This is hands down the best swimming technique channel I’ve found. The Race Club is excellent too but the detail on this channel is amazing and has answered questions I’ve had for years and also corrected advice I’ve had in the past. Wish I had this resource 50 years ago😂
@@Andrewsheaff no never too late. I’m a 55 year old masters swimmer with no kick, a poor dive and no ability to dolphin kick underwater. All due to having club feet and no ankle flexibility etc. So it’s a matter of getting what I can out of the upper body and limiting the losses of having no kick. The advice on this channel is great!! I’ve only recently learnt that the 50! Free technique is very different to 100 and 200 free. I just assumed they were just sped up versions of the same stroke pattern. Very few people have explained it the way you do.
Thanks for the analysis. What doesn't add up in term of efficiency is that in sprit, the "opposite hand" style is accompanied with no breathing however, in galloping this come on the breath side. Haven't tries it, but maybe it's worth exploring pulling "sprint style" without breathing and breathing on the "front quadrant" side.
You want opposite timing AS you breathe and then front quadrant timing AFTER you breathe. That gives you more time to get the head back after the breath before pull. If you switch it up, it's VERY hard to get an effective pull right after the breath. That's a big part of why the gallop exists. Hope that helps. Try the opposite and see what happens!
Well, some stuff not included here about the gallop style. I am not sure if that is Sun Yang as the distance swimmer, but he did a gallop style swim as well, but maybe not as much gallop as Katie Ledecky. The footage with Katie, that is Ariarne Titmus in the back ground, with Katie swimming gallop style, and Ariarne swimming an even cadence stroke breathing on a 2, 2, 3 or 4 pattern. I don't think anyone has done a side by side comparison of their strokes. Ariarne can beat Katie in the 200 and 400, but not in the 800 and 1500. My guess is that Ariarne is running out of O2 with that 3 or 4 breath pause. Need to put one of those O2 level sensors on her finger when she gets done with a race. As you said, with the gallop style, it is an uneven cacence. The breathing side arm stays extended for just a short bit and then a quick 1, 2 pull. Also, the swimmer is porpoising a bit, a slight up and down motion with the body. This results in the upper body being slightly under water for a bit, and the head coming up more out of the water than some one like Ariarne does. Maybe half of the lower goggle comes out of the water where with even cadence, only the top side goggle lens comes out of the water. I don't know for sure, but I have heard that the going under water reduces drag from no surface tension and/or the bow wave is greatly reduced. I am figuring that the diving down a slight bit under the water also adds some "drive" to the stroke, maybe similar to the lunge in breast stroke. Possibly, and I would need Gary Hall at Race Club to confirm with his velocimeter, the pull power makes for a sine wave which with Ariarne's style would be a pretty even curve, peaking in the middle of the arm pull, and troughing at before the next arm engages. I would expect this curve to flatten out a bit with the uneven cadence of the gallop style or at least have a different curve. The two quick pulls making for maybe more pulling power, and the slight extension maybe being a bit more of a dip, but don't know. No one has really tested this part out yet.
Sun Yang definitely galloped, but he only did it when he hit certain speeds. At slower speed, he wasn’t galloping. Good observations between Ledecky and Titmus. I wonder how much of it is differences in skill versus differences in training and physiological capacities. It could be either or both. Katie also used to have the speed over the shorter distances. I’ve heard the argument that swimmers can dive under the bow wave. However, I haven’t seen any evidence that’s happening. I’m not saying it’s not happening, just that I haven’t seen anything other than the suggestion. As you said, there is definitely going to be any uneven speed profile due to the timing of the arms with the gallop as compared to steady stroke timing. It would definitely be interesting to see more concrete data. It probably exists, it’s just not being shared!
I have heard a number of coaches comment that there is less drag under the water. Probably part of the reason why the long dolphin kick under water is not allowed now. That back stroke guy actually lives here in town. I am still left wondering why. The engineer side of my personality....
@@robohippy I think that's true when the whole body is under the water (underwater kicking as you said). It's like due to less wave drag, and there is solid evidence for this. I am not sure it's true when swimmers are moving up and down through the surface. It may be the case, but it is just speculation at this point.
Andrew is another big difference between shoulder driven and hips driven that the hips stay much flatter with shoulder driven than hips driven? The rotation comes more from the upper body than the entire body length? Great video Sir.
The hips will stay flatter in shoulder driven or sprint freestyle. However, I think the BIGGEST difference is the timing of the arms relative to each other. That's what causes all of the other differences, including the changes you noted in hip rotation. I think this important because if you get the timing right, the hip rotation will be right. If you focus on the hip rotation, you might not the timing right. Hope that helps!
This is hands down the best swimming technique channel I’ve found. The Race Club is excellent too but the detail on this channel is amazing and has answered questions I’ve had for years and also corrected advice I’ve had in the past. Wish I had this resource 50 years ago😂
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. It's never too late:).
@@Andrewsheaff no never too late. I’m a 55 year old masters swimmer with no kick, a poor dive and no ability to dolphin kick underwater. All due to having club feet and no ankle flexibility etc. So it’s a matter of getting what I can out of the upper body and limiting the losses of having no kick. The advice on this channel is great!! I’ve only recently learnt that the 50! Free technique is very different to 100 and 200 free. I just assumed they were just sped up versions of the same stroke pattern. Very few people have explained it the way you do.
@@richardtrass Keep at it! You've got it right. Maximize your strengths, hide you weaknesses.
Thanks for the analysis. What doesn't add up in term of efficiency is that in sprit, the "opposite hand" style is accompanied with no breathing however, in galloping this come on the breath side. Haven't tries it, but maybe it's worth exploring pulling "sprint style" without breathing and breathing on the "front quadrant" side.
You want opposite timing AS you breathe and then front quadrant timing AFTER you breathe. That gives you more time to get the head back after the breath before pull. If you switch it up, it's VERY hard to get an effective pull right after the breath. That's a big part of why the gallop exists. Hope that helps.
Try the opposite and see what happens!
Excellent job 👏
Thank you!
Well, some stuff not included here about the gallop style. I am not sure if that is Sun Yang as the distance swimmer, but he did a gallop style swim as well, but maybe not as much gallop as Katie Ledecky. The footage with Katie, that is Ariarne Titmus in the back ground, with Katie swimming gallop style, and Ariarne swimming an even cadence stroke breathing on a 2, 2, 3 or 4 pattern. I don't think anyone has done a side by side comparison of their strokes. Ariarne can beat Katie in the 200 and 400, but not in the 800 and 1500. My guess is that Ariarne is running out of O2 with that 3 or 4 breath pause. Need to put one of those O2 level sensors on her finger when she gets done with a race. As you said, with the gallop style, it is an uneven cacence. The breathing side arm stays extended for just a short bit and then a quick 1, 2 pull. Also, the swimmer is porpoising a bit, a slight up and down motion with the body. This results in the upper body being slightly under water for a bit, and the head coming up more out of the water than some one like Ariarne does. Maybe half of the lower goggle comes out of the water where with even cadence, only the top side goggle lens comes out of the water. I don't know for sure, but I have heard that the going under water reduces drag from no surface tension and/or the bow wave is greatly reduced. I am figuring that the diving down a slight bit under the water also adds some "drive" to the stroke, maybe similar to the lunge in breast stroke. Possibly, and I would need Gary Hall at Race Club to confirm with his velocimeter, the pull power makes for a sine wave which with Ariarne's style would be a pretty even curve, peaking in the middle of the arm pull, and troughing at before the next arm engages. I would expect this curve to flatten out a bit with the uneven cadence of the gallop style or at least have a different curve. The two quick pulls making for maybe more pulling power, and the slight extension maybe being a bit more of a dip, but don't know. No one has really tested this part out yet.
Sun Yang definitely galloped, but he only did it when he hit certain speeds. At slower speed, he wasn’t galloping.
Good observations between Ledecky and Titmus. I wonder how much of it is differences in skill versus differences in training and physiological capacities. It could be either or both. Katie also used to have the speed over the shorter distances.
I’ve heard the argument that swimmers can dive under the bow wave. However, I haven’t seen any evidence that’s happening. I’m not saying it’s not happening, just that I haven’t seen anything other than the suggestion.
As you said, there is definitely going to be any uneven speed profile due to the timing of the arms with the gallop as compared to steady stroke timing.
It would definitely be interesting to see more concrete data. It probably exists, it’s just not being shared!
Great comment. I’ve noticed the very different styles of these two great competitors too. Very interesting
I have heard a number of coaches comment that there is less drag under the water. Probably part of the reason why the long dolphin kick under water is not allowed now. That back stroke guy actually lives here in town. I am still left wondering why. The engineer side of my personality....
@@robohippy I think that's true when the whole body is under the water (underwater kicking as you said). It's like due to less wave drag, and there is solid evidence for this. I am not sure it's true when swimmers are moving up and down through the surface. It may be the case, but it is just speculation at this point.
@@richardtrass They've found what works for them!
Andrew is another big difference between shoulder driven and hips driven that the hips stay much flatter with shoulder driven than hips driven? The rotation comes more from the upper body than the entire body length? Great video Sir.
The hips will stay flatter in shoulder driven or sprint freestyle. However, I think the BIGGEST difference is the timing of the arms relative to each other. That's what causes all of the other differences, including the changes you noted in hip rotation. I think this important because if you get the timing right, the hip rotation will be right. If you focus on the hip rotation, you might not the timing right. Hope that helps!