Interview - Danielle Chamberlin - Abused as a 12 year old on the Flagship Apollo.
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2023
- Mark Fisher and Janis Gillham Grady are joined by their guest Danielle Chamberlin from the UK.
Danielle tells her story of being sent alone to the Sea Organization ship Apollo- as a 12 year old with no parent or guardian. She suffered both physical and mental abuse at the hands of L. Ron Hubbard and others on the ship. Danielle wasn't a Messenger for Hubbard but instead worked in the ships galley and other areas doing manual labor without any adult looking after her.
Assigned to the Rehabilitation Project Force as a child and then later locked in the dark, dirty, dangerous chain locker for days as a punishment. She finally left the ship and went back to England.
You will hear about L. Ron Hubbard's days in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) where he was eventually thrown out of the country by the government.
You will also hear about Danielle's life after leaving the Apollo and working in Scientology for several years before finally leaving.
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I did the forward chain locker Solo at age 15 for 48 hours in 1975. Barbaric, and it’s still in my mind.
@@daniellechamberlin198 They wrapped up a bit quickly so didn't mention, I caught that you left the Sea Org in 1982 but which year did you leave Scientology entirely?
Also I was trying to figure out how long exactly you were on the RPF on the Apollo based on events you mentioned while on it:
- 20 June 1974 Total Solar Eclipse southern hemisphere from Madigascar to New Zealand
- October 1974 "rock concert" Maderia Portugal locals threw stones at the ship
- RPF's RPF, locked in the forward chain locker for 3 days with Lisa
So I should just ask directly, how long were you on the RPF/RPF's RPF on the Apollo, then how long again (and what year) at Stonelands?
I’m so sorry Michael. It is so dreadful, and I am so sorry it happened to you too. 😢
The stories of stonlands bring back a lot of memories, I remember the fire, RPF being berthed in the “boat house” and eating beans & rice. I run amok as a kid, my mum used to always cook Christmas dinner for all the people that lived there. I was there same time as Danielle, I used to mow the lawn driving the small tractor starting at 6 yrs old.
Incredible interview. The things that Danielle offers viewers is a painful truth. 12 years old and sent to live on a ship away from the guidance of a caring parent. Total control, authoritarian control in a setting of unsupervised 12 year old girls that have been deemed adults from birth, just in little bodies. That sounds like making them "autonomous" at birth means you make them responsible for their actions and decisions in that justice system. Then the folks that are abused are gaslit and abused for saying anything. Crud, I'll double my donation the the Aftermath foundation. Just bought an SP hoodie to wear to work. Keep up the great work.
But that was the other problem. A parent that wasn’t caring. @skipper_geriatric_chihuahua
Heart breaking stories, I am so sorry you had to endure such inhumane treatment. Again, I am struck by your kindness, and compassion that somehow managed to survive. What a beautiful gift your light is in the world. I am grateful for the example of your courage.
Mark and Janis- well done as always, thank you. It’s a talent to discuss and interview the way you do. Looking forward to hearing more from Danielle. ❤❤❤ 💪💪💪
Just want to give the young broken girl you where a big hug, it breaks my heart to hear your story.
Oh bless your heart, thank you so much, that means a lot.
Danielle is a hero for shredding all those knowledge reports. But what heartbreaking times for a little girl. So wrong on so many levels. Great guest and interview.
What a nightmare ! These criminals must be brought in front of judges and condemned for all their deeds . No proscriptions .
What horrific stories. Makes me want to cry. How could anyone do that to their own children. Then again it sounds like her mother was as trapped as she was.
Awesome interview, as usual ❤❤❤
No matter how many times I hear these memories (& from SO MANY different people) they break my heart💔😔♥️
Can a class action suit be a solution to the child abuse? Nothing will change until DM is held accountable. It wouldn’t be easy. It would require gathering all the children/etc for a legal plan.
However What a wonderful guest today. I am horrified at the way you were treated. You are a lovely lady. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I was riveted. 💕
Thanks Louise. In Danielle's case the statue of limitations would be expired and also it happened in a foreign country and at sea. As far as child abuse in the US, I am not an attorney so I don't have any idea if this could be done. Thank you for watching and for your concern and great comments!
Louise that’s such a lovely thing to say. Thank you for that 🤗
@MarkFisherandJanisGillhamGrady
Thanks so much for interviewing Danielle, you all did a great job! Much Love to you! The Commodores Messengers have a unique position in the history of COS abuse, and sexual abuse of children. What with it's history, and the similar history of neglect and abuse in the Cadet Org, how can anyone support Scientology? What a criminal organization! 😖😡
Thank you for sharing your story so eloquently Danielle, no child should ever have to go through what you did. So happy for you that you got out young enough to enjoy some life! Have you ever thought of writing a book, I could listen to you talk all day. Hopefully you give more interviews relaying more of your story as I felt you had much more to say!
Thank you so much!
Thank you so much Nicki. That’s very kind. I’ve been told for years that I ought to write a book. Maybe I will … 😊
wow Guys this is such powerfull testimony.
Thank you for watching!
Dani is a phenomenon. Seriously, Powerful woman.
Bless you saying that. It means a lot 🤗
Thanks!This is a little token of my appreciation for your work. Hard work by talented, intelligent collaborative professionals can get things done. (That's you all)!
Oh what a nice surprise! Thank you so much. We appreciate the support and we are happy you are enjoying the videos.
Thanks so much for sharing. Great interview.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for sharing these important stories.
Thanks for listening
Hello from Milwaukie Oregon! I love your channel! Thanks so much for all your hard work! I wish all of you the best!
Thank you so much!
Danielle you are truly a delight to listen to; I am sorry you had to endure such a horrific childhood aboard that nasty ship and the way you were treated; it breaks my heart! And, the way they treated your mother after her stroke was hard to listen to. I am happy you got out when you did and then met up with your now husband. I am sure if you wrote a book, it would be very cathartic for you. I hope you come back to share more of your story. Thank you.
Thank you Marianne that’s so very kind and understanding of you. It means a lot ❤️
this is one of the most harrowing stories i've heard yet. how scientology kept growing while this torture of children went on and on just never fails to shock me. miscavige is horrific but it's obvious, hubbard was no better. scientology has always been about destroying families and indoctrinating people.
GREAT video!!!!!
The abuse of Scientology is woven in the threads of scientology when it was made. The threads are tainted with the tears of beautiful people who deserve to be validated. This church design is made to abuse children and probably women and gay people as well. Free thinkers probably get a bad shake also. Oh, Janis, that is abuse and neglect. This makes me sad and angry and I'll give more to the Aftermath FOundation.
Excellent points. We agree with you!
Thanks for sharing, Danielle. Your story is important for others to hear and I'm sure it couldn't have been easy to tell. What happened to you was horrible and unfair and was certainly not your fault! I'm so glad that you and Neville found each other again.
Thank you Denise that is so very kind of you❤
@@daniellechamberlin4873 ❤🤗
Also it's important to learn that DM degrades people verbally and the upper operation is always a secret from ethics and upwards to RTC/OSA "anything that creates fear is bad"!
Sending warm hugs to you Danielle. Sorry to hear that you had this happen you 😢
Thank you so much 😊
You two have the best guests on your channel! I am always so impressed with your interviews and insights. Always look forward to your downloads and lives.
Wow the picture of Daniella's parents is so great. Such a sweet and happy looking couple to bad Scientology got their hooks in
Thank you 🤗
great intv. Thanks
Glad you like it!
With each person's story, my heart breaks 💔 😢 and hardens my resolve to help shut this cult/business down! Loving your channel ❤️! This is all just so very wrong. I had a great childhood and I am just so sorry this was able to happen.
Thank you!
My favorite shirt so far. Great job guys.
Glad you like it!
Wow thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching
I always love the "Rock Slam the like button." This is on so many levels a joke, insider joke. In the know people know that L. Ron Hubbard's own "case folders" have endless "Rock Slam" notations in them, which way long ago were considered signposts positive, signs of one's deeper "case" that one was correctly targetting and sleuthing towards. Then later, this signpost "Rock Slam" came to mean the worst reflection of oneself, supposedly meaning one has "evil purposes" of significance which required posthaste eradication with Hubbard's later developed pseudo-therapy techniques for getting rid of one's "evil purposes." Well, the joke on Hubbard of his own "case folder" Rock Slams he racked up himself, this meant that all of Hubbard's earlier "Rock Slams" had to be either reinterpreted, as Mary Sue came to the rescue she graciously reinterpreted Hubbard's very own "Rock Slams" as mere "Dirty Needles", and not "Rock Slams" (indicators of Hubbard's own "evil purposes"). This to me is one of the continuing examples of the crackpot founder of a crackpot subject changing the goal posts during the evolution of their crackpot subject.
Later generations of Scientologists whomever displayed "Rock Slams" of course then could not automatically escape the "evil purpose" interpretation on themselves, but had to have a sorting out bit of pseudo-therapy to determine if the "Rock Slam" reactions they'd caused were real or were in fact "Dirty Needles." While one waited around for that specific Hubbard bit of pseudo-therapy to verify one's "Rock Slams" were valid pointers that one had "evil purposes" or not, one was under suspicion.
This is truly one of the nastiest aspects of Scientology. One was pretty much considered suspect and all one's questionable behavior was interpreted as rooted in the past lives "evil purposes" one secretly and unknowingly harbored within one's "own case" in one's soul mind.
Scientology's rather Hubbard's "case" views of all persons on earth, aren't simply clearly explained. But "Rock Slam" labeling of a person meant keep those people away from the main cult action until they got the Hubbard pseudo-therapy to remedy their "Rock Slam" indicators.
But "Rock Slam" is the perfect "hoisted by one's own Petard" messed up Hubbard tripping over his own quackery. Hubbard's modern full official Scientology has this high potential to cause followers and staffs the well exposed Sophie's Choices and Catch 22s Scientology.
(Exception, join the tinier and splinter freezone Scientology groups about in the world, or "Ron's Org" alternative Scientology groups in EU, because those friendlier Scientology splinter groups out there just drop most of the Hubbard worst Sophie's Choices/Catch 22s).
"Rock Slam" away, thumbing one's nose at the Hubbard world of crackpottery.
Chuck Beatty
ex Flag Course Sup (1977 to 1981, 1982, 1983, then I supped other years later, I took it completely seriously, but it's crackpottery to me now.)
Thanks Chuck. We are making fun of it for sure. If you like, we have a Rockslammer T-shirt available on our Merch site! LOL
Good interview but so sad. Such an evil cult. How can any parent just send their children away to that monster and the cult. I am glad you got away.
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Love to you Danielle, I think you got a wonderful man in the end😊what happened was not your fault and you should keep telling your story.❤ ps: Mark, fourthwall ships from warehouses to all sorts of countries so ask Marc or AARon if your unsure how to set that up👍🏻😉
Thank you BuffyLynn much appreciated ❤️
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Thanks for sharing your story Danielle! It How did you know that Hubbard ordered you to be locked up in the chain locker? Would he issue written orders about that? Would anyone have records of those orders still?
About you or anyone else?
Danielle and Serge should get together.
QUESTION: Danielle, what year was it your father was found out about being a plant?
I would think around 1971.
I'm dying to know the Bruce Welsh story
His story is in Mike Rinder's book. It is also in one of our earlier videos, but I can't recall which one just now. He was locked up in the chain locker on the Apollo and Mike Rinder had to watch him as one of his first duties on the ship as a teenager. Welsh had gone crazy and Hubbard was using him in order to develop a rundown for handling psychotic people called the Interiorization Rundown. Of course is doesn't work.
The story is also in my 2nd book. We will have to tell it in the coming weeks.
@@MarkFisherandJanisGillhamGrady b Le
Just to clarify Bruce was put on baby watch in the cabin whilst I was in the chain locker, and it was from the chain locker that I heard Bruce destroying the cabin and screaming etc.
Probably yellow from the lamp light. She’s about 3 hours from where I live then. I know about an hour drive from Glasgow to Edinburgh because of traffic. I’m just starting the video ❤
I thought it might be a lamp, but it was something to do with a loose cable or something. It sorted itself out in the end, and looked worse my end than showed on the video.
@@daniellechamberlin4873 glad it got sorted. 🙂 I was laying here listening on replay last night. I know the things everyone went through ran the gambit from adventure to being a horror story but it’s always interesting hearing someone else who was there at the same time. It fits in like puzzle pieces to give a whole picture. Also you have a nice voice. It’s restful, I say the same to Mitch brisker lol. It’s like the tone and a way of speaking ❤️
@@gamerjaqi7873 thank you. That’s a lovely compliment 🤗
I have watched a number of Scientology based channels, and for the life of me, I cannot understand how grown adults with, presumably, a functioning and reasoning brain, can be taken in so completely by such utter codswallop! As with all cults, if you are born into it, or forced into it by your parents, it just seems like the natural order of things - but to ACTIVELY CHOOSE?!!
I had a close call with Mormonism when I was 11. My Dad had been persuaded to invite a Mormon missionary around to talk to the family. We all gathered in the living room and waited...and waited..and waited...h turned up 1 1/2 hours late, and my Dad was so angry he sent him off with a flea in his ear. But even as an 11 year old I'm sure I would have seen through the nonsense (it took me another 31 years to see through the Christianity cult).
Thanks very much. Danielle and Janis both were born into Scientology so like all Children they go along with what their parents are doing. I got involved at 14 because my father got involved. Scientology hooked people back in the 70s and earlier because there wasn't the information out there regarding their beliefs and what they were doing back then. No internet. Not much in the way of reporting. It was different times. You defintely don't see people getting involved as much any more. We appreciate your comments and for watching.
@@MarkFisherandJanisGillhamGrady thank you
Janis can you please show some pictures of your horses?
Yes - I have sent some photos to Mark to include in an upcoming interview. I have had her for 17 years.
Nickname for LRH:
"L. Runaway-from-the-law Hubbard"❗
Or L. Con Hubbard
L R H , charming in any Country he goes too. 🤣🤣
Talking about the Apollo. Does Janis remember the death or murder of Susan Meister aboard the ship in 1971 while docked in Morocco? She was found laying in her bunk, shot straight in the forehead with a pistol on her chest with the hands crossed over it. They called it a suicide! No way! Her Father flew to Morocco and Hubbard refused to talk to him! To me she was murdered and the whole thing was a cover up!
Yes Janis tells the story in her first book, which is available at our store and also talks about it in one of our L. Ron Hubbards Messenger Videos on our channel. I think it was the 1st or 2nd one.
How do I order the Koala Calm powder, please?
You can order from our Store on our UA-cam channel page. Click on the Store link and it will take you to our website and you can order it there. Thanks very much!
A stroke at 42. Geeze!
You have such informative interviews but you keep interrupting the person trying to explain , why not just you and Janis interview each other. It's rude to interupt people the way you do. Please do not get me wrong I love the interviews regarding everything scientology I find it informative.
Thanks. We try not to interrupt, but there is a time delay on Streamyard sometimes, which makes it difficult to ask questions and speak. We try to compensate by putting our finger up to let the person speaking that someone else wants to ask a question of add to the discussion but it doesn't always happen. I assure you we have no ill intentions towards our guests.
Has David Miscavige's wife been found yet? Its been a long time since I've seen anything on Scamology.
Thanks very much. No she has not been seen in public since 2008.
DM is holed up in Clearwater, Florida, probably at The Fort Harrison Complex or nearby facility and has had several court subpoenas served on him for the trafficking charges by a High Court Judge.