CONVERTED To Open BELT Primary FOOT CLUTCH & Suicide/JOCKEY SHIFT On 1979 HARLY Davidson SHOVELHEAD
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2023
- Decided to do the inconvenient thing and convert my 1979 Harley Davidson Shovelhead to and open belt primary with a foot clutch and suicide/jockey shift motorcycle.
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I have a similar setup on my Shovel.
One secret is to make sure your clutch pedal is positioned so your foot can be securely on the footpeg when using the clutch and you just rock the angle of your foot on the peg to operate the clutch. A big mistake is to set up the clutch so your foot has to be OFF the peg to use the clutch, I've seen a few guys do it like that until they learned better lol.
I converted my Roadstar to foot clutch/jockey shift. Thought it was cool but after several rides I realized just how dangerous it really is. After a couple close calls (panic situations) it definitely lost it's novelty. Two legs on the ground is definitely better than one.
Scooter needs his own channel so we can see all the cool stuff he's got going on
Back on a bike after 20yr absence. Got an old FLH with evo motor. To slow myself down (skill no longer matches old riding habits) I’ve gone with a jockey shift setup and I’m lovin it. I find that I’m totally involved in every ride and every ride is an adventure…whether I want one or not (lol). To slow down the clutch engagement I played a lot with the location of the linkage connection on the pedal. By moving the attachment point closer to the pivot the length of pedal sweep during engagement increased. Took a bit of fiddling about but optimizing the stroke and position of the pedal really made it more fun to ride.
Much respect, Saddle Tramp!! That's awesome.
Very cool mod there Tramp. Reminds me of my early days. I learned to ride on a 42 "45", hand shift foot clutch. But the clutch was a stay put rocker clutch. So a bit different. That was my own bike. I rode everything my friends would let me on. My first ride on a Triumph was a right side foot shift. Same as the early Harley Sportsters, and K models. I learned to adjust to what ever I rode in minutes back in the 50's. Anyway, thanks for sharing your story. Once you get the sequence down you will be able to start that thing with one or two kicks. My old flat head would start on one or two kicks almost all the time. But they only had like 6.5 to 1 compression.
Watching you kick start the bike is the reason I love my electric start
I hear ya
Good video I am 71 years old and still ride motorcycle I no longer price Harley-Davidson to expensive too many problems so I took half Harley front wheel rear wheel Springer daughter rigid frame and put a 650 XL Yamaha motor in it and I even put a suicide clutch and it's got a rigid with a strip meal while to figure it out haven't rode bikes in a long time enjoy the video and the Motorcycle I know right is a very difficult one but I am learning thanks for the video old school dangerous but that's all we live
I dig your your honesty. I like the fact you don't hide much, even when you don't show us what you do you talk about little lishaps or things that go wrong. I think this was a win. The shifter works better, and all you need to do is get used to the clutch. Awsome content glad I have the time for youtube and can check out your videos again. Keep up the great work
Hey thanks, man. Always good to see you!
1979 you say,heck I was only 11 years old then. Love the sound when you flip back and close throttle.👍🏼
Mad respect to you for going backward. It's a rare few who still operate Jocky Shift Bikes. You are now officially in the history books and one of the OG Harley guys... Might be a couple of decades later, but that doesn't matter. Stay focused and it will become second nature to you. Lean Right when you stop....
Thanks, man!
i got rid of all the extra links on angels cow pie tranny on her shovel when i did the shift setup. i'm doing a jocky shift on the 78 but keeping the closed primary and button start. it has a ratchet top. i admire your sence of adventure. kick only and jockey shift all in one go. keep lookin' up.
bill
The first motorcycle (a 1950 FL) that I rode had a tank shift (shift gate) and a rocker clutch. I also rode a pre-WWII Knuck with a suicide clutch and jockey shift. It took me a little time to get accustomed to that clutch/shift setup. After a few days, actuating the clutch and shifting gears was as easy as falling off a log. I didn't have any real problems except sitting at a stop light or stop sign on a steep hill. I didn't run a front brake. Have fun. Be safe. -- W
Glad you did this Saddle Tramp. I'm thinking of doing this to my shovelhead. Keep up the good work brother. Make sure you keep the videos coming. I appreciate the fact that there's a fellow believer in Jesus who rides some righteous iron. It goes to show that just because we're Christians doesn't mean we have to be boring. I believe the Lord Jesus would've ridden a chopper if he could have.
Peace Bro.
Awesome job there brother !!!!!! You have to experiment with different adaptions in order to create your one of a kind build !!!!!! Thanks again brother !!!!! God bless 🙏
It looks like it was a blessing in disguise when that tree took care of your old garage. I can't even imagine you being able to get this many projects going inside the old place. Sometimes we need a little disaster in our lives so we can keep moving forward. 🤔 Plus, Scotty will have a bigger bedroom next time he visits.😅
I used to have to move bikes out of the old shop just to get things done. Plus Scotty's been here a couple of times already.
Good to see you back!
Proud of you drummer, I knew one day you would ride that ole Shovel head grinnin ear to ear!
It’s a good feeling when you realize ,, you have conquered it.
Ride safe and God Bless
I switched to foot clutch jockey last week and have had no front brake for a year or so. The learning curve took a day or two. It’s such a blast to ride and I’m glad you’re doing the same. Thanks for the video bud and have fun.
According to the poster when you have no front brake, it's called a suicide clutch, not a foot clutch. I actually think it's a suicide clutch no matter what, and the shifter is called a jockey shift, not a suicide shift.
I don’t know what poster your referring to but slang for “suicide shift” is just jockey shift. The suicide part is a myth from lurching out into traffic. When in reality your bike just stalls. Idk 🤷♂️ I call it jockey shift.
the suicide part is having no front brake@@zachegelhoff4783
no front brake what a boring and dangerous ride@@zachegelhoff4783
Totally cool Tramp! Stepping up the game. Much respect
Oh how cool, looks great! I love that you took us along the ride with ur commentary in the moment on the maiden voyage!! So real looks super fun!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice bro!!! Dang dude u get my gears turnin! Thanks brother. I've actually never witnessed anything like this before. Just started the vid, watching now!
I always wanted to ride a foot clutch jockey shift. Very cool. I had a 72 super Glide but never converted it. Safe travels 🙏🏻
Ain't nothing like a foot clutch , jockey shift!! Kickass man
Except a ratchet top you don't have to think about it as much
Nice, I'd like to try riding a set up like that. Great vid brother keep them coming, we always enjoy the vids no matter what it's about.
so cool, welcome to the club, foot clutch 'n jocky shift, i'm only at 11 minuites, nice ride...
Awl man Tramp!!! You’ve out done yourself, once again!!!! This was an awesome video!!! I loved it!!! And obviously so did everyone else!!! Good job and good luck!!! So cool. You’ll be used to it in no time!!!!!
Thank you, Slick!
been watching but not comm for a while, but love the jockey stick, cannot wait to see u ride it.
Corey, it's so good to see what you're up to. That bike is definitely personalized to you because who else would be able to figure it out. I guess that means it won't get stolen anytime soon. You be good to yourself. Thanks for Sharing!
Thanks, Craig. I figure the benefit would be if anyone were to go and try to ride off on it, they'd probably kill themselves.
Hope you have a great week. Ride Safe.@@SaddleTrampTV
I am running the same set up. If you don’t like the gear level configuration you can weld a 13/16 socket to use as a spacer. Thats what i did and man is it in the perfect location.
Also turn to the handlebars to the left when youre stopping.
I can send pics if you like. Happy to help!
Awesome vids saddletramp👍
Tramp real nice job brother I'm doing same on my 68 triumph chopper not easy but you give me faith all things can be done with some thought and patience
Sounds good, man!
I thought about doing this on mine, but man, too nervous about it to do it. Fun watching you!
Very cool to see it working man. Your going to have a blast.
Lets hope!
I put a ‘30s style rock a bye foot clutch on a 95 softail with a hand shift. That was so much fun to ride! Miss that scoot!!
That's pretty dang cool 💯🤘
Thats a real harley...awesome job man....tatro would be proud!. He'd like that one man....
Dude I love it! Good luck with that foot clutch and keep the rubber side down!
I think it is very cool. You will get used to it. You have a good head for working things out. Stay safe buddy.
Ride on! That's awesome brother! Shiney side up bro 🤙🇳🇿
Thanks man!
Hahaha man thats awesome 👏 This video makes me so happy actually and almost makes me want to covert my shovel 😅 Luckily though my dad will be doing the jockey shift thing on his own shovel so I'll get some practicing in on that and don't HAVE to convert mine 😏
Also still feel that same sense of joy that I get when my one bike finally starts after a struggle by watching others get theirs going finally after too many kicks hahah
Good vid Corey! Hope you're having fun with the new setup!
It's a blast! The biggest perk is that I don't ever have to worry about someone stealing my motorcycle when it's parked in a parking lot. Even if they do get it started, they'll more than likely kill themselves trying to take off. Lol
@@SaddleTrampTV Thats awesome 😂
Looks like fun.
now that's super cool 🎉
Very cool video love the bike
Great stuff!! Well done.
Thanks!
Awesome! 👍
Love it. I think your Shovelhead is way cool, bravo!
Thanks so much, Cody!
My hats off to ya. I had a brother that rode a ridged with a 8 over wide glide, suicide shift with no front brake. 🤣
Hey that's a Great looking set-up.
I'd like to tell you a short story here, I was getting a Bultaco racing bike set-up for a friend one day many moons ago. While I was working on the bike another friend kept ask me to let him ride the bike, my answer was always the same, NO it's not my bike. Finally two things happen at once, I finish the bike, and the owner came in to the shop at the same time.
The other friend (Jeff) was still there, when running up to the owner and begged him to ride the bike, (Richard) said Ok Jeff.
I known Jeff all of his life, and I know he had never rode a Bultaco before, (Bull's have a right foot shifter) and I reminded Jeff of that, he just looked at me and said I Know that. He put the bike in first, hit the gas, and lees than 100 feet later, ran into a Staircase Landing. Completely totaling the front end of that Bike. As I watch this, Jeff was stomping on the gear shifter like a mad man, he had done forgotten what he was ridding.
Cory Man you've got a lot of bikes, So Man don't never forget which one your riding.
Always ride safe my Friend
I've considered that. Thanks
Thanks Man. Great vid. Don’t miss those days though. Crowd watching, will she start? Guess I’ll have another beer!
Good luck with your jockey shift!
I knew a guy had an old trumpet that he chopped. Man he would remake that bike almost every month,to include paint.
Ive thought about belt drive primary on my electraglide just to quiet down the rattle of the chain. But it aint broke, soooo
watching him kick that bike reminds me of a story i heard about early 70's and late 60's biker movies with cali club. they would get ready to shoot the bikes moving, they would kick them for about a minute or 2 then say hey man wont start. my knees would be screaming. great video.
Cool project! I have a twin cam and an M8 (both touring bikes). I now think I want an old school cool chopper and I'm leaning shovel head. A 79 would be cool since that was the year I was born! Love the content from you bro, keep it coming as you can. God Bless
Go for it, man!
Good video and I'm happy to see your shovel undergoing a "devolution."
My first Harley was what was left of a '51 Panhead with the real suicide setup,(rebound clutch pedal, jockey shift, and no front brake,) and it was a kick in the ass to ride
For years I've been wanting to convert my '72 ElectraGlide to a tank shift/foot clutch setup, and since I'm in the middle of restoring it, it's an opportune time.
I've had the bike since 1980, and 6yrs ago I finally warmed up to the Evo enough to buy a '97 WideGlide to give it a break.
Thanks for posting this and ride safe.👍
"A kick in the ass to ride" That's too funny. I like that. Hey man... If you want to that bad, the opportunity is there.
@@SaddleTrampTV
What added to the "kick in the ass" was that it was a rigid, and 3wks after I got it, I had to go to a doctor because I developed a cyst on my tailbone.
No more rigids for me after that.
Yeah, I know I'm a soft ass, but as many miles as I logged in the saddle when I was younger, I needed every advantage I could get.
Ride safe.👍
LOL! After riding for years with a hand clutch, I got myself a '55 Panhead with a jockey shift and a 2" open belt drive. There is a bit of a learning curve, to say the least! Me and the Pan are still 'getting to know each other'. Get good at it and you'll earn your own 'street cred'! Like an old friend used to always say about jockey shifts: "It separates the men from the boys!" 👍😎
Gotta remember, it's called a suicide clutch for a reason. Been there done that, don't want to go back (in today's traffic). Guess I've gotten old and soft. Keep rollin' and taking us along!
It's only a suicide clutch if you have no front brake. Then you become an extra careful rider.
I have a 79 shovel flh that has high mids foot clutch jockey shift. Love it. You’ll love it when you get to a hill. Bike looks great.
That's why I kept my front brake.
@@SaddleTrampTV I’m running no front brake. I’m running a 4 under springer.
Just finished watching " Best spring motorcycle rally?"..premiered June 26,2023 and guess who I saw at 1:59 timeline sitting in the lobby listening to something to pass the rainy day?!!! ...with Riding In The Ozarks.....
looks like fun mate..... job well done cheers
Thanks, man!
I love jockey shift.
I've been driving a old pan like that for 40 years , it certainly increases the danger factor !
An old style rocker clutch as mentioned earlier would make it much safer especially with an open primary/meat grinder so be careful getting used to it.
Been riding that way for 36 years with no front brakes you get used to it pretty quick . You will learn to love it .
That's the plan
@@SaddleTrampTV to dump the front brakes ? I put a line-lock on the rear for hills and traffic if you go that route.
@@hardtailsuicidaljockey6827 No. I plan on getting use to it. The brakes are crap enough to not dump the front brakes.
Love it!! Nothing like riding a jockey shift. Now give us a wheelie video!!! 😂
Coming soon! Only as a blooper though.
That’s pretty cool Corey, I did the same thing to a 1978 1200 FLH, but what I found was during a awe shit moments, “I was searching for my hand clutch, I ran with the foot clutch for a few years and converted it back to hand clutch and kept the bike kick start only. Now my next up grade is a Morris M-5 magneto, for some reason owning a Shovelhead…..I can’t leave well enough alone 😂
Ride safe my friend 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It's part of the territory for all shovel owners. Can't stop tinkering.
Looks cool , might as well see what it’s about .
I've always wanted to try a foot clutch/hand shift. Well done!
(and I'm also from Australia!)
Good deal! Small world isn't it?
Never have I and never do I want to ride a suicide shift. Props for making work though. Stay safe.
My 75 FLH came from the factory with a tank shift and rocker clutch . That's the safe setup. Now I knew a guy that we called Stubs. That all he hand for fingers on his left hand. Open primary got him.
I think you got that cold engine kick procedure kinda backwards. Iggy off, choke closed, 2 or 3 prime kicks. That actually primes the jugs with fresh rich mix (like dipping your mower plug in gas). Choke open, iggy on, somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 throttle (air to breathe), "kick it like kicking a dog" (follow through with gusto beyond "straight down"). Your carb/iggy combo might prefer a variation, but that's the classic kick sequence.
Its basically "purge spiders/add rich mix" key off, "let the puppy pant" key on. As the prime kicks are full rich, try not to squirt too much accel pump go juice key on, so she doesnt flood (though a throttle pump between prime kicks could be a "magic bullet", lol).
I am interested in doing that. I would probably also include a Recluse clutch. I have a friend with a disabled left arm the Recluse clutch seems to work well for him.
I'd try shift on tank like old pans ..rocker clutch ..
Well done 👍👍👍
Nice shifter and foot clutch has to be a challenge good luck I think it looks cool that way.
It's a challenge the first time.
LOL, Okay, now, Cory, you now can be certified. We'll be getting your padded room ready!
Lol
Wow!
I put jockey shift on a 2004 FXDWG. Always helps to shift into neutral when coming to stop lights. And really try to not stop on hills.
I find that helpful too.
I make al my bikes kick only and have a few hand shifters. Recently i installed a rocker clutch setup on one of them and its so more nice and easier shifting, taking off as the regular pedal!! With the rocker clutch it is much more like how you do it in the car and for a stop your clutch stays engaged when you have your foot off :). Gonna swap en all fo a rocker
Nice!
I dont think i could ride a bike set up like that 😂 i would have ended up in those fields 😂 ride it safe man great vlog again
I hear ya. I kinda felt like I was Peewee Herman about to crash into the billboard when I first took off. Lol
Yay!
The brass intake clamps , work for your starting issue . Check them out ...
My shovel always leaps forward when I drop it in first gear. Grab the front brake and hold on. So good thing you got front brakes. You will need it with that set up. Good luck and be careful. I still try to shift on right sometimes cause I have a right side shift iron. Muscle memory.
Yeah, I wasn't going to go that route without front brakes.
Might try a heel and toe pedal for clutch. Heard they have better control on take off.
I said "What have I got myself into?!" when I bought my Vmax, for obvious reasons. Never with my Sportster though! Never had a jockey shift, either...
GOOD JOB BROTHER !!! You will get used to it before long !
👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸⚓️😎
Lets hope!
@@SaddleTrampTV just keep that Kill switch in muscle memory haha
Nice
I have run a set-up like that. Always tap the tranny into neutral when you have to stop and never run without a front brake. I know there are guys that say they wouldn't be caught dead with a front brake on a jockey shift , suicide clutch motorcycle but the first time you have to stop a steep hill and you can't hold the motorcycle with your legs you will thank the good Lord you have a front brake. The lurching on take offs will get better because the feel in your leg will remember where the clutch starts to engage. You will quickly understand what a major event stopping and starting are. Later my friend.
Exactly why I kept the front brake.
@@SaddleTrampTV Even with the front brake I have gone through a barn door and have ridden down a steep ravine from a parking lot. I would truly look at running a rocker clutch instead of the suicide clutch, just my opinion. The biggest issue with the suicide clutch is losing your balance while trying to get rolling.
Bro, I can't even imagine!!😬
Yeah, neither could I til I tried.
cool! i think ... its my way to ( in future)
Thanks, Andre!
I love the ghost rider poster in the back ground David Mann was a awesome artist I always wanted to do the ghost rider as a tattoo on my back
One of you guys sent that to me.
Tramp, after watching this video, found grease’s garage channel on riding with a jockey shift, he makes this look easy and fun. If you haven’t check his channel out. Like the changes on the 79.
He's got good stuff
I may need a “Keep Choppers Sketchy” shirt 😅
Me too! Lol
Even though it's a mismatch of parts, it runs. That's all that matters.
Two things I see, it's keeping true to old school custom chopper build, an no one is going ride away if trying to steal it.
Right? Lol
having a foot clutch and jockey shift looks like it sucks to get used to but man is it cool as shit
Takes some practice.
Hey Cory Chopperware you should become Chopperware lady lol. Have partys. I do like those old bikes I just do not have the skills to keep one running. Great video man love jockey shift and Open Primary is a bit dangerous but hey that is what makes it cool. My Dad road a foot clutch hand shift on his cop bike as a motor officer
It's not that dangerous. It's only a hazard when you ride with your boots untied or when you shove your foot into it.
@@SaddleTrampTV LOL makes great content. I just keep thinking one day I want to come down south and meet you in person. See the saddle tramp garage and ride a few miles. I still love your channel. You're such an inspiration to me Stay warm keep the great content coming.
@@Supermankev2001 Come on down. We have that spare bedroom for a reason.
@@SaddleTrampTV I think it just might happen LOL
@@Supermankev2001 Right on!
LOVE THE NEW MODIFICATIONS /
and Yes ,
the bars did clean up nicely ,
Great Job /Great description , Any
Super Noticeable play in the prim . belt ?
All good so far
I ran an open belt drive suicide shift on my shovel for years. I had both ratchet top and manual top at different times, I liked the manual top better because you have a neutral between each gear. A front brake is almost mandatory…
Agreed... Front brake is a must
Cool man maybe I should do that to mine my linkage is a nightmare
You'll be surprised.
I agree with the Mrs.......switching back and forth between your many scooters mite get confusing , causing an accident .... sell that thang and get a panhead if you want a chopper
Count the teeth on each pulley, for example 68 42. When you have your count call Gates Belt drive and tell them your count and they will send you the correct size. I went through the same thing a few years back.
Thanks, man!