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MHWorld to MHGU | Charge Blade | What's The Difference?
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- If MHWorld was your 1st MH and you're interested in MHGU, let me give you an idea of how your main weapon might change or feel the same. Hopefully this information helps and I hope you enjoy! :)
/ mh_herny
/ herny
I dont own MHW, don't play CB ever, but still watch cause Herny could talk about watching paint dry and still make it entertaining.
Damn you’re killing it with all of these uploads! Very informative information 🙂
Did you come back from the dead?
Nah still ded.
🤔
I learned CB in MHGen and while I understand that the weapon doesn't feel as smooth as MH4U or MHW, I really love using the Axe attacks, much more than spamming SAED. Looking forward to MHGU Charge Blade tbh!
Tbh, I'm right there with you, and would say that the weapon is more fun when you get the axe involved too.
Like using the phial combo or switching to axe to knock a rathalos out of the sky.
You can use the Axe atacks in world If you want. I find It boring to Just Ultra and love the Axe atacks.
But you can't charge your sword or guardpoint into super in gen. World at least has options.
If they nerfed the Ultra in World it'd be Just a much more complete version of gen's CB.
Half the weapon in Gen or GenU is just missing.
Guess what? Capcom probably grew tired of people spamming SAED in World. They decided in Iceborne, you're gonna be able to "charge" your axe and continuously dis out phial damage. Without having to end it with a SAED.
Thank you
I'm really happy they put the chainsaw idea into charging the axe form in iceborne, I loved charge blade in world but you are right it just isn't as fun in mhgu
When I first picked up Charge Blade, one of the first things that I noticed was how fluid everything felt, something that I felt the Switch Axe lacked. The GPs just added to that with the repositioning potential and the counter attack capabilities of the weapon.
Going into Gen with a GP heavy playstyle, even with the heads up prior from the demo and countless videos, it was a little hard to adjust at first. I will say that the Shield Thrust -> Ultra/Super wasn't really missed by me too much at all, same for the Ultra nerf (it went from being to the equivalent of a nuke to a firecracker. Using it is more of a punishment for not cancelling it), seeing as I actively avoided using the Ultra in most cases as the Double Swing -> Upswing combo was better unless I was waking something up.
The GP changes were the hardest to get used to, seeing as it meant you weren't able to counter attack with a Super/Ultra anymore. The changes only really affected that aspect because I usually spent around half the hunt in Axe mode dishing out as much phial damage as possible. Bushido Style hels with as it sorta gives you the GP functionality and the evades make Axe mode so much safer.
I like CB in Gen; as Herny said it's less forgiving in a lot of cases but when you go an entire hunt being untouchable using the new styles and using the new GPs correctly, it's great.
To anyone going to GenU from World, I'd say stick with it. It'll be hard at first (especially if you're coming from World with an Ultra spam playstyle) but take it from someone who went from 4U -> Gen -> World. It's still fun as hell to use, just don't write it off too soon.
Thanks dude. I started in World and I actually avoid using Ultra in it cause it grew old and repetitive, apart from honestly sad cause you're making half of the moveset (Axe Mode) pointless.
I use the Axe combos and usually went for Super in big punishes. Best Fun I've had in MH. Favorite weapon...
...but no sword charge? Dealing with the whole axe animation in GP? No slides for fluid repositioning?
It just sounds like it's half the weapon.
I'm going to follow your advice, but I can't see myself thinking of GenU CB any different than "it's half the weapon"... Even with all these Hunter arts and different styles. It's just not CB as I know It. Not the CB that I chose to main...
Ravemaster620 if you feel swaxe is not fluid you are playing it wrong. In gen I love playing swaxe and CB they feel like two halves of the same whole.
@@comradecameron3726 How so? If I recall correctly, I can't freely morph after pretty much any move in Gen using SA like I can with CB. The styles add more moves in which you can morph between modes, but CB has that standard and more of it as well
Ravemaster620 in guild style you can morph directly after the roundhouse swing using the axe and if you press R after a swipe to the right you will morph back into axe. They don’t tell you this in the game manuals. Just fiddle around with pressing R at different parts of combos. However I don’t see the CB being so smooth I always have to stop my combo and switch except in axe mode. Swaxe is super smooth and versatile but CB hits harder but is more clunky.
@@comradecameron3726 I know how the morphing works with SA, I've used it throughout 3U, 4U, Gen and World. Compare Gen SA to World and you'll notice the difference in fluidity. The point that I was getting at was I can morph between mode whenever I want to with CB, seeing as just about every single move can be morphed out of. SA doesn't allow you to do that, instead you have to use specific moves in order to morph between the two modes. Morphing with CB is simply R+X (Sword mode) or just R (Axe mode). If you have to stop your combos all the time to switch, you're doing something wrong.
MHW: my first monster hunter and i love it!
MHGU: my second MH game and i love it!
The charge blade is my main to go weapon, i tried different weapons but have returned to CB everytime but there has been a change the Great Sword is also one of my favs now.
BUT WHY IN GODS NAME DID IT GET NERFED! Like hell, SnS is overpowered in GU... wait they nerfed that in world😒
Oils need to come back.
Sns is nothing in GU
@@sazakrom106 Have you ever used Oils?
@@Revan-ek3su yes... still a lot of weapons that outclass it tho
@@sazakrom106 Adept SnS with Round Force 2/3 is pretty good, you can use items out of your Rhody Run which gives it a ton of utility alone especially against flying wyverns if you can angle a Flash Bomb right. It's not the highest DPS weapon in the game, but it gives you so many options of how to get into an advantage state against the monster.
@@chironthecuddley6144 sns is at an akward point in hitting fast enough to have to use an element, and if ur gunna use an element, then go with dbs that have higher dps and benefit more from element
I use energy blade often. That slice, especially in the air, is satisfying whenever it staggers or brings them down.
Generally, I don't unload an ultra on the monster unless it's down, and I have sword mode charged to red energy (so that I can quickly re-charge the shield). Also, though you cannot get red shield charge from sword mode, you CAN use it to recharge a red shield (i.e. this doesn't downgrade it to yellow).
Herny I ran out of popcorn. Please stop uploading. 🍿
JustinJRB never 😈😈😈
Great video, good to see someone properly point out the ups and downs of the games for once.
I love the perspective here.
I mained CB in MH4U, it was my baby. For reasons I couldn't quite explain, I drifted from it in Gen only to come back to it in World.
It's great for the actual soul of a weapon to be present, not always just being the "strongest".
ok the fact that you started with a song from Wild Arms already has me interested.
I was gonna transfer my save to mhgu from mhgen but I decided to strt fresh because I was still in low rank and because my two friends who have never played monster hunter are getting the game and I want to play through it wit them! Also great vid, Herny!^_^
Best of luck with that. Just remember, Palico level cap increases is tied with hunter hub HR/linked to specific quests.
"Will see its keep your main weapon"
Man... when I Start a MHGU, my first Hunt was a Valor Charge Blade, I hate it!!! I did not give up, and of nowhere Adept and Valor clicked in my brain...
Today I have MUCH more fun with this weapon even with ali this nerfs, manage tô use axe mode in combos, mix up with SnS is waaaaay more hype then Ultra burst spam of World gameplay.
When I first started MHGU after MH4U, CB was definitely a learning curve. But once I got the understanding of Adept Guard, it actually is my favorite way to play, favoring heavy counters and reactive moves moreso than other versions. Valor CB is tons of fun for monsters you can be super aggressive and spam hits with, as well. It's not as smooth as 4U but I am having a great time with it.
While I like the video as a whole, I love that you used Wild Arms music as the background! My first ever RPG
Same! 😍
Glad you're making vids again Herny!
It's funny because out of 4u, Gu, worldborne, and rise. Gu chargeblade is my favorite version of chargeblade
Brave Style Charge Blade is alot of fun and i love dashing and shield thrusting in MHXX and doing the axe combo with the phials is better damage than an ultra. Seriously dashing and shield thrusting G.Maccao til i got the hang of it is so satisfying
For a first time monster hunter player this video was incredibly helpful. Thanks!
Herny you handsome devil I’m glad you’re back and hope you’re doing good my boy we gotta hunt sometime on MHW
I've put in 1200+ into World with 600 CB runs minimum. With World being my first game in the franchise, and me loving it so much, I bought a Switch specifically to play GU. I knew the old style was less forgiving, but I wasn't expecting how clunky CB felt to me comparitively. I know I should play around with it and get used to the style of GU, but I got lazy and just mained Brave GS, because it feels the most familiar to me, and that sheathing charge slash feels so damn good to land.
I bought the game recently, im actually loving it more, brave cb is pretty fun
i'm a CB main on MHGU, i genuinely like how the new guard points work,
i dig the fluidity of the "hyper armour" they provide. ^-^
What i'm not happy about is the lack of AED shortcut from shield thrust,
it would have been very useful to leverage some shorter windows, and it wouldn't have been detrimental to axe mode.
Keeping the shortcut would have been better than giving us that stupid yellow shield
which is inarguably U-S-E-L-E-S-S
It's always surprising to hear Wild Arms ost nowadays. Always thought it was a niche game. But great video as always.
Wait do you really think elemental phials are viable now? Also, what makes the ultra better for elemental?
PS, amazingly informative video, keep up the good work. These are so compressed and information dense I think they could be useful to pretty much anyone, even if they're already familiar with old CB.
coming back to this video years later. i would like to add for anyone else who for whatever reason is just starting GU you can use the eneergy blade hunter art as a replacement for you SAED. its odd but it works
"4am lol yeet" -best quote 2018
Look I know I’m late as fuck with this comment, but I just recently got MHGU and I hated the CB from 0-40 hrs playing, then I fell in love with it again and have used it 40-90hrs. Love your vids man! Even though you talk shit about the energy blade, sorry if I want to feel like a god damn Gundam!
U forgot to mention that in MHGU, u can equip "Load up" skill, that will allow u to charge red shield from 1 movement. U also can get earrings with that skill by completing all arenas on rank A.
I guess I’ll be saying hi for all 14 weapons. So hi again herny
Every CB main complains about CB being weak in XX, but XX is the only game so far where CB is properly balanced. Its like comparing Melee Fox to Smash 4 Fox. Also, XX requires the use of axe mode instead of just staying in sword mode at all times, which fits the concept of the CB much better.
Complaints about it being weaker aren't really something I see. The main complaint I see is towards the Guard Point changes and over fluidity of the weapon. They honestly could have balanced it better
they couldve at least gave the sword and shield mode the shortcut to AEDs or something. it's just generally awkward as hell to play having to manually switch to axe mode for me to do a super and maybe a couple of other phial attack. that, for me anyway, made it feel sluggish in comparison to other charge blade playstyles. while i do agree with the better use of axe mode, i too think they couldve done it better than that. generations cb tho. this aint it for me chief
TL;DR muh op unga bunga is fun
My two main weapons in MH4U was CB and Gunlance... guess what got nerfed in MHG/GU lol. I actually (mostly) agree with the balance part. The only thing I thought was a bad change was removing GP -> Ultra. Punishing a monster with your GP made the CB so much more rewarding.
I get what you mean, but the smash reference wasn't a good example, Smash 4 fox isn't balanced at all, he's very broken. and like top 5 best characters out of 58 lol
You can make it weak all you want. Make the numbers Miserable. All the way down to horrible. But taking part of the weapon's smooth, fluid and aesthetic moveset away is not balancing in my book. There's no explanation for not adding Sword charge in GenU. No explanation to not being able to Guardpoint into Super, no explanation for calling "making the weapon lack half of it's moveset" be "good balancing".
The horrendous nerfs to CB in Generations was why I dropped that game after beating Nakarkos and a couple of Deviants. I'm pretty sure I spent like 800 hours playing MH4U, most of which were spent playing the Charge Blade. But the feel of the weapon in Generations was so terrible that I dropped the game very quickly (if I remember correctly, I only spent like 150 hours on it). I will never understand the director of MH Generations for his wahy of making the CB clunkier in order to nerf it. Thankfully, the addition of Valor in Generations Ultimate was a giant boon, not just for the Charge Blade, but for a lot of other weapons. I feel like Valor CB is the one that suits my love for MH4U and MHW's aggressive and mobile CB playstyle.
Love the information, love the Wild Arms BGM!
I have been maining charge blade ever since 4U -- been playing since Freedom Unite. I love how satisfying the rotation is on the weapon and playing Adept has made it even more so. I just started World (I know, I'm an oldhead) so its nice to know that it is really powerful in World. Before I would play with lance and SnS but now I can't leave the charge blade. It just feels like home.
The funny thing is Iceborne changed charge blade enough that super/ultra spam isn't even its strongest option anymore, savage axe mode is extremely powerful
I know im late, but I just want to point something out...
Alchemy CB has a different move than Striker, the sword charge attack doesnt need to be charged, which lets you not worry about timing it to get files.
Just a little thing I noticed that made me prefer Alchemy over Striker.
This video is pretty cool! Thanks for making it :)
But honestly I feel like the "imma solo everything in world because its easier" mentality is kind of a you problem :/
I mean its great that you like playing in multi, but not everyone *can* play on multiplayer for some reason or another (inconsistent internet, lack of ps online or xbox live for a console players). I think its great that capcom seemed to realize this and made the game play experience for those without multiplayer capabilities potentially less frustrating.
Also "easier to solo" is subjective, while this came out pre-IB, its still less effort for everyone to kill a monster with a 4 player CC-lock, and playing with terrible randoms in any MH game can be an unfun experience.
I feel like this was specifically made for me, as I tried GU's demo and went straight for my main weapon from world, the cb, and couldn't use it
so when i'm playing charge blade in gen and genU, i found that the guard points were buffed. now blocking normally will ad the KO/element effect to the shield, or you can do the x+r guard point to morph into axe mode and punish a charging monsterwith a strong axe attack. back in 4u you had to use the risky guard points, in generations you just need a red shield to do what you did in 4 and more.
Beyond not being able to do the slide attack, having to switch to axe mode to charge shield, and GP not being like World's, the only thing that irks me about GenU's CB is that SAED or Ultra burst isn't evenly remotely viable as an option. I shouldn't have to feel bummed or punished that I couldn't get the input in correctly and use a move that isn't even worth it. I'm not favoring SAED spam, but it would've been nice if it was still alright to pull off once in a while. It's a move that requires decent timing and I'd like to use it satisfyingly as a reward from a stun or whatnot. I also miss Savage Axe mode from Iceborne, but the saw blade art does just nicely. I'll still prefer MHW/IB CB for what it brought, but GenU CB has been fun so far.
this is a bit late but yeah i agree
i used to love charge blade in MHW but then i learned that SAED spam is the way so its all i ended up doing
and although it worked it wasn't that fun, you kinda just spam the same explosion time and time again, and the numbers start to mean less
Tbh imo , not that CB in Gen/GenU got nerfed too much , instead , it's buffed too much/a lot in World
I don't mind needing to go into axe mode to red shield, and I don't mind losing not being able to ultra from word and shield mode, but I wish being able to super/ultra from a guard point was still there, and I wish ultras weren't so weak and useless
I love the FFXIII music used. The First game's undetated.
Does anyone know the music that starts at 0:25? I love It and need it ;-;
You missed one thing: In adept style, you gain a guard point during the sns mode while charging your a button attack.
Is that Wild arms music in the background? 😀 I'm playing GU now and I started in world. Yes it felt tanky at first, but it's teaching me to position better and use both modes more fluidly instead of using the axe to ultra.
Make the ultra spend the red shield. That ALL we need to have CB being the best ever in World.
we ill need some of those amazing weapon arts you've had there in GU,then I think it will be a deal for the community
Energy blade has high stun and break values, anytime I use it, it leads to a trip or break
Nice video man, love these comparison videos!
Can someone please tell me what the outro song is called, it's so chill
Solustos I guess you never watched Naruto.
Pretty sure that that isn't a naruto track, no idea what you are talking about.
Dat wild arms track tho
Specifically, what track?
Also interested in knowing which track.
*edit: nvm, found it: Port Town theme
I wouldn't mind if in the next iteration of MH the ultra consumed red shield, but I wish instead of having to cancel ultra into super you had cancel super into ultra, that way by default I can use the move that doesn't consume my shield charge
They completely neutered the charge blade in MHGU. The pretty little explosion of the SAED OS just that pretty.... pretty useless. I also hat the permanent red shield. It gives the charge blade the ability til be more overpowered than it needs to be.
I play MHGU after MHWI because i want to enjoy Old World Experience and because i didnt play MHworld again after finishing MHGU, i feel like Charge Blade is A bit Weaker on Phial now
Anyone has the same feeling?
I might play MH4U just for the better version of charge blade
With valor cb i still play it like how i play cb in world(savage axe),knock the monster down then go crazy with *a* spam,crit is still king in this game and i still net 5-8 mins time with it
I'm kinda glad I picked up 4U bc CB in that kicks ass
I definitely will miss the red sword attack from mhw
Losing that slippy slide really hurts.
Might as well go for adept or valor style to turn the thing into something different entirely.
I'm really loving all these uploads, are you gonna do Lance and GL?
Yo herny whats the outro song ?
generations, more like generations worth of changes revert because smooth brain.
I honestly hate this version of charge blade, guardpoints suck, can't super or ultra from sword and shield mode. Even the damage is dissapointing.
The only thing I like is adept charge blade, valor is cool too. The rest is truly disappointing, that's why I'm against nerf in MH, they are pretty violent
herny!!! so many vids!!!!!! well done!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the video bud!
I'm gonna use striker for the chainsaw, the phial thing, and the energy blade
Did I hear Legend of Legaia?
Is that you dancing in the background of the outro Herny? Also I'm curious about what the music playing in the outro is
Roseipika Heart29 hehe, yea that’s me and it’s a snippet of a song I made :) I’m gonna put it out soon
love the wild arms track!
I missed dunking on monsters.
Aerial CB for life!
imo gen cb is infinitely more fun than the ultra spam snoozefest in world
Man love this video also what Naruto song is that running through the video
I came to World from XX, and found myself canceling the ultra, and know when to cancel it a lot easier than World CB mains. And it's really essential to know when to super or ultra with this weapon.
While I do think SAED spam is strong and shit, but I keep seeing people spam it mindlessly and either kill the monster with the broken af damage or keep whiffing and get killed.
Most of the G rank monster are aggressive as fuck, you probably won't have the time to do a single ultra anyways.
in my opinion the only thing that makes a nerf from world to GenUlt is the evade roll after the hits when it comes down to my play style.
mh4u cb best cb it was soo much fun, you can still play "old style" in mhworld which I sometime do with guard+1/2
powerful CB is 4U, it classic and ez to dear so much dame, you can ez solo some monster fes quest with it
You're awesome Herny
Ok I don’t know if I should try charge blade first in mhw then play it in mhgu or just start mhgu with charge blade with no prior use of it relax I know the basics of charge blade fill files then unleash them.
Teamwork yeet
I love this videos! Please do LBG comparisson ☺
I'm still a cb-main, it's still fun to use
I use spinning slash and AED on KO instead of SAED spam. It's way more fun and it still kills shit fast
I wish I was able to play gen ultimate but I am physically unable to use gamepad.
The CB in workd is way too easy to use. Irs really overpowerded.
Combos into the ultraburst from shield mode, an overpowered burst, no loss if the shield charge after an ultra etc its jzst charge up let go repeat. You dobt need ro think about what you are doing, read the monster ir just evaluate when to do what. You charge follow up with the a x combo and thars it. The CB in gen requires way more thinking
What part of "the ultra is garbage, never use it" requires "more thinking"?
@@wurst1284 thus part does not require more thinking. Its about when to use your ultra! Knowing how to use it when is key and i see many cb mains in gen failing on that part. Also switching into axe mode at the right time is important(many fail at this part too) as well. Id go into detail but im in a rush now maybe ill follow up with mire details
My first ahtal ka is 13 minutes, using diablos cb with aerial style
ONLY ART I NEEDED ! EKSUU KALIBAAA
I'm smart because I'm a CB main in MHW, it's the most complicated weapon type in da game.
MHGU: I'm gonna end this hunter's whole career
Will you be doing a video for every single weapon?
What is that armor I don't think I've seen it before
NO WONDER I WAS SUCKING SO BAD WOTH THE ADEPT CHARGE BLADE! It makes sense!! Wow in stupid. ;___;
I'm a charge blade main in 4u, then I played generations and changed to adept long sword cuz of obvious nerfs. Then I played xx on switch and played brave long sword cuz it's amazing. Then I played World and went straight back to chargeblade:) so in a way they made up for nerfing the charge blade with the long sword but I'm still sad I can't play it in gen and xx it's just not the same. Gen and gen ultimate was NOT made by the ryozo team but the secondary team so maybe that's why it got nerfed. Just my opinion. Good videos.
Chesterfield The 3rd you’re right my man, I guess maybe the two teams had different views for the weapon
I hate World, and don't even play it but somehow you still made me interested in this series of new vs old weapon....
good info gen ultimate looks clean as fuck bless it trying really hard to not to give nintendo my whole check
Welp guess I'll go back to Striker Swaxe...
still don't understand these major nerfs, they could just lower the values.
Sorry in advance for the minor essay. TLDR: CB is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be imo
The changes were most likely due to the styles mechanic. The GP from 4U essentially makes Bushido Guard redundant and the Double Swing Burst was nerfed by half, again cos of Bushido. The shield thrust -> into AED could have been left in but only allow the AED and not the SAED (still able to cancel into a shield charge), even if it was only for Guild and/or Striker.
I still love CB in XX/GU despite these changes, but I guess that's because my playstyle revolved around me being in Axe mode for roughly half the fight and not really using the Shield thrust short cut. And although the GP changes were annoying at first, Bushido exists.
All in all, I'm a CB and SA main and I'll stand by those weapons, nerfs and all.
@@Ravemaster620 never said i hated CB in XX, its hella fun even but its just underwhelming compared to the other weapons the changes were kinda uncalled for and kinda held it more back than it did any good (imo) im still gonna use it after the nerfs since the chainsaw looks sick AF. but its just sad too see such an awesome not be used that often because of these changes (sorry for my poor english if i made any mistakes or i'm unclear)
Fat_Smug ! Never said you hated it, so if it sounded like that, my bad. I agree with you mostly on the changes being unnecessary (I've outlined why in my previous comment); it feels as though the mechanic changes were done poorly (same thing for Gunlance), as they could have easily kept stuff in and left the mechanics more or less intact. Like I said previously though, Imma still use CB in this game especially now since Valor CB is a thing.
@@Ravemaster620 my bad on that part then, i must've misunderstood it.
Fat_Smug ! No worries man
Either way, it'll be Gurren Lagan as hell
good piece!
Why did they get rid of hunter arts and different styles? World is my first game and these seem really cool
They also dont even have half the monster roster lol
arstriker911 true, but I feel like the quality of the monsters in world makes up for that, except for deviljho. Deviljho can go straight to hell
I understand the fluidity of facing a monster is incomparable to past monster hunter games and that's amazing except that the fact is why would they make you grind a single monster over and over again (lava)greatjaggi) as a new player this completely turns you off cause you want decos and have to grind for basic good decos in this way because its the only efficient way of doing so
arstriker911 I’ve never had to grind for more than an hour at a time to get the things that I want, and I’m constantly swapping weapons so I don’t really get bored
@@arstriker911 and in gen u you fight a brachydios for charms over and over again
My first monster hunter is generations lol
do a mhw to mhwib series
uhh what
I'm surprised CB didn't get buffs in GU. I understand it being weaker in Gen cause of how retarded strong it was in 4U, but they could have made it feel better mechanically. Either way it still looks really fun to use.
@@SpikeShadowhunter "stupidly overloaded with unnecessary stuff" sounds like something someone would say about Gen or GU lmao
CB in 4U and World has less unnecessary stuff compared to Gen's. World's is fun to play, it's not like you HAVE to spam SAED, and if you want to play an elemental one it isn't even the optimal option imho.
4U's was very good mainly due to guard points, I don't see where the "unnecessary stuff" is.
Nulla Senzanome I have to agree with you on questioning the "stupidly overloaded with unnecessary stuff" point.
@@SpikeShadowhunter SnS in World is pretty good to ya know.
CB was my secondary in World but even I admit the gameplay got really stale. Going to MHGU, it's one of the most fun weapons I've played. It actually incorporates the axe mode and the arts, while not all super effective, are really, really fun.
Uhh...can you explain at least these hunter "arts" thing? Im only coming here with knowledge from world. What are all these different movesets???
Supers basically. You feel a bar and then press a button to use it
Styles are different movesets, arts are big moves that require charging a bar
Sitting here with 800 hours in XX hunting Hyper Jho and listening to this in the background like "O I C"