One of the warning signs of someone being suicidal is that they start giving away all their things. It could be that Libby was already having depressed thoughts, then went on to give away all the most extravagant things David had left behind, only to correct her life before trying to hurt herself, and checked into a mental hospital to work through her depression.
I absolutely agree with this assessment. And I think it's an informative comment that might help anyone who reads it to notice potential warning signs in those they know. Thank you for sharing.
As someone who suffers from multiple mental health disorders and has been in countless therapy sessions, I came here to make this EXACT same comment. I was surprised to see someone else had already pointed it out. Thank you so much for doing this! I've always seen Libby's behavior this way. I appreciate you sharing this!
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Yes, this comment is so important and adds that important layer to her character. Thanks for the wonderful video. I've always loved Libby despite the lack of screen time she had on the show. I love how you connected how important she was to the overall story though - explaining the chain of reactions. Such a wonderful analysis! Thank you!
This ties in nicely with the island (and Hurley in particular) actually saving her from ending her own life before meeting her soulmate. You could argue its tragic that she still has to die on the island, however, ending up on the island is what leads her to be able to move on with Hurley in the afterlife.
"People didn't like Ana Lucia so we thought it wouldn't be shocking enough so we axed Libby as well"...If that's true that's the dumbest and cheapest reason to kill off a character. I'd rather have them straight up say they didn't know what to do with her character. It's less insulting than "Oh we just killed her off to get cheap tears from the audience and y'all ate it up".
Yeah, it wasn’t the most sensible decision in the long term, especially since they spent the next four years being harangued and pestered by fans about Libby’s backstory. They were asked all the time about it lol. So they paid the price for that creative choice. That said, the killing of Ana and Libby is one of my favourite shock dramatic moments from the show and it’s the point when LOST started to get a little darker and more dangerous, and the feeling spread that no one was safe from the chopping block, whether the characters were old or new. It’s a dramatic high point in the early seasons for me, and because I didn’t really care about Libby all that much, I thought it worked well.
I read an interesting theory that Libby was actually Annie, but was now working for Widmore, which is why she just happened to have had a boat suitable for Desmond’s race…and just gave it to him.
Honestly, it was kind of a bummer that Libby, Ana Lucia, and Eko were all killed off so quickly. Bernard ended up being the only tail section guy with much staying power on the show, which made the whole tail-section ordeal feel almost unnecessary to the plot. I know Eko was supposed to be a critical endgame character, but that obviously didn't happen. And man, that's just sad that Libby was killed because nobody liked Ana Lucia.
The tail section just wasn’t meant to be. It hits me more and more on rewatches how much story time is dedicated to these characters who almost all die. The creators posit Libby’s death strengthened the shock of the Ana Lucia death scene but I would argue it undercuts it by making it feel more like spring cleaning.
I absolutely hated it when Libby was headed back and Michael was there being a crazy ass... I knew something bad was coming.. and as another viewer has already commented, I must agree, when Hurley sobs out “I’m sorry I forgot the blankets.” It’s so harsh. So so harsh...
Would we Lost fans be happy with a full Libby episode? No doubt. But then again, rewatches prove that we really didn't NEED it. What really matters is her role in Hurley's character and in the whole story, which this video showed. Besides, as much as I feel for Hurlet, her death is such an iconic scene.
I’ve come back to this channel, which I love, after a busy holiday season and I’m happy to find there’s new and continuing content. Keep it up! Thank you.
Season's Greetings. Thank you for this deep dive into Libby's character. Although she was only on the island for a short time, her character certainly had a big impact on events on and off the island till the very end. Enjoy your content very much. Cheers (Y)
I hope this doesn't disappoint. I aim to upload a new video at least once every month. Usually in the last half of the month, but almost always on a Sunday :)
Excellent video, as always! Constantly learning new details I never saw. I always assumed Desmond met her after the institute, but you're right. One month between her husband dying and meeting Des isn't a lot of time for her to get committed, treated and released again. This is the first time I noticed that her hair in the Desmond scene is just a little bit lighter and shorter than it is in the institute scene (where it is full brown and long), which is another indication that her committal to Santa Rosa probably happened a month or two after crossing paths with Desmond that day.
Here's what happened: Libby noticed Hurley because he constantly mentioned someone called Dave. She then became obsessed with him and after he was let out, she discharged herself and started stalking him. Hurley plays Leonard's numbers in the lottery and wins. But the "curse" is not what he thinks. First, Libby induces a heart attack in Hurley's grandpa. Then she threatens or pays off Starla leave him and run off with Johnny. She arranges for Diego to run off with a waitress. She burns down the house he bought for his mother. While Hurley is distracted by the fire, she quickly runs past and pushes his mum over, breaking her ankle. She also called the police and had him falsely arrested as a drug dealer. When Hurley meets with his accountant, she follows him to the building but accidentally ends up a few storeys higher. And when someone in the building found her, snooping around, she threw him out the window. She also caused a meteor to hit Mr Cluck's Then she follows him to Australia and then onto flight 8:15. Obviously, I'm Joking 😂🤣 Imagine that.
Reading this made me realise that the island was meant to not only keep the black monster inside, but also all kinds of crazy people in the outer world. A very frightening thought, but it would be cool
I kinda got the impression Hurley developed his abilities in no small part because he wanted to talk to Libby so badly… and yeah, Libby giving away her boat seems like a very likely inciting incident to her family/friends strongly encouraging her to get some help.
Yes, this is a very astute observation. I think the writers intentionally added that detail in with the names. Hurley's guilt complex and need for a male role model in his life manifested in the form of a mischievous imaginary friend with his father's namesake.
The premier of Two for the road was my introduction to the series. I was so confused, but instantly hooked. I had to know what was going on with this crazy show. I watched season one and the rest of season 2, but had to wait for the season 2 DVD set to come out before I could fill in the gaps of season 2 prior to two for the road. It was a wild ride for sure!
Damon Lindelof's father was named David, so the name is used in LOST quite a bit because of that. Glad to see you are providing more content! Great stuff as always!
Yes, there is a lot of history to Adewale's departure from the role. He also suffered the tragic loss of his adoptive parents at the same time. He was allegedly difficult to work with on the set after that. It's such a shame because Eko remains a favourite character amongst fans, including me.
Another Great video! Loved lost as a kid and hadn’t watched it again until just recently and fell in love with it again, these videos are amazing and have helped me understand it so much more. Was wondering if you could maybe do a future video on kelvin Inman or Stuart radinsky as there back stories are pretty cool but are both hard characters to fully understand for the casual viewer.
Welp, looks like I can edit out my "Libby backstory" segment from an upcoming video of mine, since you pretty much explained it :P One thing I think it's interesting is that the showrunners didn't forget about her, but over the years tried to get her story into the show, but were unable to do it. Like in the Nov 18th 2006 interview with TV Guide: "Question: What's the latest on Cynthia Watros returning to Lost to finish out her backstory?- T.K. Ausiello: I asked Lindelof-Cuse that very question when I spoke to them for AA's 100th. Here's what Carlton had to say: "We would love to tell the rest of [Libby's] story, it’s [just] a question of whether we get to it. We’re now working on the early episodes for the second pod, and we want to get back to some of the characters we haven’t seen, and spend a little more time with them. We'd like to get to Cynthia's story, but I think we're going to try to tell the stories of our regular characters before we do that." Adds Damon: "Obviously, we have a couple more beats of Libby’s story to tell to fill in the missing pieces, and the way we would tell that story is in the flashbacks of another character. But that character can’t be a character that we already know and love, otherwise they would recognize Libby. We know who those characters are and what those story beats are, but it might be awhile before we get to their flashbacks." Then in the 2nd of December 2006 interview on E! Online “Given everything else we have to tell, [Libby's story] is going to be a mystery that's going to have to get answered in year 4. There's really one significant missing piece to Libby's story. We saw in the season finale last year that she met with Desmond, she gave him his boat, and we know that her husband died - and then we know that subsequent to that, she spent some time in a mental institution, the same one as Hurley. The question the audience wants answered is, How did she get from A to B - from Desmond to the mental institution? We know the answer to that question, but the only way to tell that story is through another character's flashback, and that character would have to be another character on the show who is not among the beach dwellers” Comic-Con July, 2007 MAN: I'm gonna ask a very volatile question right now, Libby! We were told that we were going to get more of her in uh flashbacks and stuff, revealing stuff, and there's been a couple of hints that she possibly worked for DHARMA, I don't- uh, it's been theorized online and stuff, uh, what do you have to say about the absence of Libby and are we getting more of her any time soon in flashbacks like you promised? CARLTON: It- it is our intention to get to Libby's story this year, and we think you will be very happy when we actually do finish that. DAMON: You're not, um, you're not barking up the wrong tree either with some of your speculative online questioning. Comic-Con 2007 was before season 4, so I think the intention was to have her in some of the freighter-flashbacks. And the "not barking up the wrong tree" might suggest that. Maybe Miles did a reading of her David, like he did for Mr. Gray in "Some Like it Hoth"? In September 2007 they told Ausiello: “She'll be in enough of the show for us to fill in the missing pieces of her story," says Cuse. "We could not be more pleased. Cynthia is a smart and engaging actor, and Damon and I have some very cool parts of her story left to tell.” Carlton Cuse told Ausiello after the strike was over that: “We've found ourselves in a situation where we had eight episodes of story planned, and we're going to try to fit that into five hours of the show.” In an interview with Comics on Comics they said that they approached Cynthia Watros several times, but she didn’t want to return. On May 8th, 2009, we learned from Kristin on E! Online that “Libby's story will not be wrapped up on the show. Damon said: "I have learned that if you kill someone off the show, they are less likely to cooperate with you." Basically, Cynthia Watros is busy until further notice, and they can't explain Libby without her, at least not in any way that shows her story rather than annoyingly tells her story.” I know many blame the writers on dropping a Libby mystery right before she was killed, but to me it seems like they really tried to weave in a story for her, but things got in the way or it didn't fit. I agree with you on the idea that she got into the institution after she gave him the sailboat.
Great research there! I was going to use a couple of similar interview extracts that demonstrated how often they got asked this question about Libby, but I was worried I would be labouring the point lol. I think they regret not being able to work those backstory beats in there but, in the end, we didn't really need them. It just would have been nice for Libby's backstory to be canonically, and cleanly, tied off. I hope this video helps towards providing some closure for fans who never connected those dots themselves.
I distinctly remember Darlton saying in Season 4 they'd be Libby's backstory via the backstory(ies) of one or more characters. Clearly those were one of the plans for that season that were scrapped due to that damn WGA strike. 😔
They certainly had to drop multiple episodes they had planned as a result of that strike, including centric stories for the new arrivals from the freighter. I think Libby's backstory simply became less relevant to the overall direction of the show as things moved on and they could not work out a way of bringing it back around until the season six flashsideways.
There is a interview that was done between season 5 and season 6 where they said that they simply couldn't get Cynthia back to tell that story because they said she didn't want to come back or had scheduling conflicts. Maybe she decided to come back in season 6 because it was a different story rather than just filling in the blanks on her storyline. They also confirmed that her story was pretty much already told as it's summarized here, that she had a breakdown after her husband died and went to Santa Rosa. They said there is a lot of little stuff that they had figured out to fill in the blanks but that overall it doesn't really matter to the overall story of the show.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 You brought up Ilana....I really hope you do a video on her, as I was way more disappointed that they didn't tell her story than Libby's, as I think Ilana's story was still important to the overall narrative of the show, and would have filled in the blanks on the issues with Jacob's cabin. My theory (which you may have already read on one of my comments on reddit) is that she is that she was conceived in Jacob's cabin. That Jacob fell in love with her mother, they stayed at the cabin for a time. The mother was either drawn to the island in some way, or was a other or a Dharma. I'm leaning towards that she came to the island and wasn't one of the other inhabitants on the island. My evidence for linking Ilana to the cabin is the way she looked at the cabin in the season 5 finale...it seemed like the place held meaning to her and she seemed sad when they burned it down (though she knew it had to be done). Teddy.
I will, at some point, do a video on Ilana. I agree that she has the more cryptic backstory but it seems the general fanbase is not as interested in her as they are with Libby. I think that's because the questions surrounding Libby's history were asked across a longer period across four more seasons. Whereas Ilana was a late introduction in season five and abruptly killed off during a point in the endgame when there were so many other things distracting us. A lot of people forget about her, or don't think that much more about her significance. However, like you, I find the mysteries surrounding her backstory far more compelling because we get almost nothing on her origins within the show beyond a couple of scenes and lines. I have a specific interpretation of who she is and what her probable backstory was, which I promise I shall someday unfurl on this channel :)
LOST is unusual in that it features multiple characters who share the same name or variations of. Some examples off the top of my head: Charlie Pace and Charles Widmore. Daniel Faraday, Dan Norton (Ben’s lawyer), and Daniel (Eko’s altar boy). Even Danielle Rousseau is a similar sounding first name. Tom Friendly and Tom Brennan (Kate’s childhood love). And then there are all the David’s! First there is Dave (imaginary friend) then there is David Reyes (Hurley’s dad), then David (Libby’s husband), and David Shepherd (Jack’s sideways son). And even Desmond’s second name is David. I always quite liked the idea that the show had some commonly shared names, as that’s how it is in reality. Names like Tom and David and Daniel are everywhere.
15:00 Why did you say: "psychic abilities being hereditary" explains why Walt would have enhanced powers? Wouldn't that mean that Walt's powers would be reduced (or equal, at best), since there's no indication that his mother had the abilities?
Well done. I am so excited when you uploaded a video about Libby's story. I am currently writing my own version of season 7 of Lost after the events of season 6. The first episode consists of flashbacks of Libby which revealed that Libby is actually Ilana's sister and Jacob's daughter and Libby and her husband travelled to the island and her husband was infected and then killed by the MIB. Jacob then tasked her with keeping an eye on Hurley in the mental institute as he believes Hurley might be his replacement and he told Libby that Hurley might be able to talk to her dead husband. Well I would have a flashback of Libby feeling shocked about the plane crash and how Jacob did things and decided to ditch him and help the survivors by giving them some sessions and the island decided to be done with her by providing her with her death by Michale . Her backstory would be that she was almost killed by the MIB and brought to the temple to be healed and she lost her memories and was forced to leave the island for her safety. I would also like to have Libby figuring out Goodwin as an other and warned him to stay away in another flashback of future episodes that I will write. I would also include a flashback of Richard trying to recruit Libby along with her friend Juliet which she declined. What do you think of my ideas?
I would love to see this episode that you write. It sounds very impresive and it would fit into the Lost Story. Keep it up and let me know if you do a Fan Lost episode 😃👍
Another interesting video, so thanks for that. One question. If we dismiss the idea that Michael saw the true ghost of Libby because he didn't possess any special power that would allow him to do so, can we also deduce that Jack's sighting of Christian at St Sebastian couldn't have been his father's true spirit for similar reasons?
Well, Jack is a different case to most. I think it is demonstrated on several occasions that Jack is indeed special, he's just in denial about it. He repressed it all. 'Stranger in a Strange Land' helps us to understand that "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us." Like Jacob. Jack has some psychic sensitivity because he is a predestined island protector, just like Hurley (and arguably Walt). He is seen to be somewhat of a miracle worker as a surgeon and heals people, hence why some patients seek him out to do operations. Whether or not there is something supernatural at play is left relatively ambiguous, but Sarah's recovery from her paralysis was a remarkable feat of surgery. Jack experiences his psychic sensitivity more noticeably on the island. Perhaps, like Hurley, he needed to be in closer proximity to The Source to unlock some of these latent abilities. He hears his father call to him via the old intercom in The Hydra in S3. But he chooses to write off such feelings and/or visions as hallucinations and, later, psychosis. Once he is off the island, just as this sensitivity is starting to glimmer through more and he sees Christian in the hospital, he self-medicates himself into oblivion. And I believe this suppresses his innate ability to commune with the island. So, to answer your question, I do believe that the Christian Jack sees at the hospital is really there and really Christian. However, it is left ambiguous just like Michael's sightings of Libby. We can ascribe more meaning to these moments than simply hallucinations, but hallucinations do occur on LOST. Not everything is supernatural. As I've said before, sometimes a horse is just a horse.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Hurley mentioned to Jack that someone will visit him. As we all know and agree, Hurley is communicating with ghosts. So, for sure it was not hallucination or MIB. Writers made this pretty clear I think. So I fully agree what you mentioned.
I think the DUI was public knowledge soon after it happened. There were news reports about it at the time. As far as I am aware, Cynthia Watros has never claimed that she was fired as a result of that DUI.
When I saw Libby in the nut house, stoned on drugs, I was afraid that maybe she only imagined the whole Lost island story. It was a really good suspenseful Lost moment for me. Like a real existential crisis, was it just her imagination? Was nothing real, like sometimes I think, is my life real at all? Are the characters of Lost just an imagination of Libby so they were never there? Which is a strange thought because in the end it's all fictional, maybe I take Lost too seriously xD.
If you've ever needed ideas for new videos (if you can't think of anything left to explain), I've always thought a series explaining the backstories/stories of individual characters chronologically would be cool. For example, Jack from childhood (saving that kid) going all the way to when his eye closes and potentially through his (after)life in the Flash Sideways. I think you'd be the perfect guy to do it.
I always thought Libby didn’t want Hurley to remember where he knew her from because it would be revealed that she was masquerading as a psychologist. Do we know the timeline on their stay at Santa Rosa? Did she actually become a psychologist after that?
Walt’s psychic capabilities are likely more extensive than Michael’s due to the fact that Walt is still a child with a very open and imaginative mind as where Michael, being grown and so far away from his childhood days, has shut out those abilities maybe to denial, y’know, saying “I didn’t really effect those things or see those things when I was kid, that was just a child’s imagination at work”. Could be something like that...
Yes. But to be honest she actually was a cool person, before she got shot in the womb. She had many reasons to become the person she became. It was just to us first time watchers it was very frustrating to see a character behave so unreasonable and toxic for no reason. Yeah she did bad things but yeah she's a lost character. She needs to be complicated
I'm pretty sure they would have tied her story up with a neater bow had it not been for the writers strike and shortening of Season 4. I can almost imagine them going down the Widmore root, and tying Libby to the freighter in some way, as they did with Michael. You could also assume they had already spoken to the actress about this, but as things changed her role in S4 was reduced to the incredibly small cameo appearances to Michael due to time constraints. It would make sense from a story telling perspective that Libby scenes would have been cut before anyone else's in S4, since she died so early on.
I always thought Libby gave Desmond the boat happened AFTER she got out of Santa Rosa. Damn so it’s possible that Lostpedia got the timeline wrong about which happened first. The way I saw it was this happened after because upon her release from Santa Rosa I’d like to think she didn’t want anymore reminders of her late husband so she gave the boat away to Desmond as a way to cope to heal and not trigger another nervous breakdown. Rewatching that scene between Hurley and Libby in the mental institution during the Season 6 flash-sideways filled in most of the blanks for me especially when she told him that she remembers seeing Hugo in the institution as well. I would like to think that was really Libby’s ghost haunting Michael the whispers any made it seem like it. Just like when Ghost of Boone came back through Locke’s visions and the ghosts Ana Lucia and Charlie directly visited Hugo.
I know this isn't related to this video: But I would love a detailed look into who you think was the most important character on the show. Maybe the most simple answer is just Jacob But Imo Desmond is the most influential character on the show
Libby and Ana Lucia death scene is one of the most famous scenes of Lost. I loved the badass Ana Lucia and was unhappy with her death more than Libbys. However overall Ana Lucia was more of a background to the story. I think her character simply didn't fit in with the rest of the survivors which were more of soft and emotional characters than she was. Libbys death was sad because of Hurley. He didn't deserve that. They got the happy end in the afterlife though.
That would explain why she had a boat suitable for an around the world race and just gave it to Desmond after a “chance” encounter paying for his coffee…
Forgive me if it was covered somewhere... The reason Libby didn't appear to Hurley.? (Acress probably wasnt available, there couldve been a way to do it though, someone seeing Hurley talking to nobody and he says its her) .. Maybe she didn't have anything she was holding onto? That can't be it..Maybe she wasn't at a certain spiritual plane? Although Anna could see her in spirit town.
It's possible that Libby came to Hurley after he became protector. He had many years in that role (and many years left of life) so I imagine that he might have communed with her once the dust had settled from the Island War.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Absolutely... That makes sense. Once Hurley had time to really understand his abilities and understanding how he can help the ones who were stuck, and everyone else in whichever realm they were in. Thank you. I will go with that.
1) I graduated from high school with Cynthia Watros. Nice girl. 2) I had always assumed Libby killed her husband, the boat had something to Di with it and that's why she gave it to Desmond.
Right now I am rewatching Lost and I have one question regarding Sawyer's past, as far as I remember no one knew that Sawyer killed a man in Sydney(otherwise why he isn't in jail?), but in the episode where others told Lock to kill his father, Richard gives him a folder about Sawyer's past where said that Sawyer killed a man in Sydney. Can you help me find the answer? Maybe I missed something? or is it plot hole?
The Others learned about the murder of Frank Duckett through their own research. Remember that they have an extensive off-island network all over the world. It is likely that they sought out Sawyer's known associates to gather intelligence on the man in order to know more about him. This most likely took place some time during the events of Season Two when they were plotting to take Sawyer with Jack and Kate. During their intelligence gathering, they found his associate Hibbs (the man who gave Sawyer the bogus tip off about Duckett being "the real Sawyer"). Through Hibbs, The Others learned why Sawyer was in Australia: to find the man responsible for the death of his parents. A man named Frank Duckett. A bit more research would show that Duckett was shot dead the day before Oceanic 815 left the country. The Others put two and two together. That is one possible way they could have known. Another way is that the police had already connected Sawyer to the murder scene in Sydney and he was wanted in questioning for the murder. Which means Sawyer was lucky to crash on the island when he did and be classified as legally dead. Had he made it back to the states he might have been arrested. However, I think the first scenario is the more likely option, simply because we know The Others did their research and sought out those connected to our Oceanic survivors. Ironically, Locke's Dad -- the real Sawyer -- being one such example.
That would have been a nice extra detail to put in actually. I think we can deduce the reason. Because of the way time works within The Source (flash sideways), Libby is already with Hurley. Just like how Isabella tells Richard that they are already together since time does not matter in the realm of the dead. Libby's death gave Hurley a drive and motivation that might have diminished had she been summoned back from death to speak with him too soon. Also, we don't know what happened after he became protector. She could have visited him in later years. Hurley's gift was at an early stage of development.
Hello, Thanks for this interesting video. You say DAVE isn't the monster, but how can an imaginary being (in Hurley's head) send a coconut drown on Hurley ?
I don't take a strong stance on "Dave" either way. I think an argument could be made for both possibilities -- Hurley's subconscious or the smoke monster. Because we only ever see Dave from Hurley's subjective POV -- which is unreliable -- we can never be sure if what Hurley saw, felt and heard when he encountered Dave on the island was objective reality. It is left ambiguous. Had another character seen and touched Dave's slipper then it would have confirmed an objective reality to the audience. But no one except Hurley sees anything to do with Dave, so any of his tactile experiences with the manifestation remain unreliable.
oh yes, the slipper ! Liby says she hasn't seen a slipper. Dave can't be the monster ! It's in Hurley's imagination. Jacob touches Hurley just before his return to the island, so if Dave was the monster, he just had to push him, as Hurley wasn't protected !
No argument from me here. I really like Ana too. Yes, she's tough to like in those early few episodes because she is so antagonistic towards pre-established characters, but 'The Other 48 Days' changes all of that. She shows compassion, intelligence, leadership, resilience, whilst in the midst of pure chaos, terror and panic. I am always sorry to see her go in 'Two for the Road' every time I re-watch the series.
Maybe I can offer insight, since I don’t care for her (but with a show like Lost that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy her story or seeing her flashbacks, in fact, I really enjoy her flashbacks). I just generally dislike her personality as a whole, it’s just a bad taste in my mouth. She’s far too trigger happy and this results in her killing Shannon, a character who is in my top 5 from seasons 1 and 2. She’s also a cop and while her backstory is done incredibly well, I just don’t like cops lol. And just when I was starting to kind of like her, she says “you, gay?” to Sawyer just because he, what, doesn’t want to get in her pants right that second? Ack. I would not be on team Ana if I were a Lostie, that’s all. But hey she’s not nearly as annoying as Charlie or Zoe.
It's possible that Libby came to Hurley after he became protector. He had many years in that role (and many years left of life) so I imagine that he might have communed with her once the dust had settled from the Island War. It's also worth noting that in the afterlife, time has no meaning and Libby is with Hurley there. It's like Isabella communicates to Richard in 'Ab Aeterno': "My love. We are already together."
Libby Said she was a clinical psychologist, we don't know if that was actually true or not. We know only that she was under the care of clinical psychologists. She could have just been faking it. Then again we all know that half of all psych majors are just trying to figure out their own problems.
When I first started the channel I didn’t have any recording equipment and had to use a text to speech voice. After a while, the channel became more successful but people complained about the quality of the audio. So, I invested in a microphone and re-recorded and remade pretty much every video. Basically, every video from the pregnancy crisis onwards uses my real voice. And the series entitled The Theory of Everything covers the content of all of these previous text to speech videos, in much greater depth too.
Michael does see Christian on the freighter though and it couldn't have been the Man in Black because he can't travel over water without a boat or leave that island.
I explain this particular event in my video on "Ghosts and Apparitions". I think it absolutely is the Man in Black (for a multitude of reasons) and it's worth watching the section of the video to hear the evidence and reasoning: ua-cam.com/video/bKz9i2sU4Uo/v-deo.html
You are too cavalier to dismiss the "conspiracy theory" that Libby was killed of because of actress dui. Sure the actors playing Jin and Sawyer also had run in with the law but they are lead actors and Jacob candidates which gives them plot armor. The show runners are much like forgiving about side characters. The shock factor of Libby getting killed off is just an added bonus
I don't often get accused of being "cavalier" about anything lol. It's a conspiracy theory for a reason, because it remains unproven and simply fans connecting some rumour mill dots. Perhaps the showrunners would have cause to lie about the reasons as to why they killed off certain characters but the actors playing them are not bound by the same need to protect the narrative, as seen with Rebecca Mader and Harold Perrineau in past interviews in which they spoke out about behind the scenes stuff. Cynthia Watros, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Michelle Rodriguez could have easily contradicted the official story and confirmed the conspiracy theory. But literally no one from the show ever gave any weight to the DUI thing. It's just coincidence in a few cases, which was later refuted fairly well by the fact other actors did not get killed off. I know you argue that Daniel Dae Kim and Josh Holloway had bigger roles, but that means nothing if there is pressure from a network to fire actors (big leads get sacked all of the time and are not protected from the axe -- see 'Castle', 'Grey's Anatomy', 'Two and a Half Men', etc.) And if the local police authorities were demanding that these DUI offenders were to be deported and kicked out of Oahu then both Kim and Holloway would have been gone also. Either way, it just doesn't add up.
Aside from the writer's crisis, this shows how bad consequences can be when producers do not know the course of the story they are telling. They don't know where the stories will connect, so they make random choices. This leaves many question marks. I wish we had the chance to watch a more compact version in which all the shortcomings were completed by artificial intelligence or some other means.
I think hurly Dave is base off Libby David. I think David got sick like Libby said and wanted to go sailing before he dies. When the incident on the dock happened think maybe someone said to hurly that he was to fat to go on and maybe David got pissed about the comment and told hurly he was fine and told the other person off, than didn’t really talk on the dock. There for hurly wouldn’t know what David personality is like except that he doesn’t care if hurly is fat and has that rough sound in his voice due to him being annoyed that someone called him fat. Maybe David introduce him self as David and hurly assumed he would be nick named dave or he did go by dave but Libby calls ham David And hurly see dave cause he feels guilty
Yet they managed to write one of the most successful and widely discussed television shows of all time and set the gold standard for serialised TV going forward.
Are you complaining about Libby specifically? Most characters in LOST got rich, complete character arcs and had effective death scenes. There are only one or two that I personally found a bit abrupt and unsatisfying. But to call the whole show the worst and the writers horrible because you didn’t like some of the deaths is a bit of a dramatic overstatement.
@LOST EXPLAINED can someone pass an opinion without u arguing and talking back try to change my opinion if u don't like my opinion don't make videos about anything cause people will criticize and say what they think the show u can't control people's opinions and u never will and I think you older than me so grow up... I hate how the writers had big egos and killed characters like Ana Lucia cause the audience hated her cause she's not mallow like the other girls and they had to kill Libby so ana death will be more effective that's fucked up and then they killed other characters without any reason just for the shock value and kept the white man doctor Jack the most boring character on tv around as the Hero ... so don't give me its one of the written shows cause it could've been but they fucked it up in the last 2 seasons storyline after storyline and new characters like they tried to replace the ones who they killed off and in the last season they brought them all back cause they need ratings to get up and it left a bad taste in people mouth already ... it sane thing happened to Heros they kept killing off characters and brought new characters and forced storyline that people didn't care about and ratings dropped
Hold on a second, you sought my content out. I didn’t come knocking on your door and being rude to you. If you just came here to do hit and run negative comments and not expect me to challenge them then you’re the one posting in bad faith. If you’re so confident in your view that the show sucks in some way then you should be able to defend your position without clutching at your pearls. This is my channel and I put a lot of work into these videos. If someone wants to challenge my own views and ideas then I welcome the debate and conversation as evidenced by the literal hundreds of positive and fruitful interactions I’ve had on here. Your criticisms are subjective, you’re not above being challenged on that. And it seems you can’t even reply without swearing and making it personal. The only one acting immature and insecure about their opinions here is you. Don’t comment if you can’t handle a response that disagrees with your assessment. You’re a guest on my channel. Either be open and polite and debate your opinions in good faith or don’t comment at all.
One of the warning signs of someone being suicidal is that they start giving away all their things.
It could be that Libby was already having depressed thoughts, then went on to give away all the most extravagant things David had left behind, only to correct her life before trying to hurt herself, and checked into a mental hospital to work through her depression.
I absolutely agree with this assessment. And I think it's an informative comment that might help anyone who reads it to notice potential warning signs in those they know. Thank you for sharing.
As someone who suffers from multiple mental health disorders and has been in countless therapy sessions, I came here to make this EXACT same comment. I was surprised to see someone else had already pointed it out. Thank you so much for doing this! I've always seen Libby's behavior this way. I appreciate you sharing this!
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Yes, this comment is so important and adds that important layer to her character. Thanks for the wonderful video. I've always loved Libby despite the lack of screen time she had on the show. I love how you connected how important she was to the overall story though - explaining the chain of reactions. Such a wonderful analysis! Thank you!
This ties in nicely with the island (and Hurley in particular) actually saving her from ending her own life before meeting her soulmate. You could argue its tragic that she still has to die on the island, however, ending up on the island is what leads her to be able to move on with Hurley in the afterlife.
Hurley choking out “I’m sorry I forgot the blankets” absolutely devastated me every time. Jorge Garcia is a great actor
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"People didn't like Ana Lucia so we thought it wouldn't be shocking enough so we axed Libby as well"...If that's true that's the dumbest and cheapest reason to kill off a character. I'd rather have them straight up say they didn't know what to do with her character. It's less insulting than "Oh we just killed her off to get cheap tears from the audience and y'all ate it up".
Yeah, it wasn’t the most sensible decision in the long term, especially since they spent the next four years being harangued and pestered by fans about Libby’s backstory. They were asked all the time about it lol. So they paid the price for that creative choice. That said, the killing of Ana and Libby is one of my favourite shock dramatic moments from the show and it’s the point when LOST started to get a little darker and more dangerous, and the feeling spread that no one was safe from the chopping block, whether the characters were old or new. It’s a dramatic high point in the early seasons for me, and because I didn’t really care about Libby all that much, I thought it worked well.
I hadn’t considered how much impact Libby’s boat had on the story. That’s wild. Practically everything changes if Desmond didn’t need a cup of coffee.
I read an interesting theory that Libby was actually Annie, but was now working for Widmore, which is why she just happened to have had a boat suitable for Desmond’s race…and just gave it to him.
Honestly, it was kind of a bummer that Libby, Ana Lucia, and Eko were all killed off so quickly. Bernard ended up being the only tail section guy with much staying power on the show, which made the whole tail-section ordeal feel almost unnecessary to the plot. I know Eko was supposed to be a critical endgame character, but that obviously didn't happen. And man, that's just sad that Libby was killed because nobody liked Ana Lucia.
The tail section just wasn’t meant to be. It hits me more and more on rewatches how much story time is dedicated to these characters who almost all die. The creators posit Libby’s death strengthened the shock of the Ana Lucia death scene but I would argue it undercuts it by making it feel more like spring cleaning.
Cindy (flight attendant) was in the tail section. She survived till the last season.
@@ElectroPopSelection A technicality. Sure I know about her- but how much did she impact the show?
@@CalvinCrackI think only six 815ers make it to the end of the series lol
I just read that Cynthia Watros also wanted off the show, so they had to write her out, like Eko.
I absolutely hated it when Libby was headed back and Michael was there being a crazy ass... I knew something bad was coming.. and as another viewer has already commented, I must agree, when Hurley sobs out “I’m sorry I forgot the blankets.” It’s so harsh. So so harsh...
Would we Lost fans be happy with a full Libby episode? No doubt. But then again, rewatches prove that we really didn't NEED it. What really matters is her role in Hurley's character and in the whole story, which this video showed. Besides, as much as I feel for Hurlet, her death is such an iconic scene.
I am in total agreement with you!
I’ve come back to this channel, which I love, after a busy holiday season and I’m happy to find there’s new and continuing content. Keep it up! Thank you.
Welcome back! :)
Season's Greetings. Thank you for this deep dive into Libby's character. Although she was only on the island for a short time, her character certainly had a big impact on events on and off the island till the very end. Enjoy your content very much. Cheers (Y)
I always wondered what the deal was on Libby. Thanks for the awesome video!
Have been checking this channel so many times to see if there are new video’s!!! 🥳🥳 Very excited to watch, thank you for uploading!!!
I hope this doesn't disappoint. I aim to upload a new video at least once every month. Usually in the last half of the month, but almost always on a Sunday :)
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I hope you are busy because you are working with season 7 with your team.
Lol! If ABC gave me a call then I would certainly answer it 😉
Excellent video, as always! Constantly learning new details I never saw. I always assumed Desmond met her after the institute, but you're right. One month between her husband dying and meeting Des isn't a lot of time for her to get committed, treated and released again. This is the first time I noticed that her hair in the Desmond scene is just a little bit lighter and shorter than it is in the institute scene (where it is full brown and long), which is another indication that her committal to Santa Rosa probably happened a month or two after crossing paths with Desmond that day.
Here's what happened:
Libby noticed Hurley because he constantly mentioned someone called Dave. She then became obsessed with him and after he was let out, she discharged herself and started stalking him.
Hurley plays Leonard's numbers in the lottery and wins.
But the "curse" is not what he thinks.
First, Libby induces a heart attack in Hurley's grandpa. Then she threatens or pays off Starla leave him and run off with Johnny.
She arranges for Diego to run off with a waitress.
She burns down the house he bought for his mother. While Hurley is distracted by the fire, she quickly runs past and pushes his mum over, breaking her ankle.
She also called the police and had him falsely arrested as a drug dealer.
When Hurley meets with his accountant, she follows him to the building but accidentally ends up a few storeys higher. And when someone in the building found her, snooping around, she threw him out the window.
She also caused a meteor to hit Mr Cluck's
Then she follows him to Australia and then onto flight 8:15.
Obviously, I'm Joking 😂🤣
Imagine that.
Reading this made me realise that the island was meant to not only keep the black monster inside, but also all kinds of crazy people in the outer world. A very frightening thought, but it would be cool
I kinda got the impression Hurley developed his abilities in no small part because he wanted to talk to Libby so badly… and yeah, Libby giving away her boat seems like a very likely inciting incident to her family/friends strongly encouraging her to get some help.
Hurley's dad's name is also David, perhaps that's where he got the name for imaginary Dave from.
Yes, this is a very astute observation. I think the writers intentionally added that detail in with the names. Hurley's guilt complex and need for a male role model in his life manifested in the form of a mischievous imaginary friend with his father's namesake.
Your content is simply amazing!
The premier of Two for the road was my introduction to the series. I was so confused, but instantly hooked. I had to know what was going on with this crazy show. I watched season one and the rest of season 2, but had to wait for the season 2 DVD set to come out before I could fill in the gaps of season 2 prior to two for the road. It was a wild ride for sure!
Great work, brilliant as usual !
Yeah, hell yeah! I needed this.
Damon Lindelof's father was named David, so the name is used in LOST quite a bit because of that. Glad to see you are providing more content! Great stuff as always!
I’m pretty sure I read an article that mr eckos actor was unhappy living in Hawaii. I got the distinct impression that he felt culturally isolated.
Yes, there is a lot of history to Adewale's departure from the role. He also suffered the tragic loss of his adoptive parents at the same time. He was allegedly difficult to work with on the set after that. It's such a shame because Eko remains a favourite character amongst fans, including me.
Another Great video!
Loved lost as a kid and hadn’t watched it again until just recently and fell in love with it again, these videos are amazing and have helped me understand it so much more. Was wondering if you could maybe do a future video on kelvin Inman or Stuart radinsky as there back stories are pretty cool but are both hard characters to fully understand for the casual viewer.
You'll be pleased to hear that I will absolutely be talking about Kelvin and Radzinsky in a near future video :)
I always thought dave on the island was mib trying to kill Hurley
Good stuff!
Welp, looks like I can edit out my "Libby backstory" segment from an upcoming video of mine, since you pretty much explained it :P
One thing I think it's interesting is that the showrunners didn't forget about her, but over the years tried to get her story into the show, but were unable to do it. Like in the Nov 18th 2006 interview with TV Guide: "Question: What's the latest on Cynthia Watros returning to Lost to finish out her backstory?- T.K.
Ausiello: I asked Lindelof-Cuse that very question when I spoke to them for AA's 100th. Here's what Carlton had to say: "We would love to tell the rest of [Libby's] story, it’s [just] a question of whether we get to it. We’re now working on the early episodes for the second pod, and we want to get back to some of the characters we haven’t seen, and spend a little more time with them. We'd like to get to Cynthia's story, but I think we're going to try to tell the stories of our regular characters before we do that." Adds Damon: "Obviously, we have a couple more beats of Libby’s story to tell to fill in the missing pieces, and the way we would tell that story is in the flashbacks of another character. But that character can’t be a character that we already know and love, otherwise they would recognize Libby. We know who those characters are and what those story beats are, but it might be awhile before we get to their flashbacks."
Then in the 2nd of December 2006 interview on E! Online
“Given everything else we have to tell, [Libby's story] is going to be a mystery that's going to have to get answered in year 4. There's really one significant missing piece to Libby's story. We saw in the season finale last year that she met with Desmond, she gave him his boat, and we know that her husband died - and then we know that subsequent to that, she spent some time in a mental institution, the same one as Hurley. The question the audience wants answered is, How did she get from A to B - from Desmond to the mental institution? We know the answer to that question, but the only way to tell that story is through another character's flashback, and that character would have to be another character on the show who is not among the beach dwellers”
Comic-Con July, 2007
MAN: I'm gonna ask a very volatile question right now, Libby! We were told that we were going to get more of her in uh flashbacks and stuff, revealing stuff, and there's been a couple of hints that she possibly worked for DHARMA, I don't- uh, it's been theorized online and stuff, uh, what do you have to say about the absence of Libby and are we getting more of her any time soon in flashbacks like you promised?
CARLTON: It- it is our intention to get to Libby's story this year, and we think you will be very happy when we actually do finish that.
DAMON: You're not, um, you're not barking up the wrong tree either with some of your speculative online questioning.
Comic-Con 2007 was before season 4, so I think the intention was to have her in some of the freighter-flashbacks. And the "not barking up the wrong tree" might suggest that. Maybe Miles did a reading of her David, like he did for Mr. Gray in "Some Like it Hoth"?
In September 2007 they told Ausiello: “She'll be in enough of the show for us to fill in the missing pieces of her story," says Cuse. "We could not be more pleased. Cynthia is a smart and engaging actor, and Damon and I have some very cool parts of her story left to tell.” Carlton Cuse told Ausiello after the strike was over that: “We've found ourselves in a situation where we had eight episodes of story planned, and we're going to try to fit that into five hours of the show.” In an interview with Comics on Comics they said that they approached Cynthia Watros several times, but she didn’t want to return. On May 8th, 2009, we learned from Kristin on E! Online that
“Libby's story will not be wrapped up on the show. Damon said: "I have learned that if you kill someone off the show, they are less likely to cooperate with you." Basically, Cynthia Watros is busy until further notice, and they can't explain Libby without her, at least not in any way that shows her story rather than annoyingly tells her story.”
I know many blame the writers on dropping a Libby mystery right before she was killed, but to me it seems like they really tried to weave in a story for her, but things got in the way or it didn't fit.
I agree with you on the idea that she got into the institution after she gave him the sailboat.
Great research there! I was going to use a couple of similar interview extracts that demonstrated how often they got asked this question about Libby, but I was worried I would be labouring the point lol. I think they regret not being able to work those backstory beats in there but, in the end, we didn't really need them. It just would have been nice for Libby's backstory to be canonically, and cleanly, tied off. I hope this video helps towards providing some closure for fans who never connected those dots themselves.
I distinctly remember Darlton saying in Season 4 they'd be Libby's backstory via the backstory(ies) of one or more characters. Clearly those were one of the plans for that season that were scrapped due to that damn WGA strike. 😔
They certainly had to drop multiple episodes they had planned as a result of that strike, including centric stories for the new arrivals from the freighter. I think Libby's backstory simply became less relevant to the overall direction of the show as things moved on and they could not work out a way of bringing it back around until the season six flashsideways.
There is a interview that was done between season 5 and season 6 where they said that they simply couldn't get Cynthia back to tell that story because they said she didn't want to come back or had scheduling conflicts. Maybe she decided to come back in season 6 because it was a different story rather than just filling in the blanks on her storyline.
They also confirmed that her story was pretty much already told as it's summarized here, that she had a breakdown after her husband died and went to Santa Rosa. They said there is a lot of little stuff that they had figured out to fill in the blanks but that overall it doesn't really matter to the overall story of the show.
@@drakenfist It was unfortunate that they didn't get to tell those missing pieces but I agree those beats weren't needed to explain her backstory.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 You brought up Ilana....I really hope you do a video on her, as I was way more disappointed that they didn't tell her story than Libby's, as I think Ilana's story was still important to the overall narrative of the show, and would have filled in the blanks on the issues with Jacob's cabin. My theory (which you may have already read on one of my comments on reddit) is that she is that she was conceived in Jacob's cabin. That Jacob fell in love with her mother, they stayed at the cabin for a time. The mother was either drawn to the island in some way, or was a other or a Dharma. I'm leaning towards that she came to the island and wasn't one of the other inhabitants on the island. My evidence for linking Ilana to the cabin is the way she looked at the cabin in the season 5 finale...it seemed like the place held meaning to her and she seemed sad when they burned it down (though she knew it had to be done). Teddy.
I will, at some point, do a video on Ilana. I agree that she has the more cryptic backstory but it seems the general fanbase is not as interested in her as they are with Libby. I think that's because the questions surrounding Libby's history were asked across a longer period across four more seasons. Whereas Ilana was a late introduction in season five and abruptly killed off during a point in the endgame when there were so many other things distracting us. A lot of people forget about her, or don't think that much more about her significance. However, like you, I find the mysteries surrounding her backstory far more compelling because we get almost nothing on her origins within the show beyond a couple of scenes and lines. I have a specific interpretation of who she is and what her probable backstory was, which I promise I shall someday unfurl on this channel :)
I'm in agreement with everything you say.
I just wanted to say that shows don't often have characters with the same name to avoid confusion
LOST is unusual in that it features multiple characters who share the same name or variations of. Some examples off the top of my head:
Charlie Pace and Charles Widmore.
Daniel Faraday, Dan Norton (Ben’s lawyer), and Daniel (Eko’s altar boy). Even Danielle Rousseau is a similar sounding first name.
Tom Friendly and Tom Brennan (Kate’s childhood love).
And then there are all the David’s! First there is Dave (imaginary friend) then there is David Reyes (Hurley’s dad), then David (Libby’s husband), and David Shepherd (Jack’s sideways son). And even Desmond’s second name is David.
I always quite liked the idea that the show had some commonly shared names, as that’s how it is in reality. Names like Tom and David and Daniel are everywhere.
The very episode title "Two for the Road" has been taken to at least imply a connection to the actresses DUIs.
15:00 Why did you say: "psychic abilities being hereditary" explains why Walt would have enhanced powers?
Wouldn't that mean that Walt's powers would be reduced (or equal, at best), since there's no indication that his mother had the abilities?
Well done. I am so excited when you uploaded a video about Libby's story. I am currently writing my own version of season 7 of Lost after the events of season 6. The first episode consists of flashbacks of Libby which revealed that Libby is actually Ilana's sister and Jacob's daughter and Libby and her husband travelled to the island and her husband was infected and then killed by the MIB. Jacob then tasked her with keeping an eye on Hurley in the mental institute as he believes Hurley might be his replacement and he told Libby that Hurley might be able to talk to her dead husband. Well I would have a flashback of Libby feeling shocked about the plane crash and how Jacob did things and decided to ditch him and help the survivors by giving them some sessions and the island decided to be done with her by providing her with her death by Michale . Her backstory would be that she was almost killed by the MIB and brought to the temple to be healed and she lost her memories and was forced to leave the island for her safety. I would also like to have Libby figuring out Goodwin as an other and warned him to stay away in another flashback of future episodes that I will write. I would also include a flashback of Richard trying to recruit Libby along with her friend Juliet which she declined. What do you think of my ideas?
I would love to see this episode that you write. It sounds very impresive and it would fit into the Lost Story. Keep it up and let me know if you do a Fan Lost episode 😃👍
Another interesting video, so thanks for that. One question. If we dismiss the idea that Michael saw the true ghost of Libby because he didn't possess any special power that would allow him to do so, can we also deduce that Jack's sighting of Christian at St Sebastian couldn't have been his father's true spirit for similar reasons?
Well, Jack is a different case to most. I think it is demonstrated on several occasions that Jack is indeed special, he's just in denial about it. He repressed it all. 'Stranger in a Strange Land' helps us to understand that "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us." Like Jacob.
Jack has some psychic sensitivity because he is a predestined island protector, just like Hurley (and arguably Walt). He is seen to be somewhat of a miracle worker as a surgeon and heals people, hence why some patients seek him out to do operations. Whether or not there is something supernatural at play is left relatively ambiguous, but Sarah's recovery from her paralysis was a remarkable feat of surgery.
Jack experiences his psychic sensitivity more noticeably on the island. Perhaps, like Hurley, he needed to be in closer proximity to The Source to unlock some of these latent abilities. He hears his father call to him via the old intercom in The Hydra in S3. But he chooses to write off such feelings and/or visions as hallucinations and, later, psychosis. Once he is off the island, just as this sensitivity is starting to glimmer through more and he sees Christian in the hospital, he self-medicates himself into oblivion. And I believe this suppresses his innate ability to commune with the island. So, to answer your question, I do believe that the Christian Jack sees at the hospital is really there and really Christian.
However, it is left ambiguous just like Michael's sightings of Libby. We can ascribe more meaning to these moments than simply hallucinations, but hallucinations do occur on LOST. Not everything is supernatural. As I've said before, sometimes a horse is just a horse.
To make things "worse", the smoke detector beeps in that scene 😄
Gotta love that
That was probably my favourite bit of foreshadowing from the whole show.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Hurley mentioned to Jack that someone will visit him. As we all know and agree, Hurley is communicating with ghosts. So, for sure it was not hallucination or MIB. Writers made this pretty clear I think. So I fully agree what you mentioned.
Great video as always! I enjoyed Libby's character so much. It still irks me when Sawyer tells Jack to get off "his" boat in season 6🙄
Jack sucks, and it was Sawyers boat as he was captain at the time.
Cynthia confesed about that DUI in a podcast.
she seemed to always had that wound not cured. So sad
I think the DUI was public knowledge soon after it happened. There were news reports about it at the time. As far as I am aware, Cynthia Watros has never claimed that she was fired as a result of that DUI.
Fiine, i’ll watch it all over again
He really missed a chance to say, "she was a sacrifice the show demanded."
😆
When I saw Libby in the nut house, stoned on drugs, I was afraid that maybe she only imagined the whole Lost island story. It was a really good suspenseful Lost moment for me. Like a real existential crisis, was it just her imagination? Was nothing real, like sometimes I think, is my life real at all? Are the characters of Lost just an imagination of Libby so they were never there? Which is a strange thought because in the end it's all fictional, maybe I take Lost too seriously xD.
I wonder if Dave, Hurley's "imaginary friend" was Libby's husband.
If you've ever needed ideas for new videos (if you can't think of anything left to explain), I've always thought a series explaining the backstories/stories of individual characters chronologically would be cool. For example, Jack from childhood (saving that kid) going all the way to when his eye closes and potentially through his (after)life in the Flash Sideways. I think you'd be the perfect guy to do it.
I wonder, when writers are penning the story, to what degree are they creating Vs uncovering all the treads and interactions of events?
I always thought Libby didn’t want Hurley to remember where he knew her from because it would be revealed that she was masquerading as a psychologist. Do we know the timeline on their stay at Santa Rosa? Did she actually become a psychologist after that?
Why would you assume she became a psychologist *after* Santa Rosa and not before?
I thought it was implied that she was NOT a psychologist at all, and she picked up any "knowledge" from being a patient.
Walt’s psychic capabilities are likely more extensive than Michael’s due to the fact that Walt is still a child with a very open and imaginative mind as where Michael, being grown and so far away from his childhood days, has shut out those abilities maybe to denial, y’know, saying “I didn’t really effect those things or see those things when I was kid, that was just a child’s imagination at work”. Could be something like that...
I'm glad so many others disliked Ana Lucias character, thought it was just me.
She is among the least liked characters on the show. I am one of the few who actually liked her lol!
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I guess I disliked her because she killed Shannon, and because she took Sayid's happiness and made him cold.
Yes. But to be honest she actually was a cool person, before she got shot in the womb. She had many reasons to become the person she became. It was just to us first time watchers it was very frustrating to see a character behave so unreasonable and toxic for no reason. Yeah she did bad things but yeah she's a lost character. She needs to be complicated
I'm pretty sure they would have tied her story up with a neater bow had it not been for the writers strike and shortening of Season 4. I can almost imagine them going down the Widmore root, and tying Libby to the freighter in some way, as they did with Michael. You could also assume they had already spoken to the actress about this, but as things changed her role in S4 was reduced to the incredibly small cameo appearances to Michael due to time constraints. It would make sense from a story telling perspective that Libby scenes would have been cut before anyone else's in S4, since she died so early on.
That really was a waste of food. Damn it, Hugo!
I always thought Libby gave Desmond the boat happened AFTER she got out of
Santa Rosa. Damn so it’s possible that Lostpedia got the timeline wrong about which happened first. The way I saw it was this happened after because upon her release from Santa Rosa I’d like to think she didn’t want anymore reminders of her late husband so she gave the boat away to Desmond as a way to cope to heal and not trigger another nervous breakdown.
Rewatching that scene between Hurley and Libby in the mental institution during the Season 6 flash-sideways filled in most of the blanks for me especially when she told him that she remembers seeing Hugo in the institution as well. I would like to think that was really Libby’s ghost haunting Michael the whispers any made it seem like it. Just like when Ghost of Boone came back through Locke’s visions and the ghosts Ana Lucia and Charlie directly visited Hugo.
One more thing to prove that Lost is genius.
I know this isn't related to this video:
But I would love a detailed look into who you think was the most important character on the show. Maybe the most simple answer is just Jacob
But Imo Desmond is the most influential character on the show
A strong argument can be made for Desmond, absolutely. Locke and Jack also.
Libby and Ana Lucia death scene is one of the most famous scenes of Lost. I loved the badass Ana Lucia and was unhappy with her death more than Libbys. However overall Ana Lucia was more of a background to the story. I think her character simply didn't fit in with the rest of the survivors which were more of soft and emotional characters than she was. Libbys death was sad because of Hurley. He didn't deserve that. They got the happy end in the afterlife though.
Hey you should do a video about penny's and widmore's relationship. Like how she knew to look for electromagnetic anomalies! Greetz LOST
That's a great video idea! I shall add it to the list. Thank you!
I think they meant for Libby to be working for Widmore making sure to keep an eye on special people like Hurley, kind of like Matthew Abadon.
That would explain why she had a boat suitable for an around the world race and just gave it to Desmond after a “chance” encounter paying for his coffee…
Forgive me if it was covered somewhere... The reason Libby didn't appear to Hurley.? (Acress probably wasnt available, there couldve been a way to do it though, someone seeing Hurley talking to nobody and he says its her) .. Maybe she didn't have anything she was holding onto? That can't be it..Maybe she wasn't at a certain spiritual plane? Although Anna could see her in spirit town.
It's possible that Libby came to Hurley after he became protector. He had many years in that role (and many years left of life) so I imagine that he might have communed with her once the dust had settled from the Island War.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Absolutely... That makes sense. Once Hurley had time to really understand his abilities and understanding how he can help the ones who were stuck, and everyone else in whichever realm they were in. Thank you. I will go with that.
1) I graduated from high school with Cynthia Watros. Nice girl. 2) I had always assumed Libby killed her husband, the boat had something to Di with it and that's why she gave it to Desmond.
According to the Lost Encyclopedia, Libby was on Santa Barbara Health Institute because of her husband's death.
Nice video 😍👌👌
So many shows don't handle mental health issues very well. I think _LOST_ handled it better than most.
Right now I am rewatching Lost and I have one question regarding Sawyer's past, as far as I remember no one knew that Sawyer killed a man in Sydney(otherwise why he isn't in jail?), but in the episode where others told Lock to kill his father, Richard gives him a folder about Sawyer's past where said that Sawyer killed a man in Sydney. Can you help me find the answer? Maybe I missed something? or is it plot hole?
The Others learned about the murder of Frank Duckett through their own research. Remember that they have an extensive off-island network all over the world. It is likely that they sought out Sawyer's known associates to gather intelligence on the man in order to know more about him. This most likely took place some time during the events of Season Two when they were plotting to take Sawyer with Jack and Kate.
During their intelligence gathering, they found his associate Hibbs (the man who gave Sawyer the bogus tip off about Duckett being "the real Sawyer"). Through Hibbs, The Others learned why Sawyer was in Australia: to find the man responsible for the death of his parents. A man named Frank Duckett. A bit more research would show that Duckett was shot dead the day before Oceanic 815 left the country. The Others put two and two together. That is one possible way they could have known.
Another way is that the police had already connected Sawyer to the murder scene in Sydney and he was wanted in questioning for the murder. Which means Sawyer was lucky to crash on the island when he did and be classified as legally dead. Had he made it back to the states he might have been arrested. However, I think the first scenario is the more likely option, simply because we know The Others did their research and sought out those connected to our Oceanic survivors. Ironically, Locke's Dad -- the real Sawyer -- being one such example.
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Oh it's really makes sense, thank you so much
Losing Ana Lucia and libby was such a bad move ... Great characters
*I'm surprised you didn't cover why she didn't visit Hurley after he started seeing dead people*
That would have been a nice extra detail to put in actually. I think we can deduce the reason. Because of the way time works within The Source (flash sideways), Libby is already with Hurley. Just like how Isabella tells Richard that they are already together since time does not matter in the realm of the dead. Libby's death gave Hurley a drive and motivation that might have diminished had she been summoned back from death to speak with him too soon. Also, we don't know what happened after he became protector. She could have visited him in later years. Hurley's gift was at an early stage of development.
Hello,
Thanks for this interesting video.
You say DAVE isn't the monster, but how can an imaginary being (in Hurley's head) send a coconut drown on Hurley ?
I don't take a strong stance on "Dave" either way. I think an argument could be made for both possibilities -- Hurley's subconscious or the smoke monster. Because we only ever see Dave from Hurley's subjective POV -- which is unreliable -- we can never be sure if what Hurley saw, felt and heard when he encountered Dave on the island was objective reality. It is left ambiguous. Had another character seen and touched Dave's slipper then it would have confirmed an objective reality to the audience. But no one except Hurley sees anything to do with Dave, so any of his tactile experiences with the manifestation remain unreliable.
oh yes, the slipper !
Liby says she hasn't seen a slipper.
Dave can't be the monster !
It's in Hurley's imagination.
Jacob touches Hurley just before his return to the island, so if Dave was the monster, he just had to push him, as Hurley wasn't protected !
Wait, the general consensus is that people disliked Ana Lucia? I personally really liked her.
No argument from me here. I really like Ana too. Yes, she's tough to like in those early few episodes because she is so antagonistic towards pre-established characters, but 'The Other 48 Days' changes all of that. She shows compassion, intelligence, leadership, resilience, whilst in the midst of pure chaos, terror and panic. I am always sorry to see her go in 'Two for the Road' every time I re-watch the series.
Maybe I can offer insight, since I don’t care for her (but with a show like Lost that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy her story or seeing her flashbacks, in fact, I really enjoy her flashbacks).
I just generally dislike her personality as a whole, it’s just a bad taste in my mouth. She’s far too trigger happy and this results in her killing Shannon, a character who is in my top 5 from seasons 1 and 2. She’s also a cop and while her backstory is done incredibly well, I just don’t like cops lol. And just when I was starting to kind of like her, she says “you, gay?” to Sawyer just because he, what, doesn’t want to get in her pants right that second? Ack. I would not be on team Ana if I were a Lostie, that’s all. But hey she’s not nearly as annoying as Charlie or Zoe.
How are so many of these actors getting DUIs
I wonder why libby never came back to talk to Hugo after she died
It's possible that Libby came to Hurley after he became protector. He had many years in that role (and many years left of life) so I imagine that he might have communed with her once the dust had settled from the Island War. It's also worth noting that in the afterlife, time has no meaning and Libby is with Hurley there. It's like Isabella communicates to Richard in 'Ab Aeterno': "My love. We are already together."
They were the sacrifices the island demanded
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Libby Said she was a clinical psychologist, we don't know if that was actually true or not. We know only that she was under the care of clinical psychologists. She could have just been faking it. Then again we all know that half of all psych majors are just trying to figure out their own problems.
LOL, yes that is very true!
An American Wildmore and black widow stalking Hurley.
"....Micheal?" Libby's best scene.
What's with the bad audio in some of your clips? Sound AI generated or something. Great channel otherwise.
When I first started the channel I didn’t have any recording equipment and had to use a text to speech voice. After a while, the channel became more successful but people complained about the quality of the audio. So, I invested in a microphone and re-recorded and remade pretty much every video. Basically, every video from the pregnancy crisis onwards uses my real voice. And the series entitled The Theory of Everything covers the content of all of these previous text to speech videos, in much greater depth too.
Michael does see Christian on the freighter though and it couldn't have been the Man in Black because he can't travel over water without a boat or leave that island.
I explain this particular event in my video on "Ghosts and Apparitions". I think it absolutely is the Man in Black (for a multitude of reasons) and it's worth watching the section of the video to hear the evidence and reasoning: ua-cam.com/video/bKz9i2sU4Uo/v-deo.html
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I'm new to the channel and haven't seen that video yet, so I'll have a look at that.
Hurley should have ended up with Libby in the ending. Don’t care if he had to save the world.
He does end up with her in the end though. Or do you mean Libby should have never died and they should have had a relationship throughout the show?
Watros was ultra sexy on the show. Bad move killing her character.
You are too cavalier to dismiss the "conspiracy theory" that Libby was killed of because of actress dui. Sure the actors playing Jin and Sawyer also had run in with the law but they are lead actors and Jacob candidates which gives them plot armor. The show runners are much like forgiving about side characters. The shock factor of Libby getting killed off is just an added bonus
I don't often get accused of being "cavalier" about anything lol. It's a conspiracy theory for a reason, because it remains unproven and simply fans connecting some rumour mill dots. Perhaps the showrunners would have cause to lie about the reasons as to why they killed off certain characters but the actors playing them are not bound by the same need to protect the narrative, as seen with Rebecca Mader and Harold Perrineau in past interviews in which they spoke out about behind the scenes stuff. Cynthia Watros, Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Michelle Rodriguez could have easily contradicted the official story and confirmed the conspiracy theory. But literally no one from the show ever gave any weight to the DUI thing. It's just coincidence in a few cases, which was later refuted fairly well by the fact other actors did not get killed off. I know you argue that Daniel Dae Kim and Josh Holloway had bigger roles, but that means nothing if there is pressure from a network to fire actors (big leads get sacked all of the time and are not protected from the axe -- see 'Castle', 'Grey's Anatomy', 'Two and a Half Men', etc.) And if the local police authorities were demanding that these DUI offenders were to be deported and kicked out of Oahu then both Kim and Holloway would have been gone also. Either way, it just doesn't add up.
I misread Libby as "Lubby".
What I get for reading without my glasses.
Aside from the writer's crisis, this shows how bad consequences can be when producers do not know the course of the story they are telling. They don't know where the stories will connect, so they make random choices. This leaves many question marks. I wish we had the chance to watch a more compact version in which all the shortcomings were completed by artificial intelligence or some other means.
Ana Lucia was, by far, my least favorite character on the show.
I think hurly Dave is base off Libby David. I think David got sick like Libby said and wanted to go sailing before he dies. When the incident on the dock happened think maybe someone said to hurly that he was to fat to go on and maybe David got pissed about the comment and told hurly he was fine and told the other person off, than didn’t really talk on the dock. There for hurly wouldn’t know what David personality is like except that he doesn’t care if hurly is fat and has that rough sound in his voice due to him being annoyed that someone called him fat. Maybe David introduce him self as David and hurly assumed he would be nick named dave or he did go by dave but Libby calls ham David
And hurly see dave cause he feels guilty
the writers are horrible
Yet they managed to write one of the most successful and widely discussed television shows of all time and set the gold standard for serialised TV going forward.
@LOST EXPLAINED still one of the worst shows when it comes to characters development and kill off
Are you complaining about Libby specifically? Most characters in LOST got rich, complete character arcs and had effective death scenes. There are only one or two that I personally found a bit abrupt and unsatisfying. But to call the whole show the worst and the writers horrible because you didn’t like some of the deaths is a bit of a dramatic overstatement.
@LOST EXPLAINED can someone pass an opinion without u arguing and talking back try to change my opinion if u don't like my opinion don't make videos about anything cause people will criticize and say what they think the show u can't control people's opinions and u never will and I think you older than me so grow up... I hate how the writers had big egos and killed characters like Ana Lucia cause the audience hated her cause she's not mallow like the other girls and they had to kill Libby so ana death will be more effective that's fucked up and then they killed other characters without any reason just for the shock value and kept the white man doctor Jack the most boring character on tv around as the Hero ... so don't give me its one of the written shows cause it could've been but they fucked it up in the last 2 seasons storyline after storyline and new characters like they tried to replace the ones who they killed off and in the last season they brought them all back cause they need ratings to get up and it left a bad taste in people mouth already ... it sane thing happened to Heros they kept killing off characters and brought new characters and forced storyline that people didn't care about and ratings dropped
Hold on a second, you sought my content out. I didn’t come knocking on your door and being rude to you. If you just came here to do hit and run negative comments and not expect me to challenge them then you’re the one posting in bad faith. If you’re so confident in your view that the show sucks in some way then you should be able to defend your position without clutching at your pearls. This is my channel and I put a lot of work into these videos. If someone wants to challenge my own views and ideas then I welcome the debate and conversation as evidenced by the literal hundreds of positive and fruitful interactions I’ve had on here. Your criticisms are subjective, you’re not above being challenged on that. And it seems you can’t even reply without swearing and making it personal. The only one acting immature and insecure about their opinions here is you. Don’t comment if you can’t handle a response that disagrees with your assessment. You’re a guest on my channel. Either be open and polite and debate your opinions in good faith or don’t comment at all.