I watched Moe's videos years ago and since I had not goofled in about 7 years I chose Moe's technique and did well hitting it straight. I am going study it more so I can enjoy the game again!
Tried this today at the range. My contact improved way more than I ever expected. Even toe mishits on my driver and irons reduced my slices down to a reasonable fade. Stoked to get out on the course.
This is brilliant, I've always been told to close the gap between index and thumb, and this tip actually frees up the grip pressure and allows the swing more freely
I’ve tried the gap in the grip and it was a missing link for me.. the feeling of greatness is in that gap. I don’t know why but I believe it’s very important to the swing. Thanks 👍
I did not find this blog confusing Tod, I thought it was one of your better blogs/explanation of Moe's grip! Watching Moe's old video's and seeing him following through to his intended target got me wondering how he could do that time and time again - Your explanation of the arm being isolated has switched the light on that follow through! Many thanks! ps - I have not played for over 6 months, but hoping to get back to the game soon!
The most interesting thing I take from Moe Norman's grip is that he used the ten finger grip, no interlocking or overlapping. The space between his thumb and the grip appears to be a personal quirk in his grip. It sort of falls under the heading of "whatever works". In my 65+ years of playing golf, I used all the different grips and finally settled on the ten finger grip, again it just goes by whatever works.
Everyone does the interlock with pinky. I had that grip 2 years. Now I started to try 10 finger like moe and I feel more confident in my swing I think less and just hit the ball and I feel it goes straighter.
I became familiar with your teaching method and Moe Norman’s swing while working at Broad Run Golf in Bristow, VA from 2008 - 2011 and playing there another five years as a member where pros Dave and Clay both taught the single plane swing. I was retired, working in the pro shop then as a starter/marshal and taking full advantage of the perk of getting unlimited range balls and golf rounds. I decided to work through Ben Hogan’s Five Lessons to re-tool the ‘Golf My Way’ Nicklaus style swing and also tried the single plane method I observed Dave and Clay teaching and using. Then I also stumbled across Harry Frankenberg (Count Yoyi) as a result of reading the George Peper book ‘The Secret of Golf’ which featured him in the last chapter of the book as ‘The World’s Greatest Golfer You Never Heard of’ and I tried to also emulate and learn from his odd swing style. The fact that Hogan, Norman and Frankenberg all were noted for is an uncanny ability to hit dead straight shots intrigued me and made me search for how each of them did it with swing styles and grips which on the surface looked radically different. But what I found is that all three employed the same mechanical principles and use of efficient use of body and clubhead mass and momentum and all three used a grip method and release of radial deviation lag through impact which momentarily locked the wrists with face square to the target just as the compressed ball flew off the face due to the way they moved their legs and hips to 45° open and keeping them there until releasing the back foot just as the ball flew off the face. One of the keys was how their grips, though different, created symmetrical wrist action and turning over of the club after impact to keep it on a the same balanced swing path it was on in the downswing.
@@treymclaughlin2804 Can’t say I got any better with single plane, but I didn’t stay with it long enough to get comfortable with the difference in grip.
yep. the grip is a major key to a better and control golf swing. You do not want flimsy hands. A stabilization in your wrist and your fingers. No doubt Moe's grip was solid. He was pure golf striker.
@Nordman I was in the same boat. Not scratch but working towards it. Im just glad @toddgraves was dedicated to Moe and continues to provide great instruction
@@ToddGravesGolf I have a question for you: During my adaption to single plane golf, I have discovered that my new "bad" shots are thin hits on the toe. Maybe I am overcompensating in trying to create enough room for the swing, and maybe I am standing too far away from the ball? Anyway, I can live with a few thin (but straight!) hits as long as I can avoid my brutal pull/hook that bothered me for 10+ years.
Man I wish your videos had been around when I tried Natural Golf back in the 90’s. I took lessons from a couple of the Natural Golf instructors but I never really succeeded at it due to multiple missing pieces that I realized years later that the instructors simply lacked knowledge about. I recall asking some technician questions to the instructors and was either rebuffed for “overthinking” or was given a scripted response that totally failed to answer my question. Unfortunately I am now retired from golf due to chronic bad back. I truly hope your teaching teaches teaches many younger players and helps them find real success to truly enjoy this wonderful game.
Todd: Watched the entire video., but there wasn't a close-up of the left hand position with the thumb and since that's the point of the video I was disappointed. I've always been taught that the left hand's thumb is slightly to the right of center. The video and your explanation shows the thumb on top of the club.
Moe's grip is incredibly brilliant! With the club running down the lifeline of my trail hand instead of the fingers, my right hand naturally rotates to the palm up position when swinging back, without any manipulation at all. The clubshaft is perfectly on plane and the clubhead feels as light as a feather. Swinging down naturally squares the clubface, again, with no hand manipulation at all. I am in complete control of the club at all times with no effort!
I get that you need to explore new ideas for content in order to keep these instructional videos fresh. This video is way to complex to be of value to me and, I suspect, other average golfers. Keep it simple. I don’t know if anyone has benefited more than me from watching the Graves Golf videos. I am 75 and my game has improved by a dozen strokes in the last 14 months! My game has improved so much that on just the right lucky day I will soon be able to shoot my age. Graves Golf and the single plane swing are responsible. Thanks so much.
Now just one more thing for me to ck 😂 love the content Todd. Hoping Ill get to do a 1 day or a 3 day school next year. Being a disabled Veteran makes thing tight but working on securing being able to secure a spot when next year’s schedule comes available. So glad Moe had someone so dedicated!
Todd, would you consider not using the word "pull"?? (its a question) why? because Hogan in his book put pressure on the last 3 fingers of the left hand squeezing them so they would go downward, which started the club to be square. When you pull the longer the club the harder it is to square up, especially for people who have tension in their arms! Why not a phrase (its a question) back handing the ball? That way the back of the left hand will begin to square up right from the get go. When you begin at the top to square up the "left ELBOW" is then pointed down, instead of pulling and the elbow goes to the target which in most cases for people they will be "late" delivering the club head! IF you start with the reference point on the "LEFT" side as you teach and then return it, I conclude there is not a pull, but a "squaring" up! ...... The reason I suggest is that IAM a one planner based upon YOUR teaching and when I shadow box and actually swing I never pull , but "square up" back to the reference point on the left of my side! Thank you and appreciate what you do for the world of GOLF!
I like how your visual of pulling the club face flat, (I’m a former baseball hitter) but then at the bottom your saying that it’s not timing or a flip, but more of a full release backhand. It’s easy for me to just want to pull it thru, which if I don’t backhand release obviously it’s a slice. Thx,
So in other words grip configuration and strength can contort your shots in a bad way if I'm hearing you right. I believe this because I've noticed just gripping too tightly with my follow hand throws my shots off. I'll give the gap a try and see if I get better consistency, thanks.
His two handed grip was no secret. Dave Barr also used it. Nicklaus used an interlocking grip, Tiger and Snead overlapping. I think I will go with them.
I have a super strong lead hand and I was trying to weaken it, but it felt horrible. Then I realized it's because if you weaken the lead hand without repositioning where the grip of the club is, it sits in the middle of your palm. Seems like you have to move it so that it's in the pads at the base of the fingers. No one ever mentions this as far as I've heard, so for people with strong grips this is important to let them know.
Love videos on small setup nuances. Todd, so you're saying have a gap between thumb and index finger on lead hand? I struggle with getting the face too shut during the swing.
Well, this certainly helps to explain my too frequent pulls and hooks caused by that closed club face DESPITE having my lead hand positioned correctly. When I squeeze with the 3 small fingers of the lead hand and the thumb and forefinger of the trail hand, the shots are straight and full. Nice to know how to relate this all together. Thanks, Todd. The best, as always.
I had the same issue, hooks with the lead hand set correctly. UNTIL I did 2 things. Todd had a POV youtibe with the arms where he ask "am I moving the arms or are the arms moving" question. Look that up. That set off a light bulb in my Single Plane swing mind - he's right...turn the body while keeping the whole arms structure at Position 2 quiet gives me the Magic Move. LUV IT 👍 Then Part 2 is my right hand. I moved away from the overlap grip to a 10 finger, coupled with having the shaft go up my lifeline of my right palm. "Not in the fingers" as Moe said. This really allowed me to feel total connection and I feel I am setting my wrists at Position 2. The "old way" of overlap and the shaft in the right hand fingers gave me a more left hand bias so I was all over the place. Now, I feel integrated connection with both hands using the 10 finger and shaft thru the right palm life line. I was so looking to see if Todd went there with the right hand explanation in this video but it's mainly left hand. That's cool. My chipping and pitching is through the roof with the 10 finger & right palm life line. Give that a shot...
there is that Natural Golf ten finger grip on Moe here....another former Natural Golf instructor says Moe did not play in his hay day with a ten finger grip only for Natural Golf demos....
its both a pull (downswing where torso pulls the arms) to a skipping motion - trial (side of body and trail arm skip a rock) in the through swing motion.
hey todd my lead arm(left) wrist has limited movement due to an injury and it cant fully rotate to a square(flat) back hand when i isolate the shoulder therefore making it hard to return the club square at impact. (i struggle with an open face) Is there a way to help with this?
I think you can figure out where you full range of motion is with the wrist / hand and place it in that position square to the face. That is what I suggest. Best to see a video of your swing to know for sure. If your interested in some coaching, Email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com. Thank you.
@@ToddGravesGolf hey Todd thanks for the response. Took it to the course along with the grip pressure change and hit it very well. Love the system of the single plane swing. Thanks again
No. Moe never had a baseball grip (Thumb on the side of the club). He used an overlapping grip from 1940 to 1994 and a ten-finger grip from 1994 to 2004.
I can't help but bow my wrist from the top like Morikawa. If I let the face plane at the top and through transition like Todd says, I can only hit it with the face open or the shaft flipping.
@@ToddGravesGolf I'd love to do so. It would be great to hear your ideas on what's going on here. I have a feeling lots of people are stuck at this problem. How do I send a video? Would you wanna see DTL? Face on?
@@philwells2920 Phil. Next week I am launching a "Free Swing" review program. If you email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com, I will send you a link. We would like to see a Down the Line view. If you could give me some feedback on the program, it would be very helpful.
Years ago I had an old pro place my hands on the club and I could smash the ball. But I neglected to really study what he did and after a short while I lost it and unfortunately he fell ill from cancer and passed on before I could access him again.
I’m playing to a 10.5 using Todd’s teaching. Just went to a SPE class last week and had two of my best ball striking days. Still have work to do but now know exactly what to work on.
@@ToddGravesGolf go to the photo you keep showing at 1:55 into the video. What grip is that? Not interlocked. Not overlapped. All 4 fingers of each hand are on the club.
You can literally just keep your lead arm straight, and use the dominant hand to control it. Grip can be anything that is comfortable. There is no "exact" or "perfect" for everyone. You're overthinking boyca
@@ToddGravesGolf so in his mid 50s he switched. That's probably about the average age of the golfers that try the swing. I was just wondering if you knew why? As good as he was he changed his grip.
Based on following and watching Todd's UA-cams for years now, I don't think Todd's model "dismiss" the 10 finger grip. His model has to be based on 1 grip so it's the overlap, probably because of the success Moe had earlier on the Tour. There are, still, many UA-cam where Todd talks about the overlap and 10 finger. I personally use 10 finger and the shaft through the right palm life line per Moe with great success and because, more importantly, I get better integration and connection of both hands FINALLY working together. That's my tweak from Todd's model & my grips are set based on Todd's grip size recommendation (+3 extra tape)...don't forget that...
@@pgowan357 I don't think that Moe's grip "change" was as significant as many propose. I spent 10 years watching him hit balls with both pinky positions. Moving the trail hand .5 inches down on the club and not changing the hand rotation is really not significant at all yet people make too much of a deal out of palm grip and then start running into problems.
@@ToddGravesGolf I tried the overlap grip for a full season and it did have an effect, never felt right. I switched to a 10 finger palm grip with bigger grips and it made a world of difference. I was just asking because I have seen others with similar issues.
It sounds complicated because the way your explaining it is complicated. You could have gotten to the point with way less talk. Keep It Simple! Grip pressure can be the killer of even a swing that is on plane! So how do you explain grip pressure? The best description I have ever gotten in a lesson was, when you take a pet bird out of the cage, you hold it not to harm it but just enough to net let it fly away, No tension in both forearms. This is what I call Click-Bait Golf teaching!
How can something be click-bait. It was free. You watched it. I didn't try to sell you anything. Funny how you give instruction for free and people still complain.
Baseball. Again, Moe never had the lead thumb on the side of the club. Cant figure out why people call it a baseball grip. This video is about the lead thumb and its not baseball.
I watched Moe's videos years ago and since I had not goofled in about 7 years I chose Moe's technique and did well hitting it straight.
I am going study it more so I can enjoy the game again!
Tried this today at the range. My contact improved way more than I ever expected. Even toe mishits on my driver and irons reduced my slices down to a reasonable fade. Stoked to get out on the course.
This is brilliant, I've always been told to close the gap between index and thumb, and this tip actually frees up the grip pressure and allows the swing more freely
I’ve tried the gap in the grip and it was a missing link for me.. the feeling of greatness is in that gap. I don’t know why but I believe it’s very important to the swing. Thanks 👍
I did not find this blog confusing Tod, I thought it was one of your better blogs/explanation of Moe's grip! Watching Moe's old video's and seeing him following through to his intended target got me wondering how he could do that time and time again - Your explanation of the arm being isolated has switched the light on that follow through! Many thanks! ps - I have not played for over 6 months, but hoping to get back to the game soon!
The most interesting thing I take from Moe Norman's grip is that he used the ten finger grip, no interlocking or overlapping. The space between his thumb and the grip appears to be a personal quirk in his grip. It sort of falls under the heading of "whatever works". In my 65+ years of playing golf, I used all the different grips and finally settled on the ten finger grip, again it just goes by whatever works.
Moe’s best golf / and all career wins were with overlapping grip.
Everyone does the interlock with pinky. I had that grip 2 years. Now I started to try 10 finger like moe and I feel more confident in my swing I think less and just hit the ball and I feel it goes straighter.
I became familiar with your teaching method and Moe Norman’s swing while working at Broad Run Golf in Bristow, VA from 2008 - 2011 and playing there another five years as a member where pros Dave and Clay both taught the single plane swing. I was retired, working in the pro shop then as a starter/marshal and taking full advantage of the perk of getting unlimited range balls and golf rounds. I decided to work through Ben Hogan’s Five Lessons to re-tool the ‘Golf My Way’ Nicklaus style swing and also tried the single plane method I observed Dave and Clay teaching and using. Then I also stumbled across Harry Frankenberg (Count Yoyi) as a result of reading the George Peper book ‘The Secret of Golf’ which featured him in the last chapter of the book as ‘The World’s Greatest Golfer You Never Heard of’ and I tried to also emulate and learn from his odd swing style. The fact that Hogan, Norman and Frankenberg all were noted for is an uncanny ability to hit dead straight shots intrigued me and made me search for how each of them did it with swing styles and grips which on the surface looked radically different. But what I found is that all three employed the same mechanical principles and use of efficient use of body and clubhead mass and momentum and all three used a grip method and release of radial deviation lag through impact which momentarily locked the wrists with face square to the target just as the compressed ball flew off the face due to the way they moved their legs and hips to 45° open and keeping them there until releasing the back foot just as the ball flew off the face. One of the keys was how their grips, though different, created symmetrical wrist action and turning over of the club after impact to keep it on a the same balanced swing path it was on in the downswing.
Did you get better doing the single plane swing.
@@treymclaughlin2804 Can’t say I got any better with single plane, but I didn’t stay with it long enough to get comfortable with the difference in grip.
I started golfing 6 months ago and my swing is better then half the guys I know that play. Amazing content keep it up please Todd.
yep. the grip is a major key to a better and control golf swing. You do not want flimsy hands. A stabilization in your wrist and your fingers. No doubt Moe's grip was solid. He was pure golf striker.
I was about to quit playing until I found your channel. After struggeling for 15 years, Im back at scratch.
Makes my day to hear that. Thank you.
@Nordman I was in the same boat. Not scratch but working towards it. Im just glad @toddgraves was dedicated to Moe and continues to provide great instruction
@@ToddGravesGolf I have a question for you: During my adaption to single plane golf, I have discovered that my new "bad" shots are thin hits on the toe. Maybe I am overcompensating in trying to create enough room for the swing, and maybe I am standing too far away from the ball? Anyway, I can live with a few thin (but straight!) hits as long as I can avoid my brutal pull/hook that bothered me for 10+ years.
@@SAVAGEROAMER I heard you are a vet, thx for your service, man! I´m in my final phase, 35 years in the Swedish Army. Take care bro!
Man I wish your videos had been around when I tried Natural Golf back in the 90’s. I took lessons from a couple of the Natural Golf instructors but I never really succeeded at it due to multiple missing pieces that I realized years later that the instructors simply lacked knowledge about. I recall asking some technician questions to the instructors and was either rebuffed for “overthinking” or was given a scripted response that totally failed to answer my question. Unfortunately I am now retired from golf due to chronic bad back. I truly hope your teaching teaches teaches many younger players and helps them find real success to truly enjoy this wonderful game.
*teaching REACHES…
Thanks Dan.
Todd: Watched the entire video., but there wasn't a close-up of the left hand position with the thumb and since that's the point of the video I was disappointed. I've always been taught that the left hand's thumb is slightly to the right of center. The video and your explanation shows the thumb on top of the club.
Moe's grip is incredibly brilliant! With the club running down the lifeline of my trail hand instead of the fingers, my right hand naturally rotates to the palm up position when swinging back, without any manipulation at all. The clubshaft is perfectly on plane and the clubhead feels as light as a feather. Swinging down naturally squares the clubface, again, with no hand manipulation at all.
I am in complete control of the club at all times with no effort!
I get that you need to explore new ideas for content in order to keep these instructional videos fresh. This video is way to complex to be of value to me and, I suspect, other average golfers. Keep it simple. I don’t know if anyone has benefited more than me from watching the Graves Golf videos. I am 75 and my game has improved by a dozen strokes in the last 14 months! My game has improved so much that on just the right lucky day I will soon be able to shoot my age. Graves Golf and the single plane swing are responsible. Thanks so much.
I put out what helped me. Complex or not, I just like to share my discoveries. Some students will be ready for this, some might not.
Oversimplification is complication. If something is complex, it must be explained appropriately and thoroughly. Otherwise, the explanation is hurtful.
Now just one more thing for me to ck 😂 love the content Todd. Hoping Ill get to do a 1 day or a 3 day school next year. Being a disabled Veteran makes thing tight but working on securing being able to secure a spot when next year’s schedule comes available. So glad Moe had someone so dedicated!
Long Left Thumb seems to be one of those secrets in golf a lot of people plain hid
Todd, would you consider not using the word "pull"?? (its a question) why? because Hogan in his book put pressure on the last 3 fingers of the left hand squeezing them so they would go downward, which started the club to be square. When you pull the longer the club the harder it is to square up, especially for people who have tension in their arms! Why not a phrase (its a question) back handing the ball? That way the back of the left hand will begin to square up right from the get go. When you begin at the top to square up the "left ELBOW" is then pointed down, instead of pulling and the elbow goes to the target which in most cases for people they will be "late" delivering the club head! IF you start with the reference point on the "LEFT" side as you teach and then return it, I conclude there is not a pull, but a "squaring" up! ...... The reason I suggest is that IAM a one planner based upon YOUR teaching and when I shadow box and actually swing I never pull , but "square up" back to the reference point on the left of my side! Thank you and appreciate what you do for the world of GOLF!
I like how your visual of pulling the club face flat, (I’m a former baseball hitter) but then at the bottom your saying that it’s not timing or a flip, but more of a full release backhand.
It’s easy for me to just want to pull it thru, which if I don’t backhand release obviously it’s a slice.
Thx,
So in other words grip configuration and strength can contort your shots in a bad way if I'm hearing you right.
I believe this because I've noticed just gripping too tightly with my follow hand throws my shots off.
I'll give the gap a try and see if I get better consistency, thanks.
Hard to understand where the gap is. Could you do another video on this? Thank you.
Place the lead hand correctly on the club and there will be a gap. Ill do another video soon.
It would have been better with some close ups on the grip and hands. Moe explained it very simple. You made it more complex when it is not.
What is the tool you have laid in front of you to line up to address the ball?
Thanks Todd for your helpful review! Always very informative and I always learn. It really helps! Jack
Happy to help!
I like it. I think 2:57 will be very helpful to me.
Thank you!!
BTW, you’re finish is just like your mentor’s
Glad to hear that!
His two handed grip was no secret. Dave Barr also used it. Nicklaus used an interlocking grip, Tiger and Snead overlapping. I think I will go with them.
Looks like Moe takes the Thumb out of the swing near that point of finishing? so it's all in the fingers of the lead hand?
I have a super strong lead hand and I was trying to weaken it, but it felt horrible. Then I realized it's because if you weaken the lead hand without repositioning where the grip of the club is, it sits in the middle of your palm. Seems like you have to move it so that it's in the pads at the base of the fingers. No one ever mentions this as far as I've heard, so for people with strong grips this is important to let them know.
I mention it in every grip video I show the lead hand.
Love videos on small setup nuances. Todd, so you're saying have a gap between thumb and index finger on lead hand? I struggle with getting the face too shut during the swing.
Yes this will help you
Way way way too complicated. I'm completely baffled and my brain is frazzled. I literally haven't got a clue what the actual teaching was in that.
Moe used a palm grip. If you use too much of a fingers grip you’ll end up cupping on your back swing.
Well, this certainly helps to explain my too frequent pulls and hooks caused by that closed club face DESPITE having my lead hand positioned correctly. When I squeeze with the 3 small fingers of the lead hand and the thumb and forefinger of the trail hand, the shots are straight and full. Nice to know how to relate this all together. Thanks, Todd. The best, as always.
I had same problem. Let me know it goes when you start feeling it correctly.
@@ToddGravesGolf Men's league game tomorrow, I will keep you advised. :)
I had the same issue, hooks with the lead hand set correctly. UNTIL I did 2 things. Todd had a POV youtibe with the arms where he ask "am I moving the arms or are the arms moving" question. Look that up. That set off a light bulb in my Single Plane swing mind - he's right...turn the body while keeping the whole arms structure at Position 2 quiet gives me the Magic Move. LUV IT 👍
Then Part 2 is my right hand. I moved away from the overlap grip to a 10 finger, coupled with having the shaft go up my lifeline of my right palm. "Not in the fingers" as Moe said. This really allowed me to feel total connection and I feel I am setting my wrists at Position 2. The "old way" of overlap and the shaft in the right hand fingers gave me a more left hand bias so I was all over the place. Now, I feel integrated connection with both hands using the 10 finger and shaft thru the right palm life line.
I was so looking to see if Todd went there with the right hand explanation in this video but it's mainly left hand. That's cool.
My chipping and pitching is through the roof with the 10 finger & right palm life line. Give that a shot...
@@albylongballboarder what’s the name of the video
@@albertgonzales1174 ua-cam.com/video/EpkeZgArQ6Q/v-deo.html
That does explain why I've been pulling the ball constantly.
Todd do you pull through with the lead side or right side or both .tia
Start of downswing. - pull with left. After pull - release right side
there is that Natural Golf ten finger grip on Moe here....another former Natural Golf instructor says Moe did not play in his hay day with a ten finger grip only for Natural Golf demos....
Thanks Todd for your helpful information! I know grip is so important and I have to constantly remind myself to do it properly.
Glad it was helpful!
TMI bro maybe you could of just put a close up of your grip and thumb
Hey 2 yrs in love you giys gold member. Should i use a pulling motion? Ive been hitting more with my right side with mixed results . Thank you
its both a pull (downswing where torso pulls the arms) to a skipping motion - trial (side of body and trail arm skip a rock) in the through swing motion.
Thanks for replying always more to refine thats why the model is so fn awsome. Have a great day!
hey todd my lead arm(left) wrist has limited movement due to an injury and it cant fully rotate to a square(flat) back hand when i isolate the shoulder therefore making it hard to return the club square at impact. (i struggle with an open face) Is there a way to help with this?
I think you can figure out where you full range of motion is with the wrist / hand and place it in that position square to the face. That is what I suggest. Best to see a video of your swing to know for sure. If your interested in some coaching, Email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com. Thank you.
@@ToddGravesGolf hey Todd thanks for the response. Took it to the course along with the grip pressure change and hit it very well. Love the system of the single plane swing. Thanks again
Only thing I notice from that picture of Moe's grip was that 10 finger baseball grip look?🤔
No. Moe never had a baseball grip (Thumb on the side of the club). He used an overlapping grip from 1940 to 1994 and a ten-finger grip from 1994 to 2004.
If you can’t explain it simply then you don’t understand it yourself…
I can't help but bow my wrist from the top like Morikawa. If I let the face plane at the top and through transition like Todd says, I can only hit it with the face open or the shaft flipping.
Phil. It would be good to see a video of your swing. Would you be willing to send a video in for a review?
@@ToddGravesGolf I'd love to do so. It would be great to hear your ideas on what's going on here. I have a feeling lots of people are stuck at this problem. How do I send a video? Would you wanna see DTL? Face on?
@@philwells2920 Phil. Next week I am launching a "Free Swing" review program. If you email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com, I will send you a link. We would like to see a Down the Line view. If you could give me some feedback on the program, it would be very helpful.
@@ToddGravesGolf absolutely, I'll get the video to you asap.
all good but what is the ideal grip? neutral or strong?
The ideal grip matches body position / arm position with position of hands. Strong and weak are inappropriate terms to describe the grip.
Funny! Moe always made fun of everyone complicating the game. He would say golf is an easy game. Here we are complicating the game.
Years ago I had an old pro place my hands on the club and I could smash the ball. But I neglected to really study what he did and after a short while I lost it and unfortunately he fell ill from cancer and passed on before I could access him again.
Great videos -i have trouble seeing detail. It could be me. Or higher quality video
If you look at Freddy Couples grip at impact he almost one hands it and very loose with it … just an observation
Like skipping rocks.
Looks like the hockey grip.
Can anyone play under 90 who has learned this method. All the principles seems common sense. Just wondering if anyone has had great success. Thanks.
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I’m playing to a 10.5 using Todd’s teaching. Just went to a SPE class last week and had two of my best ball striking days. Still have work to do but now know exactly what to work on.
I'm a 2 handicap
Todd golf is already very complicated please lets keep things simple
he has no short or simple videos. all are long, complicated and very wordy. his speaking style is a real challenge to listen to.
Not at all is perfect 🎉🎉
Thats also a product of a baseball grip like he used.
Moe Never Used a baseball grip where the thumb is on the side of the club shaft. Never.
@@ToddGravesGolf go to the photo you keep showing at 1:55 into the video. What grip is that? Not interlocked. Not overlapped. All 4 fingers of each hand are on the club.
10 finger (Moe) is not baseball.
I feel like with this I’m skying it and hooking it. Why is that?
Would you be wiling to send a video of your swing in for a review?
@@ToddGravesGolf most definitely, let me know when and to where!👍🏽
If you are teaching a Moe Norman's style golf swing wouldn't you say tug and stead of pull🤔
Not if I'm the one teaching...lol.
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Do you think you could be a little more complicated Todd?
It’s simple to me. I Just answer the many questions I get asked.
You can literally just keep your lead arm straight, and use the dominant hand to control it. Grip can be anything that is comfortable. There is no "exact" or "perfect" for everyone. You're overthinking boyca
No. Grip can not be anything that is comfortable. You obviously do not teach.
I feel you’re investing non existent stuff here. Not good!
What does “investing non existing stuff” mean?
Moe used a 10 finger grip.why does your model dismiss that?
Because he overlapped for every tournament he played - and won. He used overlap from 1940 to 1994. He used 10 finger from 1994 to 2004. That’s why.
@@ToddGravesGolf so in his mid 50s he switched. That's probably about the average age of the golfers that try the swing. I was just wondering if you knew why? As good as he was he changed his grip.
Based on following and watching Todd's UA-cams for years now, I don't think Todd's model "dismiss" the 10 finger grip. His model has to be based on 1 grip so it's the overlap, probably because of the success Moe had earlier on the Tour. There are, still, many UA-cam where Todd talks about the overlap and 10 finger. I personally use 10 finger and the shaft through the right palm life line per Moe with great success and because, more importantly, I get better integration and connection of both hands FINALLY working together. That's my tweak from Todd's model & my grips are set based on Todd's grip size recommendation (+3 extra tape)...don't forget that...
@@pgowan357 I don't think that Moe's grip "change" was as significant as many propose. I spent 10 years watching him hit balls with both pinky positions. Moving the trail hand .5 inches down on the club and not changing the hand rotation is really not significant at all yet people make too much of a deal out of palm grip and then start running into problems.
@@ToddGravesGolf I tried the overlap grip for a full season and it did have an effect, never felt right. I switched to a 10 finger palm grip with bigger grips and it made a world of difference. I was just asking because I have seen others with similar issues.
I am reasonably intelligent but you have completely confused me. Sorry but you REALLY need to simplify your explanation.
This might be as simple as I can get it.
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He makes it complicated so it keeps it " mysterious"
It sounds complicated because the way your explaining it is complicated. You could have gotten to the point with way less talk. Keep It Simple!
Grip pressure can be the killer of even a swing that is on plane! So how do you explain grip pressure? The best description I have ever gotten in a lesson was, when you take a pet bird out of the cage, you hold it not to harm it but just enough to net let it fly away, No tension in both forearms.
This is what I call Click-Bait Golf teaching!
How can something be click-bait. It was free. You watched it. I didn't try to sell you anything. Funny how you give instruction for free and people still complain.
I think you missed the biggest point of the video
its a simple baseball grip. Why an 8 minute video?
Baseball. Again, Moe never had the lead thumb on the side of the club. Cant figure out why people call it a baseball grip. This video is about the lead thumb and its not baseball.
Good grief…Way, way too complicated
You're laid off .