That Really Weird James Gunn Saw Themed Reality Show
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2023
- In 2008, ten women were gathered in a rented mansion under the direction of horror filmmaker James Gunn to determine who among them was the strongest actor and should be crowned as the next Scream Queen. Their prize? To have a starring role in the then upcoming Saw 6. This is the story of the strangest casting process in horror movie history.
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Hey everyone, hope you're doing well! Still working on that video about that game and a new franchise video, but based on my schedule it made more sense to get this one done sooner rather than later. Really hope you enjoyed it, and I'll see you again soon, thanks!
You are by far my favorite UA-cam channel! Thanks man.
Thank you 😘for bringing back my memories of this time period! 🤗What a nostalgic experience😏
Great video... I just don't understand why you'd compare real women, with men in drag though. I get the creative comparison... But women have very different body parts, with very different things to hide. Even a females bare hip & upper thigh showing has a different feel between whether men or women are showing it
I just don't understand what sexualizing women on purpose and men whose entire act is overacting as women and over sexualizing female on purpose has to do with each other besides the fact that RuPaul doesn't touch or hang around with the contestants.
@@satisfied656 Why would you be nostalgic for this kind of extreme dehumanization, abuse, and cruelty?
@@Em22-wtf The comparison was with respect to elimination-style reality shows that are horror themed and put their contestants through unpleasant experiences. The difference being illustrated had do with consent and the overall aims and goals of the production. Did the entirety of that go over your head? Maybe stop thinking about genitals for the moment, they're irrelevant to the point.
That Eli Roth quote is some of the most insane shit I've ever seen.
Eli Roth is full of those
It was truly awful
please quote or timestamp!! :-) thnk you
@@emmaribena5529 19:50
@@Pandor18 thank you!
You have shown a lot of strange, bizarre, and to some degree disturbing things, all of which I sat through with no problem. For some reason this is the first thing you've done where I had to take a break watching. The 2000s reality shows are a different level of exploitative and cruel.
I was in college during that phase of reality TV. This video really nails how incredibly exploitative and cruel that time period was for our entertainment culture-both as creatives and consumers. I had forgotten!
Thank goodness for MeToo. I know it’s not a perfect system and may never be, but knowing that there is more awareness and higher oversight standards on today’s productions.. Knowing that what I chose to watch and enjoy wasn’t made at the risk, harm, or embarrassment of others, warms my movie-loving heart!❤️🩹
I "love" how James Gunn gets canceled for some dumb joke but he was a Major contribution on a show where they just abuse women and that's the only word abuse. despicable
Right? I had never heard of this and thought Slither was pretty good and enjoyed his brother in stuff. Now i wanna take a shower whenever either of them appeared on screen.
Because outrage is usually performative. His participation in this show is FAR worse than any of his edgelord tweets.
He said that he received and 'enjoyed' CP from a guy who was later found to be a pedo with a large CP stash.
The cancellation was spun as a right wing hissy fit over jokes because the media looks after their own, especially when they're into the same perversions.
Exactly! And at the same time, America is a place where you can try to take down a president for a dumb s3x scandal, but not for lying, warmongering, allowing torture, having a kill list, etc...
That's because the tweets (of which there were like hundreds of messed up jokes) were pushed into public discourse by a far-right blogger complaining about double standards on speech or some trash like that.
Disney then did the obvious thing and just told him there'd be a little social exile of a year until he came back and everyone forgot or simply didn't care because no one cared much before as the tweets were an open secret.
That doesn't get Gun off the hook for that or this - but there were two entirely different set of politics at work and put simply, conservatives do not care about women's dignity or rights or equality except for the use of impolite terms that might upset their little patriarchal illusion.
As a black woman,you are not reading too much into the change in intonation. People do this to black people,especially women ALL THE TIME
Yeah that was spot on
People do it to every race. The victim mentality needs to end
@@sjalusi1It's not weird to you that people change their behavior for different races in ways that are weird and uncomfortable?
@@sjalusi1 what ethnicity are you babe?
I’m so sorry. That’s horrible and disgusting. I see it too, even in professional settings. It’s ignorant and it’s vile.
The moment where Gunn tells the actress he has had film sets shut down for actresses suddenly changing their minds is really upsetting because there are two possibilities.
1. He is telling the truth which suggests he is piss poor at filming intimate scenes and pushes the limits of the riders so much professional actresses get upset and ask to revisit it 2. He is lying to manipulate her for the show. This strikes me as more likely.
Both are absolutely despicable.
Thank you so much for this. The 00s are my least favorite decade of horror for these exact reasons and it means a lot to have someone examine it like this. That Eli Roth quote is nothing short of horrifying.
It gave us the rise of Korean horror, so there's that.
Tanedra Howard has 11k instagram followers and seems to still be acting in commercials. This lady deserves all the good things!
She even commented here on this video in reply to someone
@@nicoledoubleyou Not me scrolling through every comment now just to find it. 😂
You've been my favorite creator for the longest time but I've struggled with finding the words to explain why. The esoteric topics you cover and the cadence you bring to your scripts are a huge factor. Love your writing and focus on disadvantaged people in the media that you cover/review, it's a breath of fresh air.
You should watch Mouthy Buddha. I feel this is the same guy but under a different name. Same voice and cadence.
Tanedra is so talented, they gave her nothing and she made something out of it. They did all the women in this show so dirty, what an awful time in reality TV history.
Aweee!! Thanks so much! I appreciate that!❤
@@ForeverTanedraTV hey Tanedra, you think you will ever do a retrospective video on your experience on the show?
@@jbarb9987 You know what, I never thought about that. Thats a good idea. I just may!!
@@ForeverTanedraTVsis loved you in Saw , hope you're well
@@Ike_of_pyke AWE! Thank you so much! That means so much!
That freeze frame of Tanedra falling head down toward the ground is absolutely terrifying
I think this show was really more on par with America's Next Top Model in terms of how exploitative and misogynistic it was to the contestants, and how it really only served to fuel the ego of the show's hosts. I think in a lot of ways, ANTM was kind of a combination of Scream Queens and Drag Race. But despite what anyone else might say about Drag Race (and how problematic RuPaul might be irl), the show sincerely changed the way a lot of people saw the LGBT community, it allowed people to see the real people and real issues the contestants faced, all with humor, talent, and real creativity. And it's deeply upsetting and unfortunate that of the three shows, there's such a backlash by political groups who choose to view all the positive qualities of Drag Race in a negative light to mask their own insecurities and as a scapegoat for their own issues.
Well, i'd really like to see Gunn crawling in a tent full of thousands of roaches
Lol get over it
Dressed in a rope.
I can't believe how vile the misogyny is in that show. Even if this is particularly strong for the 2000's it shows that we aren't far at all from the days of this type of extreme exploitation and attitudes towards woman.
People alive today had parents and grandparents who opposed the American civil rights movement
@@Gloomdrake there will be people like that in the USA until the nation crumbles. That's an artifact of importing slaves.
@@Gloomdrake We have the same for the younger generation wanting to reverse the things the civil rights movement did. We really haven't changed that much
@@Gloomdrake and now millennials and generation z have boiled everybody back down to race again. Good job
@@fakeshemp9599 🦜
Well, I THOUGHT I liked James Gunn. Turns out I just didn't know him.
I thought James Gunn was just an edgelord on twitter but had no idea he was an actual manipulative creep in the 2000s 😠
What's doubly sad is that scream queens was only 15 years ago, and James Gunn is 56 in 2023. You'd think these people that are over 40 would behave more maturely. At least have respect for others around them.
Not everyone grows up or it happens late.
@@lainiwakura1776 or they did and it's not much better
Nope! I’m 39 and people like this stay this way until they die
They treated those women like dirt but Tanedra gave it her all in that saw scene. She deserved better.
I commented before but speaking on your golden rule, a great show of that was in “starship troopers” the cast was unsure of doing the communal shower scene fully nude, so the director went with them and directed nude too. And the best part is it isn’t even a sexualized scene either. What a champ.
I LOVE that you used Ru Paul’s Drag Race as a comparison. Certain family members of mine seem to think that show is somehow pornographic or inappropriate for society, yet shows and movies like this are extremely exploitative! Truly, it’s powerful to use that as comparison and I’m sure you know that - but I had to point it out!
Ru Paul has and always will be an absolute professional, and stand up human being.
Thank you o was trying to figure it out. They talk about explicit and sexual topics but due to WAY it is filmed it still feels… very safe and sterile. Calculated . I mean my mother had drag queen friends when I was a child so when I saw this show I knew this was a professional and a professional feeling setting. Trust Ru brought out the Lysol 😂 that filming looks like hard as work and probably is also problematic in its own way but based on some of the work opportunities for drag performers in Florida it may be more lucrative and safer 😅
@@cycotyk189 yes
It is no less exploitative and vulgar.
The only reality show I thought was bad ass back in the day was the one on SciFi where they had makeup artists compete and they made some bad ass movie monsters and character designs.
They need to bring that back,one of the scares decent reality shows....
Face off???
@@_mari_1555 that's it
I’m glad great youtubers like In Praise of Shadows watch reality shows so I don’t have to
I don't want to watch Milf Manor, I want to watch a video essay about Milf Manor by a talented UA-camr
As others have pointed out it’s also so off that this is attached to the Saw franchise. A franchise that has the least (read basically none) sexualization of their characters. The creators are some of the nicest people.
Overall I can’t imagine how uncomfortable this was to make. Because my god this was heartbreaking to watch. James Gunn is such a bastard.
This opened up my eyes to how disgusting reality television really is this is deplorable. The amount of trauma, manipulation, and sexual exploitation these women went through is disgusting. Gunn should be held accountable none of them deserved this. He abused his position of power and held it over these women for views.
And now he's in charge of the DC film franchise.
I wonder how many of them walked away from this with PTSD or something like it. It seems like it would have been traumatizing.
Oh shut up. They’re all adults.
Jesus Christ this was a common practice back then, he's no more at blame then anyone else making such shows. They signed contracts to be on the show, no one held a gun to their heads. Not to mention how much of this shit is probably fake.
Stop being so naïve
I think if someone said "do you know how ugly you are and how Jewish you look?" on a reality show in 2023, there would be a smoking crater where their social media presence was with 24 hours, and rightfully so.
I want to mention one small thing as a fan of Saw, and this is not meant to downplay any of the points made in this video at all as I agree with every one of them wholeheartedly, but Tenedra did actually reappear for an extremely brief cameo in Saw VII (the final chapter) as a former trap survivor. Like I said though, this doesn't downplay the ruthless exploitation she faced, nor does it dignify her as successful as the show had advertized her to become after winning.
And she had several lines in both including one that was clearly what she was chosen for where she snaps at the detectives interviewing her if she's "grateful to jigsaw"
I had the same thought, then felt guilty for having it. She was actually one of the more memorable of the bit parts, which is probably why she was brought back.
But I think the crux is that even the ‘good’ outcome had had her end up a memorable few seconds in a dead/dying series, while these guys justified torturing her because ‘gonna be the next Jamie Lee!’
@@nothingtoseehere4955 I mean the saw series isn't as dead as many people think , saw X is supposedly in active production
@@Ike_of_pyke True, and her acting was solid in the movies but the fact that it didn’t grow her career/lead to any new roles at all is what the issue is. Since that’s what Scream Queens advertised to her.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: no amount of therapy or medication will be able to undo the trauma of being a young woman growing up in the early 2000s. This show is just one example of why.
Whoa. This hit me. Hard. I turned 18 in 2000 and … yeah. 10000% this.
Same. We need a support group for this.
Oh my God you are all a joke... Wow... Cry harder.. you act like you were waterboarded just bc guys were still allowed to like tits and weren't expected to wear a faggy dress lmao
Hey, I believe you can heal. I believe I can heal and that's a start.
yes agree 100%.... even as a male who attended an all boys high school from 2006-2010 (which I think was even worse than 2000-2005), there were blatant examples of body shaming EVERYWHERE, magazines, talk shows, tv shows, reality tv, and guys would make fun of each others weight daily... looking back I was only 150 lbs as a 18 year old and remember another student telling me my body type was "average" and typical and he wished he could gain weight to look like me. little did he know, I was only eating every other day, while participating in tennis team, which required daily exercise conditioning. I can only imagine how much worse it was for young women. When people complain about fellow millennials, like myself or gen Z, I am proud that things have changed in most media towards body positivity.
These women don't seem like bad actresses as much as the director's use of direction and the terrerrrible camera work makes them seem cringe.
Like the whole "direction in the eyes thing" his response is stupid as fuck.... Tell her to improve her tone at the end of that statememt... Jesus Christ he's terrible... Thank you too his editors and producers for saving his movies they're the real heroes
Exactly. Anyone would look goofy in these scenes. Badly lit, weird zooms, no proper direction apart from "do your thing", etc. Really makes me dislike James Gunn. He knew what he was doing.
The 2000s has got to be some sort of alternate universe that seeped in ours for some time
there was a time crash at cern. two realities basically consolidated themselves in the mid 10s. as such we have two different timelines smashed together. leading to a mandela effect for alot of things. leading to the wackiest and most terrifying current timeline
This...really changes my perspective on James Gunn
He’s changed for the better over the years.
@@orwellianson You should rephrase your sentence. "He's changed his public appearance for the better over the years." You have no idea who he is in real life, behind closed doors and who he is to women.
@@theorangecollective.7663 lol- you have no clue what you’re blabbing about. Go to bed, kiddo.
Except we're only talking about public appearances. That was the only thing we ever had, so it's the only thing where the change is or can be relevant.
@@Jesselaj that was not specified before, you're expecting everyone to assume the difference. Even though you're big brained and know already, not everyone does. Some people don't blur that line. Some people literally need to know there is a difference (kids and adults). It's just easier to specify... I've never heard a counter argument to be like, "you should know what were talking about." That's dumb. Specify, think constructively. Don't take a step backwards by saying, you should assume, because you know what assuming does. It makes an ass out of you and me.
I remember this series and since living with an actor, I’ve learned a thing or two about how the acting business works and I think I can safely point out the accuracies and inaccuracies of how this show portrays the industry. Yes, actors are often called to set or audition at last minute. Yes, actors do have to improvise sometimes. Yes, actresses are very often exploited, coerced into nude scenes, and judged for their appearance over their skills.
HOWEVER...
No they do not use water to make an actor appear wet, they’ll usually use vaseline because water evaporates. No, having an actor who isn’t trained in stunt work to do something like jump out of a window headfirst is not okay; in fact, it is SUPER dangerous and irresponsible. No, it is not ethical for the director to berate you for withdrawing consent, even if making your boundaries known is important. No, it is not common for actors to lay in a pile of bugs and if such a scene occurs, there has to be a medic present in case of an incident (i.e. if an actor is allergic to beestings and has to do a scene involving bees).
In short, this show was trash and Tanedra Howard deserved better.
2008 really does feel like an entirely different, worse era
.... yeah there was the 2008 financial crisis, thank god we bounced back for good 🤗
Eh... Different yes, but in many ways I'd say it was better than the modern age. 2012 feels like it was the last genuinely good year.
@@ForumArcade because 2012 is the year the world ended.
Jersey Shore era😊
That was peak timeline ya scum.
This is probably the best video about the weird horror reality show that had James Gunn in it
Thus is one of the videos on UA-cam
James gunn isn't even half as talented he's made out to be. He's just okay in an extremely below average industry and hence is hailed good enough to headline an entire universe. Watch his Superman movie be mid af and still be liked 😭
the whole show can be summarized as “and on todays episode of the writers barely disguised fetish“
Wow, this really shows how far we've come in the film industry when it comes to sex scenes, Intimacy Coordinators are even being used on some low budget indie productions and make scenes involving any kind of intimacy so much easier and safer.
Intimacy coordinators have been a thing since the early 90s. Of course a cheap vh1 show didn’t have one LMAO
I got my Gunns confused and was really pumped to see Tim Gunn direct a Saw movie
Jigsaw, make it work!
See, and this is unrelated, but this is why it frustrates me when folks are so quick to "cancel" people. Like, if folks actually cared about the morality of celebrities and public figures, why the hell am I only hearing about James Gunn's actions here NOW?
His entire career was put on hold for a tasteless tweet, not manipulating actresses ON CAMERA?
Two In Praise of Shadows videos in less than a month? I feel spoiled.
I completely forgot about the part where one of the contestants was pretending to be a “strong Black woman.” I cringed sooo hard. 😬
Yea. I don’t know why she said that about me. I never said that to her😂😂😂
@@ForeverTanedraTV I have no idea, either! I'm sorry that you had to go through that, though. Congratulations on winning the show, you were great!
@@ForeverTanedraTV You’re a better woman than me for not smacking her. 👑 You dropped this!
I truly do not miss being a girl in the early 2ks
This made me so mad. Pissed. Livid. i was not aware of any of this and I couldn't help but keep thinking of all those other injustices that i haven't heard of. Or anybody else for that matter. i wish these and all the other queens who've been abused by this rotten system have had some sense of happiness and peace in their lives.
This video had more red flags than a matador. Imagine going through weeks of exploitation, misconduct, racism, and possibly crippling yourself from a stunt jump...just to "win" 2 minutes of screen time in a forgettable movie.
shawnee smith's Amanda was an antagonist in the series and not a main protagonist, not even in the first film where she hadn't yet been written to be jigsaw's sidekick
The Soska sisters had a short-lived competition show called Hellevator, maybe five or so years ago. I think it aired on the Game Show Network.
Eli Roth is an objectionable human being.
Literally the only good thing he's been involved with is Inglorious Basterds, and he's annoying as fuck as soon as he starts talking. Man's got a lot of mileage out of being Quentin Tarantino's friend, frankly.
Love this channel. Analyzing random horror products that I would never actually watch is just so interesting for some reason.
Dragula is probably one of the best competing performance based show ever compared to this dribble.
just this RECAP was hard to watch, i kept having to pause it mid-scene in disbelief. youre a brave soul for digesting and filtering this for us.
Intelligent and enlightening. You point out the many reasons I despise reality t.v.
Thank you for covering this show. I thought the premise was wild back in the day, and one of the only "reality shows" I have ever watched, even to this day.
i always knew james Gunn was a creep
Can't believe movie studios still hire James Gunn
I still can't believe this show really existed and wasn't some weird fever dream because it really felt like Fear Factor but with a job instead of money at the end of it. Honestly I feel even worse for the second season contestants, at least the role in Saw 6 was memorable and even came back in saw 7 so there was at least a mild chance of getting noticed by someone and making something out of it... the poor winner of season 2 was "Girl tied under car in the skinhead trap". Yes the character had a name, no one cares what it was because she was just someone tied to the ground and barely visible. The fact that the role somehow got even smaller makes that entire second season so much sadder
Please don’t ever stop making videos, you have a great voice for it and your editing and production are excellent
What’s scarier is the Tim Gunn / Saw horror franchise. “Project Run Away”
I can't believe Troma barely gets a mention. It seems really relevant to Gunn's film philosophy as it relates to this show.
While it wasn't strictly horror, there WAS a murder mystery/horror reality series called Whodunnit? that ran for about one season in 2013 -- it was really good and I wish it hadn't gotten canned, because the premise of a murder mystery/horror reality gameshow type series is so, so fascinating and fun to me. I hope it or a similar premise is picked up again someday
There was also Murder in Small-town X
Michelle Galdenzi was a really good friend at the time. We went to acting school together. She’s great. Nothing like her character.
Christ, 33:00 is a hard watch. It's almost cartoonish how manipulative he gets
I gotta admit: of all the stuff you've covered on your channel, this was the hardest to watch for sure. Not because you didn't do an excellent job analyzing it, but because of just how cruel it all was
Great work man! I think it's really important to talk about conducts like this, as someone that works in filmmaking I feel thankful that things have changed from back then and hopefully it will only get better from now on for everyone involved in a set
In love with the Survivor reference. Michael Skupin, the guy "burned alive for ratings" actually played a future season and came in 3rd because he was so delusional. Then a few years later he was arrested for having a ton of child p**n...
His wiki bio says: Michael David Skupin is an American software publisher, television personality, convicted fraudster and child sex offender, and motivational speaker. OOOF
Always love your videos! Thanks for making such great content
James Gunn did say alot of his past behavior isn't representative of him currently. I believe him(so far,too date) but this should be pointed out. I kinda hated alot of the 2000s.
A lot of reality show competitions give off a sinister vibe, but this looks like one of the worst. I would say Face/Off was a welcome outlier for this kind of show. The first season had a bit of backstabbing and sleazy hookups and standard reality show BS, but they quickly jettisoned all that and focused on the art produced by the contestants. What's more, the contestants consistently supported each other (there were MANY times they banded together to help a struggling competitor get their challenge done) and the judges were firm but not unkind. You never had the feeling anybody was being manipulated or misled, and a lot of the work produced was damn good!
I really enjoyed Face/Off for that reason. It focused on the creativity and the outcome.
@@adamant5906 Yeah! I loved how there was no trash talk between the contestants. They all wanted to win, but they wanted to be friends too. And the prizes were really specific. They'd get bragging rights, a PR boost in the industry, maybe a new car or whatever. Nobody was led to think this would make them rich or super famous, it was just a cool, fun thing to do.
Some of the best content right here; I’m always delighted to see a new video on this channel. Thanks so much
I am happy about myself that I immidiatly knew that it was Tanedra who won cuz I somehow remember her role even tho it was just 2 scenes
❤❤❤Best time of my life!!🎉🎉🎉
Love how just because Gunn made a few superhero movies that made disney adults giggle everyone just forgot how sleezey of a dude he really is.
Gunn has powerful friends in Hollywood. But he's a saint when compared to Harvey Weinstein
The whole controversy of him getting fired by Disney for some tweets is ridiculous, because there's much more incriminating slosh like this that he is involved in.
That and also he may have changed his ways, or at least hid the worst of his sleaziness.
@@miffedmeff7302 it's prolly actually been really helpful to him to get "cancelled" for those tweets, since those are now the most controversial thing most people remember about him.
Getting in trouble for something minor that, thanks to recency bias, overshadows anything more major, effectively giving him a clean slate in the public eye
As a lover of Marvel, the GOTG movies aren't even that good. Vol. 2 is by far better, but still it's not even in my top 20. And how they treat their female characters, ESPECIALLY Gamora in the first one is... Skeezy at best. DC can have his sleezy ass imho. He's not gonna go away any time soon so they can have him, fuck him and fuck his misogynistic bullshit
Whatvother things he has done?
yes to all of this! also worth noting that in the second (Gunn-less) season of this show, the second contestant eliminated was Rosanna Pansino, now a baking UA-camr with 14M+ subscribers.
Good vid overall, but I'm curious why you didn't attempt to get into contact with any of the former contestants. It would have added so much.
I mean I doubt any of them would want to be reminded of it.
Making a youtube video on something bad that happened on TV is one thing, but active reaching out to cast and crew can get tricky as then studios and lawyers can get involved.
This vid is just making commentary on publicly known facts, however trying to extract info from people involved is messy especially in industries like film and tv. Theres not much 1 mid sized UA-cam channel can do to combat something like tht, so the next best thing is to spread awareness and hopefully get the truth to come out via viral means/court of public opinion
@@PantsaBear Yeah that's fair, great video regardless. I guess I was just coming from the context of some other channels I watch where they do loop in some of the subjects years later, so it felt the tiniest bit weird talking about them like they'd all departed the mortal coil lmao
I would be open to it. Ya know, just to clear up some things
@@panskii3632 I don’t mind. Im not ashamed or embarrassed by any of it. ❤
God, I was never into James Gunn, but even so, I didn't realize he was this creepy... How does he have a career??
As much I think the monster energy drink era of Horror is overhated and has a lot of gems (Slither being one of them), it really was mostly "PG-13" exploitation films with a Korn song playing during the credits.
Yo this Perfect Blue remake looks wild
wow, whatever modicum of respect i had for james gunn is now obliterated
I honestly really enjoy watching the videos you make. From the franchises to video games to real life events, your videos are real treasures. Keep up the amazing work. Your channel is really underrated.
I personally thought it was really silly when James Gunn got cancelled for some edgy tweets he made that definitely read as bad jokes, yet no one called him out for this. Like, I understand that these reality shows are often scripted, but it really does feel like these girls were being harassed mentally and sexually for entertainment and he was very much a willing participant in the whole thing. And it seems like it's all "ok" behavior to the public eye because it's all happening out in the open rather than behind closed doors, you know?
I'm not just disgusted by James and the producers of Scream Queens either, that bit about Eli Roth openly admitting that he just wanted to film some woman jumping up and down on a trampoline because he wanted to watch her titties bounce around sounded so icky. Like god damn, it was such a boys club back then and I hope it's not that bad now.
Is there any recent statement by James Gunn regarding that show? I'd like to know what he thinks about that show today.
I'm pretty sure he's either probably forgot about it or wants to forget about it.
Thank you for another excellent video! Even though SCREAM QUEENS is from a fairly different era, and a time before Me Too, it’s still a great example of how the power dynamic is *still* exploited to this day.
QUESTION: you mention an article that lays out the details of Nudity Clauses, is it possible to link to this?
I gotta give it to you, you always come up with something different.
If I have my timeline correct this show would have been made a few years after James Gunn's messy divorce from Jenna Fischer. Which just makes this even worse. Just one of countless stories out there of powerful men making their personal woman issues the problem of every other woman they come in contact with now.
I love James Gunn and his work these days and part of that is admiring how he managed to pull himself out of being, by his own admission, a deeply toxic asshole, but Jesus Christ it definitely hurts being reminded just how toxic an asshole he really was. Like this is...a lot to be expected to just bounce back from.
When you see shows like scream queens and really break them down to how exploitive they were. It draws crazy similiar comparisons to how popular culture treated women like Paris Hilton and Brittanny Spears at the time.
James Gunn Creeps me the fuck out in this, like all the red flags going off and alarm bells, run as far away as you can.
my dad worked at MTV in the early '00s on shows like punk'd, pimp my ride, and next. according to him, probably the biggest difference was that back then, reality TV was in its infancy. most contestants truly had no expectation of what would happen, just that they would be on a "hollywood set." from the executives' perspective, because of the novelty and because of the culture of the time, it was very much an "anything goes" type of vibe. I'm sure the waivers these contestants were signing were absolutely wild and they just didn't have the knowledge or inclination to question that. there was just a lot less clarity in general among the public about how these shows were made and how contestants were vetted and chosen
Man I love your videos and I'm so happy u posted another one
I ADORE your videos and how I learn with them each and every single one. Thank you.
I watch competitive "reality" shows to see people who are good at stuff (or want to be) compete for hopefully legit criticism, and to be able to enjoy their craft, whether I know much about it or not. Drag Race is a great example, the makeup artist one on Netflix is really neat too. And I have managed to see a season of the suprisingly delightful Pottery Throwdown. This one made me feel icky from the clips you showed. Those poor actresses.
Really entertaining video. This was such a throwback. I remember seeing this show back in the day and forgot all the crazy stuff they did in it.
You concluding point is a fantastic one. You are correct I know the main host of the shows far more often even if I haven't ever watched the show.
Had no idea this show even existed but my god this is just televised misogynistic bullying 😰
Thank you for uploading!
I vividly remember this era. Wild times.
As an actor, I’m sure I can agree for most of us, we are all very vulnerable and weird…I cried for five hours after writing this.
As a massive DC fan, I have no hope for what they make under his watch. I don't think we'll get something like 2017 Wonder Woman again.
almost everyones behavior (especially Gunn's) is downright deplorable here. given how some of them treated the black girl im actually glad most of them didnt go anywhere. the whole "grew up in the projects" bit made my blood boil.
man, my mouth was agape at some of these quotes. It's insane how fast times change lol
Phenomenal piece as always man
Thank you for covering this.
i used to watch scream queens religiously when it came out and i completely forgot about its existence until now. thanks for the trip down memory lane ❤
This is so specific for a video concept!
But it was rlly entertaining!
OH MY GOD! I remember seeing this show back when I was super young. I remember seeing the knife intro on tv as a kid and always wondered what was up with that show? Yet I never knew how to explain/ask the question because that’s all I remembered.