hi jester~ we enjoyed this retrospective of the DCEU. i didn’t even know it was called DC[E]U 😅 i’ve been calling it DCU for years now whenever my husband and his cousins come over for movie projector night. I would love an analysis video explaining what changed in movie Directors style since the early 2000s with the overuse of cgi in filmmaking. Also, screenplay choices. Happy Holidays to you and your family 🎄🌟
@@human3213 DC was founded in the mid-'30s and Marvel came along in the late '30s. And Marvel was basically a response to Superman. Superman came out in 1938. That changed the game and there were a lot of competitors that came along and Marvel Comics was one of those.
Yup. Superman kills in his first appearance and then dies in his second appearance. Oh yeah, and Batman also kills. Showing exactly why it was a terrible idea to hire Snyder in the first place. He fundamentally misunderstood Superman and Batman, the 2 main pillars of the DC universe. I'm not even convinced he even liked these characters. That's why he changed them to "fix" them.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpgoodpoints. We ahpuld have had a batman solo befpre at least. And it should been SHAZAM versus superman first. Some one controlling him . And the badguys ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@turtleanton6539 That episode from JLU where Superman and Shazam fight would've made for a good movie. Something like they team up at the beginning. Billy feels like he's not worthy of his powers because he keeps comparing himself to Superman, but Superman's paranoia with Lex Luthor make him act unreasonably. Even when Lex is doing something good, Superman can't help but assume he's up to something bad. Bringing the two to blows. Billy stops comparing himself to Superman. Boom. End credits.
Snyder's Rebel Moon perfectly encapsulates the situation /problem. Set piece action scenes, talented actors wasted, no chance to get to know the characters
Oh no. Suckerpunch is the movie you need to see. If you want a movie that crystallises Snyder's slow motion nonsense, THAT'S the horror that you need to experience. Good luck! Wait! I'm not recommending it though!
@@mygetawayart Hey buddy you might want to get that brain of yours checked out, I think it's rotting. Ok so aside from the ad-hom no fakeharley didn't work out. The costume and image of Harley was irreparably tainted after that movie.
I think one thing that would have made the movie not so bad is if they didn’t have Steve Trevor possess another man and just have him magically reappear because of the wish. I don’t think it would have saved the movie, but it wouldn’t have had the creepy implications towards the lead character that it did.
Supposedly, shows like the various DCAU series and Young Justice are the model for Gunn/Safran's DCU. I don't necessarily like everything I've heard about some of the projects and consultants they have on board, but I dig the overall approach.
Same. After Endgame I only watch any good marvel follow up singular movies. GotG 3, Spiderman into/across, etc. MCU had a great run, but Disney thinks they should always be making a billion per movie. So greed kills the quality.
@@Spongebrain97 it split audiences because people couldnt understand that supes was going through a character arc but you people are so stupid and now we won't get it
@@Spongebrain97The movie is still talked about. So Snyder isn't for everyone. OK. Then don't watch him. A polarised audience, however, is still better than an indifferent one.
I unironically love it, but Snyder's just not the kind of guy you bring in to Kickstart a universe bringing mainline iterations of your characters to the big screen. If his stuff was relegated to the status of a self-contained Elseworlds story that you could take or leave instead of presented as the baseline for the entire universe going forward, I think it would have been better received.
I don’t dislike Snyder but he is a great director only if you want to turn your movie into a very long great-looking music video that isn’t trying to say anything that deep. And obviously you can’t build a big, mainstream superhero universe on that
I wouldn't say he has no depth. It's just that depth exists in his visual storytelling rather than his dialog. He definitely has some issues, though. He's inconsistent, and thise inconsistencies only get highlighted when the studio tears his movies up in the edit. That's happened in multiple films he's done, and the director's cuts are all better versions of his movies compared to their theatrical releases. The better director's cut of BVS was just the version that was supposed to go to theaters, but WB panicked and hacked it to shreds like a month before release so they could try to fit it into as many theaters as possible. Zack Snyder's Justice League next to Josstice League is like night and day. He can make good movies. His problem is that he just isn't the person you hire to lay the foundation for a mainline, ongoing continuity. He's the guy whose work you label and experimental, self-contained Elseworlds story. With all that said, I really don't like the movies he has made since his JL came out. Army of the Dead and Rebel Moon are just bad movies. Army of the Dead had issues long before Snyder got attached to it, though, so it kinda feels like he just threw that one together, and Rebel Moon was a cool idea terribly executed. Definitely not perfect, but I do think he has his merits.
I think the BIGGEST mistake the DCEU made as a franchise was it's clear envy and insecurity around the MCU. Instead of properly pacing its movies and stories like them, they tried to imitate them and immediately race to the finish line. Suicide Squad clearly tried to be more like Guardians and Justice League came about without even introducing most of the characters OR a clear history for most of them. Avengers earned it's hype by properly developing everyone and it felt like an appropriate payoff. The entire franchise had an identity crisis and NO plan.
People like me chose to move on, not dwell on what wasnt working. There was reason MCU for its first 3 phases kicked DCEU's ass even with Snyder Hard Fact: Snyder is admirer of Heavy Metal Comics. He was never a DC/ Marvel comic reader. Even Nolan never read a DC comic/ Batman comic before he filmed his trilogy.
The DCU was something I held out hope for, for a while, for a multitude of reasons. When MOS came out I was a young teenager and was very sick. While in the hospital MOS was one of my favorite movies to watch, especially with one of the themes of the film being ‘hope’, which is something I was looking for at that time. Besides that, IMUO, especially looking back, I thought that Snyder brought something unique, with a more dark tone to the comic book movie genre, that I feel was needed, especially for DC where much darker themes are prevalent. I’m aware of the issues people have with his films but, I feel like we at least had some sort of plan, that, if we had gotten to see it follow through to the end, people would be a lot more understanding to what he was trying to do, while now it seem that there is no plan, and if there is, I’m afraid it’s gonna try to be a copy cat of marvel with oversaturation of “content” that marvel is now. It’s very unfortunate to see a lot of the franchises I love growing up, go down hill, and DC, for me at least was one that hurt the most
So one not only is a bad plan as awful as no plan and either is desirable not to shit on your childhood. But I got confused with the how the fuck did you get any hopefulness from Man of steel in particular because it was only said the word hope but there was nothing actually hopeful in it and then I remembered you were a teenager at the time And I'm like oh!. Because that's kind of what I feel like with a lot of Zack Snyder stuff when he has no plot guidance is he literally has the mindset of a 12-year-old boy that just hit puberty. Again he kept saying oh it's about a realistic Superman and hope and then everything he did in the man of steel alone was incredibly unrealistic and was entirely dreadful to the point where even Batman would have told him the light in the mood.
Honestly, they should have waited until now and then made a new suicide squad movie with an actual subtitle that differentiates it. Only thing for most people that differentiates the movie on a pure marketing thing is the letter the in it so most people I know was just like oh that's that sequel to that crappy movie I remember from a couple of years ago this is probably shitty too and then never gave it a chance. Add to the whole DC just rushing into everything instead of just taking a break and letting things breathe.
Great video. One of the big problems for me was Ben Affleck. I love Batman but I thought Ben Affleck was such a boring pick for Batman, so I was never interested in the DCEU. Alternatively, I love Christian Bale and Robert Pattinson as Batman. The first Wonder Woman movie was good. That's about all I can say.
@@ParaplegicKeanuReevesYou remind me of the people who shat on Heath Ledger for being cast as Joker because prior to that he was a teen heartthrob and was in Brokeback mountain.
DC has already made some of the most widely beloved superhero film-adaptations in existence. The DC Animated shows of Batman, Superman, & the Justice League. These shows, which provide well-regarded & already-proven templates of both character & plot, could provide DC with decades of hugely profitable & respected movies. But no... they wanted to be edgy, so they instantly ruined the characters of the most famous heroes in the world. Normally, I am vehemently against remaking movies or TV-shows that are already well-made & beloved, but I think that in this case I would enjoy seeing 2 movies a year, for the next few decades, of DC making FAITHFUL films out of the best interpretations of their characters.
Im a little sad we will never get to see how bad the Batgirl movie was going to be. Thats my favorite thing about the DCEU, is seeing how bad movie writers/directors have become
Honestly, considering how awful the flash turned out to be, I actually wonder if people would be like. Yeah, it wasn't the best film but it was nowhere near as bad. In my opinion, will Warner Brothers should have did, especially since there was still promoting HBO Max at the time. Would to have been released it exclusively on Max and hire the rift track guys to do an entire rift track take of the movie exclusively for Max. So for the people who genuinely enjoy the movie they could and then for the people hate the movie. It was meta funny and would have made a bunch of money and subscriptions on Max.
im glad the Rock stuff fell out from out from underneath him. Nobody wanted his less than subtle power fantasy running rampant over the DCEU while his OC beat up Superman and everyone else. yes I am aware Adam is a dep and rich character in DC. The Rocks version was not. He refused to even play nice with Shazam, Black Adams ACTUAL character foil.
The thing about Superman versus Iron Man is that Iron Man focused on small character building moments while Superman is alreadt extremely bloated as a character. Before the start of the DCEU there was a Superman movie that came out in 2006, so that by the time another one came in 2013 I was feeling like 'oh another Superman movie? 🥱🥱🥱.' Iron Man being a more obscure character made me sit up and pay attention. And Robert Downey Jr's performance helped sell the character.
@@eq1373 Maybe not. I'm a kid of 90's. I was born in 1990. Perhaps the character of Superman was more fresh and in his prime back in the 50's but in my opinion, the best Superman movie nowadays is, well, one that doesn't actually try to be about the character of Superman. I'm talking about a movie that has the creative license to play around a bit, but also focuses on the emotional journey of the character. Perhaps one where "Superman" is some re-imagining of a Greek mythological figure. A movie that came out when I was only seven years old.
To answer the title 1. What was I supposed to do? Just let ‘em die? Maybe 2. Clark just let Jonathan die in a tornado when he could’ve easily have saved him without exposing his identity 3. Clark destroys a man’s livelihood as revenge for bullying him 4. Clark fights the Kryptonians in the middle of Smallville and gets a bunch of innocent people killed and destroys God knows how much in property. And it’s not like he just happened to be there and the Kryptonians made things too tough for him to leave, no, he brought them there himself 5. Zod not pretending to be the good guy or not trying to terraform Mars or the moon makes no sense. 6. Superman kills Zod 7. The dark tone and depressing, washed out colors despite DC centering around heroes who are supposed to be hopeful, optimistic and aspirational. And that was the first movie. THE FIRST MOVIE
God! Man of Steel was such a disappointment as a film. And for me as a fan of Superman since childhood in Nigeria, it killed my interest in the DCEU. It had great action scenes and some good visuals but terrible writing, poor characterization, utter disregard for comic book lore of Superman, bad pacing, poor tone, and just a poor launch for the DCEU that left the viewers divided and underperformed. Zack Snyder was the worst thing to happen to the DCEU
@@deadpooldan9862 it's great that you like it. I enjoy the Batman and Robin Schumacher film but I am not blind enough to call it a good film or deny its objective flaws.
@@deadpooldan9862 again, good stuff. I can agree with being a fan of something and enjoying any offerings from it. There are many anime that are considered trash but I enjoy them. Like what you like but also be aware of objective flaws.
I agree with all of these, especially because they couldn't have still had some of these beats in here and make them work. Literally in the comics or some of the comics. There's a whole thing where Paul can't gets cancer and literally no amount of human or kryptonian technology can solve it and so he has to actually confront death and his father is honorary. Words are that he should go out and fight for people which makes him even want to be Superman even more. That scenario would have been a right way to do the Jonathan Kent's. Dad's death meant something instead of whatever bullshit they came up with. Same thing with the. They could have made it at a theme that Clark does not want to have innocent bystanders but this kryptonian war keeps doing that and really had built through the entire film of not killing so that when he does kill zod, it's a big giant thing for him. All that would be honest. I would have saved that more for a second Superman film. It could have worked but as the video essayist has put greatly, Zach only cares about the moment to moment beats instead of how they actually all connect with each other.
I think your main point that the DCEU died after the first three is absolutely correct. I'm a lifelong comic fan, and remember being so mad at Superman killing in MoS, just baffled by like every choice in BvS, and strait up walking out of Suicide Squad after i finished my meal at the AMC dine in. After those, the main audience had lost the faith in their vision and it was doomed. Great recap on the whole path that has led us to today. I hope James Gunn knocks ot out of the park though and believe he has the right sensibilities for a unique take on Superman and the DC universe as a whole. Wouldn't it be nice to go see a Superman again, amd walk out of the theater feeling hopeful?
Ok, I'm not a Snyder fan or dceu fan aside from Peacemaker, TSS, Aquaman, Shazam and the First wonder Woman and even Man Of steel but why do people hate that Superman killed Zod in Mos but not mad when he killed In Superman 2?
I’d say this is your best video yet! 👏🏻 Although I love Man of Steel, I will agree that the rest of the DCEU is quite a wild roller coaster of ups & downs and you highlighted them very well here 👍🏻
Yeah thats hilarious. Its clear these people are the only Snyder cult, they talk about him more than his actual fans. Making videos for views, comments, hell you cant even bring up other things without them forcing Snyder into it. And yet they are still in denial
Thank you for this, great synopsis of the whole thing. Even for someone like me who hasn't seen any of these particular films, they are part of the zeitgeist and I wanted to understand when folks say "The DCEU is dead" so now I get it, thank you. AND only 24 minutes? Yes please.
Batman v Superman was highest grossing movie of Snyder's but it steadily declined week by week. And Snyder Cut of JL, IT lost money partly because people were illegally downloading that film before it made it to home media release on DVD & blu ray. I recently seen Snyder's JL in $ 5 bin at walmart😂
I stopped after watching Zack Snyder's Cut of Justice League, not because it was bad (It sure wasn't...) but because I felt after watching it that I have seen all I needed to see. For me, MoS, BvS (ultimate ed) and the Snyder Cut are the 3 movies that worked best together when watched in order.
That trilogy is the saga of destroying everything that makes Clark Kent the paragon of DC heroes and turning into a moping, crying narcissist who doesn't really care in the public consciousness.
@@jbbrolicHe never became Superman. That Superman. He remained that dark brooding emo kid. I was waiting for an arc to balance him out. That never happened. But he looked incredible.
I know most don’t, but I agree with you. I really enjoyed Batman V Superman and it’s my favorite superhero film. Okay, I’m ready for the pitchforks. Bring it on, I stand behind my opinion even when it is vastly unpopular
Great video! The DCEU started out on the wrong foot and then got worse. I really don’t have a lot of faith in James Gunn, so even if Superman Legacy is amazing it might just end up creating hype for movies that will then be disappointing. I think a big part of what made Joker 2019 and The Batman so much better received than anything in the DCEU is that they were standalone projects not connected to the headache that is the “interconnected universe”.
The problem is they didn't hire people that cared about it being interconnected. They did what they always do, hire directors that just do their own thing. No team of creatives that really plan it out and oversee things coming together. Had to work with Snyder's incredibly limiting vision and tone. Rushing things.They wanted to make Avengers level money without putting in the work. Without hiring people that understood the assignment was create an interconnected universe. Not really building any hype. Now they're doing the same thing with Gunn's attempt. No set up. Just throwing us right into the universe with the Justice League already being established. Treating it as his sandbox to make movies/shows about whoever he wants. Planned Projects consisting of mostly side/support characters that nobody cares about instead of being about their most popular characters. This thing is DOA.
Meanwhile, Invincible is out there saving comic book media by just being a good show and adaptation. DC, Marvel and Star Wars are just not what they were anymore, no wonder people are getting tired of them.
His take on Watchmen really began the muted colors and slow motion trend. Why so many wanted the DCEU films to look and sound like music videos is all style with zero substance.
Now that the DCEU is officially dead, I guess we could move on from it. I hope James Gunn makes something good with Superman: Legacy. I started reading a lot more Superman comics since the casting for this movie started. With how much Superman was mistreated by Warner Bros, they really got me to care about Superman. I wasn’t even a fan of Superman. But I at least care more about him than the previous regime at Warner Bros.
you should watch My Adventures with Superman then. Probably the single piece of media about Superman that truly gets the character more than anything else
@@mygetawayart I have seen clips of the show, as well as the first episode, and has promise. Despite its character design and heavy anime influence (seriously, Ma Kent in this show gives off serious Inko Midoriya vibes), it’s saved by a likable cast, a compelling narrative of Superman’s growth, and some impressive voice acting. Like, they got Debra Wilson, who I know from MadTV (Oh god, I’m old!), and manages to be as intimidating as Viola Davis’ portrayal in the DCEU. I think I would like to check out the rest of the series when I get the chance. Also, like the Mario movie with Princess Peach, this show got me to develop a crush on Lois Lane.
@@_M.... His royal fans too id add. They seem like if they lived N . Korea like Kim jr every snyder fan is required to have a framed portrait of ZS to worship, if you dont you're no DC fan,lol
I've given up hope that will ever be able to give us a definitive version of the DC cinematic universe. It seems like they are just incapable of doing so.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpdam yall are seriously that hopeless lol. There a much stronger creative vision and team assembled here, things are a lot different than they were 10 years back and the actions I’ve seen taken upon Gunn and Safran show that they are more aware and serious of their position/situation. If anything, there’s more promise here than there ever was for the dceu.
@@freshnoodles2108 they're making many of the same mistakes they made previously. You can't build a cinematic universe by focusing on mostly side/support characters that nobody cares about. You also can't build a cinematic universe by rushing things instead of taking their time and laying the foundation. They're so desperate to make Avengers level money without putting in the work. When has that ever worked for a studio trying to build a cinematic universe? Answer: Never. I'm not interested in wasting another 10 years on a "cinematic universe" where most of the things happening don't matter and aren't building up to anything. It's just stuff happening across the universe. That's not how you build up hype. That's not how you build up a cinematic universe. This is DOA. I'm not interested in anything they announced.
I remember being hyped in my junior year of high school when SS got announced and Harley Quinn finally got a live action adaptation. Then I watched it in theaters, I remember initially feeling unsatisfied and everyone in the theater clapping at the end was very withdrawn. Now these days I see it for what it is….. garbage lol.
I blame Snyder for his utter incompetence and lack of directing skills or writing. I also blame the WB head honchos who foolishly hired him in the first place😔😔
I hate they killed off Superman too early introduced Doomsday too early they should've waited after 3 movies to do that & like the MCU we get a glimpse of Darksied along the way.
The DCEU and MCU both need to be laid to rest. The MCU will never reach those heights again and the DCEU, as you pointed out, was doomed from the very beginning. Comic book movies as a whole is a dead industry.
After I saw Wonder Woman and when it went on to become a big success, I thought this could be the moment the DCEU becomes serious competition to the MCU in the years ahead. Then the pandemic happened and both franchises lost their momentum and mojo, although there have been some films I have enjoyed since then.
I still remember seeing the Superman logo, then Batman's behind it and thinking they were going to do a "World's Finest" adaptation with the two working together. Like Batman having to come to Metropolis for some case and running into Superman, the two working together, etc. Boggled my mind they decided a story about the near-end of their relationship as comrades and friends was the right basis for the start of that relationship in the cinematic universe. I will say this, though... I think if he had McFarlane writing the script, Snyder might be a killer director for a Spawn movie. The character fits his style and sensibilities for a film and a character. He did a great job with 300 and an adequate job with Watchmen which most thought was utterly impossible to adapt (not perfect, but when you go from impossible to adequate but flawed, that's still an achievement in my eyes), so I think with him primarily being a director and someone else handling the story, he could pull a win with Spawn.
Excellent video. I personally feel that Man of Steel was the end of the DCEU. They took a beloved character and made him different than the actual character? (likely because the actor they wanted couldn't pull off the character) So what am I watching then? And when they do find someone who hits it out of the park, Tyler Hoechlin, they ignore him.
Rank of the "DCEU" Man of steel: 7,5 BvS: 2, Batman scenes are cool Suicide squad 2016: 3 Wonder woman: 8 Justice league 2017: 6 Aquaman: 8 Shazam: 7 Birds of prey: 8 Wonder woman: 2 Snyder cut: 9 Suicide squad 2021: 9 Peacemaker: 9 Black adam: 6 Shazam 2: i did not see Flash: 4 Blue beetle: 6,5 Aquaman 2: i did not see
When Zach Snyder said that "Superman is broken, and I have no interest in fixing him." and "My Batman could be raped in prison." DC should have seen red flags and dumped his @ss. And Lex Luthor. WTF were DC thinking? I knew the DCEU was doomed when Mr Spectacle 'I don't REALLY like slo-mo THAT much' was put in charge. Snyder's Justice League had 4 years to fix whatever was wrong with his original movie and pretend that it was his original 'vision'. Wonder Woman 1984 - Wonder Woman r*pes some dude! Even Disney/Marvel didn't sink that low...yet.
Superman was always my favorite hero. But they are so incompetent on both the movie and comics sides that I just don't care anymore. I've gotten pretty good at letting things go. It wasn't hard to drop my love of nerd culture.
bleech. My sympathies for your sanity after trudging through all that movie sewage.There is too much thinking in these movies and zero entertainment.If you have to explain a movie,it is lost. The story should flow, envelope the audience in it and move all of us along to the end of the film with a satisfying conclusion. And they don't all have to be pie in the sky finishes either. Some of the worst ending movies I have ever seen were also some of the most satisfying because the ending perfectly fit the character arch of the lead characters. But for that to work, the writing has to be on point.Excellent video. I have no urge to see any superhero movies. DC and Disney killed it.
I remember when they said the DC Extended Universe was supposed to be for multiverse stories outside the main continuity, like "Joker." That's why they called it the "Extended Universe." This was about 10 years ago. There were supposed to be a bunch of these, including a World War II DC movie by Spielberg. All this was being talked about in DCEU subreddits back then.
Here's hoping Superman Legacy will be good since I liked Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and I thought Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was at least the best superhero movie since X-Men Days of Future Past. Possibly the best superhero movie since The Dark Knight, and best Marvel movie since Spider-man 2, which imo, is the greatest live action comic book adaptation, second best superhero movie after The Incredibles (the only 10/10 for me). However, Batman the Animated Series is still the greatest comic book adaptation imo. Merry Christmas, JesterBell! God bless you. Hope you and yours have a joyful and peaceful day!
man of Steel was a dull bore that didn't understand it's main character, trying to make Superman as much like Batman as possible. Then they rushed into the team ups before establishing the characters and building them up so we'd want or care if they team up. They rushed Supermans death into the second film so it obviously wasn't going to last and Superman had barely had a chance to even do anything for his death to mean anything. The villains were all lame. The visuals were ugly overly CGI green screen looking really fake with CGI lights and lazers coming out of every orifice.
She is completely right. People just stop caring anymore. They are to the point that when holywood anounces they are going to make a movie about a comic or book that audience goes "oh no" instead of being actually excited. The oposite of love is not hate. You need to care for something to actually hate it. It's apathy for what holywood is doing that shows that these franchises are dead. People literally don't care for any super-hero movie and it's not because of 'super-hero fatige'. it's 'bs fatige'. The only super-hero movies that made bank were spiderman and guardians and that was because they werent woke trash
having a good, positive, inclusive and inspiring message is not the problem if the movie's good. It only starts to become a problem when the message takes precedence over the actual quality of the movie as a whole. It's like swallowing a pill with toilet water with bits of shit in it instead of clean and fresh drinking water. Guardians 3 has a very progressive, positive message about animal cruelty. Had it been a bad movie, it would've felt preachy.
@@mygetawayart "having a good, positive, inclusive and inspiring message is not the problem" I loved this quote. Because it basically is what the original X-men is all about, but aparently now it's 'problematic'. Because it doesn't make all women perfect and the focus of every second of the story
@@ianesgrecia8568 Exactly, the X-Men are a great example because of just how progressive they were when they came out. The X-Men were a metaphor for all the major civil rights movements, especially the early queer rights movements of the 70's and 80's. It was a comic for all of us who were marginalized because of who we were, to finally have a voice. It mattered back then, and it wasn't surface level either. It dealth with deep, complex characters, without it feeling preachy or superficial because the comics were just that good. Nowadays, making a story about the X-Men means either doing a period-piece or forcing a level of oppression, discrimination and marginalization that isn't there anymore. Every time i think of Marvel doing an X-Men show or movie i think of She-Hulk's entitled speech to Bruce about how hard her life is.
@@mygetawayart Urg. Don't even remind me of She-hulk. That speech for me was like a fat girl complaining to a homeless men that he is too thin and that was triggering her.
@@mygetawayart "having a good, positive, inclusive and inspiring message is not the problem if the movie's good." then it's not woke. It's just positive inclusive and good message. Something that a lot of movies fail to execute these days.
Same, I like his movies too, but I can understand why others wouldn’t. It also doesn’t help his extremely hardcore fans are some of the most insufferable people ever which kind of sucks because from what I heard, Zack Snyder himself is actually a pretty cool guy in real life.
DC has made a good live-action property though: Doom Patrol. I wasn't a fan of the most recent season, but I'm disappointed that so few people talk about it
Snyder had an interesting take on DC. However, I think it was a big mistake to make a "dark" version of DC and aim to have the biggest mainstream and international appeal. People do not want to watch depressing stuff over and over again. They don't bring their kids to sad and depressing movies. Especially internationally where certain themes and ideas don't carry over well. And people don't buy toys to remind themselves of depressing movies. Biggest mistake for DC was that they used a budget large enough where they needed full mainstream appeal and international audiences to make a profit and they made so many gritty/dark stuff that is more niche.
With James Gunn, you kinda did forget that at least at the time peacemaker season one was set in the DCEU. Though yes it’s true. He did not direct a successful DC movie yet. He did direct some successful with DC.
I seen Batman V Superman in theaters first night out huge disappointment. I seen suicide squad part 1 first night out another disappointment then three years later I took my niece to see birds of prey and right there I knew the DCEU was done they completely fucked up big time, but let’s not forget marvel pandered to the woke revolution and they suffered since but after Deadpool 3 and the announcement of avengers doomsday, they might bounce back DC on the other hand. I don’t know 🤷 let’s see what James gun can do because he’s a good Director, but I’m not gonna forget that he’s also a huge creep
Blue Beetle was so bland and safe. They could've done something really interesting with the character like they have done in animated portrayals. Instead it was basically Iron man and Venom combined. Very meh. And honestly, The Batman was very similar. Just WB trying to recreate what Nolan did with a different director. More dark and gritty, grounded, and self contained. A safe bet for WB. Literally no risk in releasing that movie. I'd rather see the definitive version of Batman finally put to screen. Something that combines his campiness with the serious side. Like what Raimi was able to do with Spiderman. Something fun.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpBlue Beetle was basically Superhero the movie. If you had never seen any other superhero movie before, you would probably enjoy it.
FWIW: I _was_ planning on seeing *BLACK ADAM* mainly for the Henry Cavill/Superman post-credit scene. *THEN* I found out Henry Cavill had been dumped. I never saw *BLACK ADAM.*
It's a shame too because the score at least for man of Steel and justice league were so good they could definitely carry that tone I think the core of why these movies didn't work was because the characters felt all over the place they were adapted for the plot and not the other way around
Another problem with Man of Steel was that it was never supposed to kickstart a shared universe. It was simply DC doing another Dark Knight trilogy, with Superman instead. They even said that Justice League would more than likely cast a different Superman and Batman outside of their respective franchises. Next, Man of Steel flops, and they go back to the age old DC model of “Batman and Friends”.
Back when the franchise first started I thought the man of steel movie was a pretty average film and that the sequel would be the one to make or break the franchise. The moment I heard that the sequel was Batman vs superman I facepalmed. It was a terrible direction to take the franchise and the character of Superman because we still hadn’t properly fleshed out the characters and that WB was trying too hard to be the MCU without laying down the foundations that made it so successful. The failure of this franchise ultimately comes down to the executives at Warner brothers who are incredibly incompetent and have not learned anything from their past mistakes.
Suicide Squad was originally a Justice League Dark movie. Guillermo Del Torro was working on a Justice League Dark movie with Constantine, Zatana, Swamp Thing, Dead Man, Eterigan, and other characters. Dr Fate would have been in this group eventually. Except the movie went through too many directors. WB had creative differences with Del Toro and went to Doug Liman instead. They wanted to call the project the Dark Universe but Universal took that name already for there movie Universe. That worked so well for Universal except it tanked badly. WB cancelled Justice League Dark and made the animated movie instead. They put the ideas from the movie into the Suicide Squad movie. That is why you have street level characters fighting a magical antagonist like The Enchantress.
It all happened due to trying to rush everything so stories and even castings suffered for characters. This resulted in directors being treated poorly aswell and 10 years being wasted. Snyder Cut is the best they gave us.
The DCEU was doomed the moment they hired Snyder to direct Man of Steel. They put a version of Superman that kills up against some of the most iconic portrayals of Marvel characters ever. They lost. It wasn't even a contest.
@@rileysgaming6860 A writer deciding to make Superman kill doesn't change the iconic image of Superman. He doesn't kill because he represents what humanity could be. All the good. Finding another way. That's Superman. Stop trying to make the character something he's not.
@@rileysgaming6860 that's why I don't consider the Reeve movies the definitive Superman on film. I'm still waiting for the definitive portrayal of Superman to be put in a live action movie.
I appreciate that the DCEU tried (and really, "tried") to think outside of the box, but it made it all inconsistent. I would have gone the safe route and started it with Superman, then Batman, then Wonder Woman, then BvS, then flash, then Green Lantern, then Aquaman, then Justice League. I also wouldn't bog it down with this super serious, gloomy tone we had throughout (it was like listening to Mad World on repeat).
If I was in charge I'd do Batman 1, Superman 1, Batman 2, Superman 2, World's Finest, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Justice League. Gotta put in the work and lay the foundation.
It still infuriates me how easy it would have been to fix Suicide Squad. That was the first, and last, DC movie I got excited for. I was one of the wierdos that emptied out of the tattoo parlors to go see it and I couldn't believe they sold me a ticket to an unfinished film.
The DCEU was an idea that had potential and really should have done so much better than Marvel but because of competing visions,severe mischaracterization,executive agendas and many more, it fell apart!
The first Wonder Woman film and Margot's performances as Harley (even if her movies were shit) were the only things worth watching for me. Good riddance 🙃
The DCEU never stood a chance, and I don’t think the DCU will survive either. Nostalgia sells in the superhero space, and people can never grow nostalgic for superhero movies if they don’t take a break from making them. I think Warner Brothers would do good to take a page out of Amazon’s book and focus on making good animated superhero stuff.
I wouldn't necessarily call their animated superhero stuff good. The problem is WB rushing to make Avengers level money without putting in the work. Gunn only seems to be treating this universe as a sandbox for whatever characters he wants, but you can't build a universe off of side/support characters that nobody cares about. Not even really focusing on their most popular characters.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Superman, batman, and supergirl are not side characters. Superman legacy and Brave and the bold are two upcoming movies based two of the most recognizable characters.
@@unknown-iy2we 2 movies out of how many projects? That's not making them the focus. Most of projects are side characters. Who tf asked for an Amanda Waller show? WB and DC are such a mess because they have no clue what fans want. They waste their time and our time. Gunn's DCU is DOA.
I stopped caring after Man of Steel. I've still never re-watched that movie since seeing it at the cinema. So dull and drab and didn't feel like Superman at all.
The red capes are coming….the red capes are coming…
Why did you say that horrible line?!?!
*The red capes are coming…*
hi jester~ we enjoyed this retrospective of the DCEU. i didn’t even know it was called DC[E]U 😅 i’ve been calling it DCU for years now whenever my husband and his cousins come over for movie projector night. I would love an analysis video explaining what changed in movie Directors style since the early 2000s with the overuse of cgi in filmmaking. Also, screenplay choices.
Happy Holidays to you and your family 🎄🌟
Wrong. Superman didn't create shit. He's literally a horredous copy of mandrake the magicial and phantom.
@@human3213 DC was founded in the mid-'30s and Marvel came along in the late '30s. And Marvel was basically a response to Superman. Superman came out in 1938. That changed the game and there were a lot of competitors that came along and Marvel Comics was one of those.
I remember my grandmother seeing the trailer for Batman v Superman and being very confused. "I thought they were both heroes." Not where you start.
Yup. Superman kills in his first appearance and then dies in his second appearance. Oh yeah, and Batman also kills. Showing exactly why it was a terrible idea to hire Snyder in the first place. He fundamentally misunderstood Superman and Batman, the 2 main pillars of the DC universe. I'm not even convinced he even liked these characters. That's why he changed them to "fix" them.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpso you’re telling me that Reeves never killed? Keaton didn’t blow up people and smile at the camera?
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpgoodpoints. We ahpuld have had a batman solo befpre at least. And it should been SHAZAM versus superman first. Some one controlling him . And the badguys ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@turtleanton6539 That episode from JLU where Superman and Shazam fight would've made for a good movie. Something like they team up at the beginning. Billy feels like he's not worthy of his powers because he keeps comparing himself to Superman, but Superman's paranoia with Lex Luthor make him act unreasonably. Even when Lex is doing something good, Superman can't help but assume he's up to something bad. Bringing the two to blows. Billy stops comparing himself to Superman. Boom. End credits.
@@turtleanton6539no one wanted Shazam ever
They loved blaming the fans
That never works.
That’s the trend in entertainment these days and I’m not sure why.
Never blame the fans because all that will do is turn the fans against you.
That's just the entertainment industry in general these days...
Snyder's Rebel Moon perfectly encapsulates the situation /problem.
Set piece action scenes, talented actors wasted, no chance to get to know the characters
Oh no. Suckerpunch is the movie you need to see. If you want a movie that crystallises Snyder's slow motion nonsense, THAT'S the horror that you need to experience.
Good luck!
Wait! I'm not recommending it though!
Suicide Squad Harley is still new 52 Harley, not Harley from Batman The Animated Series. Same with Birds Of Prey and The Suicide Squad
New 52 fakeharley is poison. Kills everything it touches. Don't call that things "Harley" it isn't remotely close. It is fakeharley.
@@VintageQuinnfacts💯
Suicide Squad was the death warrant. You don't get to destroy Harley like that and expect that the universe will tolerate that affront.
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wdym Harley was the only thing that worked about that movie
@@mygetawayart Hey buddy you might want to get that brain of yours checked out, I think it's rotting.
Ok so aside from the ad-hom no fakeharley didn't work out. The costume and image of Harley was irreparably tainted after that movie.
@@VintageQuinn sorry i forgot i was on the internet and having differing opinions means you have brainrot, i profusely apologize
@@VintageQuinn 💯
I loved Wonder Woman, Shazam and Aquaman and was hyping for their sequels, I hate how they ruined the sequels.
Meanwhile, the suicide squad sequel was great. Maybe we need sequels to the bad movies.
I agree I liked the first 3 movies more.
Wonder Woman was amazing but Wonder Woman 84 wasn't good. I loved Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman but the 84 film definitely ruined it for certain fans
I think one thing that would have made the movie not so bad is if they didn’t have Steve Trevor possess another man and just have him magically reappear because of the wish. I don’t think it would have saved the movie, but it wouldn’t have had the creepy implications towards the lead character that it did.
@@morganyoung3557 yeah I completely agree
The animated universe was the perfect blueprint !
Supposedly, shows like the various DCAU series and Young Justice are the model for Gunn/Safran's DCU. I don't necessarily like everything I've heard about some of the projects and consultants they have on board, but I dig the overall approach.
JL and JLU were masterpieces.
I peaced put of DC when they screwed over Cavill, kept Miller, and dumped Aquaman. I also dumped Marvel after Endgame.
Same. After Endgame I only watch any good marvel follow up singular movies. GotG 3, Spiderman into/across, etc. MCU had a great run, but Disney thinks they should always be making a billion per movie. So greed kills the quality.
The DCEU is not a comedy it’s a tragedy is the most accurate thing I’ve heard about it
Well, comedies really are tragedies.
She said it is a comedy
the reason is simple they were just trying so hard to compete with the mcu
The DCEU was poisoned from day one with Snyder’s Man of Steel.
Man of steel was amazing what are you talking about
@rileysgaming6860 the film split the audience and underperformed at the box office. That is the opposite of "amazing"
@@Spongebrain97 it split audiences because people couldnt understand that supes was going through a character arc but you people are so stupid and now we won't get it
@@Spongebrain97The movie is still talked about. So Snyder isn't for everyone. OK. Then don't watch him. A polarised audience, however, is still better than an indifferent one.
I unironically love it, but Snyder's just not the kind of guy you bring in to Kickstart a universe bringing mainline iterations of your characters to the big screen. If his stuff was relegated to the status of a self-contained Elseworlds story that you could take or leave instead of presented as the baseline for the entire universe going forward, I think it would have been better received.
I don’t dislike Snyder but he is a great director only if you want to turn your movie into a very long great-looking music video that isn’t trying to say anything that deep. And obviously you can’t build a big, mainstream superhero universe on that
This
I wouldn't say he has no depth. It's just that depth exists in his visual storytelling rather than his dialog. He definitely has some issues, though. He's inconsistent, and thise inconsistencies only get highlighted when the studio tears his movies up in the edit. That's happened in multiple films he's done, and the director's cuts are all better versions of his movies compared to their theatrical releases. The better director's cut of BVS was just the version that was supposed to go to theaters, but WB panicked and hacked it to shreds like a month before release so they could try to fit it into as many theaters as possible. Zack Snyder's Justice League next to Josstice League is like night and day. He can make good movies. His problem is that he just isn't the person you hire to lay the foundation for a mainline, ongoing continuity. He's the guy whose work you label and experimental, self-contained Elseworlds story. With all that said, I really don't like the movies he has made since his JL came out. Army of the Dead and Rebel Moon are just bad movies. Army of the Dead had issues long before Snyder got attached to it, though, so it kinda feels like he just threw that one together, and Rebel Moon was a cool idea terribly executed. Definitely not perfect, but I do think he has his merits.
Say what you want about Josstice League, but at least Cavill got to *be* Superman.
Yeah i enjoyed that he joked around with cyborg
That wasnt Superman
I think the BIGGEST mistake the DCEU made as a franchise was it's clear envy and insecurity around the MCU. Instead of properly pacing its movies and stories like them, they tried to imitate them and immediately race to the finish line. Suicide Squad clearly tried to be more like Guardians and Justice League came about without even introducing most of the characters OR a clear history for most of them. Avengers earned it's hype by properly developing everyone and it felt like an appropriate payoff.
The entire franchise had an identity crisis and NO plan.
I agree the DCEU was rushed to compete with Marvel without a gradual build up of their characters.
People like me chose to move on, not dwell on what wasnt working. There was reason MCU for its first 3 phases kicked DCEU's ass even with Snyder
Hard Fact: Snyder is admirer of Heavy Metal Comics. He was never a DC/ Marvel comic reader. Even Nolan never read a DC comic/ Batman comic before he filmed his trilogy.
They don't like these characters.
The DCU was something I held out hope for, for a while, for a multitude of reasons. When MOS came out I was a young teenager and was very sick. While in the hospital MOS was one of my favorite movies to watch, especially with one of the themes of the film being ‘hope’, which is something I was looking for at that time. Besides that, IMUO, especially looking back, I thought that Snyder brought something unique, with a more dark tone to the comic book movie genre, that I feel was needed, especially for DC where much darker themes are prevalent. I’m aware of the issues people have with his films but, I feel like we at least had some sort of plan, that, if we had gotten to see it follow through to the end, people would be a lot more understanding to what he was trying to do, while now it seem that there is no plan, and if there is, I’m afraid it’s gonna try to be a copy cat of marvel with oversaturation of “content” that marvel is now. It’s very unfortunate to see a lot of the franchises I love growing up, go down hill, and DC, for me at least was one that hurt the most
So one not only is a bad plan as awful as no plan and either is desirable not to shit on your childhood. But I got confused with the how the fuck did you get any hopefulness from Man of steel in particular because it was only said the word hope but there was nothing actually hopeful in it and then I remembered you were a teenager at the time And I'm like oh!. Because that's kind of what I feel like with a lot of Zack Snyder stuff when he has no plot guidance is he literally has the mindset of a 12-year-old boy that just hit puberty. Again he kept saying oh it's about a realistic Superman and hope and then everything he did in the man of steel alone was incredibly unrealistic and was entirely dreadful to the point where even Batman would have told him the light in the mood.
The suicide squad is actually a very fun movie. And I did not even noticed it released on theaters.
Honestly, they should have waited until now and then made a new suicide squad movie with an actual subtitle that differentiates it. Only thing for most people that differentiates the movie on a pure marketing thing is the letter the in it so most people I know was just like oh that's that sequel to that crappy movie I remember from a couple of years ago this is probably shitty too and then never gave it a chance. Add to the whole DC just rushing into everything instead of just taking a break and letting things breathe.
Great video. One of the big problems for me was Ben Affleck. I love Batman but I thought Ben Affleck was such a boring pick for Batman, so I was never interested in the DCEU. Alternatively, I love Christian Bale and Robert Pattinson as Batman.
The first Wonder Woman movie was good. That's about all I can say.
I was in agreement with you until I read Robert " Twilight Twinkle Twink" Pattinson and then I stopped reading.....lmfao
@@ParaplegicKeanuReevesYou remind me of the people who shat on Heath Ledger for being cast as Joker because prior to that he was a teen heartthrob and was in Brokeback mountain.
Since Nolan, batman movies been more boring, depressing with bruce/batman sobbing all the time.
DC has already made some of the most widely beloved superhero film-adaptations in existence.
The DC Animated shows of Batman, Superman, & the Justice League.
These shows, which provide well-regarded & already-proven templates of both character & plot, could provide DC with decades of hugely profitable & respected movies.
But no... they wanted to be edgy, so they instantly ruined the characters of the most famous heroes in the world.
Normally, I am vehemently against remaking movies or TV-shows that are already well-made & beloved, but I think that in this case I would enjoy seeing 2 movies a year, for the next few decades, of DC making FAITHFUL films out of the best interpretations of their characters.
Im a little sad we will never get to see how bad the Batgirl movie was going to be. Thats my favorite thing about the DCEU, is seeing how bad movie writers/directors have become
Same
I'd really like to watch that movie. 😂
Honestly, considering how awful the flash turned out to be, I actually wonder if people would be like. Yeah, it wasn't the best film but it was nowhere near as bad. In my opinion, will Warner Brothers should have did, especially since there was still promoting HBO Max at the time. Would to have been released it exclusively on Max and hire the rift track guys to do an entire rift track take of the movie exclusively for Max. So for the people who genuinely enjoy the movie they could and then for the people hate the movie. It was meta funny and would have made a bunch of money and subscriptions on Max.
@@jordanwhite352 idk about that. From what was leaked, it sounded even worse than The Flash
The Bruce Timm DC animated universe from the 90s to the 2000s was such a better interconnected DC continuity.
I always called it the DCCU
Extended Universe is just a dumb name. Almost as dumb as naming the DCU based on the comics universe’s name
"pain" - Meme Repository
im glad the Rock stuff fell out from out from underneath him. Nobody wanted his less than subtle power fantasy running rampant over the DCEU while his OC beat up Superman and everyone else. yes I am aware Adam is a dep and rich character in DC. The Rocks version was not. He refused to even play nice with Shazam, Black Adams ACTUAL character foil.
The thing about Superman versus Iron Man is that Iron Man focused on small character building moments while Superman is alreadt extremely bloated as a character. Before the start of the DCEU there was a Superman movie that came out in 2006, so that by the time another one came in 2013 I was feeling like 'oh another Superman movie? 🥱🥱🥱.' Iron Man being a more obscure character made me sit up and pay attention. And Robert Downey Jr's performance helped sell the character.
You're probably not old enough to have seen or grown up on the Christopher Reeve movies
@@eq1373 Maybe not. I'm a kid of 90's. I was born in 1990. Perhaps the character of Superman was more fresh and in his prime back in the 50's but in my opinion, the best Superman movie nowadays is, well, one that doesn't actually try to be about the character of Superman. I'm talking about a movie that has the creative license to play around a bit, but also focuses on the emotional journey of the character. Perhaps one where "Superman" is some re-imagining of a Greek mythological figure. A movie that came out when I was only seven years old.
At least the mcu actually used its budget despite being poopy doodoo now
To answer the title
1. What was I supposed to do? Just let ‘em die?
Maybe
2. Clark just let Jonathan die in a tornado when he could’ve easily have saved him without exposing his identity
3. Clark destroys a man’s livelihood as revenge for bullying him
4. Clark fights the Kryptonians in the middle of Smallville and gets a bunch of innocent people killed and destroys God knows how much in property. And it’s not like he just happened to be there and the Kryptonians made things too tough for him to leave, no, he brought them there himself
5. Zod not pretending to be the good guy or not trying to terraform Mars or the moon makes no sense.
6. Superman kills Zod
7. The dark tone and depressing, washed out colors despite DC centering around heroes who are supposed to be hopeful, optimistic and aspirational.
And that was the first movie. THE FIRST MOVIE
God! Man of Steel was such a disappointment as a film. And for me as a fan of Superman since childhood in Nigeria, it killed my interest in the DCEU. It had great action scenes and some good visuals but terrible writing, poor characterization, utter disregard for comic book lore of Superman, bad pacing, poor tone, and just a poor launch for the DCEU that left the viewers divided and underperformed. Zack Snyder was the worst thing to happen to the DCEU
Indeed
@@deadpooldan9862 it's great that you like it. I enjoy the Batman and Robin Schumacher film but I am not blind enough to call it a good film or deny its objective flaws.
@@deadpooldan9862 again, good stuff. I can agree with being a fan of something and enjoying any offerings from it. There are many anime that are considered trash but I enjoy them. Like what you like but also be aware of objective flaws.
I agree with all of these, especially because they couldn't have still had some of these beats in here and make them work. Literally in the comics or some of the comics. There's a whole thing where Paul can't gets cancer and literally no amount of human or kryptonian technology can solve it and so he has to actually confront death and his father is honorary. Words are that he should go out and fight for people which makes him even want to be Superman even more. That scenario would have been a right way to do the Jonathan Kent's. Dad's death meant something instead of whatever bullshit they came up with. Same thing with the. They could have made it at a theme that Clark does not want to have innocent bystanders but this kryptonian war keeps doing that and really had built through the entire film of not killing so that when he does kill zod, it's a big giant thing for him. All that would be honest. I would have saved that more for a second Superman film. It could have worked but as the video essayist has put greatly, Zach only cares about the moment to moment beats instead of how they actually all connect with each other.
Should have gotten rid of Zack Snyder and David goyer after Man of steel.
I think your main point that the DCEU died after the first three is absolutely correct. I'm a lifelong comic fan, and remember being so mad at Superman killing in MoS, just baffled by like every choice in BvS, and strait up walking out of Suicide Squad after i finished my meal at the AMC dine in. After those, the main audience had lost the faith in their vision and it was doomed. Great recap on the whole path that has led us to today. I hope James Gunn knocks ot out of the park though and believe he has the right sensibilities for a unique take on Superman and the DC universe as a whole.
Wouldn't it be nice to go see a Superman again, amd walk out of the theater feeling hopeful?
Ok, I'm not a Snyder fan or dceu fan aside from Peacemaker, TSS, Aquaman, Shazam and the First wonder Woman and even Man Of steel but why do people hate that Superman killed Zod in Mos but not mad when he killed In Superman 2?
I’d say this is your best video yet! 👏🏻 Although I love Man of Steel, I will agree that the rest of the DCEU is quite a wild roller coaster of ups & downs and you highlighted them very well here 👍🏻
The Harley Quinn movie and Wonder Woman 1984 were MAJOR downs.
“Worst comic book movie ever made” **hasn’t seen Josstice League**
Yeah thats hilarious. Its clear these people are the only Snyder cult, they talk about him more than his actual fans. Making videos for views, comments, hell you cant even bring up other things without them forcing Snyder into it.
And yet they are still in denial
Thank you for this, great synopsis of the whole thing. Even for someone like me who hasn't seen any of these particular films, they are part of the zeitgeist and I wanted to understand when folks say "The DCEU is dead" so now I get it, thank you. AND only 24 minutes? Yes please.
Batman v Superman was highest grossing movie of Snyder's but it steadily declined week by week. And Snyder Cut of JL, IT lost money partly because people were illegally downloading that film before it made it to home media release on DVD & blu ray. I recently seen Snyder's JL in $ 5 bin at walmart😂
I love Patterson's Batman, I was in a bad place emotionally, and it changed my life in a way.
I stopped after watching Zack Snyder's Cut of Justice League, not because it was bad (It sure wasn't...) but because I felt after watching it that I have seen all I needed to see. For me, MoS, BvS (ultimate ed) and the Snyder Cut are the 3 movies that worked best together when watched in order.
That trilogy is the saga of destroying everything that makes Clark Kent the paragon of DC heroes and turning into a moping, crying narcissist who doesn't really care in the public consciousness.
@@jbbrolicHe never became Superman. That Superman. He remained that dark brooding emo kid. I was waiting for an arc to balance him out. That never happened. But he looked incredible.
@@A_UA-cam_Commenter Snyder's storytelling ability in a nutshell.
I know most don’t, but I agree with you. I really enjoyed Batman V Superman and it’s my favorite superhero film. Okay, I’m ready for the pitchforks. Bring it on, I stand behind my opinion even when it is vastly unpopular
Really good video and I agree. The dceu was so bad that I have little hope for the upcoming dcu
Point of order, it was actually Paramount and Universal that started the MCU, Disney just purchased it from them.
Great video! The DCEU started out on the wrong foot and then got worse. I really don’t have a lot of faith in James Gunn, so even if Superman Legacy is amazing it might just end up creating hype for movies that will then be disappointing. I think a big part of what made Joker 2019 and The Batman so much better received than anything in the DCEU is that they were standalone projects not connected to the headache that is the “interconnected universe”.
The problem is they didn't hire people that cared about it being interconnected. They did what they always do, hire directors that just do their own thing. No team of creatives that really plan it out and oversee things coming together. Had to work with Snyder's incredibly limiting vision and tone. Rushing things.They wanted to make Avengers level money without putting in the work. Without hiring people that understood the assignment was create an interconnected universe. Not really building any hype. Now they're doing the same thing with Gunn's attempt. No set up. Just throwing us right into the universe with the Justice League already being established. Treating it as his sandbox to make movies/shows about whoever he wants. Planned Projects consisting of mostly side/support characters that nobody cares about instead of being about their most popular characters. This thing is DOA.
James Gunn will fail! He said after watching the Flash. That it was the best superhero in history!
@@davespiess947I think that was just him hyping up the movie even though it failed.
Meanwhile, Invincible is out there saving comic book media by just being a good show and adaptation.
DC, Marvel and Star Wars are just not what they were anymore, no wonder people are getting tired of them.
I'd even say Zach Snyder is partially responsible for the superhero fatigue of today.
Stop it 😂 that’s a lie and you know it
His take on Watchmen really began the muted colors and slow motion trend. Why so many wanted the DCEU films to look and sound like music videos is all style with zero substance.
Now that the DCEU is officially dead, I guess we could move on from it. I hope James Gunn makes something good with Superman: Legacy. I started reading a lot more Superman comics since the casting for this movie started. With how much Superman was mistreated by Warner Bros, they really got me to care about Superman. I wasn’t even a fan of Superman. But I at least care more about him than the previous regime at Warner Bros.
you should watch My Adventures with Superman then. Probably the single piece of media about Superman that truly gets the character more than anything else
I mean it's obvious we have to move on since it doesn't exist anymore.....lmfao
@@mygetawayart I have seen clips of the show, as well as the first episode, and has promise. Despite its character design and heavy anime influence (seriously, Ma Kent in this show gives off serious Inko Midoriya vibes), it’s saved by a likable cast, a compelling narrative of Superman’s growth, and some impressive voice acting. Like, they got Debra Wilson, who I know from MadTV (Oh god, I’m old!), and manages to be as intimidating as Viola Davis’ portrayal in the DCEU. I think I would like to check out the rest of the series when I get the chance. Also, like the Mario movie with Princess Peach, this show got me to develop a crush on Lois Lane.
@@Brotherofthe4thCompany i would think that the character design and anime influence are a strength of the show but to each their own i guess
@@mygetawayart Not saying it’s not bad, it’s just distracting.
Honestly, the absolute best Superman movie in my opinion would be the 1997 animated Disney film 'Hercules.'
Only thing I disagree with you on is Man of Steel. The hype for the movie at the time was real
Snyder's idea for DC films, wheres the sex, blood,drinking,etc. Thats snyder's idea for Snyderverse.
And don't forget he also wanted Batman to be R*ped in Prison.
That's his idea for everything. He's like a 13 year old who got ahold of Grand Theft Auto 3 and never grew up.
@@_M.... His royal fans too id add. They seem like if they lived N . Korea like Kim jr every snyder fan is required to have a framed portrait of ZS to worship, if you dont you're no DC fan,lol
How many people think 4 hour long R rated DC movies is correct path over Gunn's
I wish they'd just leave it alone for a while. Gunn would've been a real hero if he said that to WB instead of taking the job
I've given up hope that will ever be able to give us a definitive version of the DC cinematic universe. It seems like they are just incapable of doing so.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpdam yall are seriously that hopeless lol. There a much stronger creative vision and team assembled here, things are a lot different than they were 10 years back and the actions I’ve seen taken upon Gunn and Safran show that they are more aware and serious of their position/situation. If anything, there’s more promise here than there ever was for the dceu.
@@freshnoodles2108 they're making many of the same mistakes they made previously. You can't build a cinematic universe by focusing on mostly side/support characters that nobody cares about. You also can't build a cinematic universe by rushing things instead of taking their time and laying the foundation. They're so desperate to make Avengers level money without putting in the work. When has that ever worked for a studio trying to build a cinematic universe? Answer: Never. I'm not interested in wasting another 10 years on a "cinematic universe" where most of the things happening don't matter and aren't building up to anything. It's just stuff happening across the universe. That's not how you build up hype. That's not how you build up a cinematic universe. This is DOA. I'm not interested in anything they announced.
@egoborder3203 if Gunn had turned it down, another director would have taken it anyway
I remember being hyped in my junior year of high school when SS got announced and Harley Quinn finally got a live action adaptation.
Then I watched it in theaters, I remember initially feeling unsatisfied and everyone in the theater clapping at the end was very withdrawn.
Now these days I see it for what it is….. garbage lol.
I blame Snyder for his utter incompetence and lack of directing skills or writing. I also blame the WB head honchos who foolishly hired him in the first place😔😔
I hate they killed off Superman too early introduced Doomsday too early they should've waited after 3 movies to do that & like the MCU we get a glimpse of Darksied along the way.
You don't say the same for Shazam, who also died in his second movie.
For me the most unforgivable part of Birds Of Prey is what they did to Cassandra Cain.
The DCEU and MCU both need to be laid to rest. The MCU will never reach those heights again and the DCEU, as you pointed out, was doomed from the very beginning. Comic book movies as a whole is a dead industry.
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After I saw Wonder Woman and when it went on to become a big success, I thought this could be the moment the DCEU becomes serious competition to the MCU in the years ahead. Then the pandemic happened and both franchises lost their momentum and mojo, although there have been some films I have enjoyed since then.
I still remember seeing the Superman logo, then Batman's behind it and thinking they were going to do a "World's Finest" adaptation with the two working together. Like Batman having to come to Metropolis for some case and running into Superman, the two working together, etc.
Boggled my mind they decided a story about the near-end of their relationship as comrades and friends was the right basis for the start of that relationship in the cinematic universe.
I will say this, though... I think if he had McFarlane writing the script, Snyder might be a killer director for a Spawn movie. The character fits his style and sensibilities for a film and a character. He did a great job with 300 and an adequate job with Watchmen which most thought was utterly impossible to adapt (not perfect, but when you go from impossible to adequate but flawed, that's still an achievement in my eyes), so I think with him primarily being a director and someone else handling the story, he could pull a win with Spawn.
Excellent video. I personally feel that Man of Steel was the end of the DCEU. They took a beloved character and made him different than the actual character? (likely because the actor they wanted couldn't pull off the character) So what am I watching then? And when they do find someone who hits it out of the park, Tyler Hoechlin, they ignore him.
Rank of the "DCEU"
Man of steel: 7,5
BvS: 2, Batman scenes are cool
Suicide squad 2016: 3
Wonder woman: 8
Justice league 2017: 6
Aquaman: 8
Shazam: 7
Birds of prey: 8
Wonder woman: 2
Snyder cut: 9
Suicide squad 2021: 9
Peacemaker: 9
Black adam: 6
Shazam 2: i did not see
Flash: 4
Blue beetle: 6,5
Aquaman 2: i did not see
When Zach Snyder said that "Superman is broken, and I have no interest in fixing him." and "My Batman could be raped in prison." DC should have seen red flags and dumped his @ss. And Lex Luthor. WTF were DC thinking?
I knew the DCEU was doomed when Mr Spectacle 'I don't REALLY like slo-mo THAT much' was put in charge.
Snyder's Justice League had 4 years to fix whatever was wrong with his original movie and pretend that it was his original 'vision'.
Wonder Woman 1984 - Wonder Woman r*pes some dude! Even Disney/Marvel didn't sink that low...yet.
Superman was always my favorite hero. But they are so incompetent on both the movie and comics sides that I just don't care anymore. I've gotten pretty good at letting things go. It wasn't hard to drop my love of nerd culture.
bleech. My sympathies for your sanity after trudging through all that movie sewage.There is too much thinking in these movies and zero entertainment.If you have to explain a movie,it is lost. The story should flow, envelope the audience in it and move all of us along to the end of the film with a satisfying conclusion. And they don't all have to be pie in the sky finishes either. Some of the worst ending movies I have ever seen were also some of the most satisfying because the ending perfectly fit the character arch of the lead characters. But for that to work, the writing has to be on point.Excellent video. I have no urge to see any superhero movies. DC and Disney killed it.
I remember when they said the DC Extended Universe was supposed to be for multiverse stories outside the main continuity, like "Joker." That's why they called it the "Extended Universe." This was about 10 years ago. There were supposed to be a bunch of these, including a World War II DC movie by Spielberg. All this was being talked about in DCEU subreddits back then.
Here's hoping Superman Legacy will be good since I liked Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and I thought Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was at least the best superhero movie since X-Men Days of Future Past. Possibly the best superhero movie since The Dark Knight, and best Marvel movie since Spider-man 2, which imo, is the greatest live action comic book adaptation, second best superhero movie after The Incredibles (the only 10/10 for me).
However, Batman the Animated Series is still the greatest comic book adaptation imo.
Merry Christmas, JesterBell! God bless you. Hope you and yours have a joyful and peaceful day!
man of Steel was a dull bore that didn't understand it's main character, trying to make Superman as much like Batman as possible. Then they rushed into the team ups before establishing the characters and building them up so we'd want or care if they team up. They rushed Supermans death into the second film so it obviously wasn't going to last and Superman had barely had a chance to even do anything for his death to mean anything. The villains were all lame. The visuals were ugly overly CGI green screen looking really fake with CGI lights and lazers coming out of every orifice.
Because it was….crap?
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...yep.
Yes
She is completely right. People just stop caring anymore. They are to the point that when holywood anounces they are going to make a movie about a comic or book that audience goes "oh no" instead of being actually excited.
The oposite of love is not hate. You need to care for something to actually hate it. It's apathy for what holywood is doing that shows that these franchises are dead. People literally don't care for any super-hero movie and it's not because of 'super-hero fatige'. it's 'bs fatige'. The only super-hero movies that made bank were spiderman and guardians and that was because they werent woke trash
having a good, positive, inclusive and inspiring message is not the problem if the movie's good. It only starts to become a problem when the message takes precedence over the actual quality of the movie as a whole. It's like swallowing a pill with toilet water with bits of shit in it instead of clean and fresh drinking water.
Guardians 3 has a very progressive, positive message about animal cruelty. Had it been a bad movie, it would've felt preachy.
@@mygetawayart "having a good, positive, inclusive and inspiring message is not the problem" I loved this quote. Because it basically is what the original X-men is all about, but aparently now it's 'problematic'. Because it doesn't make all women perfect and the focus of every second of the story
@@ianesgrecia8568 Exactly, the X-Men are a great example because of just how progressive they were when they came out. The X-Men were a metaphor for all the major civil rights movements, especially the early queer rights movements of the 70's and 80's. It was a comic for all of us who were marginalized because of who we were, to finally have a voice. It mattered back then, and it wasn't surface level either. It dealth with deep, complex characters, without it feeling preachy or superficial because the comics were just that good. Nowadays, making a story about the X-Men means either doing a period-piece or forcing a level of oppression, discrimination and marginalization that isn't there anymore. Every time i think of Marvel doing an X-Men show or movie i think of She-Hulk's entitled speech to Bruce about how hard her life is.
@@mygetawayart Urg. Don't even remind me of She-hulk.
That speech for me was like a fat girl complaining to a homeless men that he is too thin and that was triggering her.
@@mygetawayart "having a good, positive, inclusive and inspiring message is not the problem if the movie's good." then it's not woke. It's just positive inclusive and good message. Something that a lot of movies fail to execute these days.
That leaked comicon trailer of suicide squad was so much better than the movie.
Shpuld been a harley and joker film. But not leto😅😅
Aquaman made a BILLION $$$ because it was RELEASED in DECEMBER 2018 …. Christmas time … big blockbuster in Christmas? Of course it will make $$$.
I kinda like Zach Snyder, but I totally get why people *don't*
And I'm totally here for JesterBell's mental breakdown and subsequent face-heel turn
Same, I like his movies too, but I can understand why others wouldn’t. It also doesn’t help his extremely hardcore fans are some of the most insufferable people ever which kind of sucks because from what I heard, Zack Snyder himself is actually a pretty cool guy in real life.
DC has made a good live-action property though: Doom Patrol. I wasn't a fan of the most recent season, but I'm disappointed that so few people talk about it
Literally the only good one was Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
Snyder had an interesting take on DC. However, I think it was a big mistake to make a "dark" version of DC and aim to have the biggest mainstream and international appeal. People do not want to watch depressing stuff over and over again. They don't bring their kids to sad and depressing movies. Especially internationally where certain themes and ideas don't carry over well. And people don't buy toys to remind themselves of depressing movies. Biggest mistake for DC was that they used a budget large enough where they needed full mainstream appeal and international audiences to make a profit and they made so many gritty/dark stuff that is more niche.
With James Gunn, you kinda did forget that at least at the time peacemaker season one was set in the DCEU. Though yes it’s true. He did not direct a successful DC movie yet. He did direct some successful with DC.
I seen Batman V Superman in theaters first night out huge disappointment. I seen suicide squad part 1 first night out another disappointment then three years later I took my niece to see birds of prey and right there I knew the DCEU was done they completely fucked up big time, but let’s not forget marvel pandered to the woke revolution and they suffered since but after Deadpool 3 and the announcement of avengers doomsday, they might bounce back DC on the other hand. I don’t know 🤷 let’s see what James gun can do because he’s a good Director, but I’m not gonna forget that he’s also a huge creep
Birds of Prey is one of my comfort movies and I love it but it is true that it is not very good.
In all honesty, Blue Beetle wasnt too bad? Certainly not perfect but it was pretty enjoyable.
(PS) - Thank god for The Batman.
Blue Beetle was so bland and safe. They could've done something really interesting with the character like they have done in animated portrayals. Instead it was basically Iron man and Venom combined. Very meh.
And honestly, The Batman was very similar. Just WB trying to recreate what Nolan did with a different director. More dark and gritty, grounded, and self contained. A safe bet for WB. Literally no risk in releasing that movie. I'd rather see the definitive version of Batman finally put to screen. Something that combines his campiness with the serious side. Like what Raimi was able to do with Spiderman. Something fun.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpBlue Beetle was basically Superhero the movie. If you had never seen any other superhero movie before, you would probably enjoy it.
@@jimmyboydonald6578 and that's why I'm not watching it, because I've pretty much already seen it.
FWIW: I _was_ planning on seeing *BLACK ADAM* mainly for the Henry Cavill/Superman post-credit scene.
*THEN* I found out Henry Cavill had been dumped.
I never saw *BLACK ADAM.*
count yourself lucky.
It's a shame too because the score at least for man of Steel and justice league were so good they could definitely carry that tone
I think the core of why these movies didn't work was because the characters felt all over the place they were adapted for the plot and not the other way around
Another problem with Man of Steel was that it was never supposed to kickstart a shared universe.
It was simply DC doing another Dark Knight trilogy, with Superman instead.
They even said that Justice League would more than likely cast a different Superman and Batman outside of their respective franchises.
Next, Man of Steel flops, and they go back to the age old DC model of “Batman and Friends”.
Back when the franchise first started I thought the man of steel movie was a pretty average film and that the sequel would be the one to make or break the franchise. The moment I heard that the sequel was Batman vs superman I facepalmed. It was a terrible direction to take the franchise and the character of Superman because we still hadn’t properly fleshed out the characters and that WB was trying too hard to be the MCU without laying down the foundations that made it so successful. The failure of this franchise ultimately comes down to the executives at Warner brothers who are incredibly incompetent and have not learned anything from their past mistakes.
well done. This is a phenomenal video!
I was just wondering about this and stumbled on your video! Very interesting and very sad that everything went so wrong.
Suicide Squad was originally a Justice League Dark movie. Guillermo Del Torro was working on a Justice League Dark movie with Constantine, Zatana, Swamp Thing, Dead Man, Eterigan, and other characters. Dr Fate would have been in this group eventually. Except the movie went through too many directors. WB had creative differences with Del Toro and went to Doug Liman instead. They wanted to call the project the Dark Universe but Universal took that name already for there movie Universe. That worked so well for Universal except it tanked badly. WB cancelled Justice League Dark and made the animated movie instead. They put the ideas from the movie into the Suicide Squad movie. That is why you have street level characters fighting a magical antagonist like The Enchantress.
“ouch” -jesterbell
It all happened due to trying to rush everything so stories and even castings suffered for characters. This resulted in directors being treated poorly aswell and 10 years being wasted. Snyder Cut is the best they gave us.
6:08 honka honka lmao
The DCEU was doomed the moment they hired Snyder to direct Man of Steel. They put a version of Superman that kills up against some of the most iconic portrayals of Marvel characters ever. They lost. It wasn't even a contest.
Stop acting like Superman doesn't kill he has
@@rileysgaming6860 A writer deciding to make Superman kill doesn't change the iconic image of Superman. He doesn't kill because he represents what humanity could be. All the good. Finding another way. That's Superman. Stop trying to make the character something he's not.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp he killed zod get over it he killed zod in the Christopher Reeves movies but y'all don't talk about that
@@rileysgaming6860 that's why I don't consider the Reeve movies the definitive Superman on film. I'm still waiting for the definitive portrayal of Superman to be put in a live action movie.
Excellent video! Thank you for your hard work!
Merry Christmas to all here and many blessings for the new year. May you all have good health and prosperity ❤🌟🎄🎁🥰
I appreciate that the DCEU tried (and really, "tried") to think outside of the box, but it made it all inconsistent. I would have gone the safe route and started it with Superman, then Batman, then Wonder Woman, then BvS, then flash, then Green Lantern, then Aquaman, then Justice League.
I also wouldn't bog it down with this super serious, gloomy tone we had throughout (it was like listening to Mad World on repeat).
If I was in charge I'd do Batman 1, Superman 1, Batman 2, Superman 2, World's Finest, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Justice League. Gotta put in the work and lay the foundation.
It still infuriates me how easy it would have been to fix Suicide Squad. That was the first, and last, DC movie I got excited for. I was one of the wierdos that emptied out of the tattoo parlors to go see it and I couldn't believe they sold me a ticket to an unfinished film.
2:02 Dude that Thor movie came out in Nov. That's very good for a Nov release.
The DCEU was an idea that had potential and really should have done so much better than Marvel but because of competing visions,severe mischaracterization,executive agendas and many more, it fell apart!
The first Wonder Woman film and Margot's performances as Harley (even if her movies were shit) were the only things worth watching for me. Good riddance 🙃
The DCEU never stood a chance, and I don’t think the DCU will survive either. Nostalgia sells in the superhero space, and people can never grow nostalgic for superhero movies if they don’t take a break from making them. I think Warner Brothers would do good to take a page out of Amazon’s book and focus on making good animated superhero stuff.
I wouldn't necessarily call their animated superhero stuff good. The problem is WB rushing to make Avengers level money without putting in the work. Gunn only seems to be treating this universe as a sandbox for whatever characters he wants, but you can't build a universe off of side/support characters that nobody cares about. Not even really focusing on their most popular characters.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Superman, batman, and supergirl are not side characters. Superman legacy and Brave and the bold are two upcoming movies based two of the most recognizable characters.
@@unknown-iy2we 2 movies out of how many projects? That's not making them the focus. Most of projects are side characters. Who tf asked for an Amanda Waller show? WB and DC are such a mess because they have no clue what fans want. They waste their time and our time. Gunn's DCU is DOA.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Cap.
It takes a lot more than nostalgia to make people like superhero movies,
Harley Quinn's main Birds Of Prey outfit = 🪅👧🏼🎉
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4:15 You are asking for a FIST FIGHT with those words.
DC did not have much of a universe. People can call out the Marvel formula, but it worked really well during 10 years.
I stopped caring after Man of Steel. I've still never re-watched that movie since seeing it at the cinema. So dull and drab and didn't feel like Superman at all.