I am amazed that a seriously injured woman could spend 17 seconds crying for help to the energency services, followed by a muffled report, then the sounds of the house being rifled.. surely this should have set an immediate enquiry in motion? Even if the despatcher thought the initial sounds were from a child??
But it’s not even caution: the cries and other sounds demonstrate clearly that something - whatever it is, child or not - demand immediate investigation.
reading the credits at the end I noticed the Narrator was Jill Dando who then was murdered only 6 years later and whose Murder is still unsolved. how tragic
This video is of two separate Crimewatch specials on this murder case - the first is narrated by Sue Cook, the second by Jill Dando. Yes, sadly ironic that Jill Dando would also be shot dead like this poor couple, just a few years later.
@@MsVanorak I seem to recall police had a theory that Eastern European gangsters were probably linked, due to the type of gun/ammo used. Does that ring a bell with you?
what shocks me most in this case is the 999 call , how the dispatcher was rewarded with paid administration leave upon hearing the mistake that had been made when the call was terminated, assuming a child had called 999 and not a near death victim with a bullet riddled face .
@@mknels1299you accumulate holiday and sick days. You can use holiday for sickness days. I worked in a teaching hospital but government involved, giving free health care and priority outpatient appointments over the great unwashed. Annoying but the hospital benefitted from the state govt. getting state of the art equipment, etc. the salary was much higher than a regular secretarial job. We also had free dental and medical benefits which most companies provide. Plus every holiday in the book. It was a long time ago but I think we didn't pay for benefits as most companies do. When my father was dying in England I believe I took about two months. After my mother died a few months later later I also had whatever I wanted. She was in a car accident and I wasn't there. A terrible time having to see to everything, selling house, clearing out and no family. So I'm all for federally funded jobs. Wish I had it now in my old age! I should add I worked there for 10 years and you can accumulate more the longer you're there.
All tax, needed to pay for the upkeep of 100s of 1000s young muslim men, who are coming here in fear of there lives, dressed in the latest Nike trainers, the latest mobile phones, and they've all lost any form of ID. I feel so sorry for them, I'll maybe offer some of them refuge in my home, following the example of, Gary Linicker, Elton John, Bob Geldof, Naga Munchetty, I really admire them. Every little bit of charity helps. The village I live in is also organising a boot sale to raise funds to help them.
i'm american and this was never on back in the day because american tv had almost no foreign programming to speak of but since youtube came along i'm pretty sure i've watched every one (big true crime buff). these reduxes are awesome because the original episodes leave you wondering what the hell could have happened and these give you "closure". great stuff.
i'm british and i'm puzzled by the murder weapon because your average brit is not at all familiar with guns! they said it was a walther ppk and not sure how to spell that i went and looked it up. how the hell and why would you saw off a 3.9 inch barrel? also that gun takes 9 mm short ammunition doesn't it?
@@MsVanorak I've heard of shotgun barrels being cut, but never a pistol. I'm in the same boat as you and have no knowledge either. Hopefully someone will know..
Not really closure in this case. Payne was paid to do the hit and there was freemason involvement. I can't say any more than that but I know this to be true. I think the police knew it as well but they had no evidence and there may have been senior officers also in the masons at the time. The freemasons have always gone out of their way to say they are 'clean' - don't be fooled.
Best investment Mr Fuller made was the phone recording machine, otherwise this evil, greedy man wouldn't have come forward. Never be surprised at one human being can do to another as my ex colleague used to say to me. I'm glad justice was done and he is still in prison.
Yep, police even learned the killer's name was Stephen from that phone recording! Shocking that bastard would take the lives of two people - happy newlyweds bless 'em - just for six poxy grand. Has he been released from prison yet? Scumbags like him usually are.
That truly nailed him to the crime 👏 more than likely would have been unsolved likes may others of that time. Strange reason behind Mr fullers reasoning behind this 🤔 maybe he knew more??
@@Luke-yy1fq I lived locally and there have always been strong rumours that Payne was paid to kill Fuller. I think Fuller knew people were out to get him. The true instigators of this crime will, sadly, never be caught and brought to justice.
We cleaned the windows in the high street at Wadhurst at the time,the village was full of press when we were cleaning Baileys estate agents that same morning at 7-30. My Dad used to do the cleaning in Lloyds bank and he informed the officer in charge there was only 1 camera in the village that could have seen the car come and go,it was the camera that looked across the road from the cash machine inside the entrance to the bank,that’s the only way they caught the bloke if he’d had driven and parked round the back of the bank and made off down either blacksmiths lane or back up the upper part of the high street they’d have never caught him to this day.
I read they'd gotten drunk, again, horribly irresponsible. I've thought for years that a panel of judges should replace juries. They're less apt to be swayed by attorney's manipulations and more knowledgeable about the finer points of law. My guess they wouldn't use a Ouija Board, but I'd never thought that would be an issue for either side.
Might have been others behind the killing. Why did Harry start taping his calls? Who was after him? Local rumours suggested he might have been paid to do the job.
It was all the gossip at that time. Harry Fuller used to drink at a pub I drank at around that time. He dated my old school mate prior to Nicola who sadly recently passed away and very much the same personality as Nicola. Young was evil!!! R.I.P. H&N.
I just can't believe the stupidity of using a ouija board to supposedly contact the victims. And apparently 11 other people agreed to do it. Wasn't there even one who could say no and threaten to report it so that they didn't ruin the whole trial?
Ice man is a perfect fit for him. None of all this ruffles him even the slightest. An example of sociopathic behavior. I'm not a mental health professional but when it quacks like a duck..... May his victims rest in peace.
I went to school with Michelle, in fact we were in the same year at Mascalls but had different friends, nevertheless she always seemed like a nice girl and was very popular. You can tell from the interviews here that they are a decent, respectable family. It is a shame Nicola fell in love with a rogue like Harry - clearly from his taping calls he'd pissed off some people and he was worried. Whether that is directly linked to the shooting will never be proven but the local rumour mill suggests there is more to it than meets the eye.
She heard a gunshot and held the call for 6 minutes, what was she doing, if she didn't think it warranted help? I really hope she was sacked, and it provoked more training for the operators, though probably none of that happened. I agree with her sister, to have made it to the phone, but no one came haunts me too.
@@cynthiatolman326 With three gunshots she would have bled out very quickly noone wohld have been able to save her. Sadly it was her husband who caused the problem he was a wheeler & Dealer why kill her. Senless crime.
I knew Steve young in wormwood scrubs, we were on the lifer wing, he comes across as very polite and softly spoken but that goes for many people convicted of murder.
This is like a twilight zone movie... jury using an ouija board to contact the victims to tell them who killed them... what kind of moronic people are these? you would think this is a prank or something, I can't get my head around it.
Many people are not clued up enough to be jurors. Surely they knew they would compromise the trial, and their verdict. In NZ we had a similar case in a family annihilation murder. The jurors were told they were not to go to the crime scene.....but two of them flew from Wellington to Dunedin to do just that....
Anyone else note DS Steve Fulcher presumably playing himself in this? He would later get the confession from Halliwell over the 2 murders in Swindon, then get slated for breaking PACE.
Not only charge jurors, judges, police and parole board teams should all be held 'severely' accountable for their inadequate findings judgement. How many parole boards take it upon themselves to make the decision to release killers/offenders, for them only to kill/commit again!.
In the late 60’s there was a man in my hometown East Point, Georgia who flashed cash around and spoke about piles of cash stored at home. His wife and daughter were murdered at home one weekday morning and cash taken. Among the cash were packs of $1.00 Bills which were considered “collectible” as they bore the signature of a Treasury Secretary of brief tenure. The crime was quickly solved when one of the murderers crew presented the packs at a bank to convert to larger bills. P.S. the mastermind murderer “died” in the city jail before trial.
One can imagine, Nicola's Last thought... Why!!! Did I not listen To my Mother... How many of us have Wished that one at Some desperate Period in life. Moral... Never, publicly Talk about money Under the floorboards Reality or fantasy.
I doubt very much Nicola had time to blame her blameless husband. They were both shot out of the blue for no fault of his unless you think having some cash money is a fault. Nicola's last thought was more likely to be terror and confusion about why Steve was doing this terrible thing.
The jurors should have been charged and convicted for misconduct, the cost and absolute immeasurable pain they caused the family over something that would have been blatantly obvious to any normal person shouldn't have been overlooked. I pray they found peace. I'll bet that anonymous caller reporting 2 men walking up the cottage was Young trying to throw off police. Edit: I'm disappointed in the peope playing the roles of the couple, they missed the mark with Nicola particularly. Not bad, just doesn't fit her description at all.
Really sweet. I'm surprised and disappointed in the actress they matched up to play her. She didn't do a bad job at all,, but she didn't match the type of person she was portraying.
My mother in law lived in Tunbridge Wells at the time and remembers lots of police going around area. The Bulger murder happened around this time aswell, which of course had lots of media coverage on the national news.
I gaze at their wedding photos. Her dress was fantastic! They made a stunning couple. The looks in their eyes. I'd love to see more of their wedding photos. Which car did they ride off in? He swept her off her feet, treated her like a lady. And the ------- is still alive. What a terrible shame.
@@noongourfain Indeed very well put, that's the sad thing about it all. For double murder like this the culprit should get life meaning life, but we all know how soft our justice system can be! I often wonder if these victims haunt the houses/sites where they sadly lost their lives. I look at the places and what they look like today on Google Maps, some are the same some have been changed but look similar some have been pulled down and the area has changed completely.
This was so horrendous...that poor young lass marrying Harry, much against her parents advice.....to lose her life for a such paltry sum of money. Cars and shady dealers.....it never ends well.
What??? She was never happier in her whole life, she had a husband who adored her and treated her with respect.... she was happy till the end! Not a lot of people can say that!
I really like this old show, Crimewatch .It is not only exciting for the viewer, I am sure it has also helped many victims of crimes to get justice done.
It makes me wonder why Crimewatch has not been revived. At least sometimes it did actually lead to solved crimes. The only thing I can think is that I remember they had a twelve most wanted board one week and only one of them was what you might call a traditional Brit.
Used cars. Cash. The real signs of someone involved in murky business. The second hand car business was notorious for its criminal connections. Cash is used to hide your tracks.
Yes, classic way to launder funny money. Fuller might have been involved in other things, and with other people, that led to him fearing retribution, hence the phone call taping. Was Young paid to do the hit by persons unknown? Local rumours suggested so, and that Freemasons were involved.
People like Young should never be able to walk free. The families and friends of the victims have a life sentence without parole and he took more than a hundred years of the victims. I bet he's out by now...
DC Fulcher. I wonder if that was the same heroic cop that nailed Christopher Halliwell and the was completely screwed over by the police force he worked for?
whatever made the person responsible for this grotesque crime believe that he could get away with it knowing the evidence against him was irrefutable i don't know...
Such a sad case, but the actor playing Harry on the Crimewatch File is like a bad mix between Jeremy Clarkson and Dave Angel “Eco Warrior”. I kept expecting to hear “Moonlight Shadow” start up in the background, whenever Harry was seen strutting into the boozer, etc!
999 operator should go to the house if any domestic violence situation is like you can't talk be can't say anything it's a killer you can't say anything I mean miss it this is very dangerous not coming assuming it's a child playing on the phone
When coppers had more respect from the public,as they solved crimes and worked bloody hard at it too....now its a waste of time reporting it...progress??
@@starchild3287 it's two items put together. the first part is the original crimewatch segment and reconstruction narrated by sue cook. then it is the full episode of the crimewatch file program done some time later when it was solved and that is narrated by jill dando. the only crimewatch file she did i think.
I hope the service or individual got sued and/or charged and they lost their job, what a massive mistake and presumption to make! Never heard anything like it, that poor family, bet it still haunts them.....
These characters remind me a lot of that movie, Suspicion, minus the bit where the husband tries to bump his wife off to get life insurance. Wonder if they had life insurance? They were so young maybe not.
@@noongourfain Very similar only that the shop opposite is no longer a newsagent. BUT the shop next door is still a butchers shop amazingly, so there's some hope in the world Lol !!!!
@@IanP1963 The families also, seem like such kind gentile people. And the ending where Nicola's mum is playing with her grandchild and smiling is beautiful. They will all be together someday in Heaven.
@@noongourfain The home video ones are harrowing to watch, in those they are still alive. What comes across more than anything in these CW episodes, is how the death of a loved one leaves a massive vacuum in a family’s life. The aftermath of a murder must be the most awful of experiences, because when the dust has settled and the home of the victim has been cleared and sold or rented out to someone else, memories are all that are left, with the pain and suffering existing forever probably. I have often wondered how much support and help families of murder victims get in our society, then and now.
@@noongourfain An example of haunting home vids are these two KK - ua-cam.com/video/SgO5PrKNUbo/v-deo.html [18.52] & ua-cam.com/video/4rlbWImm_iE/v-deo.html [1.18]. I pray one day both women and their families will get the justice they deserve!
Just awful! 😟 So unfair. So senseless..... And the jury using a Ouija Board?! Were they drunk teenagers FGS?! Also so very sad that Jill Dando, the narrator on the second part, who replaced Sue Cook on Crime Watch, was shot dead outside her own home. Still an unsolved murder. That was a very shocking, sad & tragic day in the UK. May They All Three Rest in Peace xxx
Eh! Isn’t that the real Steve Fulcher playing the cop at 26:27? He’s the police officer who was reprimanded for the way in which he caught Christopher Halliwell who killed Sian O’Callaghan and Becky Godden. Absolutely appalling the way he was treated but why’s he acting in this??
Although most insurance brokers are somewhat more ethical, this does highlight the advantages of direct writers like Geico. There is less to fear from a small carnivorous lizard. I wonder if his bond or broker's E & O policy responded. It seems a clear case of fiduciary breach.
@@zeddeka thx for the update. In a mad panic, I Googled Fenchurch and they seem to have survived to my immense relief. They are particularly eager to help if you are likely to commit medical negligence. In the 80s, the UK was the OPEC of reinsurance. There seemed to be an infinite regress of intermediaries until you reached the guy writing the claims cheque, who was only too happy to do so when presented with an Apellate Court Order. Some disintermediation was called for. Healthy development. Bermuda was London mini-me.
Insurance brokers are pretty much non existent in the UK now - personal insurance for cars, home, pets, travel etc. is all done direct online or by phone. Insurance brokers like this are very, very rare nowadays and only really deal with much more complex and / or specialist insurance types. The term "E&O" is also not used here in the UK. The insurance he would have had is called "professional indemnity" insurance in the UK.
@@zeddeka D&O, E&O and EIEIO. You're correct about the consumer market, of course. I would beg, or at least ask politely, to differ on the designation "E&O". The cover note may well have said, "professional indemnity" if you could ever extract a cover note from Lloyds. But Lloyds brokers understood the term and sold the hell put of E&O. I actually published a piece in Patent Strategy, some years ago, about the crucial role Lloyds played in technology development, particularly in the nineteenth and twentieth century. They have certain piratical impulses, of course, but I don't see how commercial aviation would have developed without their expertise and fortitude. They lost their nerve a bit in the mid 80s on D&O, very much to the benefit of our friends in Bermuda. But Lloyds reflects a unique UK contribution to modernity that is insufficiently credited.
I know this doesn't fit at all, but as soon as I learned that sucrose had been put over his body, it made me think of the 1987 Def Leppard song, "Pour Some Sugar on Me" - could that have been a 'message'?
2003 is when the use of mobile phones were starting to be governed by law and it only really became punishable in 2007 and 2022 a loophole was closed to prevent any use of mobiles whilst driving. Similarly wearing a seat belt wasn't compulsory until 1991.
@Paul1510WB I stand corrected but a quick correction for us both. I had to do a quick search (fact check) 1983 was compulsory for the front seats, in 1989 introduced the inclusion of children in the back, and in 1991 for all drivers in the car.
I am amazed that a seriously injured woman could spend 17 seconds crying for help to the energency services, followed by a muffled report, then the sounds of the house being rifled.. surely this should have set an immediate enquiry in motion? Even if the despatcher thought the initial sounds were from a child??
Despicable. Err on the side of caution should always be the rule.
But it’s not even caution: the cries and other sounds demonstrate clearly that something - whatever it is, child or not - demand immediate investigation.
@@mgnwill It's an expression... English understatement, not literal caution!
@@AnnabelleJARankin Ah! I'm from the other side of the world! 😄
@@mgnwill O you poor thing, commiserations...🤭
reading the credits at the end I noticed the Narrator was Jill Dando who then was murdered only 6 years later and whose Murder is still unsolved. how tragic
sue cook is the narrator in this one
@@starchild3287 it's not it's JD
This video is of two separate Crimewatch specials on this murder case - the first is narrated by Sue Cook, the second by Jill Dando. Yes, sadly ironic that Jill Dando would also be shot dead like this poor couple, just a few years later.
@@glamdolly30 with a 9mm bullet that had been repacked
@@MsVanorak I seem to recall police had a theory that Eastern European gangsters were probably linked, due to the type of gun/ammo used.
Does that ring a bell with you?
what shocks me most in this case is the 999 call , how the dispatcher was rewarded with paid administration leave upon hearing the mistake that had been made when the call was terminated, assuming a child had called 999 and not a near death victim with a bullet riddled face .
I totally agree…just terrible.
Government jobs get paid leave in America
@@mknels1299you accumulate holiday and sick days. You can use holiday for sickness days. I worked in a teaching hospital but government involved, giving free health care and priority outpatient appointments over the great unwashed. Annoying but the hospital benefitted from the state govt. getting state of the art equipment, etc. the salary was much higher than a regular secretarial job. We also had free dental and medical benefits which most companies provide. Plus every holiday in the book. It was a long time ago but I think we didn't pay for benefits as most companies do. When my father was dying in England I believe I took about two months. After my mother died a few months later later I also had whatever I wanted. She was in a car accident and I wasn't there. A terrible time having to see to everything, selling house, clearing out and no family. So I'm all for federally funded jobs. Wish I had it now in my old age! I should add I worked there for 10 years and you can accumulate more the longer you're there.
And the police station just down the street.
"20 Embassy No1 please."
"£2.26".
Over 5 times the price now.
yep. noted that too. So, working on todays prices, a pint cost less than a quid.
Has I thought the same how times have changed....
Benson and Hedges Gold are £20 nearly you mean lol 😂 have a look.
All tax, needed to pay for the upkeep of 100s of 1000s young muslim men, who are coming here in fear of there lives, dressed in the latest Nike trainers, the latest mobile phones, and they've all lost any form of ID. I feel so sorry for them, I'll maybe offer some of them refuge in my home, following the example of, Gary Linicker, Elton John, Bob Geldof, Naga Munchetty, I really admire them. Every little bit of charity helps. The village I live in is also organising a boot sale to raise funds to help them.
@@joegreen2750well said and hundred per cent truth
i'm american and this was never on back in the day because american tv had almost no foreign programming to speak of but since youtube came along i'm pretty sure i've watched every one (big true crime buff). these reduxes are awesome because the original episodes leave you wondering what the hell could have happened and these give you "closure". great stuff.
Mysterious WV is excellent.
i'm british and i'm puzzled by the murder weapon because your average brit is not at all familiar with guns! they said it was a walther ppk and not sure how to spell that i went and looked it up. how the hell and why would you saw off a 3.9 inch barrel? also that gun takes 9 mm short ammunition doesn't it?
@@MsVanorak I've heard of shotgun barrels being cut, but never a pistol. I'm in the same boat as you and have no knowledge either. Hopefully someone will know..
@@cynthiatolman326 why would you go to the trouble of shortening 3.9 inches - unless - adding back to the length by adding a silencer of some sort.
Not really closure in this case. Payne was paid to do the hit and there was freemason involvement. I can't say any more than that but I know this to be true. I think the police knew it as well but they had no evidence and there may have been senior officers also in the masons at the time. The freemasons have always gone out of their way to say they are 'clean' - don't be fooled.
Best investment Mr Fuller made was the phone recording machine, otherwise this evil, greedy man wouldn't have come forward.
Never be surprised at one human being can do to another as my ex colleague used to say to me.
I'm glad justice was done and he is still in prison.
Yep, police even learned the killer's name was Stephen from that phone recording! Shocking that bastard would take the lives of two people - happy newlyweds bless 'em - just for six poxy grand. Has he been released from prison yet? Scumbags like him usually are.
That truly nailed him to the crime 👏 more than likely would have been unsolved likes may others of that time. Strange reason behind Mr fullers reasoning behind this 🤔 maybe he knew more??
@@Luke-yy1fq I lived locally and there have always been strong rumours that Payne was paid to kill Fuller. I think Fuller knew people were out to get him. The true instigators of this crime will, sadly, never be caught and brought to justice.
We cleaned the windows in the high street at Wadhurst at the time,the village was full of press when we were cleaning Baileys estate agents that same morning at 7-30.
My Dad used to do the cleaning in Lloyds bank and he informed the officer in charge there was only 1 camera in the village that could have seen the car come and go,it was the camera that looked across the road from the cash machine inside the entrance to the bank,that’s the only way they caught the bloke if he’d had driven and parked round the back of the bank and made off down either blacksmiths lane or back up the upper part of the high street they’d have never caught him to this day.
A man’s inability to cope with his finances meant a happily married couple life ended far to soon so sad.
There could have been more to it than that. I think Payne was paid to do the job. I lived in that area and that's been the whisper for years.
She was happily married to his money. He was clearly dodgy as hell
Maybe she should have had her own finances in order instead of grifting. Equal rights right.
The behaviour of the jury is just... I have no words. Absolutely ridiculous. Some ppl are so stupid
I read they'd gotten drunk, again, horribly irresponsible. I've thought for years that a panel of judges should replace juries. They're less apt to be swayed by attorney's manipulations and more knowledgeable about the finer points of law. My guess they wouldn't use a Ouija Board, but I'd never thought that would be an issue for either side.
@@cynthiatolman326 so true.
How you think people would get justice from professional judges is beyond me!
They should have been tried for contempt of court
@@bicolouredprawnyes contempt of court, disgrace
This bloke is the most callous evil individual to kill 2 people over what’s let face it was a pittance..Cold as ice this fella..
Might have been others behind the killing. Why did Harry start taping his calls? Who was after him? Local rumours suggested he might have been paid to do the job.
It was all the gossip at that time. Harry Fuller used to drink at a pub I drank at around that time. He dated my old school mate prior to Nicola who sadly recently passed away and very much the same personality as Nicola. Young was evil!!! R.I.P. H&N.
I just can't believe the stupidity of using a ouija board to supposedly contact the victims. And apparently 11 other people agreed to do it. Wasn't there even one who could say no and threaten to report it so that they didn't ruin the whole trial?
Despite the gun evidence being fairly watertight
Fun before juctice! Sums up the British Legal System perfectly!
Very ironically, Jill Dando, the narrator, would also be murdered, in April 1999, in London & her killer has never been found. Beautiful Nicola !!!!!
The actor who played the killer was fairly well spoken but the telephone voice sounded like an Essex wheeler dealer?
I thought that too
Seems like Harry was a real life Lovejoy but with cars rather than antiques!
More of an Arthur Daley I'd say.
@@Wally-H Lol indeed !!!!
Ice man is a perfect fit for him. None of all this ruffles him even the slightest. An example of sociopathic behavior. I'm not a mental health professional but when it quacks like a duck.....
May his victims rest in peace.
Psychopath like Megan Markel cold with no feelings . goes into that death stare whan she is interrupted. 😱
The gun hidden in the kids bedroom was for his family
She was a lovely girl, used to live opposite me. Also used to see Harry picking her up. I knew the murderer too from the school parents do’s.
I went to school with Michelle, in fact we were in the same year at Mascalls but had different friends, nevertheless she always seemed like a nice girl and was very popular. You can tell from the interviews here that they are a decent, respectable family. It is a shame Nicola fell in love with a rogue like Harry - clearly from his taping calls he'd pissed off some people and he was worried. Whether that is directly linked to the shooting will never be proven but the local rumour mill suggests there is more to it than meets the eye.
@@Wally-Hwho’s Michelle?
@@jennynott3841 Her sister, she is interviewed in this programme. They might not mention her name.
@@Wally-H ok
@@tommoso55 oh my can’t believe you knew who murdered them
Narrated by Jill Dando who herself was murdered in 1999 :(
So shocking that was!
I remember when the bbc broadcaster peter sissons said that jill dando had been murdered i was around my nans at the time
This is a great channel - just subbed -
glad I've found you!
Hard to comprehend 999 handlers not being trained for this sort of silent call. Useless!
She heard a gunshot and held the call for 6 minutes, what was she doing, if she didn't think it warranted help? I really hope she was sacked, and it provoked more training for the operators, though probably none of that happened. I agree with her sister, to have made it to the phone, but no one came haunts me too.
@@cynthiatolman326
With three gunshots she would have bled out very quickly noone wohld have been able to save her. Sadly it was her husband who caused the problem he was a wheeler & Dealer why kill her. Senless crime.
The original jury should have been jailed.
I knew Steve young in wormwood scrubs, we were on the lifer wing, he comes across as very polite and softly spoken but that goes for many people convicted of murder.
Were you in prison for life but you got out now?
@@AS-qg1xu yes.
@@gregprice103 oh wow!
Did Steve ever seem regretful/remorseful? Especially where he had 2 kids? Thank you.
Most lifers avoid trouble on the inside in my experience
@@bfyrth yeah they do
These Brittish documentaries are so much better than American over produced shit.
Now you realise why the Actors in the USA are on strike..... over AI....they know it can do a better job!
The worst thing about American documentaries is they forever backtracking and recapping.
Love UK true crime docs.
Is he still in prison ?? What a monster ...and keeping a loaded gun in his kid's bedroom!!!
he was convicted of two murders after a retrial hes still in prison
No person in their right mind would ever do anything such keep a loaded gun in their children’s bedroom.
He only served 18 years. He is out walking the streets somewhere now!
This is like a twilight zone movie... jury using an ouija board to contact the victims to tell them who killed them... what kind of moronic people are these? you would think this is a prank or something, I can't get my head around it.
Things were so much cheaper back then, prices are ridiculous now.....
Cost of living all the time matey, it goes up and up and up, etc !!!!
@@IanP1963 indeed it does, buddy, just a pity we dont get value for money anymore, everything is smaller, yet more expensive.....🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Many people are not clued up enough to be jurors. Surely they knew they would compromise the trial, and their verdict. In NZ we had a similar case in a family annihilation murder. The jurors were told they were not to go to the crime scene.....but two of them flew from Wellington to Dunedin to do just that....
David Bain?
Anyone else note DS Steve Fulcher presumably playing himself in this? He would later get the confession from Halliwell over the 2 murders in Swindon, then get slated for breaking PACE.
Wel spotted
Yes, I did. Halliwell is now serving a whole life sentence but DS Steve Fulcher paid a heavy price
The original jury are beyond forgiveness. Disgusting.
Poor parents seem like nice genuine people. Tragic for all involved.
Rubbish... they all new how dodgy he was and he couldn't tell the truth
Sad but their daughter married a crook end of
Not only charge jurors, judges, police and parole board teams should all be held 'severely' accountable for their inadequate findings judgement. How many parole boards take it upon themselves to make the decision to release killers/offenders, for them only to kill/commit again!.
Very nostalgic when people spoke in calm quiet tones. Interesting case particularly knowing the area well.
People had more dignity!
@@colettegibson6516 ..Yes they did.
So nice not to have people misusing " literally" and hyperbole like "incredible "
I like the fact it was void of filthy language and four letter words. 🇺🇲
I was thinking the same thing
In the late 60’s there was a man in my hometown East Point, Georgia who flashed cash around and spoke about piles of cash stored at home. His wife and daughter were murdered at home one weekday morning and cash taken. Among the cash were packs of $1.00 Bills which were considered “collectible” as they bore the signature of a Treasury Secretary of brief tenure. The crime was quickly solved when one of the murderers crew presented the packs at a bank to convert to larger bills. P.S. the mastermind murderer “died” in the city jail before trial.
Serves him right the greedy creep
One can imagine, Nicola's
Last thought...
Why!!! Did I not listen
To my Mother...
How many of us have
Wished that one at
Some desperate
Period in life.
Moral...
Never, publicly
Talk about money
Under the floorboards
Reality or fantasy.
I doubt very much Nicola had time to blame her blameless husband. They were both shot out of the blue for no fault of his unless you think having some cash money is a fault. Nicola's last thought was more likely to be terror and confusion about why Steve was doing this terrible thing.
The jurors should have been charged and convicted for misconduct, the cost and absolute immeasurable pain they caused the family over something that would have been blatantly obvious to any normal person shouldn't have been overlooked. I pray they found peace. I'll bet that anonymous caller reporting 2 men walking up the cottage was Young trying to throw off police. Edit: I'm disappointed in the peope playing the roles of the couple, they missed the mark with Nicola particularly. Not bad, just doesn't fit her description at all.
Unbelievably sad.
Agree 😥😢
Who brought in the ouiji board.. this is a criminal act!
How did they get an ouiji⁸ board when they went straight to the hotel?
@@nm628679c You can make the letters yourself with pencil and paper. The 'game-board' for Ouija isn't necessary.
I sure miss though those old corner shops.
??? They're everywhere still
Not where I'm from, a dying breed.
The jury on the first trial were odd so glad Young was convicted for a second time Xx
Very sad - what beautiful faces her mother and sister had: so gentle, just like the pictures shown of her.
Really sweet. I'm surprised and disappointed in the actress they matched up to play her. She didn't do a bad job at all,, but she didn't match the type of person she was portraying.
25:51 DC Fulcher is the detective who convicted Christopher Halliwell for the murders of Becky Godden and Sian O'Callaghan.
My mother in law lived in Tunbridge Wells at the time and remembers lots of police going around area.
The Bulger murder happened around this time aswell, which of course had lots of media coverage on the national news.
They'd have been married 28 years by now - very sad !!!!
I gaze at their wedding photos. Her dress was fantastic! They made a stunning couple. The looks in their eyes. I'd love to see more of their wedding photos. Which car did they ride off in? He swept her off her feet, treated her like a lady.
And the ------- is still alive. What a terrible shame.
@@noongourfain Indeed very well put, that's the sad thing about it all. For double murder like this the culprit should get life meaning life, but we all know how soft our justice system can be! I often wonder if these victims haunt the houses/sites where they sadly lost their lives. I look at the places and what they look like today on Google Maps, some are the same some have been changed but look similar some have been pulled down and the area has changed completely.
@@noongourfain Yes indeed, it is now 30 years this year 2023. I got married a few months later in the same year [June 1993] - may they both RIP !!!
This was so horrendous...that poor young lass marrying Harry, much against her parents advice.....to lose her life for a such paltry sum of money.
Cars and shady dealers.....it never ends well.
What??? She was never happier in her whole life, she had a husband who adored her and treated her with respect.... she was happy till the end! Not a lot of people can say that!
I thought opening statements said Harry was welcomed into the family and spent most weekends visiting her parents with his beloved.
He was an oily used car salesman. Bad choice!
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
What pandemic
@johnmcdonald9295 your comment made me laugh 😂😅😂
@@johnmcdonald9295 exactly
I really like this old show, Crimewatch .It is not only exciting for the viewer, I am sure it has also helped many victims of crimes to get justice done.
It makes me wonder why Crimewatch has not been revived. At least sometimes it did actually lead to solved crimes. The only thing I can think is that I remember they had a twelve most wanted board one week and only one of them was what you might call a traditional Brit.
Used cars. Cash. The real signs of someone involved in murky business. The second hand car business was notorious for its criminal connections. Cash is used to hide your tracks.
Nine out of ten are bent, like old bill,✌️☘️
Yes, classic way to launder funny money. Fuller might have been involved in other things, and with other people, that led to him fearing retribution, hence the phone call taping. Was Young paid to do the hit by persons unknown? Local rumours suggested so, and that Freemasons were involved.
Bragging about how much cash you have on you or in the house is setting one up to be robbed.
@@bryanthomsen5551absolutely. It was a crazy thing to do.
People like Young should never be able to walk free. The families and friends of the victims have a life sentence without parole and he took more than a hundred years of the victims. I bet he's out by now...
The killer failed in his appeal against the verdict a couple of years back; I'm pretty sure he's still in prison.
@@BillericayDickie007he only served 18 years. He has been out years
Thanks for sharing
DC Fulcher. I wonder if that was the same heroic cop that nailed Christopher Halliwell and the was completely screwed over by the police force he worked for?
Yep that was Steve Fulcher.
whatever made the person responsible for this grotesque crime believe that he could get away with it knowing the evidence against him was irrefutable i don't know...
Such a sad case, but the actor playing Harry on the Crimewatch File is like a bad mix between Jeremy Clarkson and Dave Angel “Eco Warrior”. I kept expecting to hear “Moonlight Shadow” start up in the background, whenever Harry was seen strutting into the boozer, etc!
A jury used an ouija board at a criminal trial. OMG how dumb and stupid could anyone be??
Chilling tale of cold-blooded execution
Interesting comments, such an array of thoughts and knowledge of case/episode...
£2:26 for 20 Embassy number 1!! WOW.
When someone is described as a "colorful character," you know they were up to no good.
999 operator should go to the house if any domestic violence situation is like you can't talk be can't say anything it's a killer you can't say anything I mean miss it this is very dangerous not coming assuming it's a child playing on the phone
Think they do these days.
Seems England was still stuck in the 80's in 1993.
Young during the police interview reminds me of Dian Abbott
30 years this year in 2023 - may they both RIP !!! Is the killer still inside or has he been released ?
Still inside but launches appeals frequently.
Try searching the name "Stephen Young", but you will not find a photo of what he looks like. Why? Why is a murderer getting this sort of protection?
Reminds me of Stephen Marshall the jigsaw murderer who himself was another ice cold sociopath with no empathy for any other person.
'20 Embassy#1 please', 'thankyou £2.26'
When coppers had more respect from the public,as they solved crimes and worked bloody hard at it too....now its a waste of time reporting it...progress??
They also were streetwise with a brain.
They were also corrupt. Freemasons were involved with this and the local plod turned a blind eye to that - I wonder why?
Strange how Harry called the man darling.
It was a London thing - my Grandfather used to say it to everyone.
@@bieni78 Rubbish a man never called another man Darling . Never heard anyone man saying that 😂
@@patriciaoreilly8907 says an Irish woman.
@@patriciaoreilly8907 you're the one talking rubbish
@@patriciaoreilly8907 A lot of English people refer to others, male and female as 'darling'.
Is Young still in prison?
Yes
yes but he is not young anymore.
Love the one blokes West Country accent. Very homely. ❤️
£2.26 for 20 cigs! Wish it was that cheap now!
“”Don’t smoke” - throws cigarette onto floor - “that’s bad for you” ( Jackie Chan from the movie “Rush Hour” with Chris Tucker)
Yes but wages were much lower too,
Ironic that this was narrated by Jill Dando, who was murdered.
Sue cook narrated this episode
@@starchild3287 it's two items put together. the first part is the original crimewatch segment and reconstruction narrated by sue cook. then it is the full episode of the crimewatch file program done some time later when it was solved and that is narrated by jill dando. the only crimewatch file she did i think.
with a 9 mm repacked bullet.
The Walther PPK .32 caliber is the gun that James Bond uses in the movies!
Excellent police work
£2.66 for 20 embassy no1 😮
I hope the service or individual got sued and/or charged and they lost their job, what a massive mistake and presumption to make! Never heard anything like it, that poor family, bet it still haunts them.....
Mum had a stroke, and Dad had a heart attack within a year after the second trial.
@@cynthiatolman326 So sad to hear that happened to them. 😥🇺🇲
These characters remind me a lot of that movie, Suspicion, minus the bit where the husband tries to bump his wife off to get life insurance. Wonder if they had life insurance? They were so young maybe not.
Very sad may they RIP
Is Blackman's cottage still the same? If you look at Young's current photo he is the picture of suffering and evil.
@@noongourfain Very similar only that the shop opposite is no longer a newsagent. BUT the shop next door is still a butchers shop amazingly, so there's some hope in the world Lol !!!!
@@IanP1963 The families also, seem like such kind gentile people. And the ending where Nicola's mum is playing with her grandchild and smiling is beautiful. They will all be together someday in Heaven.
@@noongourfain The home video ones are harrowing to watch, in those they are still alive. What comes across more than anything in these CW episodes, is how the death of a loved one leaves a massive vacuum in a family’s life. The aftermath of a murder must be the most awful of experiences, because when the dust has settled and the home of the victim has been cleared and sold or rented out to someone else, memories are all that are left, with the pain and suffering existing forever probably. I have often wondered how much support and help families of murder victims get in our society, then and now.
@@noongourfain An example of haunting home vids are these two KK - ua-cam.com/video/SgO5PrKNUbo/v-deo.html [18.52] & ua-cam.com/video/4rlbWImm_iE/v-deo.html [1.18]. I pray one day both women and their families will get the justice they deserve!
Just awful! 😟 So unfair. So senseless.....
And the jury using a Ouija Board?! Were they drunk teenagers FGS?!
Also so very sad that Jill Dando, the narrator on the second part, who replaced Sue Cook on Crime Watch, was shot dead outside her own home. Still an unsolved murder. That was a very shocking, sad & tragic day in the UK.
May They All Three Rest in Peace xxx
It's a sad fact of life unfortunately that individuals who harm other individuals are known to them.
always gets me, they get rid of the weapon but not the bullets. smh. lol
Eh! Isn’t that the real Steve Fulcher playing the cop at 26:27? He’s the police officer who was reprimanded for the way in which he caught Christopher Halliwell who killed Sian O’Callaghan and Becky Godden. Absolutely appalling the way he was treated but why’s he acting in this??
Loved watching Crime Watch on BBC1 Wales back in 85,86.
Although most insurance brokers are somewhat more ethical, this does highlight the advantages of direct writers like Geico. There is less to fear from a small carnivorous lizard.
I wonder if his bond or broker's E & O policy responded. It seems a clear case of fiduciary breach.
@@zeddeka thx for the update. In a mad panic, I Googled Fenchurch and they seem to have survived to my immense relief. They are particularly eager to help if you are likely to commit medical negligence.
In the 80s, the UK was the OPEC of reinsurance. There seemed to be an infinite regress of intermediaries until you reached the guy writing the claims cheque, who was only too happy to do so when presented with an Apellate Court Order. Some disintermediation was called for. Healthy development.
Bermuda was London mini-me.
Insurance brokers are pretty much non existent in the UK now - personal insurance for cars, home, pets, travel etc. is all done direct online or by phone. Insurance brokers like this are very, very rare nowadays and only really deal with much more complex and / or specialist insurance types. The term "E&O" is also not used here in the UK. The insurance he would have had is called "professional indemnity" insurance in the UK.
@@zeddeka D&O, E&O and EIEIO.
You're correct about the consumer market, of course. I would beg, or at least ask politely, to differ on the designation "E&O". The cover note may well have said, "professional indemnity" if you could ever extract a cover note from Lloyds. But Lloyds brokers understood the term and sold the hell put of E&O.
I actually published a piece in Patent Strategy, some years ago, about the crucial role Lloyds played in technology development, particularly in the nineteenth and twentieth century. They have certain piratical impulses, of course, but I don't see how commercial aviation would have developed without their expertise and fortitude.
They lost their nerve a bit in the mid 80s on D&O, very much to the benefit of our friends in Bermuda. But Lloyds reflects a unique UK contribution to modernity that is insufficiently credited.
STEVEN YOUNG LOOKS LIKE SERGANT MATT BOYDON FROM THE BILL
God wish cigarettes were that cheap today
Beautiful words at the end ...God bless the families xx
20 Embsay Number One £2.26 .. Wow!
Not acting on 999 call was horror pluss.😢
I know this doesn't fit at all, but as soon as I learned that sucrose had been put over his body, it made me think of the 1987 Def Leppard song, "Pour Some Sugar on Me" - could that have been a 'message'?
26:05 you can see the boom mic come into shot!
Those accents are like a time long forgotten
Back when everything wasn’t a RIP OFF
I’m shocked he is on his phone driving so much
Car phones had only just come out and there were no regulations as to their use in those days.
@@Wally-H 100%
2003 is when the use of mobile phones were starting to be governed by law and it only really became punishable in 2007 and 2022 a loophole was closed to prevent any use of mobiles whilst driving. Similarly wearing a seat belt wasn't compulsory until 1991.
@@donny121able Seat belts 1981.
@Paul1510WB I stand corrected but a quick correction for us both. I had to do a quick search (fact check) 1983 was compulsory for the front seats, in 1989 introduced the inclusion of children in the back, and in 1991 for all drivers in the car.
Sad story
Thank Goodness we got rid of jurors being sequestered & staying at a hotel. It leads to all kinds of mischief - but ouija boards????
Is he free now ? Mr s young?
How is the family now. Pius is the dirty murderer still in jail. Where he belongs
Bring back Crimewatch......... Oh they can't it shows too many non British criminals now.
Nasty little racist, deantown6601… You don’t deserve that handle. Vulfpeck would despise you.
These guys sound as characters from Blurr's Park Life hitsong :)
The news reader at the end looks just like the killer
Haha. My.mother in law had a MkIV escort cab in 1990, lovely wee motor.
Which makes me believe we should have ‘professional jurors’
Opens up doors for bribery, tampering and repercussions.
Terrible idea. Truly. Beyond awful.
Professional jurors ? Lmao!! I’d rather take my chances with what we have, 12 Joe Public.
Why commit murder - robbery would have been serious enough - I should think at the very least he was some sort of border-line dangerous gun fanatic?
2 lifes sentencing 25yrs+25yrs=50yrs??