2 inch Titanium vs 50 Cals Baddest Rounds
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
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Sackin Metals hooked us up with two 1" Titanium plates that we bolted together. We shot 50 cals baddest rounds at it. We shot the SLAP, SLAP-T, Raufoss MK211, MK263 AP, and Israel's API.
We also shot all of these rounds out of a M2HB 50 Cal to get the max speed out of these rounds.
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What a beast of a gun! Paired with that Mk211 especially!
They are a beast for sure. I got to shoot a full auto a few time. Those are crazy fun👍
Iv shot those MK211s what makes them so strong is the RDX explosive inside of them ,but at 65 to 100 dollars a round depending on where you buy them , and contrary to popular belief they are not illegal to own but who can afford them
Them SLAP rounds are no joke either
@@cw1161 yes iv fired them , but not through a regular barrel , well once but i removed the brake , but most 50s need a brake especially semi autos
"If you guys try this at home."
Yes I too have two 1 inch Titanium Plates, a modified M2 Browning, .50 BMG API, and 2 bullet resistant panels.
yes we also have enough money to buy 2 machined 1 inch plates of high quality titanium, 180 dollars worth of 50 bmg and a 50 cal on hand lying around under our beds
Wait everyone doesn't have that sitting around???😮 it's like when they tell you not to try this at home when you go to the circus, yeah I'll make sure I'm not doing trapeze acts in my room🤣
Same
Ya I have the 50 BMG 750 GRAIN HORNADY rounds. Titanium LMAO can't afford that!
After recent events I’ll forever cringe when I see people shoot .50 SLAP rounds.
what happened?
An RN-50 had its threaded breech cap come off after firing an unknown number of SLAP rounds, seriously injuring the shooter. Because metal expands when heated, the threads would have to be machined loose enough to allow the breech cap to be removed by hand after firing for the loading procedure, indicating a flawed design
@@luislongoria6621 there’s a crimp on these slap rounds, there wasn’t on Scott’s. His were homemade by someone.
@@luislongoria6621 this is the only time a serbu rn50 has blown up. It was not a design flaw. That slap round Scott shot was about 160k psi, instead of a normal pressure round.
@@karolbomba6704 Kentucky ballistics had a slap round destroy his .50 caliber single shot gun explode and injure him during filming a video.
Two plates provide more stopping power because of iterative energy dissipation. Simply put, the energy it takes to penetrate the first layer is spread over an area much wider than the projectile and the point of impact on the second layer is much wider than the point of impact on the first layer. In a single layer of armor a punching shear profile develops with a smaller and more consistent area through the mass... ya, materials engineer. Sorry to nerd out on ya.
Thanks for the comment 👍👍
Pretty much the principle behind Whipple plating on spacecraft, the first layer absorbs the initial impact and spreads it out before it hits the second layer of plating which catches the much smaller and lighter peices.
Makes me wonder, if the second plate was "floating", i.e. loosened bolts to allow it to travel in the plane of the projectile, would it provide even better protection?
pretty sure the opposite is true. I have seen test done with steel and they found that 2 inches is better than 2 one inch plates but they did not say why. they found if there was a space between the 1 inch plates then the round would tumble after the first and hit the second sideways most times but together they were not as good as the 2 inch. again not sure why ....
I think quite the contrary. Penetrator has to move the material in front of it to the sides and front, when there is even a tiny bit of gap between plates, material can moved much easier - first the bulge on the back of the plate appears, then the penetrator goes through, moves the metal freely to the sides, then proceeds to do the same with the 2nd plate.
With 1 homogenous plate the metal is pushed into the metal, that has nowhere to go. Imagine your penetrator is 0,75 inch into the 2 inch plate. To create a bulge with the metal it pushes in front of it, it has to move 1,25" of titanium! That takes a lot more energy, so pretty much at this point, it pushes metal into metal. And only after it penetrates the whole plate, it can move some metal freely to the sides and front.
I am in disbelief how the Israeli round managed to bounce back after going that deep into titanium.
Also, how that round is in perfect condition is nuts.
If you saw this in movies you would be put off thinking thats just way too unrealistic
That's why is should be pointy. The shape of the missile has everything to do with the payload delivery.
Now we know. If perfectly shaped .50 cal rounds bounce off the chest of Superman. They are Israeli rounds.
Stronger than titanium?
@berkayxj8 TiAlV has a RHA equivalence of about 70%. ERA (and NERA and NxRA ) work by constantly shoving the flyer plates into the HEAT jet as they are bulging due to the explosion.
Calling bullshit on that round, it is not in the slightest deformed and if you know how energy transfer and bouncing work you do know, that if the round penetrated this far in, it sure as hell does not dig itself out and bounces back. All of this, mind you while being in perfect factory condition. If it did, you should be able to easily recreate the bounce and retrieve another one like that.
Wow this is totally unbelievable! Those slap rounds have changed artillery forever.
M2HB, chronograph, and all the exotic varieties of ammo. I don't think I could have asked for more in a 50 BMG penetration test.
Thanks for the comment, and your welcome 👍
Phantom camera
SLAP rounds are just stupid fast.. almost 3k vs almost 4k fps, speed beats armor
If it's well made with the right metal, too brittle and the round will just shatter
Yes iv shot them "SLAP" SABOTED LIGHT ARMOR PIERCING " rounds also, but In most 50 cal rifles its a good idea to first remove the muzzle brake, also if the sabot comes off while traveling down the barrel it can ruin the barrel because slap rounds can wobble down the barrel
See the crimp on the slap round? I sure noticed after what happened to Scott.
Scott shot a rifle which had design flaws …
@@daveh7186 No he didnt, He shot a round that was tampered with. Any .50 would have exploded with that round.
I wouldn’t say the M2 isn’t capable of a high level of accuracy. Carlos Hathcock took out a Vietcong soldier at 2,500 yards with one in 1967 with two rounds.
I was just checking the comments to see if anyone else was going to point this out too!
Was it with a SLAP? They are generally less accurate than the more conventional types of 50bmg (my guess it’s because the lack of a boat tail)
Yeah, out of a group of VC and he didn't hit the one he was aiming for. It's not exactly sub MOA, but for an MG that is a good thing. MGs aren't designed to be accurate as they are supposed to be suppressive/area denial which is easier without pinpoint accuracy.
@@grandadmiralthrawn8116 They are less accurate due to the sabot. The sub caliber projectile (or penetrator) isn't connected to the barrel rifling so they don't spin while in flight which makes them inherently inaccurate.
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Nope. SLAP rounds weren’t invented until the late 1980’s. They were first used in Desert Storm.
I'd strongly recommend getting something to cover his noggin and vitals. It could still come back through that crack. See if an armor company will sponsor you if nothing else guys.
Yes, please be safe!
@Yuck Foutube never heard that one before i always thought it was rocket science
Or just not shoot at steel straight on
@@thevalorousdong7675 with those rounds, they can come back at you even if the steel is at an angle. They make a cavity straight in and rebound back. Firsthand experience.
Eye protection isn't likely to slow down a bullet that penetrated 40mm of Titanium, is it ?
setting those 2 plates like that is literally creating a high velocity trampoline
2:58 run your playback speed at .5x and look how that ricochet bounces off the dirt 5 feet from his left....
Amazing video guys, please stay safe!
Holy crap thats some attention to detail
I swear, you are one attentive dude.
Ok I was actually right before that part, good timing or coincidence I guess. But even without .5x speed you can see the dirt it displaced
Shoot AR550 sometime! Love to see how SLAP holds up against it.
@@7150285 what was yours? On this channel? What came of it?
@@7150285 Noice
@@7150285 nice!
I’d like to see that under the same conditions as well
@Andy Geee Tungsten carbide plates would be cool, same material as the SLAP penetrator. 🙂👍
The kind of setup you've created there is actually quite interesting. You can find similar protection on spacecrafts where there is two layer protection. The first layer is designed to shatter/destabilize the projectile and the other one catches it. Those are solid layers with a specific gap between them though. Your setup has one more variable in the stretching bolts, giving just enough flexibility to slow down and stop/return the round. I think it would have been interesting to see the first two rounds re-tested with the c clamp setup. I believe this time they would have made it through just like the last two rounds, since the plates would now stay in place.
Two years later but indeed, on spacecraft it's called a "Whipple shield" or "Whipple armor" if you will. It was invented by Dr. Fred Whipple, an American astronomer. Just some added fun facts
Been busy but couldn’t wait to get back to the GB videos! Glad y’all are still here😉
Welcome back👍
When shooting the m2, try not sitting on your foot, and put both feet on the cross bar holding the T&E, so you don't have to bend over to get low enough to look through the sights. Also sandbags on the tripod helps alot.
2:29 for the ISS nasa made tests shooting titanium balls out of a compressed gas canon that reached mach 10 (to simulate space debris, pretty cool) and they use space grade aluminum for armor, they tried 2 things, 1 several inches thick block, and 2 really spaced out fraction of an inch layers, which like a feet separation, they found out the big block got a buge ass hole, because all of the energy was distributed in it, both huge entrance and exit hole, but for the other one, they saw a big defomation on the external layer a big ball, but a small one almost caliber sized hole on the second one, and realized it was better for protection purposes to use size and separation to spend the energy of the proyectile, rather than bigger plates, so they used the second type, and filled the separation with kevlar and some sort of self sealing fluid, so that in the worst case scenario, you have a small hole that went through the station, but it did so like butter and you've got a dutch boy with the dam situation, and not a tank round sized hole in the hull, and in practice, the extra density of the fluid spends the energy more than the solid so it stops it like regular kevlar would do with a small calibre round. hvit.jsc.nasa.gov/shield-development/ here's the link.
The ma deuce is not a spray and prey weapon. Carlos Hathcock in Vietnam achieved a 2500 yrd kill with his rifle scope mounted on one
Well, the question is, how many rounds did he fire at far-away targets, before he scored that hit? I'm not talking about this specific case, but overal. Machineguns can be fairly accurate, but still at over 1000 yards the dispersion will be pretty severe.
@@bezimienny_andzej6425 2 rounds
@@IllidanSturmgrimmDeusVult I didn't mean that particular encounter, but overal - and basically he fired 1 shot, the previous one he used to sight-in the weapon, so it shouldn't be counted, if I got it right. Anyway, you can fire at people at long range for 2 weeks and finally score a hit. Does it mean your weapon is super accurate?
We don't know how many times he fired long range and how many of these shots landed. We know that in that particular encounter he landed the 1st shot he fired, but that's it, I'm certain marksmanship was spot on, but it doesn't tell us much about the weapon.
@@bezimienny_andzej6425 he also hit a person other than the one he was aiming at
Immediately after the first shot, a ricochet was seen on the ground! Atomic video!
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Those slap rounds seem to slap the vinegar out of these obstacles (I'll show myself out)
Lol, roger that👍👍
Mr Anderson
Extremely underrated channel
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6:16 disliked for not showing the vehicle's damage.
Very interesting how the first two shots got sling shot back, if you look carefully you can see the back plate slapping back. The c-clamps helped transfer the energy to the back plate with little give between the plates. Very good ballistic test. Thanks PS get that guy a helmet with a shield.
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As an engineering student, I would say that maybe shooting through a solid piece would have to overcome shear movement in the center plane of the plate as the plate flexes while the bullet would overcome only the much more negligible surface contact between two plates. Also the plates are more likely to deflect a larger amount if there is two because of this lack of shear resistance and more deflection means more stress. These are just thoughts.
very good shooting, every shot hit the plate.
Man pitch your plates forward so the round is deflected down and not back at you.
We know. sO many people talked about the plate be at an angle it other videos so we thought we would put some of their theories to rest👍
That would definitely be my go to move as well. A fiddy coming back at atcha like that could take yer head clean off!
Going Ballistic definitely not a theory always want to angle ur iron if there’s a chance of the ricochet reaching u.
Going Ballistic but really cool video thanks for sharing.
Then it would not be a head on impact. A 1/4” could probably deflect a 50 and keep it from penetrating if angled.
Man I really like your channel because not only you're gun contact but also the fact that you constantly reply to new and old users on new and old videos and constant feedback to your fans you should have more subscribers and you answer some of my burning questions I've had about well a lot of stuff like I always wanted to see what happened if you put inches of titanium and without it moving against slap rounds I was thinking to myself will it go through will it not I couldn't know the answer cuz it's way too expensive for me to afford
Thanks so much. I try and read every comment and respond if I can.
Going through two plates is harder to do. It’s just like laminated boards.
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I figured that the regular slap round would perform the best, because tracer and incendiary rounds almost always don’t penetrate as well. I think projectile material is probably the biggest factor in achieving full penetration.
Dude shooting looks identical to Charlie Day
B!gG bwahahhahahahahahahahaha
@@jonmeray713 all they need is a Frank of guns and we'll be set
So anyways, he started BLASTING
Excellent. Thank you all.
Thanks for watching 👍
I don’t understand why Y’all don’t have more views and subscribers
I have been waiting so long for this video!!! I saw some SLAP rounds sell off on Gunbroker and was really hoping it was you guys. Thank you so much for making these awesome videos!
Your very welcome 👍
Whistlin diesel would not heed your warnings about safety
I don't believe that the last rounds went through the plates, if they had you could look through the open holes.
What I believe happened the rounds were captured in the plates and the titanium ahead of the projectiles was ejected by the energy of the projectile.
The 30mm depleted uranium rounds of the A 10 would actually melt a cone of a tanks armor and spray it inside the tank then the projectile would follow and bounce around.
I think you were creating a somewhat lower energy version of that effect.
Interesting video and good shooting.
Using a slap round is like using a 5.56 NATO green tip rather than a 7.62 Soviet FMJ. More speed,narrowe tip (harder material),less overall diameter All things for better for penetration
Man that is some bad bad metal and that 50 slap is some bad bad medicine excellent video fellas
Thanks 👍
I wonder if the other rounds would've went through both plates if they were clamped aswell
Maybe a 220 swift round if they even make it in a AP round , I have a 220 swift and it's definitely a barrel burner at over 4000 fps , im in the process of trying to neck a 220 case down to a 17 caliber , but I have to turn my own custom barrel, also I'd probably have to turn my own solid bullets as well , I wanna say I chronoed mine at 4670 fps
I just found your channel, it's awesome. Those SLAP rounds are insane.
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Furthermore some one in the chat room "ruskitytan" has already pointed out, when there is a gap between plates it allows material to bulge with out infringement, allowing the round to push material out of the way to move to the next plate to do the same. Where as when you have one solid plate the "bulge" has no where to expand and pushes into more material at the back making the metal denser and denser as the round tries to move further into the plate. ( simple experiment, get a few of your friends, say 4 of them. Line them up one standing behind the other person say one foot apart. Now walk up and push the very first person. I guarantee you he will fall back bumping into his friend who will fall back bumping into the guy behind him and so on till they are all on the floor. Now repeat the experiment but this time have each person place his hands firmly on the shoulders of the friend in front of him, with 3 guys that are behind the first friend having their hands extended and placed on the shoulders of the person in front of them. Now push your first friend and see what happens. They won't fall. People here also confusing glass armor that has layers thinking its done cause it makes the window stronger. But glass behaves different than metal and not applicable to this scenario. Glass is layered cause you have hard brittle material, then soft elastic plastic between layers to prevent glass from fracturing and the break traveling the whole length of the glass window.
Well naval armor back in the day always went for 1 solid plate instead of multiple plates put together. If the military chose the harder task of getting solid slabs of steel over the easy way of bolting or welding thinner plates I think that speaks for itself on if a solid or two separate pieces are stronger
Im so glad this popped up in my recommended. This was awesome! Love the Ma Deuce!
Thanks for watching 👍👍
I was thinking the same thing.. that it would be stronger because you're already moving molecules and pushing through material and then it's like hitting another fresh wall on the second plate. Same concept of bullet resistant glass with a bunch of layers glued/molded together.
I think you would have had better results if the plates were clamped together better. Better grade of bolts, more or larger bolts, and or something like the c clamp. You may have to worry about bolts flying back at you though if you have bolts that don’t stretch.
Would be interesting to see different materials mixed in.. Layers of Titanium with layers of maybe Kevlar or a gel between them
Good idea
Also, I love the vids, boys. Keep ‘um comin’
Two 1" plates are more effective than one 1" plate, but less effective than one 2" plate. In general, bolted/laminated is less effective than homogeneous for the same total thickness. It's something that the builders of warships learned during the age of steam and steel, as Drachinifel explains in detail in his videos on ship armor plate.
Lol that's what hit whistlindiesel in the forehead lmao
When they showed that "3980"...holy shit! Regular slap moves out!
To take down Tony Stark use Slap Rounds...
Suggestion: tilt the plate 30° to emulate the t-34 slope
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My goodness what beautiful technology a lot of power .
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@@GoingBallistic God bless you .
Same to you 🙏
I just freakin love this series... the amount of money y’all have gone thru with both the rounds and the targets... I hope someday I am able to do something like it... tho... not a copy, just “inspired by”. 🤘🏻😎👍🏻
Man you ain’t kidding. We have spent far more then we’ve made. Lol. Some day it will pay off
Great video again guys.
Thanks 👍
Those SLAP rounds have impressive velocity, no wonder they penetrate so well!
Also real good at detonating an rn-50
You guys should try shooting a pentagon shape with 5 rounds and try and punch the center of the pentagon out
Now that’s a lot of damage!!
I was waiting for this video thank you for amazing content
Your welcome 👍
A tungsten round or a DU round coated with tungsten can go through any form of comparative armour
True but the Depleted uranium round is a restricted material round and Civilians can't get them , I know they are manufactured for the A10 s cannon and the Abrams battle tank Dart. Iv never seen them in 50 BMG rounds , iv always wondered why the United States military has never developed a bullet along the same principles of the RPG round with its hot jet of mold copper that burns through most other battle tanks even with reactive armor, i mean the mk 211 round is a good round but it can definitely be improved ,
I would say with 2 its stronger because it's hitting the second one before it actually makes it out of the first one sometimes causing it to not make it all the way through the first one even though it would have went through the one if it was just sitting there.
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The worse damage I seen in this video was how the shooter was sitting on his foot. It doesn’t hurt now because he is young. Stop now and when you are 40 you won’t have to have knee replacement. Ask me how I know.
How do you know Max? Genuinely interested. Personal knee replacement or do you work in Orthopedics?
Definitely not an authorized firing position
Yeah, you'd think they got an M2, they would know to bring a cinder block or sandbag to sit on.
What's really weird is he had to lean forward while sitting on his foot so really he should have just sat in the dirt and had a more comfortable position.
You should reshoot the first 3. Looks like the barrel needed to get warmed up with the plates clamped like with the SLAPT and SLAP.
We just bought a bunch of belted .50cal which ended up being not as good of a deal cause every 7th round or something is a tracer which we can’t use in our indoor range at work. But least we can sell them separately.
Believe me they will sell.
As far as I know, the optimal ballistic number is 50 - 55 calibers, gives the maximum speed at the exit of the barrel and the maximum flatness of the trajectory ... ~28 " for .50
Didn’t know SLAP rounds are more powerful than Raufoss rounds 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video as usual guys
Glad you enjoyed it
@@GoingBallistic keep them coming
If spaced armor was weaker, they wouldn't use it on tanks. 😉
Can I get a "checkmate"?
Good point, though that is mainly for spalling from shaped charges.
I can't figure why you would think that 50cal would get anywhere near 4000fps.???
The Ma Duce would let them fly around 2900fps...
The last slap got pretty close.... those pressures are a bit over recommended range ???? Haha 😄 🤣!! OK NOW on to thicker material....haha 😄
At exactly 4:37 just behind his head I think you can see the bullet. It flashes up for a single frame. Could be something else but kinda crazy if it is.
Yeah eye protection will definitely help against 50 cal ricochet.....what?
something for the future, i think it would be nice for a close up of the rounds you shot, just saying the name is great but it would be cool to see what the rounds look like
Yeah, I look a couple up because I've never seen them. Great vid
Each plate has a surface scale that is tougher than the core. To go through both plate you have 4 surfaces.
WOW! nearly 4000 fps from the slap rounds! how much over pressure are those things! and no wonder Scott (Kentucky Ballistics) was nearly killed from shooting them. IMO, I would knock those slap rounds apart, and reuse the components. those things will take someone's life if they keep getting shot.
Toafladermouse already proofed clapping stuff down not going to change nothing 😂
great!
Metallic plates should always hang on a chain or angle slightly down for safety reasons
I find it funny the guy that's explaining what happened to the Target he's always giving thumbs up and finger guns that makes me laugh. 👍👆👍👆👍👆👍👆👍😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was starting to think to myself up until the last, that if only they were travelling at the 4000fps, they All might have gone through!
I don't know what the armour thickness is on a BMP or BTR but it certainly correspond to 2 inches of titanium. British Boxer vehicles are going to be fitted with a 50 call in a remote turrent, so they should be able to damage any of the Russian IFVs. It was interesting that their was no penetration when the bolts stretched between the plates, would this be able to be created on IFV armour to prevent penetration from Russian 14.5 mm bullets.
All penetration tests ive seen, its easier to go through two plates next to each other, there isnt a "plug" thats not how it works at all. The only instance it would harder to penetrate would be if there was sufficient space between the plates so the projectile can tumble and hit the secondary plate sideways, which is why if you pictures of german tank in ww2, they often have those thin sheets of steel on them, it wasnt intended for HEAT munitions. If those thin sheets were contacting the main armor, those light at guns (the 14.5mm ones specifically like the ptrd and ptrs) would go right through them without much issue
Uh by the time he fired and ducked that round has been sent hit and coming well before you do anything at 75 yards just saying
Great videos but you guys have gotta be more careful. I have a hole in my arm (stitched up and healed since) from shooting steel with a 30-06.
So I can shoot through two brackets 2 in of titanium and then slam into the plexiglass behind it
Definitely harder to penetrate 2 bolted because the vibration eats up velocity
Tip. When bolting target plates together. You should try schedule 8 bolts. They won’t stretch nearly as much, if any.
SLAP-T is absolute monster, awesome video, M2 is really beast, this is dream weapon to have, what price on this M2HB?
Thanks for the comment. That set up is about 12 grand
Epic. You guys should brace those shield panels a little better to protect the shooter
Angle that steel a little to minimize dangerous ricochets
After 53 years as an Aerospace Tool and Die Maker IMHO, the two one inch plates would be much stronger than a single two inch plate. The reason being each of the one inch plates has a super hard "Skin" of condensed Titanium on each side of EACH plate, meaning the round must puncture this skin 4 times instead of puncturing this skin twice on the 2" plate. After machining tons of Titanium during my career, once you cut through the "Skin" this inner virgin material machines more like Aluminum than Nickel Based Alloys like Inconel. As always, I love your content and we will see if the 50 Cal. is up to the task at hand! Earl Harrell
Thanks for the info
One thicker plate is stronger than 2 plates put together. Don't know the engineer you talk to but they are incorrect. That was figured out in the 1800s while trying to figure out what was best for battleships.
Thanks for the info.
fps is an ok measurement to use but I think you want to measure the joules instead.
oh shit.i see a slap round.....good luck pal,count fingers and toes before and after fireing,and get your will in order.
I would show the bullets up close more and tell what's different from a normal round. Great content just delivery is bland and it's like you're just talking to us and showing a big bang.
Two plates is stronger because - The molecules in one thick 2 inch plate would all be affected and start to move as the bullet impacts as they are all kind of joined - whereas 2 plates bolted together the 2nd plates molecules remain mainly unstretched until the bullet actually hits the second plate.
That is my estimate why.
Its not. Shockwave reflections and no support ( and support as in its one piece of material) for the backface zone means that little bit actually has lower resistance. The same thing happens near the edges of armor plates.
i‘seen some videos of this channel and i love them. The only problem is that u speak very much and kinda slow so it takes like ages between the shots. Again i love ur videos and do not change anything if it’s only me with this problem cause then it is mine not urs😂.
Hey thanks for being honest, and not a A-hole about it.
Any gap would slow down any round . Put a vacuum space of even a 1/4 inch and it would be a total win for not killing the target !A vacuum sucks !
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I think a sold plate is stronger. One solid piece metal is denser... like a plate of tungsten or multiple plates of tungsten will shatter when hit; if it’s a solid 4” cube a 50bmg will only make a .5” crater.
Awesome video. A bit of constructive criticism / feedback: Please include more details in the video / description, such as bullet stats (load, weight, type of core (thungsten, steel), the muzzle velocity (one was out of frame). That would be awesome :)