Because fucking great animation! thats why. Old animation is superior to almost everything that comes out nowadays. There also seems to be some kind of boom going on with old movie clips on the UA-cam Algoritm.
To explain what happened: the UN were having a peacekeeping mission. When the Japanese encounter hostile units, they request open fire, but HQ refuses as Japanese could only partake multi-nation operations but not firing on foreign soil. Hence the Japanese could only watch themselves getting killed. This also happened in real life and as 2 Japanese did died during a PKO. The Japanese government call that operation a success but many cannot see it eye to eye.
This also applies to other PKF missions. In theory, PKF could only fire when fired upon as defensive options. But in reality enemies often exploit on this ROE weakness. For example Hakija Turajlić, the Deputy Prime Minister of Bosnia and Herzegovina was killed while under UN "protection" since his French guards couldn't open fire on the attackers without direct order from UN commanders.
@@TimCeallaigh Arguably the most successful military to work in UN is India (liberated Sierra Leone and destroyed RUF). Ironically they also apparently have the most numbers of "Command violation".
ironically, during a PKO, shooting back means a severe punishment and the commendable action is either die on the spot or retreat with your guns loaded and roundful of mags (yes, they fucking carry a rifle full of rounds) This makes PKO soldier a fucking joke to anyone. From the civilian they supposed to protect and to the rebels and insurgent that terrors the townsfolk.
For a real life parallel, this opening scene is suppose to take place during the 1992-1993 UNTAC mission in Cambodia. Japan was a main contributor with Australia and other UN members.
what's cool about Patlabour is that, not only do they show a military and construction version of their mechas but also a UN peace keepers version as well
@@dereenaldoambun9158 tanks if tanks fought an actuall mech the mech would lose reall easy as the tank already has more advantages then the mech. Mechs are so easy to spot because of the very high profile which actually makes mechs cannon fodder in reality. But i do love my mechs tho especially Macross fighter jets
@@MrFunkhauser Mechs in general are so hard to become a proper fighting vehicle especially the two legged ones as if one leg is shot it is down and it would be near impossible to shoot back as the gun has fallen with the mech. You also see the two legged mechs only have miniguns and not a smooth bore gun like the ones in m1a2 Abrams as it is already hard to keep a mech like that from falling over due as everything has to be balanced. Newtons 3rd law would make the mech fall over so easily unless it has more armor to weigh it down which makes it not mernoverable anymore which i think thats what most people think about mechs.
For any Ghost in the Shell fan this is a must see. Animation techinque, character design and especially director's work (those long music sequences) - to me this is essentially a GitS draft (and a great movie by itself).
I think the military realized not too long ago mechs are ridiculous to build and maintain when you can have 20 tanks instead for the same cost/time sink. They both gonna carry the same guns so why bother
I think that it is possible if given enough funding. But the thing is that they are impractical. Why add legs when you can add wheels? Wheels are much more efficient. If you need all terrain capabilities then there are special wheels/tracks for that too.
@Ввуулдтууррм Флуурр-Флууксс Jumping off a cliff? Good luck landing with the pilot alive. As for hiding in an urban area, infantry does that infinitely better and can be remarkably well-protected.
All the Japanese 'UN' units died because they were ordered to only evade and escape,. They were requesting permission to defend them selves and were denied and let the Cannadians hanlde the hostiles. The Colonel disobeyed orders (can't blame him) at the end. From what I've read elsewhere, this was not so much a swipe at the UN by the author but the policies of the Japanese government which hog-tied the self defense forces. The Canadians, reported to be the most polite people, were inbound and expected to suppress the hostiles that Japanese Units were prohibited from engaging. Watch it again and you see it. It didn't make sense to me either until someone else explained it.
@@vothbetilia4862 y'all are kinda in there since the canadian military is supposed to be the one that save the Japanese forces, due to their orders to not shoot on foreign soil.
King David not really using Spider type APCs can be good from avoiding things like mines but true it can be a bad thing since it will be high profile and can be seen easily but still it might move faster
ARMA III fans and players can easily relate to the unfortunate UN Japanese peacekeepers having a hard time with the Shilka. This aside, can easily see why a lot of Patlabor movie duology scenes have so many views on YT, although I sure wish that The Early Days OVAs and the TV Series+The New Files get the same amount of love.
Closet thing i ever i got this in real life was being part of a Bradley Fighting vehicle crew in combat. I remember watching this as a teenager and telling myself how cool that is... and i want to do that someday. I am an old man now.. i never regretted that decision. And to this day... i believe this is the most highly detailed anime 2nd only to Akira.
Yeah and also the thing about the labors that is said in this very movie. At a certain point, it is said that the Police Labors are to lightly armed for the task and their armor is also compared to cars. Then the question is brought up "what if we come face to face with a tank?" And the response was something along the lines of "Then you should close your eyes"
It's funny that an Tunguska SPAAG took the mechs out, this shows one of two things The the mechs have extremely thinn paper armor to the point that AA missiles (which are focused in HE power rather than AP power) managed to destroy them Or that this was a goof made by the devs, which is most likely but who knows Still is a great scene
actually that would make sense: the reason we dont have spider-tanks right now is three fold: one: there's really not that much advantage in mobility in military terms. basically, anywhere you'd need a spider-tank to go, isn't somewhere you should really be thinking about bringing tanks, and would likely be better served by helicopter gunships or infantry two: you physically cannot armor them as heavily as a tracked or even wheeled vehicle, because they need far more articulation three: current power generation and electric motors simply don't have the required power-weight ratio to make it practical, even in the multi-billion-dollar realm of military hardware, political considerations aside, we're not going to be putting nuclear reactors in what is (by necessity) a lightly armored vehicle, to do something we can use tracks and a gas turbine for.
You'll be glad to know that the series and the movie trilogy are devoid of any loli characters. The movies are an excellent very intelligent but rather slow building investigative thriller and cop drama. There's actually very little mecha action in the movies which is a little unfortunate given the superb animation quality on display.
The tv series of patlabor is quite good also, the old one from 1989. It follows the patlabor police headquarters. I haven't watched it completely but it's kind of mecha police drama. With comedy thrown in also.
Patlabor 1 & 2, 2 of the best politically themed movies that really make you think, this is what I wish there were more of, not just gratuitous sex , or naked bodies that have nothing to say,
Did the Tunguska take the bipedal Labors out? I mean the amount or rockets/missles fired at them was far more than the 8 the tunguska carried. Secondly, the missle that takes the "spider" labor out was clearly a wire guided anti tank missle, the way it moves and sways clearly shows so. we werent shown that the tunguska fired it. Furthermore one needs to understand Labors in this universe, they came to be as woking and construction machines (hence the name "Labor") , naturally posing a threat if in the wrong hands. Measures needed to be taken, thus police labors came to be, a way for law enforcment to deal with rampaging labors. From there, adopting them to military use wasn't that far off. And no, at no point in the universe were labors meant to be better than tanks, but instead created to "work" along conventional military hardware. Lastly, it was a UN mission, and those rarely have heavily armed contigens, plus the fact that mostly UN forces work with the "only open fire after beeing engaging by hostiles" policy. Those guys were sent poorly equipped along with beeing given wrong rules of engagement for the task.
It's pretty likely the tunguska fired the missile at the UN spider labor thing. The missile apperes on screen right where the tunguska's missile launcher are located at. The director or however is supposed to keep track of this stuff probably just goofed and forgot the tunguska only had 8 missiles.
@@Voschanethe missiles that took out the mechs were RPGs from the infantry ahead of them, it seems that only first 2 and last missiles are actually from the Tonguska (though in reality its not equipped with an ATGM, though the dual 30mm cannons could have done some serious damage
That's a limit of budget not technology. Your 30 million specialist vehicle today is tomorrows surplus gear that gets expanded to a "multirole" model for export to budget conscious 3rd world leaders because it's not as useful in the intended role. See the F4, A7, F16 (and every other air-superiority fighter that eventually becomes an attack plane) Hell they even hung bombs off the F14 at the end
Me in 1993 watching Patlabor 2: "The future looks so cool with robots and technology and stuff!!!" Movie: "1999: Somewhere in Southeast Asia" Me in 2023: "That was 24 years ago!!"
This single scene has always been, to me, the single best portrayal of near future grounded mech combat. Mechs used alongside other currwnt and future tech vehicles. Engagement at range against targets you dont have vissuals on using a range of scopes and sensors. Meaningful radio chatter rather than incoherent emotive screaming. Its makes me so sad that they always get painted garish colours and piloted by pretty boys with problems and or harems of teenage girls these days. Lol.
i miss this old style anime movie drawing. not saying this day anime movie is bad but their style is vastly different since this day we just use cg and stuff
Fun fact this was made to represent something that happened irl, Japan lead a un convoy in South Africa witch got attacked and if I remember right a lot of them died if not all of them and Japan was mad upset of the un rules and response
Not really. The closest analogue is an incident in Cambodia, in which a Japanese police officer conducting a patrol as part of a PKO deployment was killed in a firefight. But largely, it's a commentary on how the Japanese SDF face myriad restrictions unique to a "Self-Defense Force" constitutionally barred from using force to resolve international conflicts. This is a gross oversimplification, but because the SDF is legally not a military, there is an extreme hesitation to return fire as doing so might be construed as engaging in warfare--a cardinal unconstitutional sin for the SDF. To be fair, IRL shooting in self-defense was allowed at the time, but only when there is a direct threat to the lives of SDF personnel, not when other people (foreign troops, civilians, etc) were threatened--even if it posed a significant threat to the SDF themselves. Furthermore, because legally the SDF aren't supposed to be deployed where there's a chance of conflict (an assumption entirely at odds with the reality of PKO deployment), there is no legal framework to handle the possibility of a SDF personnel firing their weapon and killing someone. This is why the PKO troops in the video are ordered not to return fire under any circumstance, even when it is clear it is in self-defense. The higher ups (who clearly do not understand the immediate threat) preferred to avoid any nasty legal complications over the lives of SDF personnel. The troops are instead told to wait for nearby Canadian reinforcements to arrive--a realistic touch, with actual SDF UN missions carried out while being defended by other militaries, who actually have the legal clearance to open fire when needed. This is why the antagonist in the movie (pictured here returning fire against orders) stages a virtual war in Tokyo. Japan's insistence on its pacifism enshrined in its constitution, and its simultaneous attempts to gain relevance on the post Cold War international stage by offering its troops to foreign deployments is fundamentally contradictory, incompatible, and wantonly risks the lives of the SDF personnel. By engineering a scenario later in the movie in which it "appears" that Tokyo is at war, the antagonist tries to make people realize that their precept of a peace being defended by the SDF is a castle in the sand; that Japan is wholly unprepared, and unwilling to face the realities of peace, security, and war.
And this was 3 yeard BEFORE the gits movie. Honestly this movie has cleaner line work and more grand animation overall, never new why people only remebet gits as the height of 90s Production IG animation.
UN peacekeeping missions in a nutshell. Paint a big target on yourself and hope the combatants in the conflict ‘follow the rules’ and aren’t trigger-happy.
It's not even a tank, it's a mobile AA, it's a Tunguska although in this particular situation the Tunguska is a better choice than a tank. From what I can see here the mechs are closer to IFVs/APCs so their armour is relatively lighter than a tank so the twin 30mm rapid firing autocannon can do serious damage towards the mechs.
As far as I know, labor should be used for logistical assistance, controlling riots in cities, to counter terrorist, and other things like supporthing only, but at that time they had the opportunity to prove to the military world that labor could be used for military operations, and in the end they failed and worsened Labor's reputation for military world, from the concept it is very good for personnel transport vehicles or supply logistics vehicles, in terms of armor, of course, it is possible that only light armor can withstand 50 caliber (perhaps). Labor weaponry is also quite weak, because it only uses 20mm automatic cannon. , and other additional weaponry (if necessary) labor weaponry is limited to self-defense (I think it's like that) btw and labor are not suppose to fight in frontline, because they are useless in frontline, because atgm are very likely to hit labor easly
I can't stand what they did to the audio in this version - its way better without music until Tsuge gets hit and the rain starts falling, then there is an eerie low key music track.
@@make1up726 Pretty sure that was a soviet AA. Also, I see the use a tanks and other war machines in a mecha anime which is not too far behind in tech as a win.
That tank looks like the rogue runaway tank with a human brain in it from Ghost in the Shell. I love this concept of armored vehicle. The in between of a tank and mech.
It took too long to allow the attack and was destroyed without being able to attack. This could be a reality now, and there are rules that cannot be attacked without the country's highest permission. This anime expresses the rotten Japanese rules
The thing is, this is heavily geopolitical because Imperial Japan during the 'Imperialist' era (i.e. the country was run by the Imperialist Faction, which overthrew the 'Old Men' faction during the late 1920s/early 1930s) condensed centuries of colonial horror into scant decades. If JSDF opens fire in another country, the anti-Japanese sentiment will skyrocket across Indochina. It also doesn't help that a good portion of the ELECTED government is some stripe of Neo-Imperialist.
@Loli4lyf well berserk is actually pretty good and quite Rich in details compared to many today anime and it fits berserk quite well . there is a ton of worse anime these days like the mandatory crappy isekai at least one per season . But on the other hand this anime looks stunning and it's from 1993. Makes you think what went wrong
Dunno why but this 2014 clip is booming right now, so I'm adding english subtitles. Enjoy
yeah i wanna know why 90s anime is booming rn
Real MVP for taking the time to do that.
Because fucking great animation! thats why. Old animation is superior to almost everything that comes out nowadays.
There also seems to be some kind of boom going on with old movie clips on the UA-cam Algoritm.
@@josejuanandrade4439 yeah its been like that for as long as i can remember but is it because its the year that akira took place in
This is by the same creator of birdie the mighty.
このパトレイバー２を作っていた時の、映画の内容と現実の社会情勢のシンクロ率が、本当に洒落にならない状況でした。
劇場版２作目の制作の始まった1992年の秋から、折しも陸上自衛隊が初のPKO活動としてカンボジアへ海外派遣されましたが、ポル・ポト派の武装ゲリラが横行する現地の緊迫した様子が連日報道される中、明日にも自衛隊員が戦闘に巻き込まれるのではないかという緊張感は、決して生半可な物ではありませんでした。
実際、翌年1993年の5月（映画公開の３か月前）には、同じく文民警察官として活動していた日本人がゲリラに襲われ遂に死傷者まで出るに及び、日本の緊張はピークに達しました。
今だから言えますが当時自分も作画の作業に連日追われながら、こんな洒落にならなそうな内容の映画を作って本当に大丈夫なのかと、内心不安を感じていました。
もしかしたらその後の現地の状況次第では公開延期になる可能性も有り得たのではと、今でも本気で思っています。
映画の内容もですが、時代のタイムリー性という意味でも凄い作品でしたね。
今でもUNTACの時と同じく「情報収集」という名目で実質はイラン相手のパトロールをさせられてるので、あんまし変わってません・・・
おまけに後の「破壊活動防止法」の適用など時代の先を行ってたましたね。地下鉄サリンの前に東京でガスを撒くテロ騒動。高校時代に仲間と学生運動に参加しようとして親父に監禁された押井少年の危機意識の高さを感じます。
同時代なら当たり前なんじゃないの？って思うんだけど脚本はもっと前に作ってるってこと？
パトレイバー２は専守防衛が如何に恐ろしい結果を招くかをテーマに扱った作品でもあった。
仲間に死傷者が出るまで反撃できない。つまり味方が死んで初めて反撃（らしき）ものが出来る。
パト２はこの専守防衛と言う馬鹿げた思想の愚かさを正面から問うた、ある意味で政治的な作品でした。
この作品を見て、押井守は（左翼出身らしいが）まともな思考が出来る人なんだな、と思った。
@@jap656
初のPKO派遣が決定した事から、物語を構想し脚本を作った。
そして、制作が開始された時期にPKO派遣が行われた。
つまり、
「同時進行」
そして、映画が完成する頃に、(警官だけど)実際に死傷者も出した。
To explain what happened: the UN were having a peacekeeping mission. When the Japanese encounter hostile units, they request open fire, but HQ refuses as Japanese could only partake multi-nation operations but not firing on foreign soil. Hence the Japanese could only watch themselves getting killed.
This also happened in real life and as 2 Japanese did died during a PKO. The Japanese government call that operation a success but many cannot see it eye to eye.
@Zakka Pranggapati Peace Keeping Operations.
This also applies to other PKF missions. In theory, PKF could only fire when fired upon as defensive options. But in reality enemies often exploit on this ROE weakness. For example Hakija Turajlić, the Deputy Prime Minister of Bosnia and Herzegovina was killed while under UN "protection" since his French guards couldn't open fire on the attackers without direct order from UN commanders.
@@TimCeallaigh Arguably the most successful military to work in UN is India (liberated Sierra Leone and destroyed RUF). Ironically they also apparently have the most numbers of "Command violation".
ua-cam.com/video/C85PSKrItfI/v-deo.html - When the UN does kick ass.
ironically, during a PKO, shooting back means a severe punishment and the commendable action is either die on the spot or retreat with your guns loaded and roundful of mags (yes, they fucking carry a rifle full of rounds)
This makes PKO soldier a fucking joke to anyone. From the civilian they supposed to protect and to the rebels and insurgent that terrors the townsfolk.
Mechs: Exist for some reason
Tunguska anti-air: you dare oppose me mortal
Конечно Тунгуска но на ИЛСе шилка
gaijin pls nerf
That was Shilka
@@nurlan1555 Cilka! читай лучше XD
Yes we all read shilka but the design was of the Tunguska
For a real life parallel, this opening scene is suppose to take place during the 1992-1993 UNTAC mission in Cambodia. Japan was a main contributor with Australia and other UN members.
Polish forces took part top.Because of crisis we had poor supplies and logistics.
@@DoctorTG typical UN politics
@@DoctorTG no u just got your ass kicked
@@MisfitRecords yes, due to incompetence of the leaders
@@MisfitRecords
Shut up
what's cool about Patlabour is that, not only do they show a military and construction version of their mechas but also a UN peace keepers version as well
An anime movie that does not make tanks obsolete now that is what i like.
Especially mecha anime.
Mecha anime tends to potray tank as a cannon fodder.
@@dereenaldoambun9158 tanks if tanks fought an actuall mech the mech would lose reall easy as the tank already has more advantages then the mech. Mechs are so easy to spot because of the very high profile which actually makes mechs cannon fodder in reality.
But i do love my mechs tho especially Macross fighter jets
And it's not even a tank either. It's an SPAA.
It always comes down to who shoots first, no reason why tanks can't have the same guns as a mech.
@@MrFunkhauser
Mechs in general are so hard to become a proper fighting vehicle especially the two legged ones as if one leg is shot it is down and it would be near impossible to shoot back as the gun has fallen with the mech. You also see the two legged mechs only have miniguns and not a smooth bore gun like the ones in m1a2 Abrams as it is already hard to keep a mech like that from falling over due as everything has to be balanced.
Newtons 3rd law would make the mech fall over so easily unless it has more armor to weigh it down which makes it not mernoverable anymore which i think thats what most people think about mechs.
For any Ghost in the Shell fan this is a must see. Animation techinque, character design and especially director's work (those long music sequences) - to me this is essentially a GitS draft (and a great movie by itself).
Patlabor 2 is better IMO
Head cannon is that its the same universe at a different point
Directed by the same person. A lot of the stuff in ghost in the shell is found in here in sort of like ‘experimental’ phases
The spider - tank is very GiTS. Although somewhat underpowered
@@НиколайТодоров-и9т If by "underpowered" you mean behaves like a real vehicle.
凄いよな
現代(当時)の情勢からばっちり先を掴む作品
27年前のクオリティとは思えない。。
何度、見たことか
"I killed more tanks than planes in this thing."
- Spookston
lol war thunder reference
痛烈な社会風刺。CambodiaPKOで亡くなった警察官は、対抗武力も交戦も認められることなく亡くなった。
Sos sos sos
警察官？
@@コーラって美味しいよね-n2j
岡山県警 髙田警部補 1993年5月カンボジアでPKO参加中に武装集団に襲撃され殉職されました。
@@anchor105 警察官だっあんですか！てっきり自衛官かと思っていました。
派遣された警察官は、生き抜くために現地でAK47を手にしたと告白してました。NHK特集だったと思います。まさに命がけで日本政府の命令なんて聞いていられない程、追い込まれていた。胸が詰まる。殉職された警察官は最後まで、呼吸を頑張っていたとの事。実に辛い話です。
Japanese super tech: 0
Soviet bias: 1
Made of Stalinium
@@DestinyTerraria fires 120 mm of lenninum apfsds
@@nemguite4861 fire 9M111 multirole antimaterial missiles
slow burning investigative thrillers. i miss the 90's
Nobody messes with a Tunguska.
Hell yeah not even anime's waifu can destroy this spider tank
Tunguska STRONK
TmoDDD
Plot armor op
*But a Crusaders QF 6 Pndr Mk 3 that going 50 MPH can kill it because why not*
Tunguska - anti-aircraft, anti-tank, anti-mecha.... Anti-everything
@@Killdozer-do4mc Anti Capitalist
2021年再度4DXにて各地映画館で放映が決定、コロナ渦で厳しい状況ですがやはり観たいです。
パトレイバーはこう言う世相の描写が抜群なんだよな～、漫画も。
Best opening scene to any anime movie ever. There are close contenders, but this one is my favorite.
Amazing what the writers thought would be possible in only 15 years.
Alot different now aint it?
I think that, super network warfare might be where it is at
I think the military realized not too long ago mechs are ridiculous to build and maintain when you can have 20 tanks instead for the same cost/time sink. They both gonna carry the same guns so why bother
I think that it is possible if given enough funding. But the thing is that they are impractical.
Why add legs when you can add wheels? Wheels are much more efficient. If you need all terrain capabilities then there are special wheels/tracks for that too.
@Ввуулдтууррм Флуурр-Флууксс Jumping off a cliff? Good luck landing with the pilot alive. As for hiding in an urban area, infantry does that infinitely better and can be remarkably well-protected.
All the Japanese 'UN' units died because they were ordered to only evade and escape,. They were requesting permission to defend them selves and were denied and let the Cannadians hanlde the hostiles. The Colonel disobeyed orders (can't blame him) at the end. From what I've read elsewhere, this was not so much a swipe at the UN by the author but the policies of the Japanese government which hog-tied the self defense forces.
The Canadians, reported to be the most polite people, were inbound and expected to suppress the hostiles that Japanese Units were prohibited from engaging. Watch it again and you see it. It didn't make sense to me either until someone else explained it.
Wait there's Canadians in it?, if so what part? I wanna see.
@@vothbetilia4862 Looks like we don’t show up.
(The rest of the movie takes place years later, with no further details given about these events.)
@@ericssmith2014 Damn that's a bummer, I really wanted to see some Canadian action considering we're never in a lot of shows.
@@vothbetilia4862 y'all are kinda in there since the canadian military is supposed to be the one that save the Japanese forces, due to their orders to not shoot on foreign soil.
@@zinedinezethro9157 That's interesting. Thanks for the information.
Who else misses this era of anime movies?
Not really there's some incredible work coming out now.
@@Osprey1994 like what
The craftsmanship is incredible
@@Osprey1994 OK name 5
Not like this kind of movies were big back then either sadly, Mamoru Oshii was a master, sadly not many can come close to his works.
知り合いの自衛官はこれ観て
「こういう状況なら普通に戦闘するよ、まぁ公表はされないけどね」
と言ってた。
政治の本質はフィクションだ
政治は演劇とおなじ
国家が組織的におこなうショーなのだ
小さな嘘はすぐばれるが
大きな嘘は真実になる
巨大な虚偽を創造する巨大な装置
それが国家なのだ
大衆どもに壮大な夢を
見させてやるのがわれわれの務め
国家はそのための造夢装置なのだ
『紺碧の艦隊』より
まあ、撃っちゃうよね
撃って相手を殺して、帰ってきて、罪に問われても、生きてればどうにでもなるしね。
問題は現実では警察官が派遣されていたこと
物凄く嘘くさい。自衛官は何人か知っているが、そんなことをする規律はないと思う。異常なまでに専守防衛に拘っている。軍隊と呼ばれることさえ、拒否感を持っている人もいる。
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да она так выглядит с тех пор как разгромили югославию .
Just acc 130 the shit the enemy
2019 and still no awsome spider tanks.
The more logical investment is Jets that can kill stuff from 5 miles away, or from 26,000 ft.
MitchMaker We learned our lesson from the Praying Mantis tank it was a disaster made the crews sick and it was hard to operate
Because is not effective in warfare.
King David not really using Spider type APCs can be good from avoiding things like mines but true it can be a bad thing since it will be high profile and can be seen easily but still it might move faster
@King David no, it a good design if you have the tech to back it up, which we do not.
声は根津甚八さんですよね。イイ味のある声ですね。
竹中直人さんも出ててめっちゃハマってるし配役のセンスいいなぁ〜☺️
竹中直人は実写版にも出てたけど、出来ればアニメ版と同じ役をやって欲しかったなぁ。その場合は服役囚の役にはなるんだろうけど。
まさかの立ち食い師かよと笑いましたwww
ARMA III fans and players can easily relate to the unfortunate UN Japanese peacekeepers having a hard time with the Shilka.
This aside, can easily see why a lot of Patlabor movie duology scenes have so many views on YT, although I sure wish that The Early Days OVAs and the TV Series+The New Files get the same amount of love.
Anime is wrong, it’s 2S19 tunguska
It is a Tunguska, I would know
@@tunguska2370 hi, tunguska. So you played on this anime ?
@@victor6814I like how the tung with paper thin armor just tanks the AC fire and apparently replaced it's SAMs with ATGMs
I grew up with this movie used to watch it over and over in my teens
What is the name of the movie
@@gsauto8588 Patlabor 2
Me too.
The art is simply gorgeous I just don't know what happened to anime animation this days
Ikr. Anime is dead
Animation ruined it
Lack of funds and time
And this is expensive to make
Otaku ruined it
始まっちゃうと最後まで見ちゃうのがパト2
多分全編100回くらい見てるな
i really like the detail of the slightly offset cockpit on those biped mechs to hold a gunship style turreted sensor head
正に「現場を知らない官僚主義」の弊害。
これは最早妄想ではない
Mechs: nooo you can't shoot us like that, that's not fair.
Tunguska: haha SPAAG goes Brrt
押井守さんのパトレイバー すばらしい、４０年(定かでは無い)以上前 少年サンデーにゆうきまさみさんが連載された時も
なんという内容の高さとオドロキました、今 新たに押井さんのパトレイバーを見れて幸せです
Same animators for OG Ghost in the Shell? Ooooh yeah.
神の像はすべてを見ていた。
だが、何もしてはくれなかった。
神さん❗
言うとったるがのう
あんたぁはじめっから
ワシら人間が担いどる神輿やないの❗
世の中ここまでなんのに
誰が血と汗水と涙流しとるんの❔
神輿が勝手に歩けるいうんなら歩いてみいや、おう⁉️
ワシらの言う通りにしとってくれりゃあ
ワシらも黙って担ぐが
のう神さん❗
人の世はなんぼ
信心しとっても良うならんので❗
こっからは黙って
ワシら人間に任しとってつかいや‼️
@@山田勇一-k1w 文章は短い方がいいよ
Animation on point. Much much better than nowadays production.
Skill issue. Find better anime.
何回観てもいい
An old Soviet AA destroyed a whole enemy's advanced armor forces? This is some War Thunder shits right there
That's actually a new one.
Yeah some Russian bias shit
They weren't allowed to engage, it doesn't matter how high tech they were, they were sitting ducks.
Closet thing i ever i got this in real life was being part of a Bradley Fighting vehicle crew in combat. I remember watching this as a teenager and telling myself how cool that is... and i want to do that someday. I am an old man now.. i never regretted that decision. And to this day... i believe this is the most highly detailed anime 2nd only to Akira.
Been a fan of patlabor since 1995 🤘😜🤘
Terrifying thing is, that's pretty accurate, UN Peacekeepers can never make the first move. The guys who sign on have got balls of steel.
Yeah and also the thing about the labors that is said in this very movie.
At a certain point, it is said that the Police Labors are to lightly armed for the task and their armor is also compared to cars.
Then the question is brought up "what if we come face to face with a tank?"
And the response was something along the lines of "Then you should close your eyes"
柘植のヘルメットの脱ぎかたと最後にしのぶさんが埋め立て地でメットを脱ぐ動きが同じなんだっけ
I love how that IFV is just a regular IFV with Mech legs.
これを観ると、ロボットアニメが衰退したのは有能な監督が居なくなったからだと思ってしまう
パトレイバー2は名作だね
これ、『ロボットアニメ』ですかね？
いや、この作品、自分も何度も見るくらい好きですよ？
でも『戦争と後方の平和』とか、『平時の戦時への備え』とか、そんな政治家的主張が主題であって、ロボットがメインじゃないような・・・
当時は押井監督が好き勝手やったという批難（？）もあったようで・・・あの方、“戦後の平和は虚構である”ってのが信条らしく、その通りのものを作ったとしか・・・
@@クヌギタックル パトレイバーは人間ドラマですよね。それに登場するキャラクター全員が主役。
ロボットアニメでええやん
エヴァはロボットアニメじゃないって言うのと同じレベルかな？
機械っぽいのが動いてたらそれはロボットや
It's funny that an Tunguska SPAAG took the mechs out, this shows one of two things
The the mechs have extremely thinn paper armor to the point that AA missiles (which are focused in HE power rather than AP power) managed to destroy them
Or that this was a goof made by the devs, which is most likely but who knows
Still is a great scene
actually that would make sense: the reason we dont have spider-tanks right now is three fold:
one: there's really not that much advantage in mobility in military terms. basically, anywhere you'd need a spider-tank to go, isn't somewhere you should really be thinking about bringing tanks, and would likely be better served by helicopter gunships or infantry
two: you physically cannot armor them as heavily as a tracked or even wheeled vehicle, because they need far more articulation
three: current power generation and electric motors simply don't have the required power-weight ratio to make it practical, even in the multi-billion-dollar realm of military hardware, political considerations aside, we're not going to be putting nuclear reactors in what is (by necessity) a lightly armored vehicle, to do something we can use tracks and a gas turbine for.
@@randomdeadbody yeah, I was thinking about this for a while
A tank can be taken out by tunguska too
@@Killdozer-do4mc depends on the tank, and era
What do you mean they cut the funding to my nuclear powered spider tank. Can't they see that spooky spider tanks are the way of the future
日本の掲げる専守防衛とやらに部下をやられる隊長。せつない。
実際、先制攻撃を受けても反撃しちゃダメな場合が多いのでしょうねぇ
@@ねむい-u6i 今はＯＫ。武器等防護、駆け付け警護。いろんなツールが遅ればせながら与えられた
自衛隊法は警察法の改訂版みたいなもので、交戦規定やら諸々の想定に関する記述がないから、いざ実戦となれば法解釈やらで相当苦労するでしょうねぇ。最悪、先制攻撃を受けても反撃できずに死者が続出してしまう可能性も。
@@ケロシン-f8h 指揮官次第ですな
実際に死者が出ないと法改正出来ない。今のコロナ対策も実際どうなってるか最早判断できなくなってますね。政府は本当に適切な判断をしているか？
子供の時は意味がわからなかったが、大人になってやっと理解できるようになった。
４DXを今の若者が見た時、どんなふうに思うのだろうか。
高校生ですけれども、まず4DXが邪魔すぎてあんまり理解できませんでした、、、
@@ゆうチィ 私は3回ぐらい見て理解できましたｗそして、今の時代がナンセンスだと言うことも30年経ってやっと理解できましたよ😅
That animation is gorgeous
This anime actually looks interesting, unlike most modern ones which slams little girl into the story literally everytime.
You'll be glad to know that the series and the movie trilogy are devoid of any loli characters. The movies are an excellent very intelligent but rather slow building investigative thriller and cop drama. There's actually very little mecha action in the movies which is a little unfortunate given the superb animation quality on display.
"Oh btw, I'm a vampire..." lololololol
The tv series of patlabor is quite good also, the old one from 1989. It follows the patlabor police headquarters. I haven't watched it completely but it's kind of mecha police drama. With comedy thrown in also.
The plot is solid, it's less than drama but more like political and ideology or something
@@humanafterallTF2 yeah the comical part of the tv series is certainly nowhere to be seen in this movie, it's almost like apples and oranges
Patlabor 1 & 2, 2 of the best politically themed movies that really make you think, this is what I wish there were more of, not just gratuitous sex , or naked bodies that have nothing to say,
Did the Tunguska take the bipedal Labors out? I mean the amount or rockets/missles fired at them was far more than the 8 the tunguska carried.
Secondly, the missle that takes the "spider" labor out was clearly a wire guided anti tank missle, the way it moves and sways clearly shows so. we werent shown that the tunguska fired it.
Furthermore one needs to understand Labors in this universe, they came to be as woking and construction machines (hence the name "Labor") , naturally posing a threat if in the wrong hands. Measures needed to be taken, thus police labors came to be, a way for law enforcment to deal with rampaging labors. From there, adopting them to military use wasn't that far off.
And no, at no point in the universe were labors meant to be better than tanks, but instead created to "work" along conventional military hardware.
Lastly, it was a UN mission, and those rarely have heavily armed contigens, plus the fact that mostly UN forces work with the "only open fire after beeing engaging by hostiles" policy.
Those guys were sent poorly equipped along with beeing given wrong rules of engagement for the task.
It's pretty likely the tunguska fired the missile at the UN spider labor thing. The missile apperes on screen right where the tunguska's missile launcher are located at. The director or however is supposed to keep track of this stuff probably just goofed and forgot the tunguska only had 8 missiles.
Finally, mechs that don't make tanks obsolete
@@Voschanethe missiles that took out the mechs were RPGs from the infantry ahead of them, it seems that only first 2 and last missiles are actually from the Tonguska (though in reality its not equipped with an ATGM, though the dual 30mm cannons could have done some serious damage
@@yuukibr5959 the tunguska can fire missiles at ground targets since they're laser guided
That final scene of the temple reminds me of metal slug one, mission 1
Hmmmmmmm.... The Russian track vehicle is meant to be AA... It's referred to as tunguska
its dual use , the cannons can be used for ground attack
@@lufasumafalu5069 yeah, but it doesn't carry any ATGMs, only SAMs.
It's the future, they can add dual-strike capability.
Tunguska...
That's a limit of budget not technology. Your 30 million specialist vehicle today is tomorrows surplus gear that gets expanded to a "multirole" model for export to budget conscious 3rd world leaders because it's not as useful in the intended role. See the F4, A7, F16 (and every other air-superiority fighter that eventually becomes an attack plane) Hell they even hung bombs off the F14 at the end
Me in 1993 watching Patlabor 2: "The future looks so cool with robots and technology and stuff!!!"
Movie: "1999: Somewhere in Southeast Asia"
Me in 2023: "That was 24 years ago!!"
あー、なるほど。
ラーダーが逃げ込んだ場所が地雷原、敵小隊と地雷原に挟まれて退けなくなった所に交戦許可が降りず、そのまま全滅したと。
This single scene has always been, to me, the single best portrayal of near future grounded mech combat. Mechs used alongside other currwnt and future tech vehicles. Engagement at range against targets you dont have vissuals on using a range of scopes and sensors. Meaningful radio chatter rather than incoherent emotive screaming.
Its makes me so sad that they always get painted garish colours and piloted by pretty boys with problems and or harems of teenage girls these days. Lol.
1930年代の話だが、かの有名な盧溝橋事件では演習中の日本軍に銃弾が飛んで来た。
明らかに中国軍の兵営が存在する方角からのものだったので日本軍部隊が中国軍側に確認を打診したところ､また銃撃が来た。
そこで日本軍部隊は連隊本部に連絡、連隊本部は「では撃ち返せ！」ということで本格的戦闘となった。
この連隊長こそがかの悪名高い牟田口廉也なのだが、彼とて事情を確認した上で攻撃を命じたのであって、盧溝橋事件に関しては責めを問う事は出来まい。
ということを思い出した。
We need a 4K HDR release of this masterpiece
Tunguska: Oh? You're Approaching Me?
Its 2019, and we don't even have a tank that can't stuck in muddy terrain
Tushiglen Gantulga but my country use leopard for jungle.... its like sucide mission for tank crew
@@dahaproject3498 Bruh, tanks in a jungle environment?
You have armoured cars for that kind of stuff.
@@ls200076 yes....
@@dahaproject3498 let me guess your country is indonesia,am i right
@@professionaldisappointment1654 yes, still use leopard 2 revolution (mod. version of 2a4).
後に作られるゴーストインザシェルに通じる演出。
i miss this old style anime movie drawing. not saying this day anime movie is bad but their style is vastly different since this day we just use cg and stuff
gorgeous work
They sure don't make em like they used too. The golden age of anime ended long ago with master pieces like this.
隊長ぉぉぉぉ・・・・ッ！！
Fun fact this was made to represent something that happened irl, Japan lead a un convoy in South Africa witch got attacked and if I remember right a lot of them died if not all of them and Japan was mad upset of the un rules and response
Not really.
The closest analogue is an incident in Cambodia, in which a Japanese police officer conducting a patrol as part of a PKO deployment was killed in a firefight.
But largely, it's a commentary on how the Japanese SDF face myriad restrictions unique to a "Self-Defense Force" constitutionally barred from using force to resolve international conflicts.
This is a gross oversimplification, but because the SDF is legally not a military, there is an extreme hesitation to return fire as doing so might be construed as engaging in warfare--a cardinal unconstitutional sin for the SDF. To be fair, IRL shooting in self-defense was allowed at the time, but only when there is a direct threat to the lives of SDF personnel, not when other people (foreign troops, civilians, etc) were threatened--even if it posed a significant threat to the SDF themselves. Furthermore, because legally the SDF aren't supposed to be deployed where there's a chance of conflict (an assumption entirely at odds with the reality of PKO deployment), there is no legal framework to handle the possibility of a SDF personnel firing their weapon and killing someone.
This is why the PKO troops in the video are ordered not to return fire under any circumstance, even when it is clear it is in self-defense. The higher ups (who clearly do not understand the immediate threat) preferred to avoid any nasty legal complications over the lives of SDF personnel. The troops are instead told to wait for nearby Canadian reinforcements to arrive--a realistic touch, with actual SDF UN missions carried out while being defended by other militaries, who actually have the legal clearance to open fire when needed.
This is why the antagonist in the movie (pictured here returning fire against orders) stages a virtual war in Tokyo. Japan's insistence on its pacifism enshrined in its constitution, and its simultaneous attempts to gain relevance on the post Cold War international stage by offering its troops to foreign deployments is fundamentally contradictory, incompatible, and wantonly risks the lives of the SDF personnel. By engineering a scenario later in the movie in which it "appears" that Tokyo is at war, the antagonist tries to make people realize that their precept of a peace being defended by the SDF is a castle in the sand; that Japan is wholly unprepared, and unwilling to face the realities of peace, security, and war.
戦場で一番つらいのは自分のミスで同僚の命を失うことらしい。
ドンパチはぶっちゃけ楽しいらしい。
なんか同僚の葬儀に参加した米兵は自殺率があがるらしいですね。それが自分のミスだったらもう…。
And this was 3 yeard BEFORE the gits movie.
Honestly this movie has cleaner line work and more grand animation overall, never new why people only remebet gits as the height of 90s Production IG animation.
UN peacekeeping missions in a nutshell. Paint a big target on yourself and hope the combatants in the conflict ‘follow the rules’ and aren’t trigger-happy.
i'm sorry, dave
93年公開の作品が現代起こりえる問題を浮き彫りにしている。
The fact that a tank killed the mechs is actually pretty impressive
It's not even a tank, it's a mobile AA, it's a Tunguska although in this particular situation the Tunguska is a better choice than a tank. From what I can see here the mechs are closer to IFVs/APCs so their armour is relatively lighter than a tank so the twin 30mm rapid firing autocannon can do serious damage towards the mechs.
they have ordered to stay and not fight back
As far as I know, labor should be used for logistical assistance, controlling riots in cities, to counter terrorist, and other things like supporthing only, but at that time they had the opportunity to prove to the military world that labor could be used for military operations, and in the end they failed and worsened Labor's reputation for military world, from the concept it is very good for personnel transport vehicles or supply logistics vehicles, in terms of armor, of course, it is possible that only light armor can withstand 50 caliber (perhaps). Labor weaponry is also quite weak, because it only uses 20mm automatic cannon. , and other additional weaponry (if necessary) labor weaponry is limited to self-defense (I think it's like that)
btw and labor are not suppose to fight in frontline, because they are useless in frontline, because atgm are very likely to hit labor easly
pretty sure with a correct aiming, you can wreck an F-35 or an Apache with a ww1 cannon. So realistically a tank WILL wreck a mecha.
Ist not anime.. this is military thriller movies.. amazing
Never listen to a boss , sitting in an office far away
1999年東南アジア某国・・・リアルではその１年前に柘植のPKO部隊を壊滅させたゲリラ勢力は
指導者の死によって自然消滅したというのは皮肉だな。（1996年頃には既に内部崩壊を起こしていた）
理想をもてあそぶ者のアホウっぷりは世界何処に行っても同じなんですな。
UA-cam recommendation did good job thx
I can't stand what they did to the audio in this version - its way better without music until Tsuge gets hit and the rain starts falling, then there is an eerie low key music track.
Im here because it is same as the OBSOLETE series. Waiting for season 2
ドライな印象の強い世界観でしたが、溢れんばかりの詩情が画面から伝わっていて、そこに確かな救いが感じ取れる日本のアニメーション作品の傑作だったと思います。
現実から目を逸らし、逃避するなかで各々が思い描いた荒唐無稽な幻想に引きこもるという方法論なりニュアンスが今も昔も多数派なのですが。
非常に強く客観性を意識させる物語や世界の中で、しっかりと機敏を描くことの重要性は受け継がれていって欲しいと思います。
Tunguska
Anti Air? , Check.
Anti Infantry, Check.
Anti Vehicle, Check.
Anti Mech... Check.
this looks amazing even if the mecha are easily beaten.
thats a creative way of using a tungi, but cool indeed and also seems effective
Wow ... That Cambodia temple...
Надо же сколько смотрел и пересматривал фильм, а не обращал внимания что звено лейборов "Тунгуска" разобрала. Правда её почему-то Шилкой обозвали.
Compared to todays robots anime. This is so good. 10/10.... Todays anime 1/10.
Except they got rekt by random dudes with RPGs lol
make1up726 Exactly how a mecha would fare irl.
@@make1up726 Pretty sure that was a soviet AA. Also, I see the use a tanks and other war machines in a mecha anime which is not too far behind in tech as a win.
@@make1up726 So just like real life tanks ? XD
This holds up pretty well in 2020.
Welcome to UA-cam algorithm
If that Russian AA tank actually got hit by that cannon it would be scrap
ラーダー❨ゴング0❩はガンヘッドを火力低下&軽量化したみたいな指揮特化のレイバーだよね
本格的に交戦出来なかった以上はラーダーがガンヘッドだったとしても何の解決にもならなかったという皮肉過ぎる惨劇
ガンヘッドに比べられないくらいの火力低下でPKO仕様25mmチェーンガンしか武器が無いっていうね。
なんならゴング各機も20mmバルカン砲しか装備してないように見えるし()
@@kisshii__ 殿
仮に、隊長の独断で部隊全員が本格的に交戦出来ていたらラーダーの単装25mmチェーンガン1門のみで無くハンニバル（ゴング機）全機の20mm6門バルカンと股部90mmチェーンガン（実質はチェーンガンと呼ばれる3門ガトリング砲らしい）も交えた集中砲火で敵装甲車（対空自走砲か歩兵戦闘車の模様）をワンチャン辛うじて大破せしめた見込みが有るだけに、余計口惜し過ぎる
因みにガンヘッド1機はフレアランチャーと5.56mm機銃を除外すると
①チェーンガンと呼ばれる20mm3門バルカン(付属品の有るM197ぽい)+レーザースポットライフル
②対地6連装ミサイル
③反動抑制単装75mm砲
で武装していますから、
全砲門一斉射の火力が
ラーダー1機
That tank looks like the rogue runaway tank with a human brain in it from Ghost in the Shell. I love this concept of armored vehicle. The in between of a tank and mech.
Old anime was so accurate and interesting, todays anime seems to be degenerate bullshit
yeah, I understand why he decided to start a coup d'état in Japan
I wish I could see berserk in this quality animation.
何番脚と何番脚と何番脚が損傷したのか、いつでも言えるようになった。
UA-cam algorithm
2014: no
2015: not yet
2016: still no
2017: nope
2018: just a little bit more
2019: there we go
Shut the fuck up
Piss off will you
Light Lance vs. SRM Carrier.
Even in an alternate Universe the UN is still useless..
Who needs future tech weapon when good old Soviet tank get the job done?
they have receive order to not to engage, did you watch the video?
Fuck off
It took too long to allow the attack and was destroyed without being able to attack.
This could be a reality now, and there are rules that cannot be attacked without the country's highest permission.
This anime expresses the rotten Japanese rules
The thing is, this is heavily geopolitical because Imperial Japan during the 'Imperialist' era (i.e. the country was run by the Imperialist Faction, which overthrew the 'Old Men' faction during the late 1920s/early 1930s) condensed centuries of colonial horror into scant decades.
If JSDF opens fire in another country, the anti-Japanese sentiment will skyrocket across Indochina. It also doesn't help that a good portion of the ELECTED government is some stripe of Neo-Imperialist.
It’s sort of funny how this shows the powerlessness of the UN Peacekeeping Troops when the Srebrenica Genocide would happen just 2 years after this.
It would be nice to have it remastered.
@Loli4lyf well berserk is actually pretty good and quite Rich in details compared to many today anime and it fits berserk quite well . there is a ton of worse anime these days like the mandatory crappy isekai at least one per season . But on the other hand this anime looks stunning and it's from 1993. Makes you think what went wrong
@Loli4lyf and so do i
If you mean remastered by bringing it up to full 4k beauty I'd agree with you.
No, I don't want to see such a masterpiece get ruined, it's good as it is.