Man, you look like Ryan Gosling if he mistook film school for acting school. I LOVE your videos by the way. I'm doing an internship in Germany at a Filmtechnik company that rents Film gear and literally every single piece of gear you covered on your channel so far I have had in my hands! I learned so much, thank you :)
This is great! I'm going to be working on my first feature soon and have learned a lot from your channel, and even found someone selling a full roll of ND (2 stops) for $50! Thanks for making this great content!
Yo bro... YOU SINGLE HANDEDLY SET ME ON PATH WITH THIS VERY VIDEO! Thanks. I'm a 1.2 Texas ND type of guy. Also... Now the shit costs $170 a roll instead of $125.
Trying to splice two ND's together for a large sliding door requires further magic. Also, to clean up the light bleed on the edges, use 1/4" or 1/2" in "camera black" tape to close the gaps around all edges in the frame. Camera will rarely recognize the tape.
I usually use plain water when attaching the ND to the window. The problem with using windex or any kind of detergent is that it decreases the surface tension of the water. Thus decreasing the "adhesiveness". Also when putting it on the window, I employ a top to bottom wall papering technique wiping from left to right as you're putting the ND on the glass, so you're pushing out all the airbubbles while you're putting it on the window. That'll saves you massive amounts of time when you're trying to push out airbubbles with a scraper.
Genuine question: If you have the budget, would there be a downside to using Prestige 20 or 40 from 3M? Seems better all around (other than it's not something you can buy cheap and quick and tape up in a pinch)
One thing I have not been able to find or verify aside from doing it myself BUT putting ND on the window is different than putting the ND filters on the camera. Do you have to increase the output of the light inside after placing ND on the window? Obviously ND on the camera the inside gets darker and you have to compensate with light. Does that happen with ND Gel for windows?
Actually? It’s quite the opposite of what you’re thinking. So because you put ND on a lens, the entire image gets darkened which is why you have to add more light into your scene, where when you darken just the window with ND, you can use less light. Because now you’re probably compensating for the details you see out the window
@@DaveDonaldsonLive Maybe my wording was weird but THAT is exactly what I was thinking lol ND on the window does NOT cut down the lighting in the room or at least very little. It just simply brings detail back outside the window.
For low budget and specific shots it could work, but you'll risk introducing all sorts of colors you don't want (e.g. additional red/brown or green in your example). The reason why a lot of gels or modifiers are so expensive, is because they're color neutral and matched to each other.
You can also take single and double nets and put them outside of the windows/ you could buy screens for screen doors and hang them outside of the door pending you have a very shallow depth. The problem with that though is that the screen needs to be tight because if it’s not, you can get some aliasing effects
How do you deal with outside weather changes (from sun to clouds to sun etc) resulting in colour temperature changes inside the room of your where you re doing your shot to keep the same white balance ?
Yann De Moerloose its fast and easy but if my subject is too close I can see the screen, or if the camera is dolly/sliding right to left with a camera pan causing parallax, it can also cause the screen to pop up on camera in a dimming effect. But again it's a fast easy solution and reusable. To eachs own I say. Haha hope this helps
Thanks for your reply. Good to keep the things you mentioned in mind! I do think it works best when shooting with long lenses, having a shallow depth of field.
@@yanndemoerloose I've had great experiences working with Scrim, but I think ND can do a lot of stuff Scrim cant. Just like everything else in production... some stuff works better in certain situations.
WhaleWatchersMedia cause then you’d need strong lights to light your subject. Kind of like $125 for a 25ft roll vs $125 to rent a strong light for the day. I’m assuming you mean ND for the lens right?
I've used ND's for decades in commercial photography...however, you can use a ND filter on your lens to expose for the windows and pump more light into the set to compensate for the under exposure...less time than prepping windows. 3 stop ND filter add 3 stops of light...
Omg it's so cool that Ryan Gosling is sharing some of his industry knowledge here
Major respect
Hahaha Pft please. If you saw me without a shirt, I’m definitely not photoshopped hahaha
didnt know ryan gosling like doin grip work as well
Man, you look like Ryan Gosling if he mistook film school for acting school.
I LOVE your videos by the way. I'm doing an internship in Germany at a Filmtechnik company that rents Film gear and literally every single piece of gear you covered on your channel so far I have had in my hands! I learned so much, thank you :)
Nabil Mouatabir hell yea, all the way from Germany eh? That’s awesome!
Found you through the modern cinematographer podcast. This is great information, thank you.
Missed my lecture on Light Control yesterday as I was on set elsewhere.. 20 mins looking through Grip Tip videos and I'm all caught up! Cheers Dave!
This is great! I'm going to be working on my first feature soon and have learned a lot from your channel, and even found someone selling a full roll of ND (2 stops) for $50! Thanks for making this great content!
I'm watching this in July 2020, after watching quite a lot of your videos. You've come a long way, Baby!!!!!
Just warming up ;)
Thank you so much for your channel, I've learned a ton from all of your videos! Just wanted to say I appreciate your awesome work and knowledge!
Yo bro... YOU SINGLE HANDEDLY SET ME ON PATH WITH THIS VERY VIDEO! Thanks. I'm a 1.2 Texas ND type of guy. Also... Now the shit costs $170 a roll instead of $125.
You’re very welcome. Feel free to stop by my other channel when I’m gaming and ask questions or just to say hi! DaveDonaldsonLive
Trying to splice two ND's together for a large sliding door requires further magic. Also, to clean up the light bleed on the edges, use 1/4" or 1/2" in "camera black" tape to close the gaps around all edges in the frame. Camera will rarely recognize the tape.
I usually use plain water when attaching the ND to the window. The problem with using windex or any kind of detergent is that it decreases the surface tension of the water. Thus decreasing the "adhesiveness". Also when putting it on the window, I employ a top to bottom wall papering technique wiping from left to right as you're putting the ND on the glass, so you're pushing out all the airbubbles while you're putting it on the window. That'll saves you massive amounts of time when you're trying to push out airbubbles with a scraper.
I've used and know people who use a cocacola/water mix to great results. I think everyone has their own little tricks!
I learn much with you than with my cinema school, thanks a lot! Continue like that!!
how am I just now finding this channel!!
The Animist how am I just now reading his comment! 😎
This vs Rosco black grid? Vs double net frame?
Great video. Does it peel off successfully when you use the Windex spray against the window? Do you think it would stick if left for months?
Peels off just fine, I haven’t left it up for more than a couple days but I imagine it would naturally just fall off at some point.
Genuine question: If you have the budget, would there be a downside to using Prestige 20 or 40 from 3M? Seems better all around (other than it's not something you can buy cheap and quick and tape up in a pinch)
One thing I have not been able to find or verify aside from doing it myself BUT putting ND on the window is different than putting the ND filters on the camera. Do you have to increase the output of the light inside after placing ND on the window?
Obviously ND on the camera the inside gets darker and you have to compensate with light. Does that happen with ND Gel for windows?
Actually? It’s quite the opposite of what you’re thinking. So because you put ND on a lens, the entire image gets darkened which is why you have to add more light into your scene, where when you darken just the window with ND, you can use less light. Because now you’re probably compensating for the details you see out the window
@@DaveDonaldsonLive Maybe my wording was weird but THAT is exactly what I was thinking lol ND on the window does NOT cut down the lighting in the room or at least very little. It just simply brings detail back outside the window.
Great! All you need to know, clear and to the point. Thanks so much!
@griptips If i stuck a piece or more of that roll on my lens what will happen? Can it work like the dedicated ND 100mm or circular filters?
Pretty sure it would work, and tbh I haven’t done it before but I gotta believe that it would be the same as a dedicated filter.
@@GripTips I will try it and let you know the results my friend.
A role of ND costs a fortune but that stuff people put on their car windows to black them out works just as well and cost £5 or £6 a role.
For low budget and specific shots it could work, but you'll risk introducing all sorts of colors you don't want (e.g. additional red/brown or green in your example). The reason why a lot of gels or modifiers are so expensive, is because they're color neutral and matched to each other.
Thank you so much for this video I will definitely buy some ND sheets!
No problem!
Is there a budget option for these ND filters?
You can also take single and double nets and put them outside of the windows/ you could buy screens for screen doors and hang them outside of the door pending you have a very shallow depth. The problem with that though is that the screen needs to be tight because if it’s not, you can get some aliasing effects
Great info. Thanks!!
this is insanely helpful, never seen that before! Thank you!
How do you deal with outside weather changes (from sun to clouds to sun etc) resulting in colour temperature changes inside the room of your where you re doing your shot to keep the same white balance ?
That's up to camera and interior lights to deal with.
How about using window tint, do i get the same effect from nd gel? And what about the color shift?
I highly recommend you don’t. Lot of color issues with basic window tint. I mean unless it’s like a personal project then ok but not for clients
@@GripTips thanks man!!!
I am learning so much from you. thanks
Omg! I'm learning so much! Thank soooooo much!
Great a channel man! Where are you from?
THANKS! DETROIT, MI.
Ton of help. Thank you so much!
what's your opinion on using scrim nets instead of ND filters to control exposure coming from windows?
Yann De Moerloose its fast and easy but if my subject is too close I can see the screen, or if the camera is dolly/sliding right to left with a camera pan causing parallax, it can also cause the screen to pop up on camera in a dimming effect. But again it's a fast easy solution and reusable. To eachs own I say. Haha hope this helps
Thanks for your reply. Good to keep the things you mentioned in mind! I do think it works best when shooting with long lenses, having a shallow depth of field.
@@yanndemoerloose I've had great experiences working with Scrim, but I think ND can do a lot of stuff Scrim cant. Just like everything else in production... some stuff works better in certain situations.
You are Mr. Excitement! You should be on TV! Oh wait you are! Hell has frozen over!
What is snot tape?
3M atg adhesive transfer tape.
Great tip brother.
Good knowledge.
Really interesting. Many thanks.
I needed to see this thanks for providing
Wow, I would have thought that gafftaping it would look totally shitty. Great! Thanks.
Nah, it's not terrible but it's not great, you have to factor the wind. You can do it inside too if blinds are hiding your work
Yeah I can live with it being not great when I shot something for fun and learn :) Thanks!
u just love your vids man
Thank you so much for this
Very useful!
Love your channel! thnx
Awesome...
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Grip Tips Ha! Have many friends that went their too.
Why pay more for a window Nd and not a filter that you can reuse
WhaleWatchersMedia cause then you’d need strong lights to light your subject. Kind of like $125 for a 25ft roll vs $125 to rent a strong light for the day. I’m assuming you mean ND for the lens right?
good
I've used ND's for decades in commercial photography...however, you can use a ND filter on your lens to expose for the windows and pump more light into the set to compensate for the under exposure...less time than prepping windows. 3 stop ND filter add 3 stops of light...
Very helpful. Thanks