Viewer Poll Winner: A 1971 Seiko Blue Pogue With Critical Problems Repaired
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- Welcome to Weekend Watch Repair! In this episode, we embark on a captivating journey into inner workings of a 1971 Seiko Blue Pogue - 6139-6002. Chosen by our community, this watch undergoes a meticulous rebuild that showcases some of the normally unseen aspects of watch repair. We will delve deep, addressing the issues resulting from some previous poor repair attempts.
My thanks to the community for choosing this next watch. This one was more of a challenge than I had originally anticipated, and I believe those challenges resulted a better quality video that really dives deep on how these old Seiko chronographs work and how they need to be adjusted. It really sheds light on the importance of parts and end shake inspections and what pitfalls you can encounter when one of both of these are off.
I'd like to extend my heartfelt thanks to the community for choosing this watch, which provided me with the opportunity to share this enriching experience with you. Sit back, relax, and enjoy this deep dive into the world of the 1971 Seiko Blue Pogue rebuild.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:07 Inspection
01:59 Case Removal
06:30 Dial & Hands Removal
08:37 Balance & Dial Side Disassembly
15:54 Rear Side Disassembly
25:18 Pre-Cleaning
26:13 Broken Pallet Exit Stone
26:57 Barrel Bridge & Main Plate Jewel Upgrades
29:31 Crown & Stem Repair
30:52 Case Disassembly
32:38 Jewel Cleaning & Lubrication
34:10 Balance Inspection
34:45 Barrel Lubrication & Assembly
36:36 Barrel & Wheel Train Installation
41:21 Chrono Parts Installation
52:38 Remaining Wheel Train Lubrication
53:07 Pallet Fork & Balance Installation
55:34 Chrono Running Inspection
56:32 First 24hr Timegrapher Readings - FAIL!
57:04 Low Amplitude Issues & Repair
59:40 Keyless & Motion Works Installation
01:05:35 Calendar Works Installation
01:09:42 Dial & Hands Install
01:13:27 Case & Final Assembly
01:22:40 Finished Watch
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Not only extremely interesting but also strangely hypnotic and relaxing to watch these videos-especially the longer more detailed ones. All the troubles in the outside world melt away. Unfortunately, my budget gets worn down from buying watches.
Wow, the blue pogue is just gorgeous, never seen these before!
Oops, I think I put the dial washer flat side down on the Citizen 8200 I mentioned the other day 🤦
I really love this channel. It's inspired me over the months to progress from sizing bands and replacing batteries to doing deep cleans and just starting to servicing movements.
Love the Seiko videos and if I can get confident enough one day I'll try and do a full service on one.
That's fantastic! Thanks a bunch.
This videos make me get one of those retro Seiko Chronos. Looked some old new Chronos from one other S named micro, they are really the very best second watch but these old 70s watches are just unbeatable. Hardly any substitute for this beauty.
I couldn't agree more.
what a fantastic watch and a great video - love to see this!!
Thanks so much. I appreciate it.
Hi Adam: I have a December 1975 Pogue (gold dial) that has been my everyday watch since June 1976 (yes, I am the original owner). I recently had it serviced for the 5th time, and it is running great. The last service was done by Dan Blair (Blair Watch Project, video was posted about 3 months ago), and he added 2 more jewels to the movement (I wrote you and you had Blair as one of the possible people who can service my Seiko). I have other Seiko watches, but they don't get any wrist time since I only wear the Pogue. You did a beautiful job on this Blue Pogue Adam. Look forward in seeing you do another Pogue.
That’s fantastic! Thanks so much.
Such a amazing watch..
I love seeing the works and commentary...
Thanks so much.
Well worth the wait. Photography and commentary were excellent. You once asked about display of screw fitting. Keep it in. Helps to understand the process. The 'tap' is now part of my process. Worked on the 2nd of 4 taps on my Seiko 6119a. Thank you
That's fantastic. So glad to hear it! Those 6119's are great movements.
I love this tear down so interesting thank you I love this watch, it's one of my goals to own one 😊
Thanks! I just picked one of these up and it needs to be refurbished. I'm anxiously awaiting its arrival
That’s great!
Good video. A few pointers: Your screwdriver was unlikely to be magnetized, because of the angle of the facets on the blade of the screwdriver, it will "catch" against the slot and lift it out. It's normal and happens.
On a chronograph, when you're testing the reset/return to zero function, check it when the chronograph seconds hand reaches 6 0'clock or 30 seconds. Why? Well because at that position the hand is traveling the greatest distance to return to "zero". When this test is performed the hand should perfectly land on the 12 indice.
Buy an escapement adjustment meter. That amplitude is okay but your should always strive for better work even if your results are acceptable.
Nice job on the service!
Thanks and I appreciate the comment. Regarding resetting the chronograph hand from the 6 o’clock position, I do that as well. Spencer Klein, who knows these as well as anybody around, talked at length about the reset positions on these movements. He spoke about resetting it closer to the 12 o’clock position. It puts less stress on the movement, but I’ve also found that if there is a problem, you’re more likely to find it when resetting closer to the 12 o’clock mark. If you reset it towards the six, there is a lot of energy transfer and a lot of momentum before it reaches 12 o’clock. If you reset it slightly off 12, if there is an issue generally I find that it pops up in that area because much less energy is involved. If there is an issue, it is likely to show itself and not be overtaken by the power of the hammer on the minute wheel and chronograph wheel hearts. I’m in no way an expert, but I tend to take Spencer’s advice on these types of matters. I appreciate your point of view on it, and think that it is valid.
We always strive for better work. Any results I get on any watch, I always want to make it a little bit better. There is a point of diminishing returns though. Regarding the escapement meter, I’d love to have one, but that’s just out of my price range for now.
Thanks for watching and leaving such a detailed comment.
Great job sir. As always, love these longer detailed videos!
I appreciate it sir!
That is a nice looking watch. Thanks for posting. I'd love to get one of those Seikos.
Thanks for watching!
I used to own one just like this one. Big, heavy and quite thick. I wonder if my younger brother still has it.
Definitely get in touch with him and see! They are great watches, and seem to be becoming more desirable these last few years.
Beautiful dial
Great job but could I request a favour? Please share the click that the machine makes when you put the spring in the arbour barrel. That’s one of the greatest, most satisfying sounds ever.
Haha, fair enough!
@@WeekendWatchRepair it’s a great sound, I love it. Sounds like, victory. ✌️
Looks fabulous to me. Great work, Adam ❤❤❤
Thanks Phillip!
even blue is my color id love to get a gold dail version.
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Nice looking blue dial Pogue. I service a lot of these movements. I find it easier to use a set of presto hand pullers to pull the chrono hand off these movements which pulls straight up using a thin sheet of plastic.. Some of these hands are quite stuck onto the Chrono pinion. That intermediate minute wheel gear with the recess on the one side was installed incorrectly by the prior watchmaker. Even though you made a note of how it was oriented, the recess should face up, not down as it serves as an oil sink. Not that big a deal and the watch will function fine the way you have it as the gear in these is not tapered. The overall condition of your watch looks very nice. By the way, Seiko used as many as three different rotating bezel designs each with a slightly different side profile and the one you produced with the teeth on the outer edge is a valid rotating ring, Some of the early early Pogues with A movements and notch cases did not come with a rotating ring spring. I cannot say for certain on the 6002s from 71 but it is not uncommon to find early Pogues from 69 and 70 with that inner rotating ring and no spring. The case and case backs are slightly different from the time Seiko used the A movements and when they transitioned to B movements which I believe was somethme in mid to late 71. A B movement will not work in an A case but an A moment will work in a later B case. There are also at least three different dial spacer rings with different tapers to them and these will not work with some later rotating rings. Also, some of the early Pogues used a thinner crystal gasket retaining ring. You get the wrong later thicker crystal gasket retaining ring on an early or Notch Case Pogue and you will not be able to snap down the outer bezel over the crystal. Ask me how I know. Great video and thanks for sharing your channel with us. John S
That’s great info. Thanks John!
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That Seiko 6139A is from the last made(June 1971 is start of all B movements run).
Judging the shape of the center chronograph wheel finger it seems its a later p#888610 revision and that explains the different shade of red second chronograph hand🙂
Wow, thank you! I didn't know when the specific cut off was between the A and B series movements. I really appreciate the information. It makes me feel a bit better about it knowing that the second chronograph hand is likely original. I appreciate it very much!
@@WeekendWatchRepair By the way, the HP-1300 wasn't a good choice for the framework and other oil lubrication points😬. If you don't have Seiko S-4 grease, you can substitute it with Möbius 9501 or 9504 and Möbius 9010 for the ball-bearing🙂
@MsAppleseed Thank you.
Great video, you deserve way more subscribers 🙂. How did you reduce the end shake on the main barrel? Thanks
Thanks so much. My channel is only a few months old. I don't really know how fast or slow a subscriber base normally grows, but I'm very pleased with what this channel has done thus far. Hopefully it will reach more people as time goes on and the subscribers will come. Regarding the end shake fix, I seated the main plate and barrel bridge arbor jewels a bit deeper.
@@WeekendWatchRepair I hope 🙂. Thanks for the answer, what if we don't have a jewels on the main plate and barrel bridge?
@@BokiPetrovic88 If it is in factory original condition (speaking about these Seiko 61 series movements as shown in the video), you'll see more side shake than end shake issues. If it is an end shake problem, the barrel bridge will have a bushing and you can adjust it's seating depth accordingly. Just make sure that the main plate isn't worn too much, otherwise a jewel upgrade would be the required repair.
@@WeekendWatchRepair thanks 👍
What tool do you use to get the case back off? I just got my first 6139 project and I need to get an idea of how to get it going again.
If the case back isn't too terribly tight, I'll use the Bergeon ball opener: www.amazon.com/Bergeon-8008-Rubber-Close-Backs/dp/B07N44WVL2 If the case back is really tight, I'll use a proper tool. Something like this: www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Opener-Oyster-Closer-Suitable/dp/B01MS3CHP3/ref=sr_1_50?crid=2XSQ1IUN6PJ7P&keywords=watch+case+opener+tool&qid=1688695427&sprefix=watch+case+opener+tool%2Caps%2C103&sr=8-50
Content is great, but advertisements are too frequent (and some of them, crazy long!). 😢😢 Could you do anything about it?? Cheers
Nice work!! And it turned out great!! When you going to set up Patreon?
Thanks so much. I very pleased that you liked the video. Regarding your question, I'm unsure about setting up an Patreon for the channel at this time. Originally, I created the UA-cam channel purely for the enjoyment of working on watches and providing entertaining and helpful, high-quality content. Earning revenue from the channel or any other sources as a result from my watchmaking hobby was not a thought in my mind.
Although it's not an inexpensive endeavor (to say the least!), I continue to pursue this as a hobby in my off-time. I'm concerned that setting up a Patreon may not allow me to consistently provide new content that justifies the support from subscribers who contribute a small amount each month. I believe creators with Patreon accounts should offer good value to their supporters. Initially, and even now to some extent, I didn't feel my content was deserving of such support. Additionally, Patreon members expect regular uploads, and rightly so. This may be challenging for me since this isn't my full-time job. My work requires a few trips each year where I'm away from home for extended periods. If I decide to set up a Patreon, I'd want to ensure I can deliver value to my supporters. It might be worth considering alternative options, like non-recurring charges or supporting Patreon on a per-video basis. This may be an option within their system right now, but I haven't explored these possibilities yet due to the reasons mentioned above.
@@WeekendWatchRepair Adam, let the folks make the choice. Good content is worth waiting for and if $3 a month + will help you get the items to work on and tools to do it with it would be worth it. Just a thought. because I do get your concerns and the feeling of "have to " would possibly take the joy out of it. Either way...Thanks for sharing. 🙂
@@mosierbuild Thanks for the reply. You make a very good point. I'll start reading up on it this week and see what options there are. The part for the next watch finally arrived and I'm currently working on the rebuild. I stopped briefly to get a sandwich and check some emails and saw your reply, haha!
@@WeekendWatchRepair I will be looking for the Patreon link!!
@@mosierbuild I couldn't get your comment out of my mind! You were absolutely right when you said "let the folks make the choice". I needed a break from the bench so I'm creating a Patreon account right now and trying to read up on how it all works. Once I get it all set up I'll either post something to the community page, or create a quick video for people. I want to make sure that people understand that my content will always be free to access for everyone, and that Patreon will be a way that folks who enjoy the videos and want to support the channel may do so. Every single penny brought in through Patreon will be dedicated towards the channel, either through new project watches, tools, camera or audio equipment, etc. I think it may work out well. I spent a little money last night on eBay on a watch that I thought was really cool and unique, and I hope will make an interesting video in the future. Patreon supporter funds would be a great way to fund that side of the channel.
I thought that one neat thing I could do is to reveal the 'mystery watch' for people that want to join Patreon. I'll create a video showing what it is and what I've been working on and will have that on there for people if they want to sign up. I'm still reading through how it all works, so it might take a bit of time, but I'll get it set up. Again I appreciate you brining it up, and giving me an entirely new perspective on the matter.
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Thanks a bunch.