The Paradox of WEIGHTED CALISTHENICS
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2020
- Weighted calisthenics is an interesting concept that I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. This group of exercises on top of being a staple of many people’s training programs, became an independent competitive discipline. When we talk about weighted calisthenics, what most people mean is basically taking bodyweight movements and loading them with external resistance in different forms, usually weight belts, chains, vests or ankle weights. I myself am a big fan of exercises that are commonly included to this training style and regularly put them to my or my clients programs. Lately tough Ive been going deeper into analyzing this term and came to a couple of interesting conclusions that made me question the idea behind weighted calisthenics term and found some intriguing contradictions that lots of people seem to miss. The statement im gonna make right now might be a bit shocking to you but… what if I told you there’s no such thing as weighted calisthenics, and if there is then its just another name for lifting weights. For further context and explanation watch the full video. Enjoy...
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If you ever want to talk about overweight calisthenics, I can give you some clips of me doing moves in that condition.
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Sweet.
Sumo calisthenics
@@FringeWizard2 sumo wrestlers actually do mostly calisthenics, and they have the most massive natural lower bodies I've ever seen
@@joatanpereira4272their legs are training 24/7 carrying their weight
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That was surprisingly interesting! I choose a simplistic view: similar to powerlifting or olympic weight lifting, the definition of weighted calisthenics (or streetlifting) is simply the combination of 1RM in the dip and pullup. A strict definition is only needed for competitions, so I think the only open question is whether or not to include back squat. In my opinion it should be included to make the discipline more well-rounded and make competitions more interesting to watch.
Thats a great way! Thank you for sharing 👍
*there is a bodyweight excercise called upside down deadlift.
damn man thats way harder than normal deadlift
And there's the single-leg deadlift, that you can do with just bodyweight, as well as "weighted"
Man you broke down my thoughts in 1am when I can not sleep:"so squats with barbell are just weighted calisthenics?"
The barbell squat *movement* is calisthenics in nature, yes...
But it's a weight training exercise simply because the goal of the barbell squat is to push heavier and heavier weight over time... that barbell full of plates is what dictates your performance and progress over time, not the movement itself.
@@davepazz580 i know, but you will have certain number of reps on BW squats, but it will be like 30x more then for example max number of pullups. That is true. But, the same goal you mentioned is for example when doing weighted pullups. And thats very funny 😂😂
Yes that's right... and that's because the weighted pull-up is a weight training exercise (really no different than a barbell squat).
@@davepazz580 clear difference between regular weight excersise and weighted calisthenics excersise is simple: in former you lif unloaded small amount of your BW and in the latter you are lifting majority of your bodyweight.
True, and the reason for this is one of them is an "open-chain" kinetic exercise (meaning the body remains fixed and only the limbs move) and the other is a "closed-chain" kinetic exercise (meaning the limbs remain fixed and the body itself is what moves)...
This is actually the more proper way of categorizing "weighted" calisthenics exercises, they are simply closed-chain movements.
I would define weighted calisthenics as typical compound body-weighted exercises that have external weights added for progressive overload.
Good one 👍 Thank you
In short, it's weight training...
so, barbell squat
@Rafał Sobczyk Barbell Squat, Weighted dips, Weighted Pull-ups, Weighted Push-ups, etc.
Maybe a reedit of my definition, but any bodyweight workouts that have added weight. Since most bodyweight workouts are compound on some level, I chose that wording initially.
Same here
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Thank you so much, thats exactly what i want to do. Basically create a community of calisthenics people that are critical thinkers as well. Thank you once again
I have two different answers to your conundrum that when you categorise like this, most people will agree on most exercises how they are classified, when classified by either of these rules.
1. The difference between weighted calisthenics and weight training is a sliding scale and depends on whether the bonus weight or the bodyweight represents the majority of the resistance. For example squats would be weighted calisthenics as long as bonus weight is less than bodyweight, but someone squatting more than bodyweight is doing weight training. Meanwhile the curl would be weight training as soon as the dumbbell is significantly heavier than your forearm+hand. A deadlift is usually performed with a lot of weight, so it is almost always classified as weight training under this rule.
2. Weighted calisthenics is any exercise in which one or more limbs are pulling or pushing on a stationary grip/object to lift the torso, and bonus weight is somehow attached to the torso. Weight training is when the limbs are pulling or pushing a weight in order to lift it. This definition always classifies squat as weighted calisthenics since the weight is moving because the torso is moving, and the weight is supported by the torso rather than the limbs. The deadlift would be classified as weight training since the hands are holding the weight. Under this rule, leg raises would not count as weighted calisthenics, but becomes weight training as soon as ankle weights are added.
@@test-zg4hv And yet, you took the time to watch the video, read the comments, and even reply. Why?
Daniel Arad Probably to see if the video contained any interesting thoughts or information.
I think definition 1 is far better than definition 2.
Let's take the pelican curl eccentrics with a weight vest on as an example - this should be classified as weighted calisthenics but neither the grip nor the object (rings/body) are entirely stationary throughout the RoM. This also completely bypasses the "in order to lift" part of the definition as you are really only descending the entire time. But it completely meets the criteria for weighted calisthenics in definition 1 as long as the weighted vest is not heavier than your bodyweight.
I think one "improvement" I can make to definition 1 is by defining exercises as weighted calisthenics by appealing to how much weight is typically expected to be loaded for most people. That way, a weighted pull-up will always be considered a weighted calisthenics movement even if you load it with more additional weight than bodyweight. Since the vast majority of people will progress well within the confines of the 50% threshold in the majority of cases, it can be categorized as a weighted calisthenics movement regardless of the freaks out there who load it up out the wazoo.
@@GodisgudAQW The rings aren't stationary in all directions, but they are attached to a stationary object, which is what you're effectively pulling on. Even by definition 2, I would classify pelican curls as (weighted) calisthenics. In contrast if example you'd attach the rings to a pulley system to lift a stack of weights, it would be weight training. Whether the movement is eccentric or normal reps doesn't matter for this definition, as long as the movement is reversible i.e. the negative looks the same as the positive played backwards, I consider it the same exercise.
I would define calisthenics as the control and strenght to move your body in space (doesn't matter if weighted or not) and weightlifting as its name says is moving weights trough space. The difference would be the objective, which can be move a weight or move your body. An example would be push ups vs bench press or pull ups vs lat pulldowns.
Okay! So it seems you choose the close chain vs open chain. Would you then consider deadlift to be calisthenics and leg raises not? Cause that is what has disrupted my reasoning in this direction
@@FrinksmovementTV leg raises is calisthenics and deadlift not! The objective of leg raises is to move your legs trough a ROM and in deadlift you move a weight without using your bw.
Yes but look at it - in deadlift you move your torso as well - just like in a squat - its a closed chain exercise.
@@tomasachaval77 He's right dead lift is a closed chain excersise. Just like a push up is close chained.
Yup exactly 👍
Great video as usual! amazing editing that must be recognized you put a lot of work into that man, already looking foward to next videos lol, also i guess im one of the calisthenics nerds too haha
Haha thats fantastic. You are the part of community then! We gotta unite all calisthenics nerds around the world! Thank you brother ;) Have a nice day!
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Thank you as always!
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Ι'd say that the main difference between calisthenics and weight training is that calisthenics specifically works on some sort of gymnastics skills.
My definition of callisthenics doing compound movements that builds resistences and makes you stronger with your bodyweight
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The term "weighted calisthenics" is really an oxymoron... like "calisthenics weight training" would be.
I know people use this term to distinguish (for example) push-ups with a weight plate on your back as opposed to dumbbell bench presses, to differentiate between doing weighted pull-ups and barbell curls, etc.
But despite the movement itself, anytime you push or pull an external load any which way and that load is your measure of progress in that exercise, that is weight training...
A more appropriate term to use would be "closed-chain kinetic exercises"... since both closed-chain and open-chain exercises aren't defined by whether the moving of weights are involved or not, as calisthenics and weight training clearly are.
You should makes a video about high reps or high volume calisthenics. Just likes those sets n reps and prisoners guys do. I find it's to be underrated. It's literally how I got my first gains with calisthenics.
You should do both weighted and non-weighted high rep explosive workouts
Totally agree. I consider calisthenics high rep work not muscle endurance smilar to marathons but more a bodyweight workload conditioning. You can achieve insane conditioning and high strength. Even if you cannot reach top strength in specific lifts, the strength achieved is enough for everyday life superhero and you can integrate it with substantial resistance to fatigue, which I think is heavily underestimated.
@@Ilethsamael that's like what barbarians do
@@justaguyfromreddit that is what makes people strong. This debate of "endurance" is reaching ridiculous heights...who has never been impressed by a man that can relentlessly exert strength all day? A man that is always ready and strong? High reps achieve that and keeping every high rep set to failure is an incredible mind steeling process.
@@Ilethsamael tbh I used to be coached by Sergio Di Pasquale, and I was too doing endurance calisthenics.
I loved it.
I was able to perform 400 pullups in 20 minutes, in 20 reps sets.
Only problem was, my workouts were like 4-5 hours long, and so I had to chance when I started working and going to college
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Awesome 🙏🏻 Glad you liked it and thank you for your words
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Im glad you enjoyed. Thank you, working on a new video ;)
I would define calisthenics as any bodyweight compound movement. Meaning all exercises that involves different muscle groups working together in unison. Therefore I do not regard forearm flexion or leg extensions as calisthenics exercises but rather isolation work.
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Good video! Interesting thoughts! I'll take some time to think about, and if I come up with something helpful, I'll share! Keep on with these types of videos!!
Slowly going through all your videos. Great work
You have too little subscribers to such a good content omg...
Well, im glad that you think so! Still motivated to push through it, maybe a bigger audience will come eventually, but i already appreciate what i have at the moment.
Another great video! Sick bodyweight deadlifts yo! Lol. For me when I think calisthenics, I think pullups/pushups/dips/rows/levers/planche etc. Add weight to those and boom, weighted calisthenics! RedDeltaProject did a video on this way back and likes the term Loaded Calisthenics, as weighted, well your body weighs so doing it body'weight' is still weighted in a sense.
Oh interesting concept! Gonna watch it then! And yeah hahah ive been practising the bw deads for weeks to make that performance happen, i knew its gonna blow people's minds. Thank you brother and than you for the clips 🙏🏻
@@FrinksmovementTV No problem man you got lots of potential and could use some exposure, keep up the awesome work! There's a lot of channels out there with shit content that has way more subs just cause fancy cameras or whatever, when there's underrated gems like your channel around, pisses me off lol
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@@vexedev Well, It is definitelly the case. I update my video quality out of pure passion for creation, plus educate myself to get new ideas. But one thing that may lack in my case is 1. more content 2. promotion. Usually the video of this type requires 2-4 weeks to make from getting the idea to uploading. Of course depends on many factors. So because of that i started doing more podcasts to fulfil that gap, when i work on more complicated videos like this one, plus thinking of doing shorter videos. I know already that my creative inner self wont let me to produce low quality content hahah cause i want to always improve. But i can always post like 3 minutes videos with some short rant instead of big analyzis. For the second problem (promotion) I started sharing my stuff more, on groups reddit and stuff, plus asking for engagement - like asking my viewers for a footage. I might do a facebook group in the future. But well, all i can say is that i believe we can make it, and make calisthenics community better in result. It needs time, dedication and pushing through hard times but i believe we can make that!
I'm sure that you will grow a lot sooner or later, keep it up!
Thank you so much! Very encouraging 🙏🏻
Pretty cool video, I assume you took a lot of time into it. I actually thought about the same thing some time a go and also realized that you could consider all the "weight exercises" like curls, raises without additional weight as calisthenics exercises.
Haha yeah. I think my videos are the reflection of many people's thoughts but noone is actually taking it step further. And i mean, its not any practical nor important topic. But because i like this stuff and tend to be super nuanced - hopefully will create a plece for people like me. Thank you for nice words 🙏🏻
@@FrinksmovementTV yeah love it! I also like thinking this way.
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Thank you so much! Working on a new project :)
I always thought Calisthenics just ment "beautiful strength" and someones ability to elegantly display their strength with little to no equipment. For me it includes mobility and flexibility training along with weight training and the use of the bodyweight holds and their variants (progressions/regressions) are as a marker for progress, and ultimately demonstration. I never understood why people say you cant use weights. I think its just that there's not much need for them at the beginning of you Calisthenics journey
Well, sure it all depends on the context. But we gotta admit calisthenics is most often (and according to most definitions) presented as bodyweight training, without the usage of resistance. Not that its wrong to use weights or anything, the video is not about it, its just a nuanced discussion regarding terminology. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 👍
Oh yeah your right that is what its presented as...but thats kinda what I was saying, I dont see why its commonly presented as bodyweight only because if you look at the etymology, the word calisthenics derives from the ancient Greek words kallos (κάλλος), which means "beauty" or "beautiful" and sthenos (σθένος), meaning "strength ........
Thanks for interesting content and taking the time to reply!
@@benday8507 Oh great reasoning 👍
Interesting video as usual, your content is still very underrated.
I guess when weighted calisthenics can use the same programming principles as other types of weight training, distinctions are not a big deal.
Thank you Massimo!
Maybe we can say that in calisthenics exercises the trunk is used as load. In all upper body exercise you are lifting the trunk. During leg raises your arms also lift the torso and you flex your core during the movement. I would include squat in calisthenics like jump squats or pistol squats. For the deadlift it looks strange but why not after all. When you analyse the movement it looks like a weighted jump where you just don’t go off the floor
Oh this one is very interesting. So lifting the trunk.. good idea. Thank you for sharing!
If your bodyweight makes up a large part of the resistance it is calisthenics in my book. It simply is a wiser way to use your already existing weight as part of the exercise when possible.
Calisthenics is using nothing but the manipulation of gravity to build strength in the body...
Good job man , all solid points
Watching this while doing some weighted calisthenics ^^ an other great video man!
Haha awesome man, hope you doin gains! Im also waiting to do some weighted stuff tomorrow. Keep up the training and videos 👍💪
Makes sense actually if somebody really needs to master their body weight movements then if they find basic calisthenics movements too easy then they should basically try gymnastics movements on rings or other equipment’s , But but their is flip side to it Aesthetics calisthenics is not just to make u strong but for looks as well (though the definition of aesthetics and good looking men’s physic has evolved to highest levels in today generation) again for example (New York street workout people or Prison workouts) people stay fit , explosive, lean without using a lot of weights , I think everybody must have their clear goals and combining disciplines in your training’s is best options 👍 great video man
A very good idea to discuss different topics regarding calisthenics.
Thank you!
Hey Frinks!
Your channel is very unique,since you are one of the very few (if not the only) person discussing such concepts,
and always coming up with new ideas,that i have never listened being discussed.
So i respect and appreciate you for this alone,not to mention your research and attention to details on your videos.
The only thing that 'bothers' me,is that you talk too fast for me to understand the concepts you are describing,
so i have to pause every now and then to really absorb your content.
Other than that,great content!!👍👍👍
Hey! Thank you for the feedback i really appreciate this kind of critique. Im gonna do my best to improve audio for the next time ;)
@@FrinksmovementTV What I was taught for giving public speeches is that people often speak a bit faster than they think they are. Creating very brief pauses, that at first feel unnatural, may result in a much nicer content to listen to. Do try it out next time (I know it's painful to hear recordings of oneself)
Oh thank you im gonna take this and put to my notes. So more pauses on critical moments. Got it 👍
I really enjoyed this video!
I'm so glad! Thank you 🙏
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Haha! Thank you for the clips again!
I remember reading this somewhere, that the reason external weight is not recommended/used is because somewhat the point where that weight attaches causes many tendons, small muscles and nervous system, to accommodate to that weight in that point, meaning, the ideal external weight would be a full weighted skin.
Now you can see the whys, for example, if you don't have this magic skin, the "recommend" anchor points and exercices are reduced more and more.
The other line of thought is, if from those exercices where anchoring weight is considerer OK (its never going to be perfect), then, how do you balance with the muscles, tendons and nerves that don't get that stimulus? are the weights for them too? and then, if they suffer from the same anchor deficiency, where things overlap and where do not?
So in the end, thats why weights should be carefully considered, specially the when.
So glad I found your channel. Keep up mate. PS: You look a little like a young Tom Merrick :D
Great video. Yes it does become nuanced when trying to figure out a strict definition. I think we at least have a solid definition of Streetlifting ? Would that be better to use instead of weighted calisthenics?
Also, even if someone mainly trains skill, but also includes weighted pullups/dips etc, what is the title of their training? Is it calisthenics with some weighted cali on the side? Lol
I think street lifting is a great term yeah - cause its just a sports discipline just like powerlifting. In regards to second part - well its just combining calisthenics and weights - with majority of bodyweight training. Thats how i name it haha, yeah pretty nuanced but hey, thats what i do. Thank you 👍
Awesome video bro
Appreciate it!
Great video 👍, you made great point all of which I agree with it is likely impossible to find a perfect definition like you said... we may have to settle for a imperfect definition of possibly one similar or like this.
any body weight movement that has reps bellow an infinite amount that is strength, hypertrophy or endurance based is calisthenics and any exercise with limited reps without weight with it added becomes weighted calisthenics any exercise with unlimited amounts of reps is not calisthenics and adding weight to those movements is lifting.(I know the definition is not perfect but for now good enough to get the job done for now)
I know this definition is not perfecting would then consider the deadlift weighted calisthenics and does not take in things like you said possibly people going through re abilitation will be considering the un weighted bicep curl a calisthenics exercise however theoretically speaking every normal person who has never lifted a weight in their life’s or done a single pushup should be able to perform unlimited un weighted bicep curls so there are flaws in this definition but it does somewhat make sense...
if you think about it as lifting weight for strength is pretty much just that as without it you can do an infinite amount of reps and with weighted calisthenics without weight you can still only do an amount of reps before you fail the exercise.
Nether the less great video as always keep up the great work probably the best science based calisthenics channel.
Your comment shows me that you watched the whole thing and listened to all my points. Thank you, you presented very critical thinking and i actually really like the ideas you proposed. Also thank you for your words, new vids coming up very soon. Take care
Great Philosophical Video!
The key thing is missing is FORM!
I think it's always useful to look at the etymology: "The word calisthenics comes from the ancient Greek words kalós (καλός), which means "beautiful" (to emphasize the aesthetic pleasure that derives from the perfection of the human body), and sthenos (σθένος), meaning "strength" (great mental strength, courage, strength, and determination)." (Wikipedia)
What differentiate calisthenics from fitness activities? In weightlifting is all about lifting the most weight; bodybuilding is all about building muscles; yoga is about connecting body and mind; crossfit is all about competition: AMRAP (as many reps as possible) or for time. And Calisthenics is all about reaching that perfect form: beautiful strength.
What I leaned in this video: if your clothing and shoes weight more than 1 lb it isn't calisthenics, it is weight training.
Wrong...
The weight of clothing is incidental... nobody uses that weight to actually measure progress because it's not significant or even measurable against performance enough.
Your videos are absolutely amazing! It appears that you stopped producing them about three years ago, but I also noticed that you responded to a comment posted within the past year. So I will assume (and hope!) that you are still interested and engaged. That said, I'll add a few remarks regarding how we might go about defining "calisthenics" as the term is now used.
First of all, calisthenics seems to involve either strength, movement, balance, or some combination of the three. Let's just focus on "strength calisthenics" and thus exclude things like freestyle calisthenics and (unfortunately) handstands.
A reasonable starting point might be to make a relatively complete list of the activities we consider to be (strength) calisthenics. This would include both isometric moves (levers, planches, iron crosses, flags, and L-sits) as well as dynamic moves. And the dynamic moves can be separated into lower body moves (squats) and upper body moves. And finally, the upper body moves are either pull moves (chin-ups and pull-ups), push moves (push-ups, dips, and handstand push-ups against a wall), or combinations of the two (muscle-ups on the bar or rings). I've certainly missed some, but let's take this as a starting point.
Now we want to "characterize" these activities by finding properties that all these activities have in common (something that is relatively easy to do), while ensuring that the list of properties is extensive enough to rule out all other activities (something almost impossible to do). But let's just look at the following two properties, and see if that's a start:
1. There is minimal movement within a confined area.
2. Resistance is increased as external weight is added to the body's center of mass.
We phrase (2) as we did since chin-ups are not made more difficult by using wrist weights and squats are no harder with ankle weights. So what are we ruling out? Well, (1) rules out running, swimming, shot putting, standing high jumps, standing long jumps, and gymnastics (for example) while (2) rules out weight lifting activities like the deadlift or the bench press (but not the squat).
So what is not ruled out and what other properties are needed? Hmmm ...
I think what distinguishes calisthenics from lifting is in how you progress. With calisthenics, your aim is to get to a harder progression. With lifting, your aim is simply to increase the weight. If you use weights in an exercise with the ultimate aim being to do that same exercise but at greater loads in the future, that's just lifting. But if you use weights as a vehicle to progress to more advanced movements, that's calisthenics. Just my two cents.
That's exactly right... it's all about what kind of resistance are you using to train your muscles?
One form (weight training) is about strengthening your muscles by pushing or pulling against greater and greater external loads over time.
And calisthenics is about strengthening your muscles by manipulating gravity to greater and greater degrees over time against the body to move against.
I would say, calisthenics is when your body is moving through space, or your center of mass
what about isometric skills?🤔
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Then the exercise is categorised according to what kind of movement you would be doing if you were moving.
Then are barbell squats weighted calisthenics as well?
@@jmcantila9104 Yes. Pistol squats are calisthenics, regular bodyweight squats are calisthenics, add weights and its weighted calisthenics
What about rock climbing, running and swimming?
Your thought is really intresting .
This guy made this video while having only 400 subs. Underrated asf.
Great stuff man
Thank you mate! Check out the channel you are doing great job 💪 Congrats on the press
@@FrinksmovementTV thanks man, was so happy when I did it! Keep up the great work!
This was very interesting indeed!
My personal take on this is that weights on the calisthenics exercises (i.e. chin up and dips) moves roughly the same way the body moves, so I would take squat as weighted calisthenics too. on the other hand, movements like barbell row and deadlift have the weights move in a less similar way as the whole body moves(kinda) so I wouldn't take it as weighted calisthenics
Ah bro this is my game! I love weighted calisthenics. I am not entirely in agreement with you in this video (I believe weighted calisthenics is still calisthenics 😉). In most cases the person does weighted versions of a calisthenics exercise because they are seeking more strength than their bodyweight currently allows. Adding weights to make something harder for the purpose of strength, doesn't change the exercise into something that no longer falls within the realm of calisthenics.
When it comes to streetlifting for example, then perhaps it is worth arguing that it no longer falls within the realms of exclusive calisthenics moves. Now the exercise is more of a means to an end, the end being lifting the most weight (and winning the competition). That sounds A LOT more like weightlifting.
But as always, great video sir! 🙏🏻 Keep making these! 😁 I hope to add my own strength videos soon, watch this space for some useful info 😎👍🏻
Thank you brother! Its great that you got your own opinion and thats exactly the goal of these videos! I want to know your stance and its always great to read it. This video is not really my opinion but observation. I also classify weighted calisthenics as calisthenics, and all i question here is the term. I use weighted pulls and dips very often in my training. Oh Im waiting for the videos, definitely let me know when you upload something! And im up for it! Thank you once again and have a great day ;)
This is a such not needed video, yet its still so interesting
Exactly my thought when producing it haha
I agree the term is impossible to define exactly, but I can propose a less precise distinction which follows this thought process: weighted calisthenics is when the larger portion of the resistance comes from body weight for an average athlete performing it and not the added load.
This fits nicely with examples of +20% BW pullup, +40% BW dip, +5kg leg raises, while excluding 100% bodyweight squat, 100%BW deadlift, 10kg bicep curls and many other examples I can think of for your common lifter.
It is something i thought about! I think its gonna work for most people. As of course in pullups you will see guys that lift 120% but they are definite minority. So yup thats a great one 👍
You deserve more subscribers
Thank you 🙏🏻 I appreciate you think so.
Regular rings is challenging for me since Ive put on more mass since I've last done them. Weighted rings would be a pipe dream lol
Interesting video. Subbed. Always during my warm up, stretching with resistance bands, i was telling myself. What tf am i doing right now and is that calistenics? 🤔
Hahah yeah same stuff! Thank you for subbing! Good timing cause new video appears in 10 minutes 👍🙏🏻
@@FrinksmovementTV Noice, thanks for waiting with that video on my subscription. 😇
In my opinion what matters each individuals end goal.
For example :
If your end goal is lifting as heavy as possible - Powerlifting
If your end goal is achieving specific skills - Calisthenics
If your end goal is a good body - Bodybuilding
Etc
Everything else you use it's just the tools to achieve it.
I couldnt agree more 👍 SPECIFICITY is a king
You can body build with weighted calisthenics to. Slow controlled reps, full range, focus on the stretch and contraction. Aim for the hypertrophy rep ranges and time under tension. A weighted push up is as good I think better than bench. Simply because you get more stretch and range. You can build just as impressive of chest development as bench press can. Look at guys like Dajen Stilke chest.
I agree
@@brendon2462 of course you can build muscle with calisthenics even without additional weight. But if your main goal is to build muscle then you are doing bodybuilding.
How about the following: calisthenics includes exercises that include the moving of the body through space (think of push-ups as an example) instead of weight training which is moving objects through space with the most part of the body remaining in the same position (think of bench press in contrast to the previously mentioned push ups).
That should solve the paradoxon which, in my opinion, only originates from the lack of a proper definition which i ment to procide. What do you all think of this definition?
Good point - it is actually mentioned in the video - Closed vs Open chain exercises. Would you then classify bodyweight deadlift as calisthenics and deadlift as weighted? Because thats the only exception that kinda ruins this classification. Thank you 🙏🏻
Many people confuse "closed-chain" kinetic chain exercises with calisthenics but they are not necessarily the same thing...
All calisthenics movements are closed-chain, but not all closed-chain exercises are calisthenics.
For example, a pull-up is a calisthenics movement and a closed-chain exercise... if you add weight to the pull-up to increase the difficulty, it remains a closed-chain exercise but you are no longer *doing* calisthenics, now it's weight training.
To do actual calisthenics, difficulty would have been increased by non-weighted means... such as performing more reps, performing much slower and more controlled reps, by emphasizing one pulling side over the other (single limb), by using rings instead of a bar, by doing static reps, etc.
I would split in Movements with a fixed Torso and a moving torso. So a Squat is a calisthenics exercise because the torso moves. A leg press, shoulder press, bench press etc not, because your torso is fixed and your arms/legs move through space.
Also from a carry over effect I think this split makes sense. Because most of th
You have overlooked that in weighted calisthenics the main resistance comes from bodyweight and the weight added is usually a relatively small addition while in weight training the most resistance comes from the external weights.
You can easily deadlift or squat two times your bodyweight after some training, but you will very rarely see someone doing weighted pull ups or dips with more than their bodyweight. Of course there are some exceptions but it seems like a good rule of thumb.
Hey, thank you for the comment. Yeah I think its the best reasoning out of all - the only problem like you mentioned is that its relative and not really objective. Someone can do dips with 70KG, the other person might be at the same weight with squatting ;) But yeah - in general i agree - thats exactly what differs weight training and weighted calisthenics in my book - but cant really standardize it because while it does apply to a big chunk of population - very hard to establish it
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@@FrinksmovementTV I'm very inspired by the way you make video's! I switched from a succesfull gaming channel to training and I'd say i'm pretty strong when it comes to calisthenics but I was looking into programming and found your channel! Please continue the programming series it's definetly hard to come across good solid programming information for calishtenics people and it's majorly overlooked imo.
I do brother. Thank you so much i checked your channel out and it seems you made a comeback lately. GREAT! Its all the matter of consistency just pump ot that content and you gonna get there again, as you were with your gaming stuff. Yep next vid coming soon and after that the episode 4 coming. Still doing a bit of reading for this one. And yeah for now you can check out the recent podcast i did with Refael. Thank you and have a nice day 👍
@@FrinksmovementTV Thanks for the in depth reply! you seem like a well educated guy! I'll be here to learn more about training since I've really been trying to program better :)
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Damn i glad i was not the only one that though that
If we go with the strict word definition of calisthenics, training with body weight, then do we should train naked?
Yeah i think its only way it counts
No because the reason we wear clothes has nothing to do with purposefully adding more resistance...
@@davepazz580 So why calisthenics athletes take off their sneakers?
I haven't noticed any that do with that specific purpose in mind... many others keep their shoes on.
I suggest to find the definition of calistenics in its own ethymology from greek: the beauty (cali) of strenght (stenos)> For me calisthenics is doing BODYWEIGHT exercises that are impressive to see, that is not achievable by the majority of people without a specific a long training (ex handstands, muscle ups, etc...) Nice video, keep going!
Thank you Alberto!
I'm like one year late but anyway..
Calisthenics is any movement performed using bodyweight as the base weight (your body is what moves around the center of gravity and not weights)
They way I see it is: You can't draw an exact line. No matter if you're doing weight lifting or weighted calisthenics, there are probably going to be some overlaps in certain areas. I moved from weight lifting to weighted calisthenics and neither the exercises or the results have been the same so it's obviously not the same thing. This video made me question a lot because it seems like it's very unclear exactly where the line goes, yet somehow, everyone I've talked to about weighted calisthenics seems to have a pretty similar picture of what it is. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter as long as you're getting a good workout. Everyone has to find the best way to workout for themselves. I think that's the best way to get results.
If you're moving an external load of some kind (be it a barbell, dumbbell, weight plate, weighted vest, ankle weights, etc.) and that load is not only your main resistance, but your focus of performance and progression, *that* is weight training...
It doesn't matter if that external weight is being curled by your arms or hung from your waist as your body moves through space... it *still* counts as weight training.
"Calisthenics" is strength training by means of manipulating gravity in some form *only* as a means to increase resistance...
This channel validates my chronic overthinking😅
omg you had only a few hundred subs back then!
Don't fret.
Just do it!
How about:-
Calisthenics:- " Load-based training where the load is integrated or strapped on". As it can also mean exercising or strenuous activity where you are wearing heavy armor or carry equipment. I.e running with military gear or equipment
Calisthenics is using the manipulation of gravity as resistance...
The type of dude of teacher that over complicates something and then says you're dumb for not understanding.
I think that the calisthenics definition should consider the control of our body, not only to develop strenght. Weighted calisthenics modifies your mass center and that changes your balance.
I think this is the reason why weighted pullups, for example, don't let you improve one arm pullup directly
"Weighted" calisthenics is merely weight training...
I'm thinking of a new band called 'Rage against gravity' 😂😂😂
Calisthenics is moving yeur body against a resistance, weight training is moving the weight or the resistance
Calisthenics specificity is using your own body weight as resistance. And what you call here "too light weight" when you are doing a biceps curl without any dumbell, is using air as resistance. So it's not comparable. Air has no weight, but your body has.
So when you're doing weighted calisthenics, you always add weight to the base, which is your bodyweight.
If you see it that way, you could also just consider weight training as weighted calisthenics
The term "weighted calisthenics" is an oxymoron...
Kalo or kali in greek means good, sthenos is strength, or resiliency ( in physical terms), thats all
Maybe you could define it based on weather or not you benefit from having a higher bodyweight
The benefit would be the same either way...
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The easiest way to put Calisthenics is that you move (or hold) your entire body - centre of mass - against gravity in a horizontal or vertical plane, not only flex your forearm. Thats a forearm flexion not Calisthenics. So only compound exercises would count. Thats my approach to it.
Well, from a physics standpoint, weighted calisthenics is completely different then weight lifting.
Calisthenics is the mass of your body and your center of mass competing against gravity; if you add weight to your body, you’re increasing your mass and increasing your difficulty to overcome the force gravity (working your biochemistry and muscular system completely different when dealing with your center of mass).
Weighted training is your ability to overcome a center of mass that is outside of your own. You don’t need to fight gravity to “weight train”, you just need to overcome the other mass regardless of gravity being a factor or not which works your muscular system and biochemistry/physics completely different.
The stronger you get in your own center of mass being able to overcome the force of gravity (which is what true scientific “weight” is), the more your muscles are trained in abilities that bring you closer to “weightlessness” (hence why calisthenics athletes look like literal super-humans), you don’t have to get big to be EXTREMELY strong because the goal isn’t to overcome a separate mass.
Weights, on the other hand, your strength is defined by simply being able to overcome another mass and that’s it. this is why weight training, you can be 300 lbs of fat or 300lbs of raw muscle, as long as your body is able to achieve force greater than the mass of whatever object you’re moving, you’re considered strong.
On a calisthenics physique, every piece of tissue has a functioning purpose to overcome gravity. When they’ve trained to overcome a heavier center of gravity, then without the added body mass, their muscles literally are stronger than their actual weight, why they’re fast as fuck, strong as shit and have “endurance”(because they literally feel nothing to endure) plus all the training go range of motion and flexibility.
With weight literally, just be bigger than the other weight or achieve more force than the other mass can achieve back. You won’t achieve speed, flexibility or any of that crazy Kung fu shit, but you will be increasing your ability to act on a separate mass and overcome it quicker, not being overcome by any mass smaller than you or that simply can’t achieve the force to overcome you, your ability to endure interactions with a separate mass for longer periods of time etc.
If you value strength and ability to overcome your own body and gravity, then calisthenics or weighted calisthenics is for you INCREASING CENTER OF MASS NOT USING A DUMBBELL WHICH IS A SEPARATE BODY OF MASS. Pretending that you’re moving a separate body of mass is not calisthenics, such as an “air bench press” or pretending to lift a weight that doesn’t exist. Moving your arms is not the same as moving the weight of your body or your CENTER OF MASS. The weight of your ENTIRE body has to be acting on whatever muscles you’re working.
If you just value the strength in moving other bodies of mass, then weights is for you which is dumbbells. Benchpress etc moving SEPARATE bodies of mass.
This is why it's better to categorize exercises these as "closed-chain" kinetic exercises or "open-chain" kinetic exercises, rather than "weighted calisthenics" vs "weight training"...
@@davepazz580 Agreed
Yeah either calisthenics or any other means the way of the progress of the body is either harder muscle contration or longer mucle contraction
I propose a solution: if the exercise has a larger proportion of weight being moved around from bodyweight than free weights, it’s calisthenics. The only issue with this that I can see is that some people might get reaaalllly good at weighted pullups or something to the point that they have more free weights on than their bodyweight.
I was thinking about it! Thats actually one of the better ones! With this one thing in mind that you mentioned, some people can do 100+ BW dips or pull ups and obviously push ups. Thank you for sharing
Calisthenics is a strength training method where the manipulation of gravity is the type of resistance used...
Weight training is a strength training method where external loads are the type of resistance used...
Weighted pull-ups is weight training, since the external load you are pulling up is now the main focus of performance and future progression ("today I lifted 10 lbs. next month I will work towards 20 lbs.").
Spanish subtitles please! this great content must be known by Spanish speakers
Oh that made me thinking! Thank you!
Orrrrr you could just learn english?
@@ghastly8192 nah bro. Learning a new Language takes a long time. Subtitles are better.
Thank you guys for the discussion. I will think about engaging the community and maybe someone will make the subtitles for next projects 💪
@@ghastly8192 I'm on it, but it's easier to reach more languages with subtitles than advising them all to learn English.
Is doing push ups while wearing clothes weighted calisthenics or weight lifting?
It's neither...
on the body weight % walking loads +90% on the ankle and we wouldn't call it calisthenics
We probably would not I agree
I don't quite agree with the reasoning behind why a curl may be called weighted calisthenics. I would define calisthenics as "exercises which move one's body through space" as opposed to traditional lifting, which would be "moving an external object through space". Simply moving a bodypart would not suffice; the centre of the body must move. That being said, I whole-heartedly agree with the fact that the line between calisthenics and lifting is a blurry one. I have always argued that the back squat, for example, is by all definitions a weighted calisthenics exercise, and I have played with the idea of calling deadlifts calisthenics. Great video!
A barbell squat is technically a calisthenics *movement* but since the weight load on your back is the intended resistance and the main focus of performance and progress over time, it is always properly classified as a weight training exercise...
I think a much better way to classify exercises is not "weight training vs. calisthenics" but "open-chain" kinetic exercises vs. "closed-chain" kinetic exercises... because this way, weight being used or not doesn't change the proper classification of the exercise.
@@davepazz580 That makes sense. Thanks!
I guess close kinetic chain an open kinetic chain is an easier way to organise exercises.
Yup i think its the best way. Just would exclude lower body, i mean i would make weighted calisthenics all weighted closed chain upper body exercises.
@@FrinksmovementTV classification of exercises is very complex as you said in your video. And I agree with you on the lower body exercises part. Calisthenics is popular because of those cool upper body movements. So only those should be taken into consideration.
Yup! Agree! Of course someones gonna say "so what weighted pistol is not weighted calisthenics?" But i stay with my opinion
@@FrinksmovementTV my point is that do whatever exercises you want to do.
Mind blown
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This is almost as good as the parkour free running debate
I think that the defintion of calisthenics would instead be the athletic ability to manipulate your own body in space in order to master your own proportion and weight. Calisthenics is both an aesthetic goal and a gymnastic goal. I see it more as the endeavor to achieve complete body dominance that is easily convertible into real world athleticism. Weights are obviously useful but often too specific. To be honest I would treat them differently and use BOTH to increase athleticism.