importing from Japan.
An interesting economic model for anime;
>You have some sort of streaming site that hosts a whole bunch of anime
>When you sign up you decide how much money you want to spend on anime in the near future
>That amount becomes your streaming currency
>Every time you want to watch an episode of something you pay a small price to 'unlock' that episode
>Note: The 'streaming currency' is just to soften the paywall
>This way you only ever pay for episodes you want to watch
>And any show you drop will no longer affect your total cost of anime watching
*Make it so that you pay halfway through an episode (so you don't get trapped into paying for something shit)
What I think this model would bring is the ability for people to only ever pay for what they want and, provided that the money spent is shared correctly, the anime people enjoy the most will become better funded in general. An extension of this would be the data which shows are most popular and how much money they make, helping to provide anime studios with information about their demographics.
Obvious additions to this sort of service would be things like 'Season Passes' for hardcore viewers who watch everything, donation boxes like Digi suggested, and advertising merchandise on the site itself in addition to a donations box.
Thoughts, counter-suggestions, additions?? Some economics professor feel free to show how this model sucks 0.0
I think it works pretty well. It would help bring in newcomers to watch anime, although free trials also provide that service.
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this could work well, but tbh the first few episodes should really be free.
leizhin uses this modell as well and ppl are buying it so it has potential.
not me because i have some issues with it
why cant i buy all chapters on a discounted price
why arent the nsfw comics not in the app
why are the pages taking longer to load than on the pirated ones
why would you expect me to pay money for it
basically "provide me a better service than the pirates with a more convenient price"
Obsucuria I agree free trials are universally expected and concerning quality, that's the job of the uploaders to provide a quality product. In my mind this sort of site would be hosted by the anime studios/network so that the product we get is equivalent to what is aired and the revenue goes back to the studios. Obviously this is completely ideological but that's the general gist.
9anime has autoplay and is free. SOoooooo :')
and it doesn't have that gay bot identification shit like kissanime.
and it doesn’t give me 200 porn pop ups every time i click something.
If you can't watch it legaly (or you doesnt want to use certain services), DOWNLOAD IT DIRECTLY FROM SOME FANSUB (or pirate the english BD/DVD release... only if you feel the dub (or the translation) may be good), DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO THIEVES, althougt you aren't paying anything.
Also, if you can't stand low quality video (it's my actual reason to not watch anything in illegal sites) is the only free alternative.
I use Otakustream instead of Kissanime, since KIssanime is very overzealous with adds and popups, even if I have multiple add blocks on. It's one of the only websites that does that. Aside from that, I use Amazon Prime and Netflix since I already have those for live action and movies and because I purchase things online. I don't have Crunchyroll/VRV because the service is terrible for me: the subtitles are janky or don't work half the time, and the video quality is very inconsistent and rarely stays at 1080p even though I have amazing internet.
No matter where i watch anime, its always free and illegal.
I have Netflix but I'm not going to wait when it's airing now. From what I remember crunchy has shit video quality so I'll pass. I don't really use kissanime because it doesn't work on the PS4 browser so I use 9anime instead and it is a great site. I just rather watch it off of 9anime instead.
navioner Crunchyroll shit video quality? Almost all the series are on 1080
PLUS theres an app for the service on PSN
But Im not arguing for those things. I prefer otakustream cause it streams pretty well
if anything cr has the best video quality.... bro 1080 on everything
You made several great points in this video.
The main problem for me is that the paid services often offer LESS than the free ones. Why pay 10 dollars a month for Netflix, which doesn't do simulcasting, when you can use kissanime which DOES do simulcasting AND is free?
The paid services are supposed to offer MORE not LESS. Because not only are illegal streaming sites free, but they're often more convinient AND have more to offer.
Crunchyroll may be a good choice because it offers you plenty of anime with no obnoxious pop ups and ads unlike illegal services (with premium atleast) but there's also the fact that Crunchyroll has very few dubs. Some anime have great dubs, but chances are, Crunchyroll won't have it. Illegal streaming sites always provide both sub and dub. Then theres the fact that some anime arent available in certain countries, yet sites like kissanime will have it available in all countries. On top of all of that, yet again, it's free.
It's ironic that you often pay to get less content rather than more. It's practically rewarding people for using the illegal sites. If you pay, you should get more. Not less.
You have no idea how anything works if you genuinely believe that "After we've sunk millions of dollars into producing this anime for you, please give us some undefined amount of money entirely determined by your discretion, and it's entirely optional and only pay us if you thought it was good" is a business model that could possibly function.
This is a model that works pretty great for your UA-cam videos. But imagine it took you a year, hundreds of hours of labor, and a million bucks to make even a single video on your channel. The model you currently use would not possibly be able to sustain that
i use vrv
VRV is starting to get traction.
Josha Bonsu waddaya mean?
ReesesPuffs777 not available in my region D:
Same. The 10 bucks a month for everything from crunchyroll and funimation along with a ton of extra live action and animated shows and movies. Vrv is about to blow up