Are Facets the future of Dota? | 7.36 Patch Highlights
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
- A quick analysis on some of the must know changes in Patch 7.36. I'll be making lots of guides in the future for some new builds around the facets! Let me know what heroes I should cover in the comments below.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:38 - Innate Abilities
1:48 - Facets
3:49 - General Changes
6:36 - Items
9:02 - Good Heroes
18:19 - Bad Heroes
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Started taking two lanes just the ranged barracks, it's wild. It's insane to get two towers for the cost of a single fort, plus if you're ahead you can destroy both the melee barracks at the same time to prevent a fort, leading to two racks without letting them fort a second time.
It IS wild. So good and impactfull change, I love it.
Your videos have helped me get back into dota for the 1st time since 2014 and a LOT of things have changed LOL, tysm for all the incredibly helpful videos
Wrong. It took purge 12 hours.
for what
@@Leverquinpatch review
@@saiprien9565that wasn’t a 12hr review, that was a 12hr to give first impressions
theory for right-click jakiro, since their attack is always 2 now, diffusal & gleipnir could be interesting.
tried it, it's not that great because of jak's shitty atk animation
maybe bloodthorn with liquid ice?
Shoutout to support Terroblade with armlet and blink. Be on low hp with Armlet > Blink > swap Enemy to 1hp and press Q = Profit. Can get Lens and Dagon later on for more lolz. Silly, but has very little counterplay.
I think spirit breaker is op right now, cause of his innate. When talents were introduced some of the most powerful ones were the ones that gave gpm or a boost to experience gain and with spirit breaker you get an xp boost at level 1 to your whole team (kinda), which is crazy and it doesn't fall off as the game goes on (except when everyone is level 30, but that rarely happens)
Great ability its relevant all game
I love his facets too, they’re so strong and really fun. Having his shard giving him faster charge speeds also feels stronger
I’ve definitely un-dismissed tinker myself, speaking from personal experience now. I played tinker 4/5 three times (the first with a shitty build that made the winrate feel justified haha), and maxing march of the machines followed by shield (and only a value point in laser if trading is somehow still unfavorable with bubble+march) has made lanes feel pretty strong. I start with a null, rush a holy locket (using the heal facet, obviously, haha) then get shard and it’s felt really good!
The charge gaining time of locket is affected by cdr so you get a charge really quickly as the game goes on. Ridiculous save potential, especially with shard rush post-locket.
Tinker has amazing laning stats (7 base armor! 55ish base damage too) and all his abilities facilitate trading very well now (with march facet), then later he becomes a very good momentum-sustaining support (machine heal, low cd mana boots, and bubbles to disincentivize enemy initiations and to help creeps tank tower shots).
Solar is an item I haven’t gotten yet, but I’m sure that (and glimmer) makes his fight turning potential even higher! I’ve had many many “I can’t believe they’ve lived there” moments (like, literally 20 seconds though, that hurts (as I played 4 tinker (for infinite mana greaves spamming memes lol) last patch too haha).
Very greedy (and probably not advisable! built it in the two won support games), but kaya sange is a super feels good item on them; 25% cost reduction and 50% mana regen amp almost keeps you from needing to go to the fountain entirely!
And, as a less “against the community consensus” idea (haha), lycan’s spirit wolves build is ridiculously high damage, since the spirit wolves’ damage is affected by feral impulse. Very easy to get 250 or 300 damage or more per hit before 30 minutes, plus he has really good 20 and 25 talents and universal hero scaling on top.
I think Tinker needs some serious buffs to make him viable again. Probably not mid anymore unless they revert item refresh in some way or only allow it for refreshing Blink and Soul ring. Dazzle is a hero that can alter item cooldowns before too but he's still viable after that removal simply because his spell kit and his inates(Aghanim's and shard)are actually very good. Tinker as he is now is very barebones barely any meat on him at all because he has been hyper focused on balancing him as a spell casting blinking machine so removing all of that suddenly left him in this mess. Personally I want the changes to be reverted but I'm also open to him becoming something else entirely like being a viable support. I trust the Frog and Valve in handling him. I too want Tinker to be viable in pro play like what they did to Techies after the rework. Old Techies is iconic and I miss it but I definitely prefer him seeing play and being viable at the highest level. Same thing could happen to Tinker and I'm hoping for that.
for the CM aoe: its not mentioned on the website, but its only self AOE boost, so wont work on Lesh teammate 15:00
some facets are also excellent counters, such as kunka vs meepo
Been waiting to see what you think of the patch
Way too many details, it is impossible to remember who do what now.
Lmao just check at the start of laninng phase what the enemy picked
I can already follow the current meta heroes more or less. Off meta picks still surprise me but honestly it was always like that.
Hey Zach, looking forward to your impressions on this new meta as they unfold.
I think a lot of people are sleeping on sand king pos3. That level 1 tail strike is mean! I have not figured out the optimum skill build but maxing tail strike is really good against melee carries and can even be used as mid sk because you can clear stacked camps in 3 seconds basically. But as a pos3 the melee carry CANNOT contest denies, the tail strike hits the creep and the hero at the same time and will always win against an auto attack, so they get hit by caustic finale as well. That's two stacking slows applied which let's you auto attack them a couple times afterwards. As pos3 I always try to keep the enemy creeps together and I have zero fear of contesting creep camp pulls because tail strike + caustic finale is just sooo good.
I think there is something with the menace on shadow demon it's stacks with images and deletes heros at the start of the game. The damage amp gets crazy with his W
I have seen some pretty wild videos about Morphling with the Flow facet on reddit, how legit is that page with the winrates you are using?
The change to Tinker's rearm isn't terrible, just half to play smarter and gank in order to make it to late game.
Played pos 4 Lion in the new patch with a Tinker for our mid. He did about average, but after our carry went online, we started pushing back, and his item cooldown reduction turned a godsend after the 30min mark.
% CD per 4 INT is pretty great, and at the time, it shaved his dagger CD down to 7-8 seconds. Now it only takes 3 INT, meaning he only needs 180 to get the full 60% reduction, which ALSO stacks with Octarine to a wopping 70% reduction.
Overall, pretty swell change for him. No more brute force rearm items to perma-stun/hex. As much as that was fun, it was about as dumb as Arc used to be with rapier.
What if tinker just had a fixed 40% item cooldown reduction? Not everything needs to be tied to stats.
Is trilane back with axe and spirit breaker? Axe solo offlane and spirit breaker with the buff in XP?
Keen to see how you think to best use WD Gris gris
Had success with SK in this patch; the new tail sting ability one shots creep waves when your ultimate is like 2; you dealt so much damage with veil+blink+Aghs and then finish off Shivas… either facet is good depending on the game.
As to DP being bad; both facets are actually decent (left one I think is better), and better movement speed and cooldown reduction as a passive is fantastic. I do think that her build is changed; gpk from Betboom had success with Aetos into Witch blade or Witch blade first major item. I don’t think this is a Mek offlaner anymore; she needs the levels of mid for cooldown reduction and needs to build damage and armor. I also see a Veil first item working as well, though it has no mana regeneration if you do the gpk build with phase boots.
Surprised to not see Silencer mentioned. His 2nd facet, that makes his ultimate reapply after expiring is insane. BKB, manta and Lotus Orb no longer unsilence enemies.
His passive counters Shadow Shaman's inate ability by instantly killing him, as being hexed counts as being silenced as well, lol.
Arcane Curse silencing like Last Word used to do is also crazy, as you now have two AoE silences for team fights since early game, and makes it so that his Aghanim's Scepter not only damages and slows enemies, but also silences for up to 8s.
It's so disruptive to enemies since after 6s of silence, they either are dead or forced to use something to try and escape or turn things around.
He's also really strong as a core with madness and the other facet, but as a pos4 player who already plays a lot of Silencer, he feels broken. I had a 67% winrate with him last patch, and so far I've gone 8 wins 1 loss on him as a 4.
how do u play it? i mean in lane, the item, the skill
@@ekoriantochan8085 It honestly depends on how well the lane is going, as well as the matchup. If you're getting kills early, or if the enemies are heroes you can right click more often than normal, maxing Glaives of Wisdom (W) first is great and you can then transition to a more core-like silencer, for example going for threads into Witch Blade and then Aghanim's Scepter. I have been prefering to buy Aghs as early as possible though, as it makes his ult just that much better. Gaining a global 25% slow that also deals decent damage over time that can end up silencing enemies multiple times is amazing.
However if the enemies have lots of disables, are heroes with high movement speed, or use many abilities, it feels much better to level Arcane Curse (Q) instead. Especially so if your lane partner has a disable.
Either way, if I first max Arcane Curse, I then max Glaives second, and vice versa. His passive is not bad, don't get me wrong, but unless your team has more silences, you'll almost always have at most a single silence applied to each enemy. Furthermore, Glaives scales really well with ability levels, and so does Curse.
Obviously, if the match requires, you might end up having to buy a glimmer cape, a force staff (reeeally good item when playing vs a slark, almost mandatory as it can get you out of his Pounce leash), etc., depending on the enemy team, so take these as general directions of items you could go for.
Wait, that global facet is absurd. Man, these big changes are always so damn interesting.
Oh damn, it does count.
Arcane Curse also counters him or his shackles will get interrupted.
I played a ton of offlane slark last patch, had a respectable win rate. Wand corrosion treads into mage slayer, shard and aghs. Everything else is situational, but bkb, linkens, SnY, diffu, shadow blade all valid. You want a strong lane support to have kill potential and u need to buy a lot of tangos before 6, even with new innate that hasn't changed. Has some bad matchups but shard as a save tool is great against jugg and LC. Slark is a good hero for jumping into the enemies and soaking up attention while being hard to kill.
Been waiting for your video, need supp player pov
Soulbind + Chain Frost (Growing Cold facet) is still solid. Then we now have Soulbind + Noxious Plague (Patient Zero facet) which absolutely shreds teamfights.
In demo mode Rollermawster didn't give back the MotM effect that they stole from me back when they deleted the ability
Tinker is not bad I played him 4 a couple times max march and laser first get a value point in matrix if u need
Build greaves
Euls
Aghz
Anytime you have down time I just tp to outpost march the two camps and maybe the lane if it's close tp home and repeat
Eventually with your innate cooldown reduction and a octarine you can have a 3 sec arcane blink 16 second greaves 4 second wind waker its actually nuts lol
Is 9 slotted techies good? As support?
lmfao "it would take like 10 hours to go over all of it" meanwhile purge just dumping literally 10 hours of patch notes. Nice estimate
Purge make a 6 hour video and Torte make 10 hour video
It took me about ~10 hours just to read and try lobby things myself lol. Actually talking through it for a video would have been looooonnnggggg
@@ZQuixotixI would watch 10 hrs of you rambling, competition is good even in the excessively long patch notes video market, right?
You forgot the courier have burst after leaving the fountain that means you should not make your cour go outside and only edge that they can receive the fountain buff
Really enjoying Venge carry with battle fury and basher with right facet, really really fun. lol Is it good? No idea, Herald gang, but it sure is fun.
What do you think about Mirana? I am so confused. Her innate is rubbish but what about her Sun (new) ult?
Yeah it feels like she got some lackluster innate ability/facets. I'd say the 2nd facet is interesting for core Mirana or maybe a really tempo line up that just runs down to each objective. But I think the numbers are not there for her for either facet when you compare it to what other people got
I think the sun facet is very interesting, coupled with the way better cd on leap (from 28s to 15s charge cd) and the damage is not negligible. Now that I think about it it could be very good with trolls trance facet, giving even more dps for the team 🤔
@@caio9242 I am disappointed they removed a leap charge. Have to really be aware now how many I have at any given moment.
Lion builds with harpoon?
I've tried treants both facets, and the seed in the ground reallyhelps with pushing, its kinda op. I have yet to lose with the seed facet. And skywrath got nerfed, no more armour from the shard, just magical bonus. So I tried building him armor items, like mek, veil/shivas and lotus and solarcrest but its not the same. Still is very good he doesnt die to magical damage, with he first facet. Haven¡t tried the one about the cooldowns, maybe for carry sky, but without the armour hes just too squishy again. Veno is gooooood
Thanks for your videos, always appreciate a support pov. Many carry streamers said CM no armour ult isshit, but I agree with you, it's good. They either focus you, or have their attack speed slowed. I'll try CM more and come back to you.
Btw listening to you has gotten me from crusade 1 to arcont 3, still going up just pos 4 and 5
Treants facets are so uninspired though. Very boring. Along with him not getting a passive I feel like most other supports just got so much more than him.
7.36 is wild yo, AM 2nd facet is crazy af, how could you sleep on it
its 200 hp heal. and you can make it cover a HUGE area. you play him like a support keeping your team alive and nuking the carry. you get oct core and your items have very low cds.
Silencer seems also pretty good now
You didn't post the website link?
It's working on Dota Buff now and I'm guessing many sites will get it working as well
You forgot the alt right click show range feature
not sure if just me on my speakers, but sounds like mic is peaking in this video, kinda harsh sounding at points from input vol too loud. this is my hunch
I think Tinker's new build should be Meme Hammer, Octarine, Int Blink, and stack int items like Eul for more CDR on Meme Hammer.
Natures Prophet was absolutely gutted
He did was very good for like half a year
I always wanted these innate and facets for a long time. I played mortal kombat x andd i thought it would be cool for dota heroes to have "variations" like mkx characters. But also innate abilities like lol champions.
I wish they did more with Troll, he always gets middle of the road at best with updates. Wish they brought his bash back somehow or did something much different n changed him up, I love playing him but he can be so boring at times 😆
As a Phoenix spammer i gotta say it feels really good to either be a long range death laser or a walking radiance with steroids. My support build rn is shard into aether lens and i just sit a mile away melting anyone who jumps my team.
patch fun
i;ve played LC today and overwhelming odds just stopped giving barrier
RIP Disruptor
@8:41 i love jupiter
Offline undy is back bby
They did my girl drow ranger dirty with this patch with nerfs that make it frustrating to play her again.
The new passives system confuses me, I get that they are essentially doing what League does where everyone gets 1 passive that's active the moment you're in game, but why do some heroes have passives that they've always had, whilst others are essentially getting a new beneficial passive? Like Bane's passive is a little weird to me, I can see it being useful and is kinda reminiscent of league passives where they direct you to play the hero a certain way. Zeus gets his old passive for free which just seems like a straight buff to the hero, and tidehunter I think essentially had his passive split in two?? So putting points into your shell is just worse now, right? Because you're only get half the value you used to get. Or am I missing something?
When ever I hear people say they did what league does I can't but think ... how dumb are you ? This is nothing like league it's years ahead of league like dota always has been , valve never copy anything from lol , meanwhile riot games has no more ideas for heroes and they literally copy and paste invoker , please use your brain before you comment
I played almost exclusively 4/5 Omniknight when he had Degen Aura. I stopped playing him without it. I'll go back to only ever playing Omniknight, depending on how gross the rest of his kit has become in the meantime.
so gross, he can 2v5 with a good carry
Tink need a bink shard
Yeah we need another patch
As an ability draft player this patch makes me pretty sad
Yeah, I tried it the other day and it feels worse.
They killed AD with this patch.
@@NcrXnbi how come?
Skywrath mage and axe
Support tier list plz hurry 🙏
Theyre actually the present of Dota, Zach
Slark is interesting. He's not doing well right now because he didn't really gain much. Part of his kit got moved to a facet, so no gain there while other people get quite a lot. However he now gets passive movement and regen when out of vision from level one. The problem is this health regen just isn't enough to matter.... for a carry. 8 health per second would mean you'd need to spend like 30+ seconds out of vision not doing anything to regenerate, which just isn't good.
But perhaps with some tweaking this is intended to enable slark 4. I think the intention is that you trade advantageously in lane with essence shift, then go out of vision to do support stuff like warding, stacking, or ganking, then by the time you are done you've regenerated enough to trade again. Plus having the passive at level 1 means you can use it to deward
And now you can't even ping your own abilitys anymore.
My thoughts on the mana bar isn't that it just makes the information easier, I think it actually promotes clicking the hero to see the amount. Lets say you see a WK with under half mana, you wonder 'does he have enough for a stun? Or Ulti? How many stick charges does he have?' You still need to know the amount for high costing spells/spell combos. Amazing change imo.
Me watching this after 7.36a :
Tinker is weak?
I would rather they tweaked the existing systems, perhaps replaced some shards/scepters instead of introducing even more variables. Simplicity used to mean complexity once. Now it is a bit of a poopshow with all those neutrals, tslents, shards, scepters, innates, facets and 1000s of items.
You very much can keep a game fresh without adding more and more systems all the time
Venge carry go battle furry with melee facet kinda goes stupid
Kitty!
Alch giving bottle for your mid at the start of the game, ez pos 4
Support does mot exist anymore! 😢
I just worry for the future of DotA 2 with all of these new added mechanics, the game is already not new player friendly and now they are adding whole new mechanics every single major update, the game doesn't need to become more convoluted than it already is in my opinion. Personally I am not a fan of the facets mechanic and preferred what they were doing with heroes like axe armour gain on cull, slark perma agi steal on kill medusa shield etc just being tied to a single ability.
This is not a complaint about the game, but it’s also not “old” player friendly lmao. My group is at the stage where we have families now and most of us are still getting used to neutral items, so figuring these new things out is going to take forever 😂
Hell, I still think of Monkey King as a “new hero” 😅
Still love that dota keeps it fresh and gives everyone reasons to come back and try the new things out. I just wish they’d bring back aghs labyrinth of other co-op modes
@@halloweentimemachine yeah, those coop modes were great and made it easy to bring new people into the game :)
Dazzle's shard spreading on attack to hex other heroes is f*cking disgusting
Jupiter is beautiful :D
What
Seeing techies' facets made me very sad. They went too hard on the meme right click techies builds and made all of their facets towards that while making the one facet that actually fit their playstyle have a massive drawback for very little additional damage. AND nerfing them indirectly by putting some of their old base attack range into one of the right click facets. The 9 slotted character could have been interesting but I don't think techies was the best hero to put it on.
The HotS employees leaking into dota :(
Any patch that shits on Tinker is an AMAZING patch
If you're a hard stuck herald redditor, perhaps.
Tinker is straight up dead bro
I don't mind turning him into a support hero, but he'll need buffs for anyone to pick him
I got tricked I cliked because I saw a kitty kat = 3
Not refreshing items is not fun and no matter how hard they buff him, it will always feel like pudge if they removed his hook. I'm not coming back to this game if Tinker isn't reverted to his old self.
No one cares. Don't ever come back
anyone ever call this guy the trump of dota ? :p hehe
First
Man look at that wraithking omega buff
Meanwhile my skywrath gets 60% lifesteal on the bottom 18 strength gain on the game
Like holy shit wtf were the devs smoking
Perfect time to quit for me. Its just got a bit too ridiculous
Why does literally every dota player say this before inevitably coming back in a few months
@@FinalCountdown-oz8pc True but I've never said it before.
I was quite excited for the last major change - the map size increase one, changes to BKB and the new meta.
This one just doesn't feel like the DOTA I liked
Tinker is finally fucking balanced. The fuck are you on about, why would he be able to refresh shiva overwhelming blink dagon eblade etc... THAT IS THE MOST BROKEN FKIN THING PERIOD.
I dislike this update, this is nothing more than a circus.
A lot of unbalanced heroes, just look at warlock and tell me with a straight face it's ok.
Also most heroes didn't even get a true new passive, just use already existing skills and call it a day.
Some didn't even get anything at all, quick example Treant and Hoodwink.
This update feels rushed, without any care at all.