Neurologist Reviews Coimbra Protocol (High Dose Vitamin D3) for Multiple Sclerosis
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Professor Coimbra claims remarkable success in treating multiple sclerosis with ultra-high doses of vitamin D3 (up to 300,000 IU daily!). In this video, I explore the history of this treatment and the details of the protocol along with the scientific evidence.
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Review of health behavior and the COIMBRA protocol: docs.google.co...
Source of the video: • Video
Information by Professor Coimbra about vitamin D:
desetkams.file...
video in Portuguese with translation of Professor Coimbra answering questions:
• Coimbra, vitamina D e ...
COIMBRA facebook group: / vitamindprotocolnortha...
Pilot study on vitiligo and psoriasis and with vitamin D: www.ncbi.nlm.n...
My book "Resilience in the Face of Multiple Sclerosis" on Amazon: www.amazon.com...
Dr. Brandon Beaber is a board-certified neurologist with subspecialty training in multiple sclerosis and other immunological diseases of the nervous system. He is a partner in the Southern California Permanente Medical Group and practices in Downey, California (South Los Angeles). He has several publications on MS epidemiology and has participated in clinical trials for MS therapeutics. You can follow him on twitter @Brandon_Beaber where he regularly posts about MS news and research.
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he video material by Dr. Brandon Beaber is general educational material on health conditions and is not intended to be used by viewers to diagnose or treat any individual's medical condition. Specifically, this material is not a substitute for individualized diagnostic and treatment advice by a qualified medical/health practitioner, licensed in your jurisdiction, who has access to the relevant information available from diagnostic testing, medical interviews, and a physical examination. To the extent that Dr. Beaber endorses any lifestyle change, behavioral intervention, or supplements, the viewer should consult with a qualified healthcare professional to determine the safety and efficacy of the intervention in light of their individualized information.
My wife has been doing the Coimbra Protocol for three years and her multiple sclerosis has since disappeared. It's incredible.
Some older damage has remained - this therapy must therefore urgently be offered to every newly diagnosed person to avoid permanent damage. Not to do this is like not to provide insulin to diabetes patients individually! It is absurd that the responsible patient representatives and associations have not become active to research this therapy.
Thank you for sharing. There are quite a few studies on vitamin D supplementation, but I was unable to find any studies using these kinds of doses. This study looking at 14,007 IU/d (the SOLAR study where vitamin D was an add on to Rebif) showed absolutely no benefit in terms of NEDA-3: n.neurology.org/content/93/20/e1906
Trying to achieve NEDA-3 with blanket doses is too much to ask for and is bound to fail, this is not even chosen as an outcome in drug trials. With the Coimbra protocol one is very precisely adjusted to the individual dose via PTH, otherwise it does not work. A little too much-fail, a little too less-fail. Then magnesium and stress reduction are essential for success. It is a comprehensive total package.
By the way, the SOLAR study was funded by Merck. With such a bias, one should critically examine the study. The treating physician of my wife, Dr. Reichert in Munich, is preparing a retrospective publication of his MS patients, this should be enough to prove the resounding effectiveness of this therapy. Unfortunately, this is taking far too long.
Dr coimbra deserves a Nobel prize, he's turning brasil upside using his protocol against covid and because of the vaccine they are trying to push around the world they are trying to shut him up, he believes bringing everyone's D levels between 80 and 120ng will make ppl immune to covid
@@DrBrandonBeaber you might be interested in case report by
Dr Flavio A. Cadegiani about Coimbra protocol and Myasthenia Gravis. It is only a case report but it does show wonderfully direct causation of super high dose vitamin D (patient took 80,000-120,000 IU) on her acetylcholine antibodies, disease activity, and when blindly discontinued vitamin D by mistake, severe relapse of both disease activity and antibody status. After reintroducing high dose, she again started to improve. Case report i belive shows in graph her symptoms really started to improve only when she started reaching super high levels. I personally see this often in many patients, who do relapse even if reduced dose from 150,000 IU to 100,000IU daily, for example. But what I am sure of too, is that Coimbra claims about 95% remission rates are vastly exaggerated which will be soon proven.
That’s amazing listening to your wife’s story :) - so many in Australia same thing following high dosage D3 and no more autoimmune problems (MS) and agree with you 100% 👍 - also the gut health .. leaky gut. Major problems when it comes to triggering off MS. All starts from the Gut. Something so simple is being ignored.
This is interesting that D3 is not a ‘vitamin’ but a hormone and a lot are being confused of this FACT -
energyhealersteve.com/vitamin-d3-this-is-huge/
When I booked myself in to see a neurologist because I thought my pain walking had to be a pinched nerve then after in-depth blood test I was told MS.. all was fine with bloods but he was concerned with my D levels (very low). The moment dr said that .. I needed no other help but to do this myself because their was no way I will allow any suppression of my immune with Chemo drugs. I did not want to suppress anything with drugs but work out why my myelin Sheath is being attacked ... I wanted the root cause fixed n nothing masking it with some infusion 4 rest of life. I also think the Wahls protocol is the best as well. That said enough is enough .. needs to be a better way. A woman that was wheelchair bound 2 walking fit as a fiddle. We do not realise how strong our immune system is if we feed and nourish it.
I personally take 50.000 UI/day and being very happy with the results, it will be one year of this treatment for me, and no MS relapses since I started. Before I had 2 attacks within just 4 months. I’d also love to see some clinical study on that, hoping that the German one will get through soon. The main issue is probably the financial part? Most of other studies are sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies, developers of the drugs, in this case is impossible as the supplement/lifestyle treatment goes against the pharma industry.
Out of curiosity, what level of 25-OH vitamin D do you have taking this dose?
@@DrBrandonBeaber it varies in each exam, but it’s more than 100 ng/ml. However the key is not the vit D level itself. For the Coimbra protocol to be most effective is to reach and maintain PTH around the lower lab limit.
Do u need to take other things alongside this high vit D dose
@@ernietollar407
Never take calcium rich foods or supplements calcium, when following the Coimbra protocol.
Search the protocol of this neuroligist ( the original ).
The sun gives me sickness, instead health.
I need to stay in the shade allways.
I also get lip sores when in the sun! My immunesystem gets weak under the sun and heat.
I collapse.
So..., only shade and not go out when it is hot outside.
🇧🇷As a Brazilian I feel proud of Dr. Coimbra ! since I watched an interview with him I increased my sun exposure; my anxiety is almost completely gone, my overall health is visibly better!🇧🇷Vitamine D heals🙌Thank you God for the Sun
I actually have a separate video on the possible connection between sunlight and MS: ua-cam.com/video/f0DqKB_L6-o/v-deo.html
Maybe you could toss out God altogether and just worship the Sun.
@@WarmWeatherGuy you an Heathen needing salvation. Never worship the creation, but the Creator.
@@DrBrandonBeaber Diagnosed about a month ago by a quack in the eyes hospital. Am in north Scotland so daylight is hard to get for much of the year 🤔
Might give this D3 lark a try ☀️
@@WarmWeatherGuy God created the sun. Worship the Creator, not the creation. 😎
Have been on the Coimbra Protocol for the past 10 months and have unbelievably had symptoms improve for the first time in 25-years of dealing with MS. I’ll need probably 2 to 2-½ years to see all the benefits, compared to those that start the protocol who are newly diagnosed. So far: I’ve doubled my exercise routine, sleep about 2-3 hrs less each night, almost no naps (vs 2-3 hr nap/day), and my cognition is noticeably improved.
And thank you Dr. Beaber for all that you do for the MS community!
Dose?
I started at 50k iu but will try 100k iu every other day instead
The only safe and effective way to proceed with the CP is with a properly trained Dr. Good luck.@@stefanallard3084
@@stefanallard3084 50 UI todos los días?
I’ve been on the Coimbra protocol for 1.5 years. I take 78k IUs of D3 per day. My spinal cord lesions are gone!! They started to faded after 6 months on the protocol. It’s amazing!! My MS symptoms are nearly gone, when only last year the docs thought I had progressive MS. I’m only progressing towards greater health ❤ So grateful for the Coimbra protocol!!
And I tell everyone about it, and highly recommend it.
How much is 1 pill ?
@@RobdeKlerk-qg6lc It's a protocol that's mentioned in this video
@@zack.dar40 thanks
K2 - MK7 is advised alongside Vitamin D3 to get maximum benefit and avoid any calcium issues.
and magnesium because the MK7 will deplete the magnesium in your body
@@chingonbass vitamin D uses magnesium as well
There is a study planned in Germany.
It starts in 2021 with the University of Berlin.
Study about what please
@@mouniamouniaa2385 coimbraprotokoll?!
I wonder if this will still go ahead due to the "virus!"
Lol
I’m taking 50000IU a day along with the 5 cofactors. I feel amazing! My blood sugar issues have disappeared.
can you a bit more specific with the co factors? I am very interested. I am pre diabetic low carb and normal weight, very strict with food, thank you.
@@bernardmauge8613 magnesium, K2, zinc, boron, and beta carotene
@@Whereismyname34 still taking 50,000 a day ? I take 10,000 iu plus magnesium everyday and K twice a week. Fibro, cfs, premenopause etc
@@karine8738 I’m down to 20,000 IU as I dont seem to need as much to manage my insulin resistance. I think it is the Vitamjn E that has made a difference for me. I have been taking black pepper with my supplements recently as well.
@@Whereismyname34 Thank you !
Anyone taking cholecalciferol is warmly encouraged to become informed by Stasha Gominak's work on the interaction with B vitamins - pantothenic acid B5 and others ...
i agree that Dr. Coimbra should publish more, there is really not alot out there. then again it's only been 10 years, i'm sure they are working on it.
I haven't started Coimbra protocol yet but based on my experience with vitamin D and under the supervision of a qualified doctor, i dare believe it.
Sounds like this doctor would rather use the mainstream expensive dangerous drugs instead of trying out Higher doses of vitamin D. I bet higher doses of vitamin D would be would be far safer and more Is effective than the damn drugs.
very true
My understanding is they can loose their license in the states doing this protocol, at least he’s willing to talk about it. Give him credit for that.
No.. this is just flat out voodoo from Brazil.
Bad idea for this to be mentioned.
Yes it can... I'm from Brazil and it's an amazing protocol. I personally know people who are MS free thanks to this amazing protocol
I also feel proud of Dr Coimbra. A friend had improved enormously from MS.
I have seem miracles with the Coimbra Protocol! All the symptoms are gone! I thank God for the life of Dr. Cicero Coimbra
Dr Coimbra is a genius!
I'm enjoying the comments more than the presentation...
Dear Dr. FYI, the vast majority of Brazilians, like myself, are genetically Caucasian even though to the average American person we would classify as Latin ( which, as a doctor you probably know, it is NOT a separate race, genetically speaking, to other European ancestry such as found in the USA). Take my DNA test for example: I have 72 % genes from Europe ( central and Southern Europe with some Jewish genes ). Then a mix of African and native Americans genes. And I can assure you that I am a typical Brazilian. Our genes are very much mixed but the vast majority is Caucasian not the minority, as we came from Europe ( Portugal and Spanish in the early history timeline, but later on from Italy, Germany and Poland). This is just to educate you on the point you made when you explained that research seem to lead to the assumption that only Caucasians may be impacted by vitamin D deficiency.
Even the black population in brazil is, to a lesser extent, mixed with European genes and it is not at all uncommon that one set of parents may have offsprings with different phenotypes that ranges from light skinned with light eyes to darker individuals in the same family. My family is one such an example, with me being the darkest one of 3 children.
This should completely dismiss any hypothesis related to racial profiling to validate ( or otherwise) Dr Coimbra’s protocol.
Hi! As far as I know, there's a new German research on Coimbra Protocol which has proved it to be effective. Maybe it could be a good idea to review it, too!
Personally, I've been using Coimbra Protocol since 2019 and it has brought me to the strong remission, I have no new lesions or symptoms all these years. Also, there are no side effects in my case and it's much more convenient than using disease modifying drugs. I was diagnosed with MS in 2011.
Hello, I have ms and do Coimbra protocol. Can you please tell me where to find that research?
Pls can you share a link for the study ?
Link Please?
Calcium issue: MUST TAKE VITAMIN K2 -MK7 combined with vitamin D3 and magnesium to ensure calcium goes to the bones and not in the blood. Should also take a teaspoon of olive oil with a pinch of good salt. D3 is fat soluble.
Hi all, I'm from and live in Greece. I have RRMS being in 30.000 IU d3 +k2/day accordingly for 3yrs now. But I am in LC/keto nutrition too. Last month I measured my d3 levels and i have 160 so i stopped taking for 4months as i want it dropped to 150-100. Btw just to note that since the corona thing all my rapid tests have been negative.
How are you feeling now? Did you levels go down?
@@ptdfbwprhq well yes I am, but due to extreme stress with the covid thing i have good and bad days
No hypercalcémia ..in this 3 years ? ..from high dose 30k daily Is lot
@@allwaysforcharity yes I was following till recently ketogenic nutrition and no calcium
An excellent overview. I like your coherent delivery!
Perhaps Coimbra's extreme doses make sense if the patients suffer dysfunction in some stage of the Vitamin D pathway. There are any number of polymorphisms in the assorted enzymes, transport proteins, and the VD receptor itself, that can significantly reduce the effective dose delivered to the end-user cells and VD-activated genes. Do you screen your patients for these mutations?
FWIW, 8K D3 per day did amazing things for my arthritic hip (somewhere around 'stage 3' / moderate) and long-ago injured ankle. I started taking it at the beginning of the pandemic and wasn't even looking for an O.A. treatment because "D3 does nothing for O.A." In that sense, my 'trial' was blind. But then I woke up about a month later and realized 'Hey, my joints aren't sore!' After another pain-free month, it was clear that 'something had changed,' and the only lifestyle/diet/etc. change was the VD supplementation. I'm sure the joint is still wonky, but the near 100% relief from the pain is most welcome. Before D, normal walking caused significant pain after only about 1/4 mile. I'd need to stop and unload the joint and 're-set the odometer' before continuing. And too much total mileage could trigger an inflammatory attack that left me in great pain for several days. But now I can now walk / hike indefinite distance with only a hint of hip discomfort that vanishes by the time I get home.
The more I read about VD, the more interesting it gets. It's a DEEP rabbit hole indeed! It's a little late in the day, but I kind of wish I'd become a biochemist...
I've been doing this for the past 2 weeks and I've been feeling great. Young guy with MS. I take a K2 complex as well
Thanks for sharing. Give an update later on as well.
How much are you taking?
@@playtime6563 between 20k and 50k per day. If i get sun that day, i take less. If its cloudy I take more. Most days I end up taking 35k.
If I didnt drink alot of water that day, I take less
@@DrBrandonBeaber a small anecdotal update: I skipped taking the vitamin D for just 2 days, and I started to feel multiple MS symptoms again. I just took 40k IUs with some vitamin k and cod liver oil. I hope I feel better tomorrow
@@Heisenherb how are you now? I guess you are not on protocol
В декабре 22 года на фоне продолжительного сильного стресса у меня возник пустулезный псориаз.Это тяжёлая форма псориаза, трудно поддающаяся лечению. Традиционные протоколы не приводили к ремиссии. Руки были похожи на два куска мяса. Сейчас принимаю 40000 ме-50000ме витамина Д в день. Ежедневно с каждым приёмом пищи ем много зелени (К2), также принимаю магний, витамины группы В. Удалось привести руки в человеческое состояние❤. Спасибо профессору Коимбра❤. Это - единственное, что мне помогло жить дальше комфортно. Сейчас мое состояние близко к ремиссии. Новых поражений нет.
Excellent analysis as always! Thank you.
Thanks :)
@@DrBrandonBeaber good job doc
There is no toxicity because of high doses of vitamin D, if you are on calcium free diet, drink plenty of water.
Almost everything works, time is crucial!! If pwMS adapts an early "attack" to MS, outcomes will be super !!
Preventing is easier than treating !
My vitamin D level is >150 ng/ml, I have ms since August/2000 and never had flu, I live in north Portugal, cold and wet humidity.
Thank you for sharing. What doses of vitamin D are you taking?
20.000 IU/day. Started Coimbra protocol in 2011 with starting doses around 90.000 I. if you start early results are better! To control levels of vitamin D (and others) I get my blood checked every 6 months.
@@pedrodacostapinto I also started the protocol having benign type of ms.
@@pedrodacostapinto what doctor are you seeing in Portugal?
My Vitamin D protocol started with Dra Cristina Sales in Oporto, always with the knowledge of my neurologist.
Excellent lecture, thank you for summarizing this protocol
Thanks
very interesting . Thanks for posting. Randomized trials are very expensive and are routinely attack by big pharma when alternative treatments are used instead of designer drugs. You did not comment on the final outcome for your patient who went to consult with Dr Coimbra. Please clarify.
You never "CURE" autoimmune diseases! and you should know this! You put then into remission and then you have to stay vigilant and on top of it... by continuing on healthy protocols.
please review on
"Quetiapine Fumarate for the Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis: Focus on Myelin Repair"
reduces
↓Demyelination
↓Loss of mature OLs
↓Activated astrocytes
↓Activated microglia
↓T‐cell infiltrates
increases
↑Proliferation of NPCs in neurospheres
↑Differentiation of NPCs into OLs
↑Myelin restoration
↑Repopulation of mature OLs
Is there a specific article you want me to review?
I don't have ms, but i do have auto-immune conditions. I take a fairly high dose regularly. I got to feeling sick and increased to 200,000iu for a few days and I FELT GREAT.
I let everybody scare me and went back to my usual dose.
What makes me skeptical are the comments about people getting relapses during the start, which stop after a long time on the protocol. That would also be consistent with the protocol doing nothing, and patients slipping into secondary progressive MS. It could also happen with a high drop-out rate, with people with very active MS abandoning the protocol after early relapses, leaving the only long-term adherents as those with naturally less active disease. I'd want some peer-reviewed data to refute those hypotheses before I went all-in on the Coimbra protocol...
Your skepticism is completely fair. It is very easy for doctors to become overconfident in their treatments when most patients are coming from far away and don't follow up. I work within a closed health management system with very good retention of members, so I see both my successes and failures...which can be humbling sometimes.
Hi moggiedon! I'm a Brazilian patient of Dr. Coimbra and doing his Protocol since 2011. My MS was diagnosed in 2009, with flares-up every 2/3 months. Betaferon 1B only used to make me worst (physical and psychological). After the Protocol, only one flare-up at the 3rd month (when the imune system was not at the optimum yet). This was my last flare-up, with no symptoms that could suggest the progression of the disease. No active lesions on my anual MRIs. Right now, with the Methyl Folate added to the Protocol, some patients of Dr. Coimbra are reducing the doses of vitamin D3 and maintain with theirs normal lives. If you interested in knowing more about the Protocol and the patients, you can participate on the groups at facebook (almost every country with doctors has one) and share your doubts! I cannot say to you to go all-in, but please do research about it!
@@flavia9507 Hello, I'm from Lebanon. We have no doctors following this protocol. I was just recently diagnosed with MS by pure coincidence, I was doing a brain MRI for my ear canals (which turned out to be fine). The ENT doctor referred me to a neurologist who prescribed several blood test and a lumbar puncture and all together confirmed the MS. I had one symptom 3 years ago (I feet went numb for 2 weeks - but back then i did not give it much thought, i went to the ER to check it and they said that it might be because of my weight lifting - I was deadlifting 120 kilos).. I must say that I jsut RECENTLY after my diagnosis started feeling some muscle weakness, and paying more attention to my lack of attention and focus.
With that being said, can you please refer me to the dr? haha
Thiamine deficiency is the great imitator of disease and MS is one of them.
@@DrBrandonBeaber i was told by one Coimbra doctor, who Mostly does Skype...he says success is 92% for all autoimmune.
I asked: what is drop out rate?
He: about 50% during first few years.
I was thinking to myself a lot annoyef already... whoa! Obvious issue with your logic
I ask him "but why do they drop out?"
He: "they either dont Believe it Will help them, too unpatient to wait, or they are too undisciplined to stick to the diet"
So he literally left NO OPTION for "treatment didnt help them"
I am really trying to be objective about Coimbra protocol and i have Official MD education (not working due to illness), after 6 years closely monitoring many of my friends and acquitances (over thousands) some of shich i keep regular contact with, is that it surely stops MRI activity and fatigue to Huge number of RRMS and SPMS patients.
This part is True. Number is huge, if you calculate in the drop outs i would assume its over50%
However, some of these patients get Extremely worse in first year, before "remission".
I am not s neurologist to understand much about is it SPMS or remission but they have no fatigue Mostly, no flu feelings, less cognitive Issues etc, i have been there and felt that, so i do believe it blocks much of disease processes.
But, big but, part of drop outs get worse from high doses, it can amplify autoimmune activity..most of Coimbra doctors deny this. Such patients get discouraged and dont return because those doctors wont even consider that might happen so they deny it..and the myth about 95% cure rates continue... Almost 20 years now.
Very painful to watch as a patient such quack approach without love for patients, truth and SCIENCE is celebrated.
I think such doctors should get zero credit. They often misguide People, talking them out of DMDs by promising remission... In the meantime while you wait remission your EDSS goes from 3.5 to 6.5 as it happened to my dear friend.
I've had a lot of Kidney stones. I wish I could try this!!
K2 is needed with D3 for the calcium thing he said
what i would have liked to see in the coimbra vitiligo paper is a correlation of PTH level to symptom change after treatment with vitamin d. since, he mentions that there is a range of improvements that he observed in patients 25 to 75% repigmentation, I want to know if the patient's improvement level tracked with their PTH hormone change from baseline after supplementation. I don't know why the reviewers did not ask for this breakdown of the results.
This is a good point.
@@DrBrandonBeaber yeah, especially since his main hypothesis is that pth might serve as a marker for vitamin d resistance
Unknown to me one of my patients was taking 200,000 units of vitamin D per day for a few months. She developed symptomatic hypercalcimia. The calcium level dropped to normal within 3 days of stopping the ridiculous doses.
Thanks for sharing. Caveat Emptor.
It can't be taken without other medications, dairy free diet, plenty of water intake
right, that's certainly a thing, and you're a doctor and I'm not, lets get that out of the way, but I've also studied health and wellness my whole adult life and have BA in athletic training, anyway, have you thoroughly investigated also loading up on sufficient doses of k2 complex, magnesium complex, beta carotene, boron, zinc, vit E, along with a low calcium diet on mega doses of d3? There's handfuls of anecdotal accounts from docors treating patients and people totally curing their lifelong auto immune illness with blood levels over 200ng/dl with normal calcium levels because they take sufficient cofactors to prevent hypercalcemia or symptoms of co-factor deficiency
What was your patient’s diagnosis ? His protocol is not recommended to just any illness…
Coimbra says...when on his protocol, you should NOT CONSUME CALCIUM RICH FOODS, NOR SUPPLEMENTS, otherwise you create exactly that what you mention here!.
Found your channel today. Absolutely LOVE how all your videos are driven by FIGURES AND FACTS. keep up the good work!!
Thanks. I really appreciate that. I'm going to publish a video on CCSVI this coming Wednesday.
thank you for not attacking your colleague with the usual hatred very common among doctors. What is sorely lacking in your presentation are the dangerous side effects of long term steroids and immunity suppressant like beta interferon especially now with Covid. Also no mention of the toxicity of these conventional drugs on the liver, kidneys and digestive track.
I have nothing against professor Coimbra, and vitamin D supplementation is widely recommended to people with MS, even if not at very high doses. I discuss disease modifying therapy side effects in other videos. Beta interferons are not immunosuppressants and do not increase the risk of infections. Observational studies suggest no increase in the risk of severe covid-19 in people taking beta-interferons. Corticosteroids are immunosuppressants and do increase the risk of severe covid-19.
According to Dr. Annanya Mandal Md. Beta interferon are both anti-inflammatories and immunosuppressors by regulating the production of gamma interferon resulting in a reduction of the immune response directed at myelin in the central nervous system. Further more Beta interferon can cause flu like symptoms such as fever muscle aches headaches and chills. News Medical life Sciences publication. Vitamin D3 activates TH2 (interleukin 4,5,13) with the same chemical signature as Beta interferon with no side effects. lastly, TH2 is both anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressant.
@@bernardmauge8613 Claiming that beta-inferferons increase the risk of infection is simply not correct and contradicts a mountain of evidence. For instance, from the following article: "First-generation DMTs such as interferon-beta (IFN-β) or glatiramer acetate (GA) are not thought to be associated with a significantly increased risk of infection" "Exposure to any DMT, first generation DMT (either grouped or as IFN-β or GA separately) was not associated with an altered hazard (aHR) for an infection-related physician claim relative to no DMT" www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7163169/
Unknown to me one of my patients took 30000 units of D along with high Doses of calcium for a few years. She ended up in the ER with renal failure. Her labs quickly reversed By stopping the Treatment.
Known to me people who got better on protocol
Tilos kalciumot szedni , !!
Yeah, calcium supplementation is contraindicated when receiving physiological doses of Vitamin-D3, taking them together is not to be recommended as food has plenty of calcium if the absorption rate increases with adequate Vitamin-D3.
Known to me to be healed thanks to Dr. Coimbra! I have all the scientific evidence
She was a clown
There was no benefit because they were low in co-factors like magnesium. Just wait until you get MS with your paltry 5,000 iu a day. That’s worth about 20 min in the sun. I get 10,000 iu in 40 min. I get 50,000 in 5 hours. That’s not even a full day dude
No dear, you never get 50,000 iu from sun.
Maximum your body makes on s day od 20k, this is why our skin gets dark, when enough D
Pregnamt women make more.. about 30,000 iu
Thats about it
But there are studies that UVB light makes positive impact on this disease not related to vit D. I am on coimbra. Actually I am benign.
The thing is that the traditional doctors are always biased to medication. That is what they learned and studied. Therefore, that is what they offer their patients. But what if the medications failed to show any hope to me? I keep going downhill I have PPM I keep going down. I take all the supplements I take LDN I tale high dose biotin I do physiotherapy. I keep going down. I lost my life I turned dependent I have urine incontenence. I have social isolation. I did and took everything on the planet to get better. And finally I underwent stem cell transplant. I have never ever seen one step up on EDSS . I have never known ever what is the meaning of remission What the traditional medicine offers me ? Can the traditional medicine help me?
How are you?
Dr Beaber have you ever considered going to Brazil on a holiday to visit Dr Coimbra. Is it possible that MS patients use the hormone Vitamin D very poorly and require a much higher level of vitamin D. The Coimbra Protocol is a protocol with also includes other supplements and lifestyle changes. Supplementing vitamin D at 100,000IU a day cost less than $8 month. There will never be an expensive double blind study on high doses of vitamin D because the men that dole out the money for these studies will never let this happen.
Such a study would not be funded by pharmaceutical companies, but it could be funded by private donors or organizations such as the NIH. There was a randomized trial of high-dose vitamin D3 14,007 IU per day showing no benefit: n.neurology.org/content/93/20/e1906#:~:text=Randomized%2C%20controlled%20trials%20of%20vitamin,annualized%20relapse%20rate%20(ARR)%20or I'm not sure if we will see a randomized trial using even higher doses.
Why would he go, though? Coimbra protocol, lets be honest, is a 2 page leaflet crash course, and all the Coimbra doctors deny it already several times during last 6 years since i follow this cult-like group of doctors and patients
.. i mean, they keep "editing" the protocol which wouldnt be tragic of a sinful on its own if Coimbra didnt claim even 10-15 years ago he already has the magic formula..but the quite important parts od the formula keep changing, Like the level of Calcium in 24 urine considered dangerous and toxic, not a small change to suddenly claim what they called safe is now toxic..which they did!
So, Dr Brandon can learn everything they "know", sadly, (or better say, they claim..) from his couch in one Sunday evening.
Unless you meant he goes as a tourists to Brasil, which i support, take me with you, Dr Brandon.
Thank you for ur informative, scientific content. it really feels like an lecture on universitiy ^^
You mentioned that we shouldn't just start taking extremely high doses of vitamin D3, which I totally get, but I have a question about that. My last neuro had me on high levels of D2 (which I have since found out that D2 isn't absorbed correctly and a bunch of other things) where I was taking 50,000 IUs weekly. Unfortunately, my stomach revolted and I'm unable to eat after a certain time of the day because the food will pass right through me in about 20 minutes flat. Doctors and people think I'm crazy when I pin the stomach issue on the D2, but I know that's the cause. This type of issue doesn't just start up out of the blue; it began not long after I started the D2. It has been 6 years since I changed neuros, but the issue persists. I would love to know your thoughts on this. Thanks!
50,000 IUs weekly is a very reasonable dose (which I often prescribe), but anyone can have an idiosyncratic bad reaction to a medication. One thing some people try is a lower dose of vitamin D3 daily.
@@DrBrandonBeaber My apologies as I left out the part of the 50,000 IUs of D2 being 3 times per week. Eek...sorry about that!
Vitamin D2 is ergocaciferol, you should take D3 - colecalciferol - and test your blood levels.
@@pedrodacostapinto What is the largest measure of vitamin D in your blood you got
@@smailchelihi3877 200 ng/l, allways >150 ng
Could you do a video on the wahls protocol please 😊
Dr Brandon, Why can’t someone else do this study, any doctor in US with his patients as an example? What entails to do a study? is that hard to do? I know there is money involved, and pharmaceutical companies surely won’t back it, but perhaps money can be raised from supplement companies? What are your thoughts on this ?
This is what would be required: 1) An experienced researcher willing spend years of their life pursing this particular project over thousands of other potential projects, 2) Backing from this person's academic institution, 3) funding from the NIH or a private donor (again choosing to fund this study over 1000s of other promising studies that are denied funding every year [No one in their right mind would do this without at least a successful publication of a case series]), 4) Successful recruitment of people with MS to join the study and participate in the requirements of the study (many time-consuming study visits, additional MRI scans, and blood tests). This is very unlikely in the US because very few people know or care about the Coimbra Protocol in the US. It is much more likely to occur in Brazil or another country where there is more interest. It wouldn't be worth it for supplement companies to fund this because they can't patent high dose vitamin D. The money would have to come from public sources or private donors. If I bump into Nancy Davis (Race to Erase MS), I will ask if she would consider this type of project.
Wow you are amazing !Dr Brandon,thanks so much for this elaborate response, now it gives me a better understanding of how that can be done.
@@DrBrandonBeaber I don't know if you have this information but there's going to be a case series study in Germany soon. The treatment is really popular here (many patinets and doctors practicing it) and one of the first patients (Christina Kiening) works really closely with Dr. Coimbra, CP doctors and other important people in medicine industry in Germany as well. She actually established a company for this case, got funding etc. to make it happen.
@@luciece Thank you for providing this. I am eagerly waiting for the Germans to complete their initial research. They will be contributing a lot to this conversation. Yeah Christina Kiening for all your hard work!!!
Hi Dr. Beaber, what should I ask my family doctor about the schedule of intake? Where can I get more information about the intake schedule? I have ppMS
I is a personalized protocol as described in the video. I doubt most family doctors would have any familiar with this.
Join the facebook group "Coimbra Protocol: North America and English Speaking". They have a "facts" page that lists the protocol doctors. Most of the doctors do not need face to face appointments. My doctor lives thousands of miles away, but skype appointments work well.
I actually wrote the recipe book for the Coimbra protocol as the Coimbra teams suggestion for food was mostly unhealthy. - even within the given rules.
I also made a video on my take on the Coimbra Protocol here
ua-cam.com/video/D5Tzq_j7pPY/v-deo.html
What about hyperthyroidism? I have Graves, but am in remission, no therapy. During my remissions I still have high TPO antibodies, so some suggest it's going towards Hashimoto's, although I have never been hypo. A friend of mine said 20.000 would do just fine for me, when I have 46kg and am 157cm tall. Do you think, as a doctor, that it's too risky? You mentined 5000-10.000 would not be safe for patients with hyperparathyroidism... but how about hyperthyroidism? Or does this goes only for the case if I was in relapse currently.
I can't give you personal advice here. It is generally advised to periodically check vitamin D levels if you are receiving doses >/=10,000 IU vitamin D3 daily or if you have risk factors for hypercalcemia
What would be the symptoms for graves or hyperthyroidism?
@Dr. Brandon Beaber : I'm suffering from psoriasis , can I follow this protocol?. Please advise.
Pramod Tatti: topical vitamin D for psoriasis I have heard. Check out Dr Michael F Holick.
Dr Coimbra has been researching and treating immune diseases for over 20 years!!
ENVY IS NOT A VIRTUE, DOC!!
I would like to see a published cohort study of his patients so I could see the results in a more objective way.
not envy, dear, it's realism. Dr Coimbra makes exaggerated claims about remissions of 95% people, many simply slide to SPMS, I know about Coimbra protocol for 6 years and unfortunately, most are not in complete remission. Dr Coimbra has been doing it 20 years but took only 1-2 year for most of Coimbra doctors to realise he is not sharing honest statistics. Well, as he says he doesn't believe in research and statistics so that's his "excuse" for bragging with invented results.
@@DrBrandonBeaber why dont you speak to hispatients directly?
@@Star5dg How/Why would I do that?
@@DrBrandonBeaber This has been the most balanced critique on the Coimbra Protocol I have seen from a professional in the field, thank you.
The reason to speak to patients would be to convince yourself that a treatment that works for a patient does not need further study for that patient to have received benefit. The protocol is as you know safer than many other treatments for intractable diseases, does not cost very much and the side effects are often good. A 10% remission rate for an incurable disease gets people all excited if it is done with a drug. I believe the Coimbra protocol can do better simply by reading about anecdotes what ails your comprehension, perhaps you need a pill to follow the logic.
In spite of being remarkably progressive with nutrients you still are not prepared to call out the failure of the pharmaceutical complex because it feeds you. Others can similarly be muzzled and you criticize them for it.
Do a video on why the 4000IU=100ug safe dose limit is bogus.
Do a video on why 30ng/ml=75nmol/l sufficient level is not natural.
Rock the boat.
"Nutritional deficiencies exist whereas drug deficiencies do not exist. Nutrients commonly have better evidence than do drugs in terms of safety, efficacy, cost-effectiveness, affordability/availability." - Alex Vasquez, 2014
Humility is a good thing, as for the how, join a few support groups and put out for a call to document any personal accounts. Obviously you will make no money and may loose your job but maybe it is worth it to promote science.
Thanks for this video, i have multiple
You're very welcome
I love how allopaths who have never worked with coimbra protocol offer their opinion about it.
Imam MS već 17 god.Pijem bit.B-50,Mg,C,Zn vit D 4000 ij.Šta Vi mislite?.
Pa nije dovoljno d3 4000ij, ta doza je za osobe koje nemaju MS ti trebas pojacati dozu vitamina d3 pet puta najmanje
Kada nemas sunca zimi trebas koristiti najmanje 20000ij a 40000ij bi bilo dosta bolje
Viramin c treba se isto koristiti, i jednom nedeljnom da so popije rastvor sode bikarbone od pola kafine kasicice da ne bih doslo da peska kamena u bubregu
Velike kolicine vitamina d stvaraju pesak u bubregu zato se pije soda bikarbona da bi se otklonio sprecio bilo koji nastanak peska u bubregu
Ako ti treba jos koja informacija tu sam da pomognem
What if fibromyalgia for the protocol?
Have you find put ? Having fibro cfs too
Just to add my experience, im on 50000iu....after ine week i starte to feel great... unreal
Please tell will this cure fibromyalgia
I am not personally aware of any specific evidence of the coimbra protocol in fibromyalgia.
I have polineuropatia of levofloxacin, the d vitamin can help me ??? Sos
A d vitamin kúra segített már valakinek polineuropatiaban ? Nekem fluorokinolon okozta polineuropatiam van.
When somebody actually dies from vitamin D deficiency, then I'll worry about taking too much...whoops I meant toxicity.
There are deaths from vitamin D overdose as in this article: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12098-016-2109-z However, it is exceedingly rare. "Prolonged hypervitaminosis D can result in calcium deposition in
the soft tissues (especially the kidneys and
heart), changes in the central nervous
system, and, in severe cases, death" Source: ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdfplus/10.2105/AJPH.85.5.656
@@DrBrandonBeaber Actually, the vitamin D toxicity was possibly a factor, but not the only cause of his death.
@@ClassicJukeboxBand it’s co -factor deficiency. Coimbra says it’s only safe with the K, magnesium etc , and Thats to pump up someone super low.
Later I’m sure they can go back to a more normal dose like 30,000 iu a day. They are still trying to scare us from the cure
@@sydneysilver4822 Yep I agree.
@@DrBrandonBeaber there can be liver failures, or blood cells messup after dnt drugs. Some of them can cause death from a simple cold. So everything is not as safe as it may sound or should be.
Weekly is a stupid dose… D has daily channels that are empty 6 days a week - read Dr Hollis from SC
Thank you Dr. Can you suggest any practitioners in Australia that specialise in the Coimbra Protocol?
Interesting.
Any role of 6 lac vit D usage5
Hi. Would you kindly share if you take some other vitamins and how much with the D3 5000 you are taking daily? TIA
Wrong place follow a Coimbra protocol user group, ask there what they take. But you really need a ( Coimbra trained) doctor to follow you up, it is not a DIY protocol.
How can I conatc you Dr. Beaber? Does anyone have an email adress of the doctor? Is really urgent
Sorry, but I can't give personal advice here
@@DrBrandonBeaber is there a way to contact you?
This toxicity bs is not based on facts at all… doesn’t happen - slight issues around 400ng…but good level is 80-100ng if no autoimmunity but the daily dose has to be high to treat autoimmunity as weekly is a useless dosing regimen!!
People get calcium issues over 150ng...
This guy hasn’t got a clue about vit D ..
Do you think that if we did RCTs to determine if giving type 1 diabetics insulin was beneficial that it might turn out that insulin has no benefit for type 1 diabetes?
Of course not.
@@DrBrandonBeaber I think I heard Dr Coimbra say something along those lines. When something works so spectacularly you already have the answer. Nobody has ever been cured of MS. Expensive drugs reportedly slow down the progression. Then Dr Coimbra tries something that stops and reverses it in most patients. We've never done RCTs to determine if parachutes or insulin work because the effect is not down in the noise.
@@WarmWeatherGuy I have had patients undergo the Coimbra protocol, and I have yet to see anything so spectacular that would make me think clinical trials are unnecessary. With insulin, a seriously ill patient in diabetic ketoacidosis can walk out of the hospital. With parachutes, you can see the parachute open up and slow the fall. Many people with MS are stable anyway without treatment, so it's more difficult to observe the effect of a treatment. We have to do blinded randomized trials and compare MRI/clinical outcomes to determine an effect.
@@DrBrandonBeaber when you treat people with the Coimbra protocol, what levels of vitamin D3 are you giving them? and how many patients did you try it on? are you giving dosages based on weight?
@@WarIsOver-ifyouwantit I am not prescribing the coimbra protocol. I have had patients who have received doses around 40,000-60,000 IU of vitamin D3 daily.
It's crazy cause I grew up on the sun anyway maybe I should have my Nuroligist check my vitamin levels. Idk. I did have adem before I was diagnosed with ms
The thing is that the precursor to vitamin D ( 7-dehydrocholesterol) is distributed throughout the body in the skin and its supply becomes rapidly exhausted in a specific area. If you are wearing clothing, this limits the surface area exposed to the sun and hence vitamin D production. The sun also has effects on the immune system outside of vitamin D (which I will show in a future video).
So I take Vitamin D3. . . Any specific vitamin D I should be taking considering I have MS? Btw you should totally do a live stream. Maybe you do. . . I'm a new subscriber. Your great!
@@gabbyfranks78 Vitamin D3 is generally recommended because a lower dose is needed to achieve the same serum level of active vitamin D (25-OH-vitamin D) compared to vitamin D2. I am thinking about doing a livestream, but there are some logistical issues with this. I will do it at some point.
@@DrBrandonBeaber it's been a year since you wrote " The sun also has effects on the immune system outside of vitamin D (which I will show in a future video)" have you done one already?
@@WarIsOver-ifyouwantit Here is my video on sunlight and multiple sclerosis: ua-cam.com/video/f0DqKB_L6-o/v-deo.html
there is no such a thing vitamin d toxicity you need more mugnesim or k2
This is not correct.
Ok question. My family has a history of osteoporosis over three generations that I’m aware of. So my question is with my history of the osteoporosis (I already have vertebrae that are beginning to deteriorate) and with my Multiple sclerosis should I be proactive and have my children begin to take Vitamin D3? I know it is not thought that MS is hereditary but osteoporosis is.
According to dr coimbra everyone including children should have their D levels between 80ng and 100ng , take d3 daily, multiple 200 ui by your weight in kg, and the results will be your daily d3 intake, also take 400mg magnesium per day
Yes it's hereditairy my uncle have Ms and now my brother have Ms my and my grand mother have parkinson
It seems being proactive may be very important. Check out Ivor Cummins' video at 34:15 to 38:25 ua-cam.com/video/v3pK0dccQ38/v-deo.html where he talks about the effects of Vit-D levels on the "adaptive immune system" during ages 6 - 16 years and the increased risk of developing MS later in life.
@@simonepryor382 k2 is very important cofactor for d3 since it prevents tissue calcification, the main risk associated with d3 supplementation.
High dose boron can reverse osteoporosis. Check out Dr flechas and hakala labs. It’s not all genetic it’s lifestyle etc. you prob have some metabolic dysfunction causing it.
This is a BS podcast- get in the trenches - see patients -
i took 40.000 iu d3 and i got diarea😂
Bad video
Why so?
Did you just say that the SUN is exacerbating ms? Did I hear that right? Maybe not.
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Eu nao entendi foi nada.tradus em portugues