You hinted at a bit of a choice for Josh Weddle's spot, he is an automatic pick. I am not sure many people realise how good he will be. The guy is as big as any of the biggest mids in the comp. Bont is 192 and 86kg, Perracca is 186 and 94, Weddle is 192 and 92, and is not yet 20 years old. He was best performed in the 2k time trial and the beep test, first day back at hawks pre season training. He is a good decision maker with the ball and a good kick. He takes on the game at every opportunity and is hard to tackle. He will be a weapon whether he ends up as a genuine mid or wing or stays as a running half back.
Your right. I think he is going to be elite. He has all the traits. I just hope he settles into a position and doesn't get thrown around to much. Look forward to seeing how he performs in 2024.
Nope hawk's finish 8th to 10th! See if I'm wrong!! This club has proven over last 60 years 13 cups and won a cup every decade they no adzactly how to build a team! That record is not luck! Its history passed down! One current coach Andy played in 3 cups in 80s! Sam was under Clarko! Its history passed down! They have PROVEN it! States don't lie! Either does consistency!
Can see Bruest playing another 3 years hardly gets injured or tackled and just goes about it the right way. Battle for spots up forward for sure especially in the smaller sized forwards.
appreciate all the effort put into this video!! great analogy,, i feel like alot of fine tuning has gone into the best 22, the addition of Karl Amon to our half back line compliments Impey and Sis perfectly, Ambrossio is a perfect addition to our midfield now and having CJ back is bloody GOD mode lol, Josh weddle making some serious improvements very versatile either full back or full to mid forward.
You included jack scrimshaw in our backline I love you now. I think Blanck will have to watch his consistency or McCabe can easily take his spot. That being said I love frosty too but he has to put in some serious work or delisting is likely.
Yup, it's not necessarily who's in the best 22, it's also how strong at the 23-28/30'ish. During our 3-peat era we were regularly utilising the majority of the list.
Great job for a non-supporter looking in, and must say that I think most of the comments below are totally on the money. I think this will be the year that we start to phase out those with a B grade ceiling in order to allow the budding A graders to come through. I can see the likes of Morrison, Impey, Frost and Wingard starting to make way towards the end of next year, although I think politically Wingard will probably be gifted a few games to help restore the image of the family club.
*Hello there If you know you know Look I'm no fan of Hawthorn never have been. But for the sake of the off season where you can put one's bias opinion away. Well you gotta say Hawthorn do have a very balanced list. Granted it's got work to do in development and on field progression. Yet this can be a side we see slingshot itself up the ladder at any given year from 2025 onwards. I can't say if they'll break into finals and break into it convincingly but tbh there's a good mold of players here and there's certainly a good chance for them to have a consistent year as last year which would be like you basically said "par for the course". I'm a North fan btw.
Best hawks list ive seen so far. I think if they are going to fit Mass in here, Wardy would be sitting out. Another commentor said 10-13th, I think thats probably the aim, if we can tidy up the gap between our best and worst, its achieveable. On this trajectory we should be ok to pick up Cooper Hodge and get ready for our 2028 flag 😅 Great anaylsis, love the videos.
I really hope Denver Grainger-Barras finally has a breakout year in 2024 and grabs hold of the key back position, absolutely crying out for a quality key defender. I honestly don't think he will though which is a real gut punch having such a low pick go to waste. Must be what it feels like to go for Carlton.
Really depends if the hawks can consistently keep their best 22 on the park. Midfield depth is building nicely (Nuke,Worps,Nash,Day,Ward,Amon,Mackenzie). Reeves 2nd half of the year made some big steps & hopefully rolls on to 24'. The problem lies in the backline with the lack of a key defender (McCabe looks a ripper but still has to develop) & the fwd line is an unknown quantity. Lewis & Breust are star quality but Chol even though can show he can play at the level is inconsistent. Gunston at his age/injuries might be more value off the field than on it. Playing to their full potential could make the 8 but more realistically 25'/26'.
Great work on my hawks. I dont see Impey, Weddle and Jiath fitting in the same team. I think it would look better with D'Ambrosio in Jiath's spot to try to break lines with kicking rather than running. Jiath has great attributes but many exploitable weaknesses, his handballing is atrocious and his kicking is not great when under pressure. He often gets to contests when he needs to go third man up, hesitates and then either doesn't go or goes late and his oponent is sitting out the back on his own. There is aome genuine depth bulding that has not been there in the past few years. Interesting year, I said this about the tiges too but I would not be totally surprised to see them finish anywhere from 9th-16th. Improvement will come but it is rarely linear. The list is clearly better than last year. The forward line has potential to be very high scoring but may take a bit of time to gel with new faces there and an old new face.
@@epektasis242 Yeah, Jiath is looking fit and like he has put on a few kilos too. I have always thought he would be better on a wing where he can be more offensive. He is also pretty good overhead when he just goes at the ball so he can both provide a target on the wing when we have the ball at half back and compete in the air against opposition ruckman trying to provide a target the other way. He is also a pretty good guy to be on the wing at the end of a switch from the opposite half back flank. If he has a little space on a wing, he will run a quick 20-30 and be able to kick deep into the forward line, he is a pretty good kick when on the run, not exactly a precision passer but good enough to kick to advantage side of a forward.
Hawthorn would have to be the most difficult team to pick next year - along with Saints and Dogs, the first of whom have a tendency to overperform and then fall off the cliff, the latter of whom seem to underperform 4 years out of 6. Hawthorn are good enough to make the 8 given a relatively injury free run and more consistent performances, the caveat being that they do rely hugely on Sicily whose absence resulted in their worst losses post the Eagles game.
Good job for a non Hawks supporter. Our VC Dylan Moore and Massimo will be in our best 22. I think CJ is behind Seamus Mitchell and Jai Serong personally but who knows what Sam Mitchell is cooking with this list. I don't think we will jump up the ladder much but as long as we are more competitive and consistent, and the kids keep developing it will be a good sign for the future. Sam Mitchell obviously had the gameplan wrong at the start of the year and had to adjust and adapt quickly. After seeing the game against Collingwood that would have given them all belief they are on the right path. Weddle is going to play a huge role in our success, he could be anything. Can't wait for the season to begin.
Hawks can make finals 2024, player development, cohesive couching and aggressive belief within the club, can make this happen. I believe we can do this! Scott
Very good crack at best 22 but it's likely that CJ will play wing and Amon HB this year. So swap them and have Weddle on-field for possibly Impey and I think that's what it'll look like.
@@jarradbaker8200 RUBBISH Chad is an elite player when fit! Why we beat pies last year you ask???? I'll tell you CHAD WINGARD! Thats why we beat other top teams!!! CHAD WINGARD! He is 30 if they can have him fit in 2 years time He will help win us a cup! And don't be fooled by current form! Why I'll tell you! Firstly I'm a male and I'm in process of volunteering at training! Head of volunteering his name is John! Go to training and were the guys are standing with Gatorade and water and ask for renners!! He will say hi a nice bloke! But back to team! Do you no who will be cup midfield? Daisy did apprenticeship at half back!! Who is a HUGE power runner quality ball user tuff strong great mark currently at half back?? WEDDS! Who is a 197cm elite ball user and currently in seconds dominating?? Huskwaite! You think worpal and Nash are Elite players like daisy and newc wedds and huss?? The future midfield is daisy wedds newc huss! Outsiders cam amon mass wardy! All elite players! Nash can't kick and worpal is average at best! Last year daisy signed a 5 year contract worp 2! What does that tell you! And if you think chaddy is not a star your deluded! I get the injuries but if they can have him fit in 2 years a cup will come! Like Crawford did in 08!! Imagine daisy weddle newc huss as mids! Thats a powerful combination! All tuff big strong ball winners and ball users! The issue now is the midfield but the real midfield is being built! And when it comes look at out competition! Worp and Nash sadely are just playing a rebuild role till the kids are ready! In 1 year so next year round 3 worp and Nash will be in seconds! Will McCabe cj Denver down back weddle to midfield huss to midfield then watch what happens! Frost gone too! The media don't no whats really happening! No idea at all all! And you thinking chadd is a waste means you dont no the reality of the team and what the future will be! No idea at all! Go to training get involved watch seconds were some more talent is on show! And learn the rebuild not this week's coming game! Its just a practice match for Sam and hawk's! Wait till the real stuff begins!!
Connor MacDonald gets occasional highlights but spends 99% of his game around the action either doing nothing or messing up the play. Can barely pressure or lay a tackle and if champion data weren't so loose on their definition of a tackle he'd only have 1-2 for the season. Hopefully he gets better but go to a match and watch him specifically play and I guarantee it'll frustrate you
@@hnorth5205 He does frustrate me. But Ward frustrates me more in his timidity. I will give Macdonald temporarily some grace because he is playing in the hardest position on the ground to impact. However, both are very young
If Sicily and Lewis can stay on the field hawthorn will finish closer to 11th than bottom 4 Remember they beat both collingwood and Brisbane this year so they will give a lot of teams trouble Definitely lacking another good tall defender but have a much better forward line this year
I think our top end mids are promising, we just need a few more who can reliably rotate thru there. Eventually McGuinness may lose his spot to McKenzie or Hustwaite if they develop. And we have a deep back so a few could follow Day and start playing some mid/wing time, like Jiath and Weddle. If Lewis has more injury issues that where our weakness is. Overall another couple years waiting for our recently drafted mids to develop and we may be ready to make the 8.
He's still got a lot to prove. He is great in a straight line but hasn't mastered other areas of AFL. CJ was similar, and he has struggled with developing an all round game (in addition to injury).
You hinted at a bit of a choice for Josh Weddle's spot, he is an automatic pick. I am not sure many people realise how good he will be. The guy is as big as any of the biggest mids in the comp. Bont is 192 and 86kg, Perracca is 186 and 94, Weddle is 192 and 92, and is not yet 20 years old. He was best performed in the 2k time trial and the beep test, first day back at hawks pre season training. He is a good decision maker with the ball and a good kick. He takes on the game at every opportunity and is hard to tackle. He will be a weapon whether he ends up as a genuine mid or wing or stays as a running half back.
Yeah I actually didn't mean to imply he wasn't a lock - I reckon he is locked in for round 1 for sure.
Your right. I think he is going to be elite. He has all the traits. I just hope he settles into a position and doesn't get thrown around to much. Look forward to seeing how he performs in 2024.
This is aging like fine wine. What a gun he is
Of all the best 22 Hawthorn lists I've seen. Yours is definitely the best. I can see us 10-13th next year and 2025 a possible finals berth
I'd say 13th to 15th. More likely finals 2026. Eagles are basically 2 years behind them.
Nope hawk's finish 8th to 10th! See if I'm wrong!! This club has proven over last 60 years 13 cups and won a cup every decade they no adzactly how to build a team! That record is not luck! Its history passed down! One current coach Andy played in 3 cups in 80s! Sam was under Clarko! Its history passed down! They have PROVEN it! States don't lie! Either does consistency!
@@mareewalker1096 that means nothing
Key position depth may be an issue, especially in defence. Surely they want sicily being third tall, to intercept and do his own thing
Yep
Can see Bruest playing another 3 years hardly gets injured or tackled and just goes about it the right way. Battle for spots up forward for sure especially in the smaller sized forwards.
appreciate all the effort put into this video!! great analogy,, i feel like alot of fine tuning has gone into the best 22, the addition of Karl Amon to our half back line compliments Impey and Sis perfectly, Ambrossio is a perfect addition to our midfield now and having CJ back is bloody GOD mode lol, Josh weddle making some serious improvements very versatile either full back or full to mid forward.
This is great 🔥
Glad you liked it!
Was hanging for this hawks vid! Thanks mate and congrats on the channels success so far :)
Hawthorn's "draw" is ranked as difficult as Collingwoods. It is in the top 5 hardest draws. More good work from the AFL's equalisation committee.
Better for Hawthorn's development in the long run.
Strong review. I'd agree with most of this. Go those mighty Hawks! Hopefully a 2007 rise ahead of time is coming!
glad to see you didn't forget cj, I know many have as he spent essentially the whole year injured
a few years of just waiting for the hawks, your next finals team is probably all there, just need to give them games and patience.
Pretty good assessment. Maybe mention change of coach in change of Hawthorns recruitment/delisting's as a factor?
Pretty spot on with your review 👍
Watched every single one so far
Legend!
Your very knowledgeable considering you dont even go for the hawks, well done mate. Go hawks
You included jack scrimshaw in our backline I love you now. I think Blanck will have to watch his consistency or McCabe can easily take his spot. That being said I love frosty too but he has to put in some serious work or delisting is likely.
I don't like whay I see from Blanck, but I only see the highlights. so can't judge
can see the depth building
it will take a few years.
Yup, it's not necessarily who's in the best 22, it's also how strong at the 23-28/30'ish.
During our 3-peat era we were regularly utilising the majority of the list.
Great job for a non-supporter looking in, and must say that I think most of the comments below are totally on the money. I think this will be the year that we start to phase out those with a B grade ceiling in order to allow the budding A graders to come through. I can see the likes of Morrison, Impey, Frost and Wingard starting to make way towards the end of next year, although I think politically Wingard will probably be gifted a few games to help restore the image of the family club.
*Hello there
If you know you know
Look I'm no fan of Hawthorn never have been. But for the sake of the off season where you can put one's bias opinion away. Well you gotta say Hawthorn do have a very balanced list. Granted it's got work to do in development and on field progression. Yet this can be a side we see slingshot itself up the ladder at any given year from 2025 onwards. I can't say if they'll break into finals and break into it convincingly but tbh there's a good mold of players here and there's certainly a good chance for them to have a consistent year as last year which would be like you basically said "par for the course".
I'm a North fan btw.
Best hawks list ive seen so far. I think if they are going to fit Mass in here, Wardy would be sitting out.
Another commentor said 10-13th, I think thats probably the aim, if we can tidy up the gap between our best and worst, its achieveable.
On this trajectory we should be ok to pick up Cooper Hodge and get ready for our 2028 flag 😅
Great anaylsis, love the videos.
Unless he nominates through northern academy for Brisbane nervous sweats
What year do we get cooper hodge and how good is he
Hodge can select lions and don't forget silks son he can nominate hawk's! Both are good!
I reckon Hawthorn could be pushing for finals or even push for up to 12th spot next year with the recruits they brought in, whether it works or not.
I really hope Denver Grainger-Barras finally has a breakout year in 2024 and grabs hold of the key back position, absolutely crying out for a quality key defender. I honestly don't think he will though which is a real gut punch having such a low pick go to waste. Must be what it feels like to go for Carlton.
Well said
Really depends if the hawks can consistently keep their best 22 on the park.
Midfield depth is building nicely (Nuke,Worps,Nash,Day,Ward,Amon,Mackenzie).
Reeves 2nd half of the year made some big steps & hopefully rolls on to 24'.
The problem lies in the backline with the lack of a key defender (McCabe looks a ripper but still has to develop) & the fwd line is an unknown quantity.
Lewis & Breust are star quality but Chol even though can show he can play at the level is inconsistent.
Gunston at his age/injuries might be more value off the field than on it.
Playing to their full potential could make the 8 but more realistically 25'/26'.
04:15 sticks went to Brisbane 👍 just throw in a sneaky edit
Whoops! haha
Great work on my hawks. I dont see Impey, Weddle and Jiath fitting in the same team. I think it would look better with D'Ambrosio in Jiath's spot to try to break lines with kicking rather than running. Jiath has great attributes but many exploitable weaknesses, his handballing is atrocious and his kicking is not great when under pressure. He often gets to contests when he needs to go third man up, hesitates and then either doesn't go or goes late and his oponent is sitting out the back on his own. There is aome genuine depth bulding that has not been there in the past few years. Interesting year, I said this about the tiges too but I would not be totally surprised to see them finish anywhere from 9th-16th. Improvement will come but it is rarely linear. The list is clearly better than last year. The forward line has potential to be very high scoring but may take a bit of time to gel with new faces there and an old new face.
Yep ambrossio McKenzie wedds McCabe dear Gianni wiz are future! So frost cj worp blank Nash are questionable!
@@epektasis242 Yeah, Jiath is looking fit and like he has put on a few kilos too. I have always thought he would be better on a wing where he can be more offensive. He is also pretty good overhead when he just goes at the ball so he can both provide a target on the wing when we have the ball at half back and compete in the air against opposition ruckman trying to provide a target the other way. He is also a pretty good guy to be on the wing at the end of a switch from the opposite half back flank. If he has a little space on a wing, he will run a quick 20-30 and be able to kick deep into the forward line, he is a pretty good kick when on the run, not exactly a precision passer but good enough to kick to advantage side of a forward.
Hawthorn would have to be the most difficult team to pick next year - along with Saints and Dogs, the first of whom have a tendency to overperform and then fall off the cliff, the latter of whom seem to underperform 4 years out of 6.
Hawthorn are good enough to make the 8 given a relatively injury free run and more consistent performances, the caveat being that they do rely hugely on Sicily whose absence resulted in their worst losses post the Eagles game.
Good job for a non Hawks supporter. Our VC Dylan Moore and Massimo will be in our best 22. I think CJ is behind Seamus Mitchell and Jai Serong personally but who knows what Sam Mitchell is cooking with this list. I don't think we will jump up the ladder much but as long as we are more competitive and consistent, and the kids keep developing it will be a good sign for the future. Sam Mitchell obviously had the gameplan wrong at the start of the year and had to adjust and adapt quickly. After seeing the game against Collingwood that would have given them all belief they are on the right path. Weddle is going to play a huge role in our success, he could be anything. Can't wait for the season to begin.
Great Video, Go hawks
Hawks can make finals 2024, player development, cohesive couching and aggressive belief within the club, can make this happen.
I believe we can do this!
Scott
Seen the first few games 😂
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@@Alutacea happy to admit i was wrong
Very good crack at best 22 but it's likely that CJ will play wing and Amon HB this year. So swap them and have Weddle on-field for possibly Impey and I think that's what it'll look like.
The problem with Hawthorn is a good defensive team will destroy them. But they can keep up with the best attacks it's true.
Plz do Essendon
The reason the put Chad in rookie draft gave them more draft capital! He was traded back immediately! So he is on the list!
Ahhh - I get it now!
Waste of a list spot
@@jarradbaker8200 RUBBISH Chad is an elite player when fit! Why we beat pies last year you ask???? I'll tell you CHAD WINGARD! Thats why we beat other top teams!!! CHAD WINGARD! He is 30 if they can have him fit in 2 years time He will help win us a cup! And don't be fooled by current form! Why I'll tell you! Firstly I'm a male and I'm in process of volunteering at training! Head of volunteering his name is John! Go to training and were the guys are standing with Gatorade and water and ask for renners!! He will say hi a nice bloke! But back to team! Do you no who will be cup midfield? Daisy did apprenticeship at half back!! Who is a HUGE power runner quality ball user tuff strong great mark currently at half back?? WEDDS! Who is a 197cm elite ball user and currently in seconds dominating?? Huskwaite! You think worpal and Nash are Elite players like daisy and newc wedds and huss?? The future midfield is daisy wedds newc huss! Outsiders cam amon mass wardy! All elite players! Nash can't kick and worpal is average at best! Last year daisy signed a 5 year contract worp 2! What does that tell you! And if you think chaddy is not a star your deluded! I get the injuries but if they can have him fit in 2 years a cup will come! Like Crawford did in 08!! Imagine daisy weddle newc huss as mids! Thats a powerful combination! All tuff big strong ball winners and ball users! The issue now is the midfield but the real midfield is being built! And when it comes look at out competition! Worp and Nash sadely are just playing a rebuild role till the kids are ready! In 1 year so next year round 3 worp and Nash will be in seconds! Will McCabe cj Denver down back weddle to midfield huss to midfield then watch what happens! Frost gone too! The media don't no whats really happening! No idea at all all! And you thinking chadd is a waste means you dont no the reality of the team and what the future will be! No idea at all! Go to training get involved watch seconds were some more talent is on show! And learn the rebuild not this week's coming game! Its just a practice match for Sam and hawk's! Wait till the real stuff begins!!
Hawthorn supporters get upset when media the don't put Connor Macdonald in their best 22... you passed that test `TF'.
Connor MacDonald gets occasional highlights but spends 99% of his game around the action either doing nothing or messing up the play. Can barely pressure or lay a tackle and if champion data weren't so loose on their definition of a tackle he'd only have 1-2 for the season. Hopefully he gets better but go to a match and watch him specifically play and I guarantee it'll frustrate you
@@hnorth5205 He does frustrate me. But Ward frustrates me more in his timidity. I will give Macdonald temporarily some grace because he is playing in the hardest position on the ground to impact. However, both are very young
The western Bulldogs should have made the grand final?
Yeah I meant finals - whoops haha
Its not really a very good side. I think Watson will come straight into the starting 18.
Hawks to come 9th and just miss out on finals by by 2 points and 7.5%
Hawks will be bottom 4 for a couple more years. A few injuries and they'll drop off pretty quickly.
Couple more years? Sounds more like wish than actual analysis @@BDub2024
If Sicily and Lewis can stay on the field hawthorn will finish closer to 11th than bottom 4
Remember they beat both collingwood and Brisbane this year so they will give a lot of teams trouble
Definitely lacking another good tall defender but have a much better forward line this year
Sicily is 29 in January, so probably only got 2 more years in the game.
It isn't compulsory to retire at 30. He has plenty more good years in him.
Still got another 5
I think our top end mids are promising, we just need a few more who can reliably rotate thru there. Eventually McGuinness may lose his spot to McKenzie or Hustwaite if they develop. And we have a deep back so a few could follow Day and start playing some mid/wing time, like Jiath and Weddle. If Lewis has more injury issues that where our weakness is. Overall another couple years waiting for our recently drafted mids to develop and we may be ready to make the 8.
He's still got a lot to prove. He is great in a straight line but hasn't mastered other areas of AFL. CJ was similar, and he has struggled with developing an all round game (in addition to injury).