The REAL Reason EG Won Champions!
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2023
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EG looked so prepared into every matchup. Potter really outdid herself with this squad
If EG start a trend of having a 10man roster it would help t2 and t1 players SO much
fr. Newer t2 players have a huge opportunity to just simply learn on the reserve roster, sure they don't get to play but at the same time there's no stress involved. I'm actually shocked more teams don't do this.
The model is not sustainable imo.
The org will either be bleeding a lot of money in this bad eSports org landscape (financially speaking) or the players will be paid unfairly.
Not for T2 players. They'd just be stuck on the backup roster instead of getting to showcase themselves on GameDay.
why would tier 2 players waste an entire year being a substitute? they arent allowed to play ascension to get into VCT due to conflict of interests and its unlikely that more than 1-2 players will be promoted from the reserved team to the main team
@@thrivinganarchy5267 so? It helps them learn and get better lmao. If they not ready for tier 1 isn't it better for them to experience a championship team and how they execute?
How funny would it be if Eg used the reserved roster for the kick-off tournament and they are really good too after all the off season prac and they make it to Madrid. Everyone preps for against them and they pull out the og roster and do this thing throughout the year where NOBODY knows what roster Eg are gonna use and everyone is in Shambles
thought of it as well but thats basically impossible unless u have like 5 coaches or smth because they have 2 already and focussed mainly on the first roaster but if they would have to focus on both i dont think it will work unless u remove basically all your free time and only sleep, eat and practise
I mean if NOBODY knows what roster eg is using I feel EDG can beat them
@@H8MyM8Botbi Ideally, you want your main roster to be as battle hardened as possible. No good having "soft" veterans.
@@doruka890cope
@@doruka890 DIESOFCRINGE
I saw someone mentioned that the second team was also "mimicking" the possible match up teams, which makes total sense and is something done in almost every sport.
She is the GOAT. THE GOAT ☝️
I find it truly ironic everything people bashed EG for genuinely helped them in their path to success and winning champs.
-Some people criticized potter and wanted to fire potter, then potter is one of the huge reasons for their champs win
-Everyone memed their 10 man roster but it in turned helped them scrim and innovate new strats
-Removing BCJ even though he was a fan favorite but Demon1 gave them added firepower and he even became champs mvp
Mechanically, EG improved a lot from earlier in the season. Even in that first clip, there was so much whiffage compared to late in the season where every player had the potential for huge clutches with great aim.
This is true but don't underestimate what removing mental load does to your aim. It's way easier to aim when you have intuitive knowledge of where your team mates and enemies are what they are doing.
@@hastyscorpion No doubt. I don't mean to detract from the mental improvements or Potter's coaching. I'm just pointing out that Boostio, Jawgemo, and C0M were never mechanically goated like they've been until the last three months or so. Probably a result of everything you just said.
@@briankettering2889 Boostio actually talked about this. He said that the team sees Demon1 hitting impossible shots and gets mentally filled with confidence, making them hit good shots too
feel like its not rly mechanical skill that improved, just got more confident over the season and less pressure was put on them
I gonna assume the real reason is the 10 man roster, where the main 5 can scrum against the reserve 5, and can practice over and over again to fix mistakes
I watched the Cosmic Divide podcast, and I saw TMV talk about the 10 roster thing, so I had to search his earlier video where he explained the 10 man roster, and he did it again with better clarity.
They can scrim using all their enemy playstyle but hiding their own. So they will get much better
@@ChangerYKwhat's his earlier video about the 10man roster?
@@Busterblade20 ua-cam.com/video/YmvggUNtiLo/v-deo.html&si=GlxpY9njBQql_mtd
EG is the textbook case of hard work = success
more like smart work = succes, if you watched the video
A thought I’ve been having recently is that the main goal of an effective practice session is to maximize effective repetitions per unit time. While there are notable exceptions, this kind of thing is exactly what I’m talking about, and it makes me incredibly excited to see such a successful professional execution. Really looking forward to what this develops into!
I mean after EG's win I was expecting most teams to instantly adopt to the 10 man roster but it seems like they dont fully trust it yet. 1 more masters win and maybe other orgs are gonna do the same.
Every orgs think fire power is everything. Look at sen how stacked they are but cant do shitt.
@@boss_niko sen is one of the richest and most famous orgs out there without winning a single event in 2 years. I think they're doing fine.
They don't trust it yet because whenever people use 10man rosters in esports, it's usually in an incredibly stupid way where they routinely change out players(EG in CSGO, T1 in LoL). Potter applied the 10man roster in the most optimal way. It's not actually a 10man roster. It's a 5man roster with a fully capable 5man practice team.
@@jickey6108tell me yr only knowledge of sen comes from valorant without telling me yr only knowledge of sen comes from valorant holy shit
No org wants to spend an extra 250k minimum on a secondary roster lol.
I don't know if they did this, but also one thing is if you practice with people below your skillset (i.e main team vs. reserves) in an educative manner, you will improve. They say the best way to know if you really are good at something is to be able to teach it to someone that they understand. So having so many players practice with each other definitely leads to growth on all parts.
The quality of practice you can get with a team designed specifically to practice against must be so good.
EG really became the NA team everyone thought the Jake/Runi C9 roster was gonna be
They all improved mechanically as well and were way more confident. Just having demon1 hitting crazy shots will make everyone else confident. Boostio even said it himself
I hope one day we could see TMV as a coach in one of the franchise team in champions
He's got a degree but not a lot of history on the field so he'd need to make it really big and start small, but yea would be fun
@@batatanna yep I didn't say next year, maybe 5 or 10 years later this can happen but I would love to see him on stage
Hi TMV, I really like the new setup, the lightning is so much better and maybe it is just me but I feel like the sound is a little bit off in the new videos. Maybe it is just me but thought I told you about it.
let's goooo TMV busting out his old textbooks and readings when he was studying coaching in uni HAHAHAHA
Having a reserve roster is so important during long runs in tournaments. During the League of Legends World finals last year, DRX was scriming academy teams before their final against T1.
Potter has also said that they have their reserve roster mimic comps of DRX and LOUD.
One thing I thought was curious too was the flexibility of agents each player had. EG did something that I don’t know if anyone else did all year long. Most teams have their flash initiator flexing to other roles (smokes, sentinel duelist etc.) Ethan exclusively played flashes I believe from Tokyo onwards, while EVERYONE else would flex to smokes in addition to their specializations, (c0m Sova, Demon1 Jett, Jawg Raze etc). Their agent pool imo just proved to be too much for everyone
I noticed that too! I am new to the pro scene, but I thought it was interesting seeing Demon1 and Jawgemo sometimes go for Astra and Boostio sometimes playing Brim. C0m also does Viper on Bind I think
The Tenz scrim clip is foul
lmfaooo the Goated sen shroud days
Also eg makes their reserve roster play the comp their opponent plays
I've been wondering since the anounced the 10 man roaster... wouldn't you be able to achieve something similar with just a second team? Like "Main" vs GC ? Sure the GC team also have to work for their own achievement, but that means you could do what 2 "10 man" can do with just 2 teams of 5 (+ subs)
GC teams are like T4 at best and 100 times worse than the main team. EG's team is around a T2 level most likely so they're decent practice.
A T1 team scrimming with their GC team would be as useful as the T1 team 5 stacking ranked.
@@thrivinganarchy5267 actually no in fact the reserve roster for EG was made to Actually be a team that could play in T1 and it was proven by the fact that The reserve roster actually scrimmed many other Franchised Americas teams and ending up beating them convincingly on many occasions, confirmed by the players themselves
If demos ever drop, surely the benefit from the reserves is minimised a fair margin
holy shit porter is playing chess on both side, you need to be super brilliant to pull something off like this
New Room? Letsgoo
did he say "but to thtart off" in the beginning there
Still remember when tmv clowned on eg’s roster review and said sth along the lines of “what would you do with 10 players”
i think having the affiliate rosters between t1 and t2 rosters is gonna bring this 10 man roster stuff up a notch, cause they can give feedback to eachother without giving an advantage to rivals
Bro imagine you are one of the 5 guys playing in the reserve roster and
- you don't have a single clue about whether you are going opportunities or not to play with the main roster in the near future
- you are being asked to keep dying in an endless B rush for the 87th time in a row
- no matter how much you put effort into this specific drill, this won't affect your changes of being promoted to the main roster
You need to find 5 guys who are really commited and passionate about the project as a whole, while also having HUGE patience
If I got paid for playing Valorant I would 100% do it, idk about u
@@Me-da-Ghost you say this because you had never been paid for playing valorant so of course it will feel like a positive thing for you no matter what
but if you were a reserve player you definitely would question yourself whether if its better to stay there in the reserve or to change to a team where you will get not only opportunity to compete but also to earn a lot more (considering active players earns a lot more than reserve ones)
at the end of the day what move pro players and their passion about the game is exactly being able to compete. That's why the long offseason is creating a lot of backslash in the community
This happens everyday in college sports and pro sports , where players ride the bench until an opportunity arises . Having bigger rosters , mean more players can be in the eco system and might be picked up
@@Me-da-Ghostthis is why you are not pro, you are not going for the win. But these people are and they still doing this 2nd roaster thing, even though they went pro to get wins themselves
I’m iffy on the full rule set but what’s stopping partnership orgs from owning/partnering with a challengers team for similar benefits?
T1 teams are not allowed to own Academy teams (which is what you're basically talking about). T1 teams could make an informal agreement with T2 teams though which more teams might try to explore the possibility of.
I wonder if Goldenboy's voice has fully healed yet
Do you play FPL?
this guy gets it
😂😂😂
I remember there being 2 C9's in the beginning, you think they did their own 10 mans?
Pretty sure you mean C9 in KR and one in NA so I doubt that happens.
Unless you mean C9 main team and the GC team. But their GC team was so ass in comparison to the main team so they probably never did it since it'd be a waste of time.
alecks looking at this vid and thumbnail like 😢
explaining this made me realize why Sen didnt succeed in LCQ.(yes im a die hard Sen fan not Lenz fan.) they talked about all their scrimming but lacked the basics
I love that literally everyone was just clowning on EG for a ten man roster, but at the end of the day they showed that it works.
i havent watched val in forever and i thought this was abt edward gaming
So essentially having a 10 man roster allows you to literally use reinforcement learning or essentially machine learning against another squad for site execs, site defense and composition experimentation. It's literally genius, if an org can afford it.
At the end of the day, it was a Potter diff
LS tried to bring a 10 man team model to the lcs then got fired after 2 games because c9 didn't want to pay him.
Are we gonna talk about TMV having a masters in football coaching?
And he did one on acting too I think
He disclosed it way way back and I being a football player can understand his perspective when he talks about space on map and timings
He disclosed it way way back and I being a football player can understand his perspective when he talks about space on map and timings
ThinkingNorthFaceMans Valorant
Damn, I didn't think there could be a degree that more vain than mine
imagine now a replay system this thing wouldnt be that bnig of a deal
I actually kind of agree. With a replay system, individual players would be able to more easily see their mistakes and improve.
It would be nice to let the 5 non-main player trying to qualify for tier 2
I miss TMV shouting at boostio for playing tower alone as killjoy
damn bro i hope she sees this
THE MICKEY RUN CHAMPS LETS GOOO EG
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Old Tmv is no more ;(
what is old TMV and why do you miss it
@@Cheasle2 idk but the old facecam angle and his old room, gonna miss that
Bro finally moved from that closet he lived in before, good for him.
Where did EG get the money to have 4 more players than most other teams is the question
They have some big corporate backing and they're known for having secondary rosters like in CSGO.
@@thrivinganarchy5267 Todays news is so funny
POTTER SUPREMACY
Tbf a lot of people really thought PRX was gonna win. Like, REALLY…
every ones buying new players to bench them.
when I saw screwface also having a 2023 champs title, I was chuckling at how they were how bench warmers didnt deserve them. I take it all back.
Potter and Demon1 diff....
bro just a coach a pro team already tmv. get off youtube n go make sum BANK.
TMV you lost me at 2:40
When the other coach is malding every round while the other coach is calmer you know it's over
PRX seemed to not respect their coach enough if I'm honest.
What makes u say that?
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coach dsg lol
Tbh PRX threw
No lol.
Demon1 had insane impact. You can't tell me that the 10 man roster is the real reason for their success when they instantly looked way better when they got demon1.
Ultimate proof that we dont need a women league imo
Potter is coaching, not playing?
@@thrivinganarchy5267 still shows that they can do it if they want
No matter how u look at it shes the only successfull t1 female coach rn
People need to take notee
@@LeafBlade3436nah
Still demon1 was the one who played bigger role on eg success
eg just got lucky that their enemies are being an nervous wreck stop glazing lmfao
and if ur cant accept that ur prob an NA glazer also
@@hellothere8381lmao. What kind of dumbass comment is this?
Hello, FNC fan here (have been for like 10 years lmfao) Not from america or even really like any of the NA teams, i think EG is the second best team and as of now FNC is still the best, LOUD is just such a kryptonite to FNC, but you saying EG didnt deserve it, kinda dumb to say, they wanted it more then anybody else and they proved it.
@@fiddlesticks6240 never said anything about not deserving, but u gotta admit that in true prx fashion, they choked and overcooked (js like copenhagen)
so many NA kids on socials acting like its a blowout when 2 / 3 prx eg games this year has been a 5 map banger
I can't believe your girlfriend finally let you out of the closet. I thought the day would never come.
Not coach diff, its demon1 diff bringing the confidence in the team
It’s coach diff for sure
Demon1 is insane but without the rigorous training implementation potter had, he can't just "bring confidence into the team" and expect to win against other top tier players and strategy lol. Discrediting potter and attributing the team success to just demon1 shows how shallow your understanding is.
then why wasn't yay capable of bringing the confidence of dsg players?
@unzero3274 Potter is insane but without Demon1's raw skill, Potter can't just "make the team better". Discrediting Demon1 and attributing the team's success to only Potter shows how shallow your understanding is.
@@xastric6944cuz the DSG players were complete ass lol and had 0 teamplay.
demon1 sold his soul?
if only PRX have 15-man roster, they could win champs 😂
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