NEW F-150 Lightning vs Rivian R1T - These Aren't for You
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- Опубліковано 27 січ 2024
- This is a direct comparison of the F150 Lightening vs the Rivian R1T Large pack performance. Both great EV truck options.
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Great Review! I’ve put 10k miles on my Extended Range Lariat Lightning now and absolutely love it. I came from a Model 3 Perf and MYLR prior. Our needs put us wanting a truck. Considered the Rivian but the space and vehicle to load sold me. They are both amazing trucks though. My only pet peeve on the Lightning Lariat is the larger screen and less physical controls. I wish I could have gotten the XLT screen on the Lariat. Then it would be perfect. But no other complaints. I avg 2.7 mi/kw driving in SoCal (Lake Forest) and calculated my gas equivalent to be about 48mpg which is amazing for a truck of this size.
Right now the deals on 2022/2023 Lightnings are insane. Anyone in the market should def be looking at them if it fits their budget.
Tesla got you into a F-150. Love it
Saw a rivian r1s and my gosh dude it looks amazing. It was satin white and black underneath. I think I like it more than the truck!
How does Bluecruise compare with Rivian Driver+ and Tesla Autopilot/FSD12? Thanks!
Thanks for this video! I am trading the Y for a standard range lightning this week! Can’t wait!, but i am a truck guy that uses trucks for work. Plus its super hard to get a sheet of plywood in the back of the Y
I traded my 2022 Y performance for a 2023 lightning extended range XLT. 56k out the door brand new with the 7500 tax credit at purchase.
@@rasaanwalker311 63500 for an xlt ER? How? What state?
In Colorado if I drive up in the backcountry like I do with my current diesel truck, can anyone tell me how to get back to town? Where I take my truck I’ve never seen any charging stations.
Make sure your foot isn't holding the brake while the Rivian suspension adjusts, otherwise the suspension binds and can create the noises you are talking about. Possible its something else too tho and just needs service to look at it.
Great video Ben have you seen the Porsche Macan EV I know you had the gas one? Hope you get one to review on the channel.
I have seen it. I will try and get one on the channel
Great video! Can you let us know what your efficiency is in each vehicle? mi/kWh..
I made a video on the F-150 hybrid. Not the best experience. But I am also not convinced by the Lightning. Thanks for the video.
Great video. Thanks Gjeebs.
The adventure hole is so nice.
What’s up with the 2023’s still on the dealer’s lot? I found a nice Lariat with my specs and options. Are they budging on price? Other than heat pump and J3400 Tesla charge port, what’s the downside to a 2023?
Sadly, there’s just a lot of inventory in dealer lots, especially the further rural you go. That being said, I used that as an opportunity to get a fantastic lease deal on a ‘23 Lightning Lariat less than a month ago and those differences you listed were the only ones I found in my research as well. I think the Tesla port isn’t arriving until the ‘25 model so just the heat pump for ‘24.
You should be able to get at least 10% off MSRP on Lariats. Likely even more on Platinums since it’s not a trim many feel is not worth it.
FYI. the creaking you're hearing in the suspension really only happens when you are parked with brakes engaged. I think most people aren't moving suspension up and down while also parked. When you're driving it's mostly silent.
Our R1S also make those clinks with the suspension. That’s just normal for Rivian. I’ve also had their loaners suv and truck and they all do that. You’d think they could figure something out to make it quieter, but it is what it is haha
One of my big complaints with my R1T. Going over speed bumps and you think the front end will fall off.
Great review. I'd definitely contact Rivian about the sounds coming from your air suspension to see if they can't get that taken care of.
Is it me or did the ride mode 'highest' drop the front down? So, how is that 'highest'??
Does the Rivian have photo maps like Tesla? Does one pedal driving on the Rivian work as smoothly as Tesla?
yes has the same maps but the nav isn’t as good and yes it has one pedal driving as well
Really liked what you discussed in the video especially from 15:30 mins onwards. What you said about the quickest of a EV being a major selling point other than government incentives and climate action. While the Rivian is more luxurious with air suspension and tech the Lightning is nice vehicle with the V2L capabilities, cheaper msrp and very spacious interior. Tough choice but that msrp on the lightning is nice, if you can find a dealership to sell it atound that price.
Check around. I just purchased a new '22 (yes '22) Lariat Lightning with fully optioned 511A group and got $13k off MSRP + still have the $7500 tax credit coming to me. In my research I found many Ford dealers willing to discount below MSRP both '22s (if they have one) and '23s where 6 weeks or so ago, not so much.
Suggestion: a visualized summary at the end of each video will be very helpful
Awesome! I currently have a model Y and looking at Rivian. Looking forward to your videos on the truck and how you like it compared to your Tesla. Thanks!
Great video until you start talking about the range in the cost. First you’re not gonna find a brand new hybrid F150 for $35,000. Second of all the standard range battery gets 240 miles, and if you’re driving around town people routinely get 260 miles or more. More than even the cyber truck. Secondly, the extended range battery on a lightning is not that much more, especially for the new trim for 2024. In any case, I’ll lightning with an extended range. Battery is still cheaper than the Rivian.
Yeah brand new f150s are 57-70k in my area. My 23 lightning XLT was 56k. Extended range battery is 10k more. I’ve loved the lightning so far, when my lease is up, I’m excited to possibly try the Silverado EV, but the price on that is not looking promising.
@@amandaadler1860just picked up my lightning at $7600 off sticker, $7500 fed and $3k state… just under $40k for SR xlt
I have an F-150 lightning pro with a standard age battery. Love to have the extended range battery but it is so expensive. Would love a review and even more but it is way too expensive and there are no rivian dealerships in PA. If I could get and EV truck with 300 mi range for about 50 grand that would be perfect. I do love my F-150 pro and got it for about 50 grand (44 grand after federal tax rebate) but the standard range battery is too small for most people unless this is their second vehicle.
Question on your Rivian steering wheel: In the shot at the end I noticed the stitching on the wheel looks to be pulling apart - or was that just an optical illusion?
something weird with the camera I think. also did we go to high point together?
@@Gjeebs yep. Congrats on the kids!
GJeebs, I love your content and screen personality. I am a huge fan! But I own a F-150 Lightning Lariat, I think that would be a more fair comparison to the Rivian R1T. It has more range, and more ammentities such as a panoramic sun roof, leather seats, better trim, etc. It is still a significantly lower price than the Rivian. But nonetheless, I am a huge fan and it is because of your reviews that I went electric!
Enjoyed the review of both trucks! Great job.
I don’t get people with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. I drive a 2016 Toyota 4Runner without these and my life doesn’t end. I’ve rentals with it and honestly I don’t miss it.
The only thing with the F150 Lighting Ford is reducing the EV production starting this year. I’ll stick with the Rivian.
My old car never had ApplePlay and I somehow survived. My new car has wireless CarPlay on board and now... I could still live without it. Nice that they gave it to me but it's just a bonus, not a life-changer.
Wireless CarPlay >>>
Voice texting is the killer feature for me with CarPlay. Without it, I am a much more dangerous driver because, despite knowing it’s dangerous, I still end up texting.
@3:04 that makes one of us. I'll stick with the stick and step. you'll understand in a few decades.
You’re right. The Adventure Hole is a nice feature. *wink*
You should have tested the Lariat ER….much better experience and I take road trips
My F 150 with the large battery pack has 32k on it. Driven in SoCal I’m saving nearly $1000 per month as my last truck was a 2022 Denali diesel…have a large solar system at my home and at work , charging is free. Yep free. Maintenance? Washer fluid and will need tires @40k.
Love the ride and performance, software is awful but I can live with it. 100% write off for my business and a $1000 per month in savings…no down side to that.
I love the name adventure hole.
13:36 did you hit the wrong button....went from high to cheetah stance....
get some 20" wheels and A/T tires and take that Rivian to Sedona
I think I am just going to do it with the street tires haha
I own a Rivian’s R1t quad motor. I actually had an order in for the lightening but I cancelled it because of the extreme mark ups. The Rivian is a superior truck in every way. The lack of range in the lightening to me is a deal breaker. A lightening Lariat with extended range will cost almost 80k. I have an early pre order price which was $71,500. Lastly the ford dealership model of selling and salespeople is a joke. No one wants to play those games. Rivian was purchased via the app no games no BS. Until ford offers direct sales they will look a lot of sales
Lighting for me.
The truck part of the Ford is really good and it looks like the EV part is catching up. Roomy interior, great frunk, and a big bed. I am canceling my Cybertruck order because it does the EV part fairly well but sort of sucks as a truck. Looks like a Lightening in the near future.
You’ll love the Lightning. Luxury ride.
100% agree. My 3rd EV (Kia EV6 & Tesla M3). I love this truck. Its use fits my life. I don't offroad or tow 10,000 lbs. The only issue I have is the standard battery. I wonder what it will be like taking a long road trip. But even if that is a problem, I may take only 2 or 3 a year. 99% of my driving needs are fully met.
What part of truck didn't you like with Cybertruck?
@@Abebe345 probably why I cancelled my order also. It doesn’t offer anything the others don’t have plus you’re rolling around with an interior designed in 2017
@@lrod8692personal choice. There are things it has others don't, but didn't answer my question.
I personally think any family of 4+ should go for lightning. 3 or less should go with RIVIAN.
(If you plan to be a DIY weekend warrior) lightning. If you plan or know just camping-beach-woods-off-roading like the jeeps. Rivian.
I must be doing something wrong because I keep seeing all these videos and comments saying the ford is cheaper and that was NOT my experience when pricing them out. I compared to Lariat extended range because honestly a more fair comparison to the R1T and was consistently getting a higher MSRP and no incentives on the Ford. The Rivian was coming in in the mid-high 80s (dual motor, large pack, road wheels, upgraded paint) and the ford was about same MSRP but Rivian actually passed on incentives and had better financing and ford was coming in WAY higher on per month costs with financing or leasing.
Oh and congrats on your second kid! I have a 5 yr old son and a 3 yr old daughter. Good luck. Ha!
I laughed every time he said adventure hole lol
Waiting for the F-150 Lightning Raptor R
In conclusion, Rivian definitely is still for high income people or content creators. The more videos I watch abour all these electric trucks the more I’m looking to buy F150 lighting lol cheaper and a real truck
My wife also has an adventure hole!
II had a F150 Powerboost. I'll keep my comments to the electric side. I had the same infotainment screen and the same shifter. I only had that truck for 6 months. I ended up hating it. Very shoddy build quality. That shifter handle has a very plasticy feeling. The shift lock button sounded like it was broken. The antenna cable for the GPS had a loose connection somewhere, so the GPS worked 50% of the time. I did not like Ford Sync. The alert tones are weird and sometimes startling. That janky tailgate step. The plastic cover became warped and would not seat flat. At some point it would have needed to be replaced. It's just Ford's cheapo match to the GMC multi tail gate. And there's the size of the truck. It was too big for a garage. I had ½ and inch to the back wall and same to the door when I put it in the garage. So, if I were to get a truck again, I would not go with the Ford. Such a terrible experience, I'll never buy a Ford again.
It's called the "Gear Tunnel"
Y or Lightning? Today I found out about the lightning flash... 320 range for around $69k!
wait, that F150 was $80K? Isn't that basically the same as the Rivian? I'm not sure I'm getting your point about the F150 being way cheaper.
I'm interested in how the Rivian does in the Phoenix heat.
Yea that will be fun I am sure
I have had my R1S since August 2023, I have never had issues with the A/C in Phoenix.
Now that I’ve seen the cybertruck and rivian and ford. I now realize I think I like the ford the best. I used to talk shit about the ford but it really is the real truck and most useful. But for me I would choose the hummer over all of them. Get a truck bed and ttops ❤❤and room and speed
I’m with you there. I have a CT reserved but disappointed with several aspects since launch. Ford is looking best for me.
wondering who came up with the name "Adventure hole " ???????
ME
@@Gjeebs lol you got me I was joking when asked I literally thought was what Rivian named .
it is such a shame that you leased that and then like 3 weeks later they opened up the R1S leases
haha I know and I really just wanted to order the new model 3 and then that came out so I have that on order as well
I think the “yellow features” in the rivian are just decoration.
We get it, you play golf 😂😂
All these fancy trucks. I wish they could just remake older trucks with manual everything thats bullet proof for like $10k
They do. Comes in bottle form, amber liquid.
@@iandavies4853 🤣
@@poobank thanks for seeing it as humour. I don’t need road rage!
The problem with the Ford Lightning is that Ford can't build it at a positive gross margin. They lose something like $35,000 on every Lightning they sell. That's not sustainable, and they've been cutting production drastically because demand is drying up. It's competing with Ford's own F-150 gasser. I would choose a product that's going to be supported for a decade from a company that will be around for a decade.
R1T is the best, of course Ford is even scaling back when they haven’t even produced hardly any they may be later when it comes to ice vehicles, but when it comes to electric Tesla and Rivian are leading the way
Rivian is so much better, I drove a friend's for like 20 mins, it's so comfortable.
I'm in my 60's and in good shape...but I don't do that.
That review is not fair… you put a full rivian R1T vs a Lightning XLT SR… At least do your review with a Lariat ER…
I need people to be less motivated 🤣
You lost me when you said the interior build quality was the same. I've driven and experienced both, and that's far from the truth.
Adventure hole 😭
Also you are hilarious. If you want to get trashed at a football game and drive home drunk hahahah.
F150 has the better build quality, however their software S U C K S!! I own the Mach E, the software has gotten better, but its still pretty trash. The biggest advantage to the F150, in my opinion, is the big interior size. That said, that bigger mass causes a hit to the range. I can't see anyone buying the F150 without the extended battery, the standard battery is just way too small and for some reason finding the extended range is rare on dealer lots.
Saying Ford's ui is better ug, you might want to do some research on Rivian off roading. Apple car play Android auto gets in the way of the useful UI.
Since I bought my Ev April of 2022 I have saved about $3500 not buying gas so I am not sure how you come up with not saving money vs driving a gas vehicle. Not a great video this time around....
💙💙💙💙Lovely
Not an apples to apples. Why? Try a Lariat or platinum. Not great range, c’mon man, you’re driving the standard range. My extended battery gets 320miles of range. You’re driving the standard battery which won’t give you the pull of the extended battery. You should drive the extended battery. Good try tho.
Pulled up next to the Rivian in traffic (in cold NJ), all of the stupid edgeless door handles were stuck in the open position. So dumb that all these EV-first manufacturers can’t get stuff like this correct.
Yeah, but the rivian looks nerdy
Why is there a shifter. Is there a transmission, is there fluid or a simulated trans. Both of which are unnecessary
Dollar for dollar which car do you like more? Rivian.... Lightning or TESLA MODEL Y?
Dollar for Dollar its still the Y. It's all around better than these two
Apples and oranges. Don’t compare a truck to an SUV.
Here in Alberta Canada they are deeply unpopular. Not only does the LFP battery completely reject charging under -25 C ambient temp for safety reasons (so most of winter it won't even accept a charge) but the range is completely unworkable. Right now our dealerships are paying you to drive them for a few days just to get them oj the road.
When he says “I think you should just be able to do this” and jumps into the bed of the truck he lost me. Only a 20 something would ever say that. Clueless.
Tell me you’re old without telling me you’re old.
It's a joke also you should
Both trucks have way too much fluff. Build a basic truck no frills and sell them for 30k then maybe. Otherwise BYD is going to eat your lunch when their pickup drops. As it stands these are both ridiculously overpriced. Ford should be ashamed and Henry is rolling over in his grave.
F150 Lightning is getting discontinued! Whos this video for?
This won’t age well. Not sure where you found this announced.
Lol
👎👎Thumbs down for this video from me. Both trucks looks great.
There’s zero excitement with electric it’s like a soulless car.
All these EV are overpriced overrated. They need to really allow the Chinese to come into the market to lower cost and push forward the range and other things
China has come into our market a bit too much so let’s not become overly dependent upon them.
@@XX-166 of course not but we need to keep pushing the big four and the Europeans and the over priced Teslas to lower their costs and improve range. Have you see the current prices for new vehicles smh
@@Sam-gs7yb you only pay those inflated prices at the stealership if you walk in as an uninformed buyer. Know your worth and stay in control of the deal and you’ll be fine and at the first sign of b.s. … WALK THE HELL OUT. You give your money to china.. they gain the market share and control.. you’ll have to decide if that’s what you want.
You know each is losing $35,000 - $60,000 each truck, right?
Both are loss leaders, price means nothing about what it cost to make, or is worth.
You should have mentioned the level 2 BS ford put in this truck. If you try to use a level 2 and are not at your house it takes 24 hours for the app to update to let you charge at a level 2 you found. This is SO STUPID. FORD IS STUPID
Lies
I’ve never had that issue on my lightning. Not sure what your talking about 🤷♂️