The Dark Truth Behind The Sensor Size War
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- Опубліковано 20 лис 2018
- There are much bigger questions than whether micro four thirds sensors can stack up with full frame. The sensor size war has a dark side that no one is talking about. Let us discuss.
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i was not expecting that
_"And... cut!"_ 🎬
Hey my man, I'll say this again, please make a video about Medium Format sensors vs. Full frame. :D
I'd buy that video if I have to. :D :D
Thanks for making me laugh all throughout the video though. ;)
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This was your top momrnt mate ...i literaly rolled over the ground ...if laughing 🤣🤣🤣🍻
Great video. I rate it a 1/1.10. 🧮
😂😂😂
Ha freak'in Ha
I would give a higher score 1/1.05
LMAO
5/7
Man, I've never laughed so much in one of your videos.
yup this is a APS-C a Phunny Social Cream.
Wow, I'm glad to see one of my favorite English teacher here in the comments!)
Omg the m4/3 contemplation and reaction made my day 😂
Medium Format Sounds much smaller than full frame 😂
And then, some marketing droid at Fuji decides to call that "Super Full Frame"
I couldn't stop laughing when I heard...
If it's medium, why is it so expensive?
I was fully expecting he'd at least mention that, considering he ranted for 10 minutes about how silly sensor sizes are named. "Middle format" being the largest size takes this cake!
by the way, in german, 35mm full frame is also often listed as "Kleinbildformat" meaning small image format. Go figure 🤷♂️
@@haiggoh Among the Ink&Paper periodicals that were available during my youth was one called Miniature Camera. Miniature Camera was specifically dedicated to users of the 35mm film format.
Brilliant! No one can reveal and deliver the humour in camera hardware and specs as well as you! So refreshing !🤣🙏🏾
"in a logmarithic algorithm"
I've heard it all now, I believe
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Sensors need a flip out screen, a macro 8/7th screen
Legit lol'd at this comment
Back in the day, the sensors had flip out screens. In front of them. Those were called mirrors.
it would need to be 8/6, 8/7 just makes no sense at all.
Man, your humour is so unique in the photography world, may your channel live forever!
Damn it! Now I know to never watch your videos while drinking coffee....R.I.P. screen and keyboard 😞
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I concur! Damnit non-weather sealed keyboard and carpet!🙄🙄
I wish I'd read this comment before I had my cup of tea haha
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What's bigger than full?! Medium!
Logic!
Full Medium
Full frame is just the full frame of small format camera
Above small format is medium format and above them is large format that only few people use now
This is not fake news. This is Nobel prize worthy late breaking news documentary scientific researched historically correct news. The more inches the better correct? Lmao love this channel. Keep them coming before they come and take you away for all these conspiracies.
Finally, somebody explains it in a way I can understand.
m4/3 and I'm in tears… I always used to wonder about that one... and the fact that "medium" format was bigger than full frame. LOOOOOL.
Man I'm rolling out of bed with uncontrolled laughter, this is, without doubt, the best video/attempted explanation of so called sensor 'sizes'... Brilliant... Have a great 2021 Kasey...
This is legitimately the most hilarious video I've seen this year and we are already in January.
I’d pay money to come to your stand up show/set...instead I’ll just watch the 30 sec ads!! Keep them coming!
Now I know what APS-C stands for!
A panda scares a cat 😂
APS-C = A pretty shitty censor
Stupid trivia that I just looked up -- the Micro-Four-Thirds sensor is actually the same as the Four-Thirds sensor (same size) -- and 4/3 came first in DSLR cameras (Olympus, Kodak (!) but not Panasonic) -- then someone brilliantly came up with the idea of using the same sensor in mirrorless cameras, and since they could move the lens flange a lot closer to the sensor, they added "Micro" to the name -- thus Micro Four Thirds. If you look around you can still find some Four Thirds cameras and lenses. But yes -- like many things in the human race, sense has left the building....
Another trivia to add to that, fourthirds refers to the aspect ratio which is... 4:3. For some godly reason (M)4/3 chose a different aspect ratio than any other sensor out there.
@@JohnSmith-wj2wd -- never thought that much about it, but yup. Of course when doing video most MFT crop to 16:9. Found a cool article about aspect ratios of film and digital formats (there are a few other 4:3, but they are rare).
3:2 is an old holdover from FILM. Most ppl print in 4:5 aspect and although 4:3 is not 4:5, there is less pixel loss when cropping 4:3 to 5:4 than with 3:2. I had Olympus 4/3 as my first DSLR. I liked it over APS-C just cause 4:3 was the aspect ratio for TV's before Widescreen came out and less pixel loss when cropping to 4:5 for the images I printed.
Bought an Olympus Evolt 500 4/3's with two lenses for peanuts and it takes beautiful pictures...
Im back watching these old videos..
This is the funniest camera video anywhere!!
I appreciate the silliness of your channel
The numbers are crop factors compared to one inch sensor. So 1/1.7 is 1.7x crop and 1/2.5 is 2.5x crop.
And what makes the 1" sensor 1" (12,8mm x 9,6mm)?
@Permanently Obtunded I understand although it still doesn't make any sense in regards to today's digital camera sensor sizes... :) If 24x36 is the 'full frame' it should be something relatable to that like 2/3, 1/2 etc...
1/1.7 has a crop factor of 4.55, 1/2.5 is 6.02... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ??? Wish that made sense
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format
Guess what, that 1" sensor doesn't actually measure one inch in any way, its real diagonal measurement is about 0.6" or 16mm. Sensor naming is something I've been ranting about for over a decade now, I've always said they should name them by their diagonal measurements just like screens.
"Full Frame"=43.2mm
"APS-c"=28mm
"4/3"=21.6mm
"1-inch"=15.8mm
and by using mm you can easily see what your "neutral" lens is; for example, a 28mm lens on a 28mm sensor (APS-c).
Peter Kent h
@@gertprst9763 The horizontal measurement of a 1" sensor is 13mm which is about a 1/2 inch.
I think they should measure the area in square mm and make it rounded to the nearest 100 or 1000 sq mm. The 4/3 came from the aspect ratio. Nothing to do with inch. The 1" is for me a total mystery. Don't know if Sony (who started it) knows it either.
@@TheKentaurion Actually Sony didn't start the 1" naming convention; this horrible naming convention comes from old video cameras form the 1930-1980s that used a cathode ray tube (CRT). The confusion comes from the fact that a "1-inch" CRT camera produced a 16mm image so from then on 1" = 16mm. Yes, they mixed metric with imperial, cause why be practical when they can be misleading and convoluted?
The 4/3" sensor isn't named after the ratio, it just happens to have a 4:3 ratio, a 4/3" sensor is a "1.3-inch sensor". Since a 4/3 sensor is 21.6mm diagonal you would divide that by 16mm to get 1.35 in "CRT inches", that gets rounded and converted to a traditional 1/3 inch fraction which is 4/3".
Using a "square mm" standard may be technically more accurate but is not as helpful in photography than a "diagonal measurement standard". With the diagonal, we can gauge how a focal length will "behave" on that sensor as well as know the image circle requirements for the lens. However, I do agree that the aspect ratio is an issue; since most photographic sensors are 3:2, that should the be the assumed ratio unless otherwise noted; just like how most displays are 16:9.
Thanks for that amount of info! Didn't know the problem went this long back in time. Someone clever should once and for all make a suitable naming-type that we all could use and understand. Thanks once again for sharing your knowledge!
Dude you keep getting better and better with each successive video, thank you!
This is probably your finest hour (so far). Comedy and education all in one hit 😂
As a Micro 4/3's shooter, you made my day!
Things get worse when you used metric system all your life and have no idea how long inch is :D
It's simple. A 1/2.3 inch sensor translates to a simple 1.104/1 cm sensor, which in reality is more like 0.77 cm, which can easily be written as a simple 19.5/25 cm sensor. How hard is that?
I can’t even imagine having to do CAD or such in inches.. you can’t even ad up simple measurements without doing some long conversion math.
@@mikerose2504 Yeah but no one knows what a mm is... like what is it? I know what an inch is, but a mm? That's just nuts.
@@rodmunch69 A mm is precisely 1/25.4 of an inch.
nyalarhotep wow, so if I want to impress a chick I can tell her my peckers is a solid 100mm. Now I get why everyone else uses metric.
welcome to imperial measurements units a unit setup so stupid that people using it give up mid way and said lets just say a inch is 2.54 centimeters in a 1800's
That’s not how imperial units work but lol. An inch is just some arbitrary length that was agreed upon but metric actual has science/thought behind it.
@@paulchoate1 that is exactly how it works National Prototype 1 Metre Bar No. 27, made in 1889 and is the bases of all american length unit 1893 to 1960 . its just sad that american manufacturer has to base everything of off metric system and then do the conversion for no reason . This is the only time Americans are stupid actually makes sense (Most of time they are smart slow but smart )
@@AnupamVipul Yes there is an agreed upon length for imperial units but it's based on nothing scientific. It just so happens that one inch equals 2.54 cm. It's not like metric is based on imperial units! Back in the old times one foot equaled the size of the King's foot! It's ridiculous we still use this system.
@@paulchoate1 That is what i was saying its stupid . imperial measurements units does not exist they are not tied down to any laws of nature or have any physical standards which means all it is just converted metric units has been form 1890 . We must kill imperial measurements units for the sake of humanity , imperial measurements must die
Been watching your videos all week...this one cracked me up the most..have to watch 2.4/3 times
The sensor nomenclature confused the heck out of me too! While I understand it now it really doesn't make any sense and it's easy to see why people scratch their heads. Great delivery, who knew the history behind that first camera! 😁
Why someone hasn't made a video like this *with colorful and universal descriptions, prior to this... is beyond me.
He asked a lot of really good questions.
Just 'found' this channel a few weeks ago...but have been binge-watching ever since. One-oneth is pure genius!
We know the story is gonna be serious when the year it happened is a single digit.
I have been watching all your videos man. You have a very unique, entertaining style
You have just begun to crack the true sensor size conspiracy. People think the 1” sensor in their new Sony camera is 1” diagonally. In reality it’s about 2/3”… A micro 4/3 sensor is not 1.3”, it’s actually only .85” diagonally and a 2/3” sensor is less that a half inch. It’s all fake measurements based on the diagonal size of obsolete glass camera tubes from the 70’s & 80’s.
"Full Frame"=43.2mm
"APS-c"=28mm
"4/3"=21.6mm
"1-inch"=15.8mm
and by using mm you can easily see what your "neutral" 1x lens is; for example, a 28mm lens on a 28mm sensor (APS-c) would be a 1x FoV and a 56mm would be 2x.
@@MrPeterMKent It just might be that there's only one "neutral" lens ever made for full frame: Pentax SMC FA 43mm f/1.9 Limited. Btw, someone in some video claimed that there is a scientific way of calculating the perfect focal length for portraits and that's sensor diagonal length times two. Okay, so that would actually be very close to 85mm. But it doesn't make sense... because portrait of what? A human head? A tiny kitten's head? :D There's so much confusion and odd interpretations, myths etc.
Glenn Przyborski you can’t use decimals in inches. Saying .85” just doesn’t work and isn’t right!
+Keith Brown
Actually, to make thing more confusing, decimals are used in imperial, commonly in engineering, math, and machining. In machinging for example, a mil(or thou) is 0.0001 inches. Decimals are easier to work with in complicated questions, so if you were determined to use inches in a physics problem, you would use decimals, not fractions. Using decimals for imperial measurements is 100% okay, and relatively commonplace outside of elementary/highschool mathmatics.
Oh my God! My brain hurts...
one of the best episodes
Keep um coming mam, you make my day much brighter.
Just watched this video after watching your background blur video. Awsome!!!
Thanks for explaining. Much clearer now.......
Congrats on the funny Video..... been watching you grow for a while.... keep it up!!!
i would have liked to hear you go deeper into the board meeting for medium sized sensor...
but anyways, you did put the sweet caramel icing on top!!
This is actually the funniest of your vids so far
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Great Video, laughed out-loud many times!
Well done!, as usual you have the best way of expressing what we all have to endure, the manufacturers determination to baffle us all with pseudo-science, anything and everything to make our lives even more difficult!. Will you try one on aperture next, how it gets smaller as it gets bigger, and why?. Cheers, Richard.
I love accurate historical references.
Can’t wait to pick up my first little frame camera
Dude you need to do stand up. Keep sharing your gift of humor with the world dude. Loving every video.
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Comedy gold man. Gonna have to buy one of those sensors to say thanks!
You need to make a video on the sensor size names AFTER full frame. BLU Frame(Better Left Undiscovered Frame). We would love to hear of the inventive names you could come up with!
Oh man, I was laughing out load with this one! You have a talent and it’s hilarious! Well done!
You are definitely the Funniest UA-cam Photography Channel going right now..
Possibly the Funniest on ALL of UA-cam!?!
You kill me! 😁
LOL Crackin' me up. Good info presented as well. keep up the good work.
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and the answer is caramel!
Salted caramel is at its best when mixed with fudge.
Crikey mate. I'm glad we've cleared that up.........
I finally found someone who makes sense about camera manufactures on You Tube. Board member Karen must have relatives on every camera manufactures Board. Well done!
great video, man, made me laugh hard, love the big foot touch at the end :)
Thanks Karen
Loved the video. Laughed a lot and leant a lot ..wish my teachers were half as entertaining...🤣
Good video.
Ohh man! So glad i've found this channel. Its hilarious :D.
Gotta think of it as a pile of cocaine in gram.
Like 1/2.3 is like getting 1 gram of coke out of a pile of 2.3 grams.
1" sensor is actually 1/1. So you get it ALLLLLL.
4/3... means... you snorted so much up your nose, there's actually more up there than there was in the pile to begin with... mmkai.
Best explanation ever
That has made it all so much clearer.
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Greatest channel on the internets!
They should call it nonsense-or sizes, the closest I can come to making sense of at least some of it is if you divide the numorater by the denominator, you get a number which if you multiply by 10 roughly equals the sensor height in mm.....How messed up is that! You hit gold with this subject given the name of your channel.
Love this!
Best video on UA-cam
Keep up the hilarious work 😂😂
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Ahahaha great video my dude. "1 over 1.7" hysterical
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This was one of your funniest videos and it made me laugh a lot. At 6 in the morning, I'm pretty sure I woke people up. My room mate thanks you.
best in depth analysis of sensors since discovery of sensors in 4.500BC.
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Oh ive wondered this many times.