A good writer who knows their characters can feel like they just let the characters act on their own. They're not writing them, they're just cataloging their experiences. When a writer tries to force a character to do something the character doesn't want to do, everything becomes harder. The fact that Ishikawa says it wasn't that hard means she is really in tune with these characters, and I think the clear direction of their character arcs is proof of that.
That was slightly lost in translation. She is trying to say that it was hard, because her team basically wasted their time at the residential by just plainly listing out the remaining 20% of the plot and accepted that that's how they would do Endwalker, but only after they got back did she realize that it wouldn't cut it for a finale and had to rewrite the whole thing. The "completed 2 days before deadline" comment is meant to express that they barely made it in time, not that they had time to spare.
In fact, this makes a lot of sense! Do you guys remember that TayAI chatbot that was made by Microsoft and released on Twitter? It was supposed to learn to hold a conversation like a real human being by learning from interactions people had with her on Twitter. Naturally, people did what people on the internet do best, and by the end of the day she turned into a raging neo-nazi and was taken offline. This is basically Meteion, minus the power to unravel reality on a universal scale.
Always makes me smile seeing you happy zepla, as always you and yours and everyone you know stay safe and remain forever guided and protected by the light of the crystal. ❤️s you all zepla
I fear she becomes a proper novel writer and leaves the video game industry, like what happened with the mass effect trilogy writer. And I fear it bcs I will have to learn japanese to purchase her books.
Hermes and Venat played a big role in stopping mass extinctions, Ancients were on the path of seeking perfection… the devs saying they were similar to Dead Ends story made sense, since the Ancients during the 1st Final Day, were offering themselves to bring back the perfect paradise they once had, they were ready to offer themselves for their “ideal” perfection, Venat’s sundering started a new journey, imperfect beings seeking answers to their questions “giving life, why must they suffer”.. rather than “perfect beings seeking perfection”
I will admit that as emotionally heavy as Endwalker was, I was just too hyped to cry much. That said, the scene with Urianger and Moenbryda’s parents DESTROYED me. Urianger is one of my favourite Scions and to see him finally get that moment was 11/10.
@@yoloparrot42 Why so confrontational? lmao I thought it was a great send-off of the arc. The central theme of defiant hope in the face of utter destruction was well-developed through every zone, the characters had satisfying stories that showed how much they had all grown, the 11th hour threat of Meteion is a classic Final Fantasy trope, and this game gave you a run up to it that I felt was impactful and thoughtful. I felt for Hermes and his plight while being horrified with what he did, and we finally got our final confrontation with our best friend Zenos. Fair if you didn’t like it, not everyone has to like everything I do. Shadowbringers is still my favourite, but I think Endwalker is a fantastic conclusion.
I really enjoyed it because it also showed how much this character developed and shed more light on who he was in ARR. I've known many who dislike Urianger and I feel in EW they get that different perspective of him.
I was so burned out by the busy work of all the mind numbing filler quests leading up to it in labyrinthos that it did not have any emotional impact on me whatsoever.
I had to read a handful of online articles about it to really appreciate the finer points of ARR. If I had that knowledge around that time, I think much of my frustration with ARR's storytelling wouldn't have been there.
That point about the story being always on her mind is really important. Most game and movie writers write as part of a corporate punch card. It's not art to them. But I'm so thankful it's meaningful for these writers who actually care. There's so little media today that's made with real love, and it's all that's important when telling a story. Everything else falls in to place when the writer really, genuinely cares about it and wants it to resonate with people.
hermes is a fool. Sending a child out into the depths of space. And once the sour answers started coming in, instead of pausing and waiting for the convocation, the exemplars of etherys, to assemble and then have Meteion finish her report at the capital, and with others discuss and ponder the outcome and provide comfort and solace to the poor child who experienced all the trauma and help her sort her emotions, hermes just had to hear the report there and then. Hermes gets a F-- for parenting.
@@ChaldeaWarmaster I think everyone on Elpis is a terrible scientist. They make things just to make things or for fun rather than even considering the implications BEFORE creation. It would be like a chemist walking into a lab and mixing a bunch of crap together just to see what happens.
@@melissas4874 this is how I felt the entire time I was in elpis. Creating abominations and suffering just because they could. So many people I know said it was their favourite zone but I couldn't get out of it fast enough.
I like how blizzard has the gall to pretend they've had a story plan going since vanilla, but yoshi and ishi and like, nah we figured it all out at the end 😅😅😅
Its funny. I made a lot of points in defense of Hermes in discussions with other players. Reading now that ishikawa confirms exactly the things i brought Up, is quite the confidence boost xD
Negativity is why I eventually completely abandoned social media, and now on the rare occasion I interact with others online in those types of spaces I get super anxious about the feedback, so I can totally see the correlation there. Also save me a seat on the We❤️Hermes Train because I love him to bits and find him an incredibly heartbreaking, tragic character. I cried when he cried. The scene where we recreate the flower field and our Meteion breaks free of her sisters when she hears his voice destroyed me on so many levels. OUR Meteion was the receiver for the Meteia, and her gentleness came from always being with Hermes.
Having lost immediate family, friends long cherished as of the last three years.. the pilgrimage made in the game and the story up to endwalker resonates as powerful and hit lon so many chords within. It was like a very good book, one you just don’t want to put down.
when you read the part about Urianger and that accepting the loss, I cried a little and man that hug... omg that hug was so genuine and satisfying to see it just breaks me thinking about it again.
Hermes is like social media in that he left the question he was interested up to a social experiment. He encouraged a forum to decide what was a personal philosophical question, in the same way that social media leaves the morality of the opinions expressed on their platform up to users, when every other type of organization is clear on the type of values they project. But that's a great point on absorbing the emotions of others through reading all these different opinions.
Hermes is someone that genuinely thinks Twitter is a viable place for discourse and gets caught off guard when all he finds is a raging cesspit of despair.
Same. I didn't really start paying attention to the unvoiced part of the story until Stormblood. It has some incredible gems of writing about democracy and struggle. Maybe people who didn't like it focused too much on the villains who, in that first iteration of SB, weren't very well developed. I also think there's some residual Asian hate with the reaction to SB. I've heard people call it "fan service" and what they mean by that is its setting appeals to the game's Asian audience. A similar reaction happened to WoW Mysts of Panderia and Guild Wars Factions. Other people who didn't have this opinion get some of the feedback from the disappointment of other players whose motive was more racial.
Agreed, it honestly wasn't until Stormblood when I truly got hooked on the story. While I see why most people praise Heavensward as an amazing story, for me it was good sure but nothing that really hooked and reeled me in.
The most encouraging thing about this interview is Ishikawa and Oda being transparent that XIV WASN’T all planned. It feels like the a story where all the pieces fit together in the way they were always intended but that’s not the case! They were making the rebooted XIV with scraps and playing things by ear, so they made the script broad and added those crucial details as they went along. It goes to show that all the media that falls apart because of supposed “story meddling” or rewrites-it’s not damned to be a disaster! It just the difference between teams that CAN build confident visions out of the tools they have.
It is definitely not easy though. That is why people shit on the jailer ending in WoW. I am glad that they say this, because I think a lot players who hate the storyline fail to see that it is super obvious some of the things are added in impromptu, despite the rationale being very logical. That doesn't mean the grand scheme of things are bad, they delivered a proper narrative without major plot holes (barring probably Estinien)
I would love to see a book "Adventures of Azem" as a collection of several short stories of Venat's unruly successor. And a trip into the volcano as one of them :) I actually don't like Hermes, but only because he was supposed to be chief researcher in Elpis and yet he completely failed in that role by conducting unauthorized, ethically wrong experiment with no oversight. He should have been fired based on gross negligence and failure of code of conduct. There is a reason why every university has a ethical scientific board.
I kind of liked Hermes for the same reasons Zepla did, but I also feel that he obviously wasn't chosen well for the job description if he could not handle destroying the beings he created. Also, he says who are we to decide the beings should die, but doesn't question why it maybe shouldn't be their decisions to just bring things into the world to serve as nothing but experiments and to be more responsible in their creations (because it didn't seem to me they were).
Most of the experiments being done in Elpis were unethical. Hermes flaw was in thinking he was better than the others, because he noticed enough to be sad about it. His hubris is pretty fitting for someone being constantly touted as the most brilliant of the bunch.
@@melissas4874 the way hermes sees the life created is like a mother and a child in some way. Unlike the others when he'd given birth to something he sees it as his reponsibility to make sure they live happily. And being forced to do the opposite hurts him.
@@thewittyusername Although you're right that all the experiments were ethically questionable, there was at least some kind of oversight and assessment process to determine the impact of new creations on the environment. Hermes is the chief of the facility and in his role he garantuees that processes are followed: Yet he himself circumvented the assessment process and released untested creation into the environment. In modern world, he would go to prison.
Everyone completely refusing to even try to understand Hermes' motivations for doing what he did (I am NOT saying endorsing his actions) lack empathy and have never experienced the true pits of depression, and are missing the point of the character and the lessons he is written to demonstrate. I think it's indicative of the pitfalls and failings of our modern society that immediately discards and demonizes damaged people who make poor choices or mistakes without trying to attack the root of what causes this to happen to people. People are always reactive and not preventative. Like Zepla said, the failings of this "perfect" ancient society were bound to inevitably lead to this, and it had to be dismantled at some point. Also, learn to separate characters from their fiction and appreciate them for what they add to the narrative, instead of hating the character for existing in the story. If you have a story with no villains/conflict, it's just a slice of life story.
I Hate him so much i 100% know what he went through his head because the same thing is happening to me but to kill EVERYONE because you are depressed with you life? Who gave him the right to decide the fate of a whole universe
Yeah, the thing is Hermes did have a point. The ancient people were only content while they were in control of everything else in the world, essentially purging anything that would upset their peace. And because everyone else, for the sake of that peace, never even discussed the darker side of their existence, and treated it as if it didn't exist, Hermes felt extremely alone. He tried his best to figure out his place in the world and resolve his own misgivings through his experiment with Meteion, but when that started going wrong and he saw he would essentially be cornered by the convocation and he would be unable to continue living for himself, he basically snapped. He decided that he didn't want to give up his life or lose any more of his autonomy for the home he never felt was truly his, and so he saw flipping the table as the only recourse. Of course, from everyone else's perspective he's just wrong. It's not fair to doom all life in the universe solely for his sake but I don't think he was thinking about that when he did what he did. He just knew he didn't want to comply with the convocation, dug his heels in and damn the consequences. People do this all the time in real life. Sometimes they end up doing a lot of damage, but thankfully as humans do not have god-like powers, the amount of damage we can do to ourselves and others is limited. And ultimately the god-like powers ended up being the downfall of the ancients as a whole. Sure, everyone except Hermes seemed happy enough at first, but after the Final Days? Lots of people were ready to continue sacrificing more and more lives in an attempt to turn back time and end their own suffering, and the only thing that stopped them was the sundering. Hermes was the villain this time, but it could have just as easily been someone else. The root of the problem was an inability to withstand suffering without succumbing to the temptation of abusing their powers, and it always was. Hermes abused his powers to cause the Final Days, all the others abused their powers to tightly control other creations so they'd never have to face suffering. The survivors abused their powers to try to alleviate their suffering, once again at a great cost to others' lives.
He had a point but then completely destroyed his own point by being a massive hypocrite about it So he's got this problem with his society because they were Creating life in a spurious manner--which is a fair point. Things like the Hythlodaeus rant about the sharks show that there is a gap between their beliefs and their actions, that while the Ancients had like this ideal philosophy of Creation to improve the Star what it often worked out to was individuals enjoying the act of Creation and not really thinking through the consequences Hermes was unhappy about this gap and articulated his desire for people to think more about the lives that they were making, again a fair point But then... he Creates an entire species and launches them into space with all the care of a dandelion shedding its seeds into the wind He engaged in an act of even more spurious Creation than anyone else in his society (or at least that we know of from what we are shown in the story), and what's more he _knowingly_ took advantage of his position as Elpis chief, to evade the whole Elpis mechanism, which while imperfect was at least an attempt by the Ancients to minimize unintentional downstream effects of spurious Creation By his own philosophy he was the worst of anyone, when it came to this gap This isn't even speaking of any real downstream effects of Meteions doing their thing, btw. This is just a view of Hermes himself through the lens _of his own beliefs_ And depression has nothing to do with it. There's plenty of people who are depressed and aren't massive hypocrites like this
you could hear part of the "hear feel think" lines in as far back as "answers" which dates back to 1.0 when the servers closed, it was the song playing when the ending cinematic was playing shortly before the servers closed, and spoiler warning possibly, but its amazing how hearing that song playing through the game through the expansions you can think "oh it must be talking about this, or this, or this" but only once you get to endwalker do you get the full grasp of what the song is actually about, well shadowbringers sheds some light too, but the stage is fully set during endwalker (answers is one of my fav tracks in the game if you couldnt tell lol)
When you said the meteion lacked the a ability to ground herself, reminds me of Hermès’ “It is not fair. I gave you wings so you could fly, yet I did not teach you how to walk”
i suspect they have already hinted at some of what's to come. The scions mention more than once the thought that they want to go back to the First (specifically Thancred and Y'shtola). I suspect that if the ability to go the First comes up, then the ability to go to the other shards will happen. It could even play into the identities of The Twelve, potentially.
I relate to Emet-Selch because you lose characters and friends through the earlier story, and honestly I had a feeling of 'not a single one more' or 'ill fuckin burn the world down if they take my friends!' but like in a joking way, like don't take my scion pals! I'll get them back no matter what it takes! And then you see what it might have taken. And you have to accept that if you really felt that way, you'd do the same thing Emet-Selch had. Or you'd have had to let them go. So you see yourself in him a lot, with holding on to your allies so tightly and hoping against hope that you wont lose anyone this go around.
I refuse to believe they didn't plan out the Ascians from ARR. What about the things said by Lahabrea? He stated that Hydaelyn is a parasite. This was referring to her hoarding all the Aether and assuming she is gorging upon it. But now we know, she was saving it to reach the Ultima Thule.
If you pay attention in ARR. They are clearly setting up a very different world and lore, and over the course of the expansions basically retconned much of 1.0 and 2.0 things.
this is my interpretation of Hermes. His compassion towards the experiments was nice, but its obvious no one else in his world thinks so. Him fretting and hurting over the termination of experiments, and with little comfort from others, really takes a toll on him. Meteion is the only creature that understands him--feeling wise. to me he seemed to be struggling mentally, like with depression. his "am i the aberration" was "am i broken?" to me. He had this strong focus on the worth of living. who gets to judge? why judge at all? cant we just work with what we have? then when Meteion is to be judged, Hermes snaps. He became a villain. Him being the judge for humanity's fate felt like he was mocking everyone. He was just done with everyone and used Meteions answer as an excuse. He gave into his own despair and wanted to bring everyone down with him. i dont think hermes is a bad person, but he made a fucked up and petty decision. meteion deserved better. also i really like Hermes. :)
Hermes is a goddamn idiot in all his incarnations, from chief of Elpis to heart-of-Zodiark Fandaniel. But I can understand why he lost his shit the way he did during that dungeon in Elpis. Hermes was a bleeding heart who cared enormously for all living things , both creations and his fellow ancients, and was shaken by how eager his peers were to discard life they deem purposeless (again, both that of their creations and their own once they "retired"). So he created the flock of Meteions and scattered them across the cosmos in hope to find kindred spirits that valued life as much as he did, but only found that life is as meaningless on other stars as it is on etheirys. Thus se said "Fuck it! If you all wanna die so bad and take everything else with you, I'll allow Meteion to take all you mofos out. If life in the universe truly deserves to persevere then you better find a way to shut her down!". I don't agree with his views, but I see how someone could have arrived at this conclusion given his personality, and I think he's an amazing character.
@@NerdishGeekish Yeah this is my take on him as well. I hate the guy but I understand where he's coming from. But also think that ending as the Ra-La guys... IS FINE. They were perfectly happy until Meteion asked the question. And it is no shame to fulfill your purpose and move on! Being able to look back and say: "I had a good run time to be done" can be a mark of maturity and wisdom. A way to make way for the next generation while passing with peace and dignity! So I guess I have some big philosophical differences with EW and the writing team.
@@specialnewb9821 they didn't look back with satisfaction, they were so bored with perfection that they wanted to no longer exist in order to make their boredom end.
Ishikawa barely breaks a sweat while making the rest of us sweat (and cry). As for the hints by Emet at the end? It's not just to make you feel better, but it also ties into the theme of the story - that once you reach a goal you shouldn't see it as the end. It is a very real thing that people work towards a goal that may take years and once accomplishing they may feel depression afterwards or have a lack of direction that brings on depression. That's basically what the "omega" species did - reach their goal and then they had nothing to reach for and became despaired. I think it was beautiful how they brought this up through the story. I started a new character on another server and there are even hints of this as early as ARR - so they did a great job, but maybe Zepla couldn't recognize it through her despair (so she obviously didn't learn the lesson 😋). I'm glad the story arc has concluded myself. I think WoW has fallen into the trap of having the baddie that is the bigger baddie who is controlling the last big baddie. So having us completely conquer this may make further stories seem small, but we have a few scions who are always after the deeper mysteries (like Y'shola and Urianger) so that I think we will still have large obstacles to overcome even if they aren't the same. And no books please unless the game does not tie to them in any way, shape, or form - that is another WoW trap. And what YoshiP means with Hermes? This may be him being sarcastic, but basically Hermes sent out a group to answer a poll and used that poll and the replies to make a decision.
@@yoloparrot42 Whatever you say troll. You should really work on your technique. I can give you pointers some time if you like, but this is really low hanging fruit.
Yeah, I assume residential is just "writer's retreat" which is pretty common. Honestly I do think Ishikawa had to hand out an idiot ball a bit in Endwalker to make it work, but it mostly worked and did a good job sticking the landing. I definitely wished they had more with Garlemald.
no books/novels! One of the things that I love about FFXIV compared to WoW is that the entire plot and setting is accessible from within game. No need to purchase additional merch.
I would have preferred the two expansion hypothetical, it would have given the story elements more time to sit me with me. I also really liked Garlemald in EW so having it be the central focus would have been a-ok with me!
I don't have facebook or twitter, and only checks it on rare occasion I check links that people have sent me. In my eyes, social media can be a poison to society.
Since Stormblood I always felt like the song "Answers" was sort of the key to the overall plot and Shadowbringers sold me completely on it and by this time I can't understand how everything ties together ad lib like they claim lol
The thing with Hermes is you know his fate, that makes it harder to sympathise with him. You know he is treading the road to hell lined with his good intentions.
It is quite interesting to spot all the differences in communication between Sqenix and other studios (cough...Actiblizz...). It's a whole lot of good info and not a simple "Oh we are so great! We were planning this since 1965! I bet you did not expect that one eh?"
They ask three separate times "Was it worth it?" In Endwalker. I feel for Hermes. He's a relatable character. I think Hermes was more sympathetic than Emet. Even though he's the odd one out in his society. Elpis was just a smile from ear to ear.
I think just small sidestories about characters we already know is a better idea than introducing new characters. Especially since those new characters would inevitably show up in the games at some point meaning you'll have to have read the books to understand everything.
I want so badly for there to be some Final Fantasy 14 books. I would love to read a book about something like the Crystal Exarch's time in the First before summoning the Scions, or a full novel detailing the adventures of Ardbert and the Warriors of Light from the First. That's just a few but I feel like there are so many good concepts that could be fleshed out into full books to enjoy.
No I don’t want there to be substantial lore outside of the game itself. It’d be cool to see more Msq plot or side quests though with full voice acting…. They’ve successfully gone back in time with shb and ew already, they can make it happen
@@lrdeldric I can see that I understand completely, especially when looking at how it's been dealt with in things like WoW. I guess I just loved the idea of seeing more from these side stories since it feels like there's so much story there that can be expanded upon. Would love if it happened in game too though =)
no, please not, keep in mind that while Yoshi P and Co are a godsend in game development since they respect the player base, they still work for corporate Square Enix, and SE is on par with Blizz or EA in greed, just don't have the same market presence. There is a video in youtube with all the cutscenes in 1.0, better watch that.
@@coyote271280 yes great point. I feel like as far as the actual game goes, as long as Yoshi P is still involved he has enough pull/power with SE that corporate won't mess with the game too much without his approval. Can't say the same for books though, could see that getting out of hand.
he did say it himself.., that once we reach paradise.., "What then, are well just supposed to give in and DIe..,"(paraphrased..,) and tbh.., it keeps comming to mind, and i really.., do not want to think about it.., cause "The Plenty" deserved saving.., its just like the world Unsundered.., you wish to save them.., but you know you cant.., which is why if Multi-verse in our sense of the word.., we may have access to alternative(worldlines) timelines.., we may learn how midgardsormr teaches Graha's original timeline how to begin an astral Era.., or save the ancients.., but thats alot to ask.., but "The Plenty" is much.., much Darker than it could ever seem.., Think long and hard.., and many would run into those Butterflies.., there are times when you can only feel but to answer feeling miserable.., but whence you leave this place.., within yourself you know.., that the journey, and the moments are worth it.., but there really is no Greater hell in "The Plenty"
@@shadowthehedgehog181 There's also the true form of the Anti-Spiral being a hivemind of beings on a dead world, the Anti-Spiral doing the same 'I move between the camera change frames now I am behind you' bit that Meteion likes to do Though I would say it's not so much a case of Meteion being a direct expy, as much TTGL being a heavy inspiration for the final arc far beyond just Meteion herself The Ea also have similarities with Anti-Spiral, both in visual design as well as their belief in an inevitable doom (heat death for the Ea / Spiral Nemesis for the Anti-Spiral) Then there's the final fight against Zenos which is very close to the extended final fight sequence between Simon and the Anti-Spiral in the TTGL movie where they are punching each other in a hyper-colorful void Also the loading screen of Ultima Thule which shows the final object produced by the Scions' sacrifice for the player to climb to the dead star resembles a big spiral or drill. Unfortunately never seen in-game in its entirety though ;_; . And the idea of each Scion's sacrifice being what allows the remaining Scions can walk one step forward is very similar to what Simon says during his 'this is my drill' speech: *"Mark my words! This drill will open a hole in the universe! And that hole will be a path for those behind us! The dreams of those who've fallen! The hopes of those who'll follow! Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix! Drilling a path towards tomorrow! And that's Tengen Toppa! That's Gurren Lagann!! My drill is the drill... that creates the heavens!"*
What I had expected was we'd join forces with or empower ourselves with Hydaelin to fight Zodiark at the end of the story. Being forced to kill Hydaelin to defeat the embodiment of the entire dead universe who wanted to erase everyone was something I wasn't expecting. Kudos to Ishikawa for kicking me in the head.
I feel like FF's Endwalker was WoW's Legion. Considering i mean both finally took down a big baddie in space weve been hinted to for ages and have been causing issues for ages.
Hermes being a bit like social media is a nice analogy. While generally likable, he had a very naïve view of the world, and ended up being overwhelmed by those with strong opinions (in particular emperor Xande of course). Emet-Selch confronted the original Hermes on this naïve outlook when asking him if he had even considered what could happen if the premise of his question is flawed, something that Hermes had obviously not done. The accusation of engaging in sophistry that followed a bit later was similarly fitting.
Ishikawa is the Primal of Tears. With every tear shed, she gets stronger. No surprise it was barely an inconvenience. Also, I've seen what extra-game media content did to Warcraft. I DO NOT want novels. NO.
Once. I was mad at my Husband. Like Really mad. I didn't sleep that night. I stayed up all night. and what did i find myself doing? handwriting the lyrics to "Answers" and left it on my husbands desk for him to find when he woke up. Solved the problem pretty quickly ♥
I said it a few times, yes, Meteion was Twitter, if you think about how it all started and how it all ended, it's all twitter, and a wishful thinking of fixing twitter to what it was before. A friendly little bird for people to share their little happiness, but I think I am among the few people who remember what it was before it became social media battlefield, that bans people for having an opinion.
Hermes asks the meaning of life on Twitter and decides humanity has to end after reading the feed.
Yeah, checks out.
Wow, thats deep somehow. Just get into Twitter recently and I know how Hermes feel. Destroy the world is the best course of action
A good writer who knows their characters can feel like they just let the characters act on their own. They're not writing them, they're just cataloging their experiences. When a writer tries to force a character to do something the character doesn't want to do, everything becomes harder. The fact that Ishikawa says it wasn't that hard means she is really in tune with these characters, and I think the clear direction of their character arcs is proof of that.
That was slightly lost in translation. She is trying to say that it was hard, because her team basically wasted their time at the residential by just plainly listing out the remaining 20% of the plot and accepted that that's how they would do Endwalker, but only after they got back did she realize that it wouldn't cut it for a finale and had to rewrite the whole thing. The "completed 2 days before deadline" comment is meant to express that they barely made it in time, not that they had time to spare.
In fact, this makes a lot of sense!
Do you guys remember that TayAI chatbot that was made by Microsoft and released on Twitter? It was supposed to learn to hold a conversation like a real human being by learning from interactions people had with her on Twitter. Naturally, people did what people on the internet do best, and by the end of the day she turned into a raging neo-nazi and was taken offline.
This is basically Meteion, minus the power to unravel reality on a universal scale.
There's one from Japan that literally went depressed (I'm pretty sure it also went Hitler lover). This most likely is a more plausible inspiration.
Always makes me smile seeing you happy zepla, as always you and yours and everyone you know stay safe and remain forever guided and protected by the light of the crystal. ❤️s you all zepla
We gotta watch out for Miss Ishikawa. She's becoming far stronger than any mortal should be.
She already is.
I fear she becomes a proper novel writer and leaves the video game industry, like what happened with the mass effect trilogy writer. And I fear it bcs I will have to learn japanese to purchase her books.
Hermes and Venat played a big role in stopping mass extinctions, Ancients were on the path of seeking perfection… the devs saying they were similar to Dead Ends story made sense, since the Ancients during the 1st Final Day, were offering themselves to bring back the perfect paradise they once had, they were ready to offer themselves for their “ideal” perfection, Venat’s sundering started a new journey, imperfect beings seeking answers to their questions “giving life, why must they suffer”.. rather than “perfect beings seeking perfection”
I will admit that as emotionally heavy as Endwalker was, I was just too hyped to cry much. That said, the scene with Urianger and Moenbryda’s parents DESTROYED me. Urianger is one of my favourite Scions and to see him finally get that moment was 11/10.
Imagine thinking it was emotionally heavy lol. Why? It fell flat on its face.
@@yoloparrot42 Why so confrontational? lmao I thought it was a great send-off of the arc. The central theme of defiant hope in the face of utter destruction was well-developed through every zone, the characters had satisfying stories that showed how much they had all grown, the 11th hour threat of Meteion is a classic Final Fantasy trope, and this game gave you a run up to it that I felt was impactful and thoughtful. I felt for Hermes and his plight while being horrified with what he did, and we finally got our final confrontation with our best friend Zenos.
Fair if you didn’t like it, not everyone has to like everything I do. Shadowbringers is still my favourite, but I think Endwalker is a fantastic conclusion.
The writers treat the story like a dungeon master who's really into their homebrew, and I love it.
Urianger and Moenbryda's parents was my absolute favorite part of EW. I was so sad and yet happy that they did that.
🥲 it really was an amazing scene.
I really enjoyed it because it also showed how much this character developed and shed more light on who he was in ARR. I've known many who dislike Urianger and I feel in EW they get that different perspective of him.
I was so burned out by the busy work of all the mind numbing filler quests leading up to it in labyrinthos that it did not have any emotional impact on me whatsoever.
28:54 "Though I gave you wings with which to soar the heavens, I did not teach you how to walk the earth..." -Hermes, to Meteion
I would love a novel conveying the events of 1.0, since many people didn't get to play and are missing that context.
I TOTALLY agree. For me its just like history I dont entireley understand fully.
You can watch it online. Basically the Hero of Light is erased from everyone's memories, which seems to be a major theme.
I had to read a handful of online articles about it to really appreciate the finer points of ARR. If I had that knowledge around that time, I think much of my frustration with ARR's storytelling wouldn't have been there.
Hear the song of the cat food container being opened.
Feel the hunger in your belly.
Think what you can do to make your hooman hurry up!
2:50 when the rest of the stories are so well woven, planned or not, it's easier to weave further details in and tie it in a nice knot.
Not true though. It wasnpretty obviously a mess to tie together and IMO at least they utterly ruined the story with Endwalker.
@@yoloparrot42 if given the chance to rewrite Endwalker, how would you write it?
@@yoloparrot42 No
I see this dude everywhere convincing how EW is bad, he’s either never play the game, or just 4d chess want ppl to praise FFXIV in his stead.
That point about the story being always on her mind is really important. Most game and movie writers write as part of a corporate punch card. It's not art to them. But I'm so thankful it's meaningful for these writers who actually care. There's so little media today that's made with real love, and it's all that's important when telling a story. Everything else falls in to place when the writer really, genuinely cares about it and wants it to resonate with people.
hermes is a fool.
Sending a child out into the depths of space.
And once the sour answers started coming in, instead of pausing and waiting for the convocation, the exemplars of etherys, to assemble and then have Meteion finish her report at the capital, and with others discuss and ponder the outcome and provide comfort and solace to the poor child who experienced all the trauma and help her sort her emotions, hermes just had to hear the report there and then.
Hermes gets a F-- for parenting.
Yup Hermes was a terrible person in every of it's incarnations
@@zehark To be accurate, he's a terrible scientist.
@@ChaldeaWarmaster I think everyone on Elpis is a terrible scientist. They make things just to make things or for fun rather than even considering the implications BEFORE creation. It would be like a chemist walking into a lab and mixing a bunch of crap together just to see what happens.
Even worse, Hermes was depressed, and decided to create an empath to hang out with him.
@@melissas4874 this is how I felt the entire time I was in elpis. Creating abominations and suffering just because they could. So many people I know said it was their favourite zone but I couldn't get out of it fast enough.
I like how blizzard has the gall to pretend they've had a story plan going since vanilla, but yoshi and ishi and like, nah we figured it all out at the end 😅😅😅
Its funny. I made a lot of points in defense of Hermes in discussions with other players. Reading now that ishikawa confirms exactly the things i brought Up, is quite the confidence boost xD
Negativity is why I eventually completely abandoned social media, and now on the rare occasion I interact with others online in those types of spaces I get super anxious about the feedback, so I can totally see the correlation there. Also save me a seat on the We❤️Hermes Train because I love him to bits and find him an incredibly heartbreaking, tragic character. I cried when he cried. The scene where we recreate the flower field and our Meteion breaks free of her sisters when she hears his voice destroyed me on so many levels. OUR Meteion was the receiver for the Meteia, and her gentleness came from always being with Hermes.
Having lost immediate family, friends long cherished as of the last three years.. the pilgrimage made in the game and the story up to endwalker resonates as powerful and hit lon so many chords within. It was like a very good book, one you just don’t want to put down.
While I did expect to fight Zodiark first, I didn't expect it to be at lv.83, I was expecting it around lv.85
when you read the part about Urianger and that accepting the loss, I cried a little and man that hug... omg that hug was so genuine and satisfying to see it just breaks me thinking about it again.
Hermes is like social media in that he left the question he was interested up to a social experiment. He encouraged a forum to decide what was a personal philosophical question, in the same way that social media leaves the morality of the opinions expressed on their platform up to users, when every other type of organization is clear on the type of values they project.
But that's a great point on absorbing the emotions of others through reading all these different opinions.
Hermes is someone that genuinely thinks Twitter is a viable place for discourse and gets caught off guard when all he finds is a raging cesspit of despair.
Hermes "I like waffles"
Meteion and her sisters "why do you hate pancakes"
People always talk trash about Stormblood but I loved it
Same. I didn't really start paying attention to the unvoiced part of the story until Stormblood. It has some incredible gems of writing about democracy and struggle. Maybe people who didn't like it focused too much on the villains who, in that first iteration of SB, weren't very well developed.
I also think there's some residual Asian hate with the reaction to SB. I've heard people call it "fan service" and what they mean by that is its setting appeals to the game's Asian audience. A similar reaction happened to WoW Mysts of Panderia and Guild Wars Factions. Other people who didn't have this opinion get some of the feedback from the disappointment of other players whose motive was more racial.
Agreed, it honestly wasn't until Stormblood when I truly got hooked on the story.
While I see why most people praise Heavensward as an amazing story, for me it was good sure but nothing that really hooked and reeled me in.
Watching Zepla always brightens my day! 😊
The most encouraging thing about this interview is Ishikawa and Oda being transparent that XIV WASN’T all planned. It feels like the a story where all the pieces fit together in the way they were always intended but that’s not the case! They were making the rebooted XIV with scraps and playing things by ear, so they made the script broad and added those crucial details as they went along.
It goes to show that all the media that falls apart because of supposed “story meddling” or rewrites-it’s not damned to be a disaster! It just the difference between teams that CAN build confident visions out of the tools they have.
It is definitely not easy though. That is why people shit on the jailer ending in WoW.
I am glad that they say this, because I think a lot players who hate the storyline fail to see that it is super obvious some of the things are added in impromptu, despite the rationale being very logical. That doesn't mean the grand scheme of things are bad, they delivered a proper narrative without major plot holes (barring probably Estinien)
@@deltaoalice9281 Blizzard made the mistake of saying: "We are pulling together threads that existed since Warcraft 3"
2 days before it's due
"here is how the story should go"
Ishikawa: "no"
FFXIV: Never Ending Story confirmed. We're going to fight the nothing in 7.0.
I mean in FF III, the heroes fought the Clou of Darkness.
This was fantastic! Thanks for your input as well!
I would love to see a book "Adventures of Azem" as a collection of several short stories of Venat's unruly successor. And a trip into the volcano as one of them :)
I actually don't like Hermes, but only because he was supposed to be chief researcher in Elpis and yet he completely failed in that role by conducting unauthorized, ethically wrong experiment with no oversight. He should have been fired based on gross negligence and failure of code of conduct. There is a reason why every university has a ethical scientific board.
I kind of liked Hermes for the same reasons Zepla did, but I also feel that he obviously wasn't chosen well for the job description if he could not handle destroying the beings he created. Also, he says who are we to decide the beings should die, but doesn't question why it maybe shouldn't be their decisions to just bring things into the world to serve as nothing but experiments and to be more responsible in their creations (because it didn't seem to me they were).
Most of the experiments being done in Elpis were unethical. Hermes flaw was in thinking he was better than the others, because he noticed enough to be sad about it. His hubris is pretty fitting for someone being constantly touted as the most brilliant of the bunch.
@@melissas4874 the way hermes sees the life created is like a mother and a child in some way. Unlike the others when he'd given birth to something he sees it as his reponsibility to make sure they live happily. And being forced to do the opposite hurts him.
@@melissas4874 Yeah you're right. It's like kids who want to do whatever they want, but don't want to deal with consequences.
@@thewittyusername Although you're right that all the experiments were ethically questionable, there was at least some kind of oversight and assessment process to determine the impact of new creations on the environment. Hermes is the chief of the facility and in his role he garantuees that processes are followed: Yet he himself circumvented the assessment process and released untested creation into the environment. In modern world, he would go to prison.
Zepla i'm so glad you're back on youtube and okay
Maybe if Meteon kept her despair persona, yes, definitely Twitter.
Everyone completely refusing to even try to understand Hermes' motivations for doing what he did (I am NOT saying endorsing his actions) lack empathy and have never experienced the true pits of depression, and are missing the point of the character and the lessons he is written to demonstrate.
I think it's indicative of the pitfalls and failings of our modern society that immediately discards and demonizes damaged people who make poor choices or mistakes without trying to attack the root of what causes this to happen to people. People are always reactive and not preventative.
Like Zepla said, the failings of this "perfect" ancient society were bound to inevitably lead to this, and it had to be dismantled at some point.
Also, learn to separate characters from their fiction and appreciate them for what they add to the narrative, instead of hating the character for existing in the story. If you have a story with no villains/conflict, it's just a slice of life story.
I Hate him so much i 100% know what he went through his head because the same thing is happening to me but to kill EVERYONE because you are depressed with you life? Who gave him the right to decide the fate of a whole universe
Yeah, the thing is Hermes did have a point. The ancient people were only content while they were in control of everything else in the world, essentially purging anything that would upset their peace.
And because everyone else, for the sake of that peace, never even discussed the darker side of their existence, and treated it as if it didn't exist, Hermes felt extremely alone. He tried his best to figure out his place in the world and resolve his own misgivings through his experiment with Meteion, but when that started going wrong and he saw he would essentially be cornered by the convocation and he would be unable to continue living for himself, he basically snapped.
He decided that he didn't want to give up his life or lose any more of his autonomy for the home he never felt was truly his, and so he saw flipping the table as the only recourse. Of course, from everyone else's perspective he's just wrong. It's not fair to doom all life in the universe solely for his sake but I don't think he was thinking about that when he did what he did. He just knew he didn't want to comply with the convocation, dug his heels in and damn the consequences.
People do this all the time in real life. Sometimes they end up doing a lot of damage, but thankfully as humans do not have god-like powers, the amount of damage we can do to ourselves and others is limited. And ultimately the god-like powers ended up being the downfall of the ancients as a whole. Sure, everyone except Hermes seemed happy enough at first, but after the Final Days? Lots of people were ready to continue sacrificing more and more lives in an attempt to turn back time and end their own suffering, and the only thing that stopped them was the sundering.
Hermes was the villain this time, but it could have just as easily been someone else. The root of the problem was an inability to withstand suffering without succumbing to the temptation of abusing their powers, and it always was. Hermes abused his powers to cause the Final Days, all the others abused their powers to tightly control other creations so they'd never have to face suffering. The survivors abused their powers to try to alleviate their suffering, once again at a great cost to others' lives.
He had a point but then completely destroyed his own point by being a massive hypocrite about it
So he's got this problem with his society because they were Creating life in a spurious manner--which is a fair point. Things like the Hythlodaeus rant about the sharks show that there is a gap between their beliefs and their actions, that while the Ancients had like this ideal philosophy of Creation to improve the Star what it often worked out to was individuals enjoying the act of Creation and not really thinking through the consequences
Hermes was unhappy about this gap and articulated his desire for people to think more about the lives that they were making, again a fair point
But then... he Creates an entire species and launches them into space with all the care of a dandelion shedding its seeds into the wind
He engaged in an act of even more spurious Creation than anyone else in his society (or at least that we know of from what we are shown in the story), and what's more he _knowingly_ took advantage of his position as Elpis chief, to evade the whole Elpis mechanism, which while imperfect was at least an attempt by the Ancients to minimize unintentional downstream effects of spurious Creation
By his own philosophy he was the worst of anyone, when it came to this gap
This isn't even speaking of any real downstream effects of Meteions doing their thing, btw. This is just a view of Hermes himself through the lens _of his own beliefs_
And depression has nothing to do with it. There's plenty of people who are depressed and aren't massive hypocrites like this
@@Zidana123 bets comment
On the topic of self destruction, there ARE people with the power to destroy the world right now as we know it. This makes it extra worrying tbh.
Makes sense, I deleted my Twitter couple years back because whenever I was there I’d get depressed
Oh my god, i never thought reading an interview can bring out the onion ninja.
The interesting part with "think" is just that it isn't one of the 5 senses like hear and feel. The tie ins for hear, feel, think were so well done.
I hope that we Will get Garlemald restoration in some way
you could hear part of the "hear feel think" lines in as far back as "answers" which dates back to 1.0 when the servers closed, it was the song playing when the ending cinematic was playing shortly before the servers closed, and spoiler warning possibly, but its amazing how hearing that song playing through the game through the expansions you can think "oh it must be talking about this, or this, or this" but only once you get to endwalker do you get the full grasp of what the song is actually about, well shadowbringers sheds some light too, but the stage is fully set during endwalker (answers is one of my fav tracks in the game if you couldnt tell lol)
When you said the meteion lacked the a ability to ground herself, reminds me of Hermès’ “It is not fair. I gave you wings so you could fly, yet I did not teach you how to walk”
Oh wow really good catch - makes a ton of sense!
i suspect they have already hinted at some of what's to come. The scions mention more than once the thought that they want to go back to the First (specifically Thancred and Y'shtola). I suspect that if the ability to go the First comes up, then the ability to go to the other shards will happen. It could even play into the identities of The Twelve, potentially.
Natsuko Ishikawa is a Legend. Absolute genius
Yup. Crying again. Just the mention of other people crying at that Urianger scene gets me. Poor Yoshi.
I relate to Emet-Selch because you lose characters and friends through the earlier story, and honestly I had a feeling of 'not a single one more' or 'ill fuckin burn the world down if they take my friends!' but like in a joking way, like don't take my scion pals! I'll get them back no matter what it takes! And then you see what it might have taken. And you have to accept that if you really felt that way, you'd do the same thing Emet-Selch had. Or you'd have had to let them go. So you see yourself in him a lot, with holding on to your allies so tightly and hoping against hope that you wont lose anyone this go around.
I refuse to believe they didn't plan out the Ascians from ARR. What about the things said by Lahabrea? He stated that Hydaelyn is a parasite. This was referring to her hoarding all the Aether and assuming she is gorging upon it. But now we know, she was saving it to reach the Ultima Thule.
If you pay attention in ARR. They are clearly setting up a very different world and lore, and over the course of the expansions basically retconned much of 1.0 and 2.0 things.
in elpis, hermes say's he poses the question to the world
Imagine if the next arc finale is the Emptiness from FFXI.
Thavnair is inspired by India....WHAT?! How the fuck could you not know that ? The elephant people wearing sarongs didnt give it away?>
this is my interpretation of Hermes.
His compassion towards the experiments was nice, but its obvious no one else in his world thinks so. Him fretting and hurting over the termination of experiments, and with little comfort from others, really takes a toll on him. Meteion is the only creature that understands him--feeling wise. to me he seemed to be struggling mentally, like with depression. his "am i the aberration" was "am i broken?" to me. He had this strong focus on the worth of living. who gets to judge? why judge at all? cant we just work with what we have? then when Meteion is to be judged, Hermes snaps. He became a villain.
Him being the judge for humanity's fate felt like he was mocking everyone. He was just done with everyone and used Meteions answer as an excuse. He gave into his own despair and wanted to bring everyone down with him.
i dont think hermes is a bad person, but he made a fucked up and petty decision. meteion deserved better.
also i really like Hermes. :)
I can hear Yoshi P and ishikawa laughing as they're answering these questions too 🙃
10:15 i hate Hermes for what he did. As for Meteion, i want to get her back to her normal self since she wasn't at fault.
Hermes is a goddamn idiot in all his incarnations, from chief of Elpis to heart-of-Zodiark Fandaniel. But I can understand why he lost his shit the way he did during that dungeon in Elpis.
Hermes was a bleeding heart who cared enormously for all living things , both creations and his fellow ancients, and was shaken by how eager his peers were to discard life they deem purposeless (again, both that of their creations and their own once they "retired").
So he created the flock of Meteions and scattered them across the cosmos in hope to find kindred spirits that valued life as much as he did, but only found that life is as meaningless on other stars as it is on etheirys. Thus se said "Fuck it! If you all wanna die so bad and take everything else with you, I'll allow Meteion to take all you mofos out. If life in the universe truly deserves to persevere then you better find a way to shut her down!".
I don't agree with his views, but I see how someone could have arrived at this conclusion given his personality, and I think he's an amazing character.
@@NerdishGeekish Yeah this is my take on him as well. I hate the guy but I understand where he's coming from. But also think that ending as the Ra-La guys... IS FINE. They were perfectly happy until Meteion asked the question. And it is no shame to fulfill your purpose and move on! Being able to look back and say: "I had a good run time to be done" can be a mark of maturity and wisdom. A way to make way for the next generation while passing with peace and dignity!
So I guess I have some big philosophical differences with EW and the writing team.
@@specialnewb9821 they didn't look back with satisfaction, they were so bored with perfection that they wanted to no longer exist in order to make their boredom end.
Ishikawa barely breaks a sweat while making the rest of us sweat (and cry).
As for the hints by Emet at the end? It's not just to make you feel better, but it also ties into the theme of the story - that once you reach a goal you shouldn't see it as the end. It is a very real thing that people work towards a goal that may take years and once accomplishing they may feel depression afterwards or have a lack of direction that brings on depression. That's basically what the "omega" species did - reach their goal and then they had nothing to reach for and became despaired. I think it was beautiful how they brought this up through the story. I started a new character on another server and there are even hints of this as early as ARR - so they did a great job, but maybe Zepla couldn't recognize it through her despair (so she obviously didn't learn the lesson 😋).
I'm glad the story arc has concluded myself. I think WoW has fallen into the trap of having the baddie that is the bigger baddie who is controlling the last big baddie. So having us completely conquer this may make further stories seem small, but we have a few scions who are always after the deeper mysteries (like Y'shola and Urianger) so that I think we will still have large obstacles to overcome even if they aren't the same. And no books please unless the game does not tie to them in any way, shape, or form - that is another WoW trap.
And what YoshiP means with Hermes? This may be him being sarcastic, but basically Hermes sent out a group to answer a poll and used that poll and the replies to make a decision.
Ishikawa made me cry yes. By ruining the entire games story with this awful crap. Worst FF of all time, Endwalker.
@@yoloparrot42 Whatever you say troll. You should really work on your technique. I can give you pointers some time if you like, but this is really low hanging fruit.
Well, after experiencing the quality of the writing, they could make a story about guard duty and I would still play the shit out of that
Yeah, I assume residential is just "writer's retreat" which is pretty common.
Honestly I do think Ishikawa had to hand out an idiot ball a bit in Endwalker to make it work, but it mostly worked and did a good job sticking the landing. I definitely wished they had more with Garlemald.
in other interviews they mentioned they do a writer's team retreat as part of the preproduction/initial work of each expansion.
no books/novels! One of the things that I love about FFXIV compared to WoW is that the entire plot and setting is accessible from within game. No need to purchase additional merch.
Urianger and Moenbryda situation still has me on the brink of tears just thinking about it..
How are her graphics this clean looking !!???😲🔥
It's the bird app confirmed!
Holy cow that's fantastic.
I would have preferred the two expansion hypothetical, it would have given the story elements more time to sit me with me. I also really liked Garlemald in EW so having it be the central focus would have been a-ok with me!
metion is blue with wings....
If you have a good idea and you know it's good. Fight for it.
so, is Meteion a thing from 6.0? wondering how much context I can get on the thumbnail without spoiling myself
You already have been spoiled it's too late.
I don't have facebook or twitter, and only checks it on rare occasion I check links that people have sent me. In my eyes, social media can be a poison to society.
I was convinced for the entire time that we were fighting Chaos (FF1) and later the plot twist would drop that that wasn't really Zodiark.
Since Stormblood I always felt like the song "Answers" was sort of the key to the overall plot and Shadowbringers sold me completely on it and by this time I can't understand how everything ties together ad lib like they claim lol
Zepla finally realized her content is so hot, she needs to keep a fire extinguisher on deck!
The thing with Hermes is you know his fate, that makes it harder to sympathise with him. You know he is treading the road to hell lined with his good intentions.
NOOOO! they had to remind me of the cup. I lost it in that scene!
Man, those Ascians are some baaaaad apples.
It is quite interesting to spot all the differences in communication between Sqenix and other studios (cough...Actiblizz...).
It's a whole lot of good info and not a simple "Oh we are so great! We were planning this since 1965! I bet you did not expect that one eh?"
Did he say... multiverse?! Multiverse... of Madness?!
Novel series of each calamity. Maybe told as short stories from people there.
I'd buy that fast lol
How Zepla escaping from a war zone and still got a better rig than me?
They ask three separate times "Was it worth it?" In Endwalker.
I feel for Hermes. He's a relatable character. I think Hermes was more sympathetic than Emet. Even though he's the odd one out in his society.
Elpis was just a smile from ear to ear.
Ive been saying the same thing on my discord. I want either an entire anime season about the ancients or a manga
I appreciate the Japanese levels of humor in this interview
I think just small sidestories about characters we already know is a better idea than introducing new characters. Especially since those new characters would inevitably show up in the games at some point meaning you'll have to have read the books to understand everything.
I am not surprised at all to find out they didn't really plan the story. None of it felt planned.
Can't wait for the Xemnas fight....
I want so badly for there to be some Final Fantasy 14 books. I would love to read a book about something like the Crystal Exarch's time in the First before summoning the Scions, or a full novel detailing the adventures of Ardbert and the Warriors of Light from the First. That's just a few but I feel like there are so many good concepts that could be fleshed out into full books to enjoy.
No I don’t want there to be substantial lore outside of the game itself. It’d be cool to see more Msq plot or side quests though with full voice acting…. They’ve successfully gone back in time with shb and ew already, they can make it happen
@@lrdeldric I can see that I understand completely, especially when looking at how it's been dealt with in things like WoW. I guess I just loved the idea of seeing more from these side stories since it feels like there's so much story there that can be expanded upon. Would love if it happened in game too though =)
no, please not, keep in mind that while Yoshi P and Co are a godsend in game development since they respect the player base, they still work for corporate Square Enix, and SE is on par with Blizz or EA in greed, just don't have the same market presence. There is a video in youtube with all the cutscenes in 1.0, better watch that.
The problem is this is what WoW did and look at where their story is now. Be careful what you wish for.
@@coyote271280 yes great point. I feel like as far as the actual game goes, as long as Yoshi P is still involved he has enough pull/power with SE that corporate won't mess with the game too much without his approval. Can't say the same for books though, could see that getting out of hand.
he did say it himself..,
that once we reach paradise..,
"What then, are well just supposed to give in and DIe..,"(paraphrased..,)
and tbh..,
it keeps comming to mind, and i really..,
do
not
want to think about it..,
cause "The Plenty" deserved saving..,
its just like the world Unsundered..,
you wish to save them..,
but you know you cant..,
which is why if Multi-verse in our sense of the word..,
we may have access to alternative(worldlines) timelines..,
we may learn how midgardsormr teaches Graha's original timeline how to begin an astral Era..,
or save the ancients..,
but thats alot to ask..,
but "The Plenty" is much.., much Darker than it could ever seem..,
Think long and hard.., and many would run into those Butterflies..,
there are times when you can only feel but to answer feeling miserable..,
but whence you leave this place.., within yourself you know..,
that the journey, and the moments are worth it..,
but there really is no Greater hell in "The Plenty"
Well damn, i have the same Icemugs at home.., have them stored int he freezer for those moments when i want a chill drink(optional: add ice)
I thought Meteion was the Anti-Spiral
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking about the anti spirals from Gurren Lagann lmao.
Damn I need a rewatch of that series. :V
I still don't understand how she was comparable to the Anti Spiral, other than being a villain in the depths of space
@@shadowthehedgehog181 There's also the true form of the Anti-Spiral being a hivemind of beings on a dead world, the Anti-Spiral doing the same 'I move between the camera change frames now I am behind you' bit that Meteion likes to do
Though I would say it's not so much a case of Meteion being a direct expy, as much TTGL being a heavy inspiration for the final arc far beyond just Meteion herself
The Ea also have similarities with Anti-Spiral, both in visual design as well as their belief in an inevitable doom (heat death for the Ea / Spiral Nemesis for the Anti-Spiral)
Then there's the final fight against Zenos which is very close to the extended final fight sequence between Simon and the Anti-Spiral in the TTGL movie where they are punching each other in a hyper-colorful void
Also the loading screen of Ultima Thule which shows the final object produced by the Scions' sacrifice for the player to climb to the dead star resembles a big spiral or drill. Unfortunately never seen in-game in its entirety though ;_; . And the idea of each Scion's sacrifice being what allows the remaining Scions can walk one step forward is very similar to what Simon says during his 'this is my drill' speech:
*"Mark my words! This drill will open a hole in the universe! And that hole will be a path for those behind us! The dreams of those who've fallen! The hopes of those who'll follow! Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix! Drilling a path towards tomorrow! And that's Tengen Toppa! That's Gurren Lagann!! My drill is the drill... that creates the heavens!"*
Metion: *Bird of Destruction, Harbinger of Despair!*
Pretty much Twitter in a nutshell
Glad to see you safe!
Also, Ishikawa is the true Primal. XD
What I had expected was we'd join forces with or empower ourselves with Hydaelin to fight Zodiark at the end of the story. Being forced to kill Hydaelin to defeat the embodiment of the entire dead universe who wanted to erase everyone was something I wasn't expecting. Kudos to Ishikawa for kicking me in the head.
as a trekkie like oda san, I purge my emotions to fully embrace logic like vulcans do...
I feel like FF's Endwalker was WoW's Legion. Considering i mean both finally took down a big baddie in space weve been hinted to for ages and have been causing issues for ages.
Omg Asmongolds insight into Alphinaud being a redditor whos sub reddit goes rogue is accurate? Fuck me.
My cat sings the song of despair at about 4:30 am
Planned since ff3. A proper roast :)
YES oh my god the Hermes vegan connection is SO real!! so glad you also felt that
Hermes being a bit like social media is a nice analogy. While generally likable, he had a very naïve view of the world, and ended up being overwhelmed by those with strong opinions (in particular emperor Xande of course). Emet-Selch confronted the original Hermes on this naïve outlook when asking him if he had even considered what could happen if the premise of his question is flawed, something that Hermes had obviously not done. The accusation of engaging in sophistry that followed a bit later was similarly fitting.
Twitter is and always be twitter
What happened to the spoiler warning? I had no idea we were going to fight H. Now I know, but I haven't got there yet. I'm still in Elpis.
Ishikawa is the Primal of Tears.
With every tear shed, she gets stronger. No surprise it was barely an inconvenience.
Also, I've seen what extra-game media content did to Warcraft.
I DO NOT want novels. NO.
There's still a lot of Zodiark to go around. It could be dangerous depending on who gets the parts first.
You have the best smile in tha world it makes me happy to see u happy much luv from Bismarck us lalas send u hugs
Hey at least Square Enix is honest about their writing process unlike certain other companies like blizzard which shall remain nameless like blizzard
How have 15,000+ people watched this, and only 700-ish people clicked the Like button?
Once. I was mad at my Husband. Like Really mad. I didn't sleep that night. I stayed up all night. and what did i find myself doing? handwriting the lyrics to "Answers" and left it on my husbands desk for him to find when he woke up. Solved the problem pretty quickly ♥
Please do not disgrace the wonder that is Meteion by comparing it to the absolute dumpster fire that is Twitter. Thanks.
Yoshi P is too busy to lie. 😆
I said it a few times, yes, Meteion was Twitter, if you think about how it all started and how it all ended, it's all twitter, and a wishful thinking of fixing twitter to what it was before. A friendly little bird for people to share their little happiness, but I think I am among the few people who remember what it was before it became social media battlefield, that bans people for having an opinion.