Upgrade? No but if you're like me and your workflow requires fast single core performance then GPU power to render or if you're playing games, this is actually a compelling option to save a few bucks. Find and open box or refurb mini ITX z690 for $130 and go ham. I'm considering this route for a new build since my 12700k/4070 live at work and I want a desktop at home. Thanks for sharing!
Great video :) These types of curiosity videos really need English streams when doing mega-hardware tests/benchmarking etc. Would love to watch such content here if you have time :)
Fist time you pop out in my feed, and watched the whole video. Good to know this things can overclock, it has defenetly a lot of value, some quircks arround it, but if you're savvy i think its a great CPU. Greatly explained too, good job man!
I bought and experimented with one of these quite a few months ago... your video pretty much sums up exactly what I found. Tested it in a MSI MEG Z690i Unify (one of the best DDR5 boards, as far as memory clocks). Pretty much hit a hard wall at 6000MT C34; possibly could squeeze it to 6200MT if I wanted to loosen the timings and fiddle with it a lot longer. In contrast, 12900KS and 13900K can do 7200MT C34 with the same memory modules/motherboard (ie. the limit of this 6000MT C40 kit). As far as "all-core" clocks... it can more or less do what a standard 12900K can do - it was happy enough to do 5.2 boost (ie. 1-2 cores), and 4.8-4.9g all-core frequency for the p-cores, and about 3.7g all-core frequency for the e-cores. E-cores really didn't like going above 3.7g. Oh, but if you try this with the factory IHS and PTM7950 material, it definitely throttles. I then de-lidded it and installed the customised contact frame (sold separately)... using a Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet (graphene sheet), CPU ran quite a bit cooler - enough that it can maintain the 4.8-4.9g p-core and 3.7g e-core boost clocks during CB R23 for 10 minutes without throttling. This was all done with a 240mm AIO. All in all, they're not bad CPUs for the money - but people need to temper their expectations on the achievable memory speeds and overclocks. You can basically view them as a "stock" 12900K in terms of OC potential, with a worse-than-average IMC.
Got my 13850HX ES, but what I ordered and expected, first time Aliexpress customer, was a 13950HX. Chose the direct die with custom frame and Kapton tape. Having the recommended Asus Z690-I but occupied by a 13900K, I chose the Asrock Phantom Gaming Z690 ITX/TB4. Worked out of the box with 32GB, XMP enabled 6000MHz RAM. Funny thing, XMP no longer worked for the BIOS update with the latest microcode. Another weird one, during the video driver installation, one of my Displayport connected monitors began to cycle red, green, blue, black, and white! It persisted even at the turn on of the computer. How could a driver affect anything before the OS?! Swapping cables fixed it; although, some even advertised and shorter higher quality cables did not work. HDMI was unaffected. Anyway, I'd like the get XMP working on the latest BIOS update and microcode, OCD. Anyway, I plan to use it as the processor for a very small all NVME NAS using bifurcation to add 10GB ethernet and a total of six additional NVME drives in a 5L Midori case on the way as of this posting. I have new and sealed i9 Extreme Dragon Canyon that this will hopefully be replacing. Anyway, limited to 55W PL1 and PL2, it still curb stomps my 11900KF in R23 at such low clock speeds. Planning to set the BIOS profiles for NAS and standard desktop and maybe another or two scenarios, this could be my ultimate SFF computational toolkit with say a just received XProto Mini and another cooling soulution. Coming from EVGA Dark/Kingpin and Asus Gaming motherboards in Z590 and Z690 chipset genres, the intricacies of the ASrock motherboard present somewhat of a learning curve and frustration (just started my pc overclocking and tuning experience). Just at 9:31, I plan to gain insight. Out of the box with an air cooler after a seat of the pants trial, I attained greater than 26000 on R23. Having changed back to a previous BIOS, I have got to try it all over. I will have learned to at least download or note the previous BIOS version and set profiles, as I am making an educated guess into the previous BIOS version which worked extremely well. Thanks in advance for the info and testing. Now, onto the rest of the video.
@BBWahoo No, I haven't. I even tried one stick at a time. It was suggested in another video to manually set timings also. I have yet to play with those settings. Another Z690-I will be here if all goes well tomorrow. I may check and see if the motherboard choice clears it up for sake of curiosity. Because of the Midori case, the Asus will not fit; however, I will be trying it out the hx. Since the 13850hx-es will be used in a NAS setup, super fast RAM will not be needed. I will probably purchase 32 or 16GB at 5200MT/s, whatever is cheap, reliable, no RGB, and low profile. I know for a NAS that is overkill; however, it may find its way in other niche or portable applications.
@BBWahoo P.S. The FIVR menu is conspicuously missing from The AsRock TB4 UEFI. I am hoping all the options are present on the Asus board. For a 12600k, I noticed options for AVX-512! I might have one of the earlier chips with that capability (e cores disabled). It will be fun to find out.
@@squirrel6687 Very cool, do let me know if your 13850HX also supports AVX512! I will try DDR4 timings, as those are more compatible I hear, and timings might be easier for a higher end chip
My 12900hx just arrived today I so happened to buy it a few days/weeks ago. It's GOOD 4.9 ALL CORE at -.185 Volts on all cores. Using a B660 Gigabyte motherboard(The same on show in your video btw lol) (Also there has been CPUs like this for year i9 9980hk and Gigabyte had been the best for compatibility historically speaking I don't know if this still holds up but it hasn't been test enough to say) long story short it can do 5.2 all core if you using the direct die adapter witch is usually about $20 on AliExpress. Always undervolt these cpus it'll pay of like -20c I'm using DDR4 3200 CL16 Bbtw
@@Александр_Александров 12900hx can do 5.2 all core, the i9 9980hk was what I was thinking about but I don't think it could do 5.2 all core maybe but I've never tried it myself so
Yeah, 12th gen adopters struck gold. It's unfortunate for those who bought the 13th and 14th, I mean I know not all batches are affected but still. It's still playing with lottery.
Hello, i boight this cpu and paired it with a z790 asus strix a gaming wifi motherboard. Problem, I cant unlock the 55w TDP. Already changed Long duration package power limit to 125w in bios, but IT DIDNT WORK... please HELP 😢😢😢
Great video! I was intrigued by this video so much that now I want to buy this cpu and while searching found the 13th gen 13950hx. Do you know if 13950hx supports 4 ddr4 slot motherboards? Could you put some link to your native language channel? Will be happy to follow you there.
Hi. Same motherboard limitations should apply to 13 gen, but I have not tested it yet. There will be a video about it later. youtube.com/@artyomexplains
@@ArtyomExplainsEng thank you for the reply. Subed both your channels. Will be looking forward forward to the new video. BTW do you know if there is any memory size limit? Like if I can use 4x32GB?
Honestly i'm half tempted to buy this cpu given how unique it is that and emulation wise i bet this be a good bang for your buck emulation cpu once you get the right overclock going given i do have a gigabyte z690 aurous sitting in storage collecting dust so using this cpu would give it a nice home at least.
I have 2 i7-13850HX. Still have no idea what motherboard to get for the 2nd one. The first build has a DDR4 motherboard, so no problems there. But I want one with DDR5 to get the maximum single thread performance out of the chip. Currently looking at the Asus Z690-I Gaming WIFI and ASRock Z690 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB4.
I have the 13950HX ES version. Negatives: Can't install Windows 11 (says incompatible) Memory controller for DDR4 sucks and SA voltage makes no difference (I think the video of the Chinese supplier ran Gear 2 single rank DDR4 to get 4000MT/s which is deceiving) Positives: Direct die cooling allows for load temps below 70C Cinebench R23 scores over 40,000 (equal to 13900k) Seems to be optimized/binned for low wattage, only seeing 220W in Cinebench with a 40,000+ score
What motherboard and cooler are you using? I've just ordered one, and looking forward to tinkering with it. I have an MSI Z790 Tomahawk DDR4 on the way too. It'll be interesting to see if I can get 4 DIMMs working in it.
I just ordered the 13950hx. You mentioned that the ddr4 sucks. Could you elaborate it a bit more? Is it able to run 4 ddr4 dimms? I plan to install 4x32GB 3200mhz memory.
A lot of good information here, but let's be honest, as much as I do not like agreeing with Linus, it's not a 12900K, regardless of board or settings. These 12900HX dies may or may not be able to handle the additional wattage a 12900K is tested to spec. It's a gamble, even more so with engineering samples. Better values at this price point, maybe don't go this route unless you just like to tinker.
@@joshramirez5278 think not because its lower clocked but 7500f costs less and why tgey compare it with 7500f only!?why not with 12600k or 12700k too!?if its better then 7500f then its better then this ones too
Remember, they say that they want to test out of the seller perf, not tuned up perf, though I want them to show the before and after tuned perf comparisons
Woke does not mean outlandish liberalism. It has been taken out of context to control a narrative about blacks who coined the phrase. It means to be aware and vigilant of the systematic tyranny against black people. Attached are LGBTQ+ and every fringe group not having anything to do with us or our plight. It is a mechanism that once you draw ire against them, you do so against us as well. Sheeple. Funny thing is, you are probably a target as well.
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What do you think, worth it to replace your i5-12400?
i don't think it's worth it to upgrade in the same generation in general.
No because you can buy a 12700KF.
Upgrade? No but if you're like me and your workflow requires fast single core performance then GPU power to render or if you're playing games, this is actually a compelling option to save a few bucks. Find and open box or refurb mini ITX z690 for $130 and go ham.
I'm considering this route for a new build since my 12700k/4070 live at work and I want a desktop at home.
Thanks for sharing!
I was loking for a good review on this chip, marvelous job Sir. Cheers from Brazil. ❤
Thank you for the video.
Great video :) These types of curiosity videos really need English streams when doing mega-hardware tests/benchmarking etc. Would love to watch such content here if you have time :)
Fist time you pop out in my feed, and watched the whole video. Good to know this things can overclock, it has defenetly a lot of value, some quircks arround it, but if you're savvy i think its a great CPU. Greatly explained too, good job man!
I bought and experimented with one of these quite a few months ago... your video pretty much sums up exactly what I found. Tested it in a MSI MEG Z690i Unify (one of the best DDR5 boards, as far as memory clocks). Pretty much hit a hard wall at 6000MT C34; possibly could squeeze it to 6200MT if I wanted to loosen the timings and fiddle with it a lot longer. In contrast, 12900KS and 13900K can do 7200MT C34 with the same memory modules/motherboard (ie. the limit of this 6000MT C40 kit).
As far as "all-core" clocks... it can more or less do what a standard 12900K can do - it was happy enough to do 5.2 boost (ie. 1-2 cores), and 4.8-4.9g all-core frequency for the p-cores, and about 3.7g all-core frequency for the e-cores. E-cores really didn't like going above 3.7g. Oh, but if you try this with the factory IHS and PTM7950 material, it definitely throttles. I then de-lidded it and installed the customised contact frame (sold separately)... using a Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet (graphene sheet), CPU ran quite a bit cooler - enough that it can maintain the 4.8-4.9g p-core and 3.7g e-core boost clocks during CB R23 for 10 minutes without throttling. This was all done with a 240mm AIO.
All in all, they're not bad CPUs for the money - but people need to temper their expectations on the achievable memory speeds and overclocks. You can basically view them as a "stock" 12900K in terms of OC potential, with a worse-than-average IMC.
Got my 13850HX ES, but what I ordered and expected, first time Aliexpress customer, was a 13950HX. Chose the direct die with custom frame and Kapton tape. Having the recommended Asus Z690-I but occupied by a 13900K, I chose the Asrock Phantom Gaming Z690 ITX/TB4. Worked out of the box with 32GB, XMP enabled 6000MHz RAM. Funny thing, XMP no longer worked for the BIOS update with the latest microcode. Another weird one, during the video driver installation, one of my Displayport connected monitors began to cycle red, green, blue, black, and white! It persisted even at the turn on of the computer. How could a driver affect anything before the OS?! Swapping cables fixed it; although, some even advertised and shorter higher quality cables did not work. HDMI was unaffected. Anyway, I'd like the get XMP working on the latest BIOS update and microcode, OCD. Anyway, I plan to use it as the processor for a very small all NVME NAS using bifurcation to add 10GB ethernet and a total of six additional NVME drives in a 5L Midori case on the way as of this posting. I have new and sealed i9 Extreme Dragon Canyon that this will hopefully be replacing. Anyway, limited to 55W PL1 and PL2, it still curb stomps my 11900KF in R23 at such low clock speeds. Planning to set the BIOS profiles for NAS and standard desktop and maybe another or two scenarios, this could be my ultimate SFF computational toolkit with say a just received XProto Mini and another cooling soulution. Coming from EVGA Dark/Kingpin and Asus Gaming motherboards in Z590 and Z690 chipset genres, the intricacies of the ASrock motherboard present somewhat of a learning curve and frustration (just started my pc overclocking and tuning experience). Just at 9:31, I plan to gain insight. Out of the box with an air cooler after a seat of the pants trial, I attained greater than 26000 on R23. Having changed back to a previous BIOS, I have got to try it all over. I will have learned to at least download or note the previous BIOS version and set profiles, as I am making an educated guess into the previous BIOS version which worked extremely well.
Thanks in advance for the info and testing. Now, onto the rest of the video.
Thanks for sharing! Have you tried manually setting ram timings?
I want to see if I could do low latency tests on the 13980HX
@BBWahoo No, I haven't. I even tried one stick at a time. It was suggested in another video to manually set timings also. I have yet to play with those settings.
Another Z690-I will be here if all goes well tomorrow. I may check and see if the motherboard choice clears it up for sake of curiosity. Because of the Midori case, the Asus will not fit; however, I will be trying it out the hx. Since the 13850hx-es will be used in a NAS setup, super fast RAM will not be needed. I will probably purchase 32 or 16GB at 5200MT/s, whatever is cheap, reliable, no RGB, and low profile. I know for a NAS that is overkill; however, it may find its way in other niche or portable applications.
@BBWahoo P.S. The FIVR menu is conspicuously missing from The AsRock TB4 UEFI. I am hoping all the options are present on the Asus board. For a 12600k, I noticed options for AVX-512! I might have one of the earlier chips with that capability (e cores disabled). It will be fun to find out.
@@squirrel6687
Very cool, do let me know if your 13850HX also supports AVX512!
I will try DDR4 timings, as those are more compatible I hear, and timings might be easier for a higher end chip
@@BBWahoo will do!
My 12900hx just arrived today I so happened to buy it a few days/weeks ago. It's GOOD 4.9 ALL CORE at -.185 Volts on all cores. Using a B660 Gigabyte motherboard(The same on show in your video btw lol) (Also there has been CPUs like this for year i9 9980hk and Gigabyte had been the best for compatibility historically speaking I don't know if this still holds up but it hasn't been test enough to say) long story short it can do 5.2 all core if you using the direct die adapter witch is usually about $20 on AliExpress. Always undervolt these cpus it'll pay of like -20c
I'm using DDR4 3200 CL16 Bbtw
5.2 all core with direct die adapter - do you mean 12900hx or your 9980hk (srfd0, I suppose)?
@@Александр_Александров 12900hx can do 5.2 all core, the i9 9980hk was what I was thinking about but I don't think it could do 5.2 all core maybe but I've never tried it myself so
2 or 4 sticks? Motherboard?
@@RMabudabi 4 slots are present in the motherboard, I'm using them 2 sticks in slots 2 & 4.
What aio are you using for direct die? Isnt the EK-nucleus direct die one the only comptible?
All this stuff about the 13th and 14th generations has made me hold my head high with my 12700!
Yeah, 12th gen adopters struck gold. It's unfortunate for those who bought the 13th and 14th, I mean I know not all batches are affected but still. It's still playing with lottery.
Cool video, saved for later bed time.
God job!
Looks like a good option and not 13th/14th gen 💀 ☠️
If an H610 motherboard is the only option, can you downclock it to lower power?
The memory controller for the whole lot of lga 1700 chips isnt finished.
can you please review MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI
Hello, i boight this cpu and paired it with a z790 asus strix a gaming wifi motherboard. Problem, I cant unlock the 55w TDP. Already changed Long duration package power limit to 125w in bios, but IT DIDNT WORK... please HELP 😢😢😢
Use intel XTU
Hey man please tell me the igpu uhd770 in 12900hx engineering sample work or it’s disable because I will sell my 12100F and rx580 to buy it :)
It works, but I did not test the performance
the magic probably starts with HT off and clock it higher
Keep up the good work , i vote for English content !!
Hi my friend so use this Quick CPU.
Great video! I was intrigued by this video so much that now I want to buy this cpu and while searching found the 13th gen 13950hx.
Do you know if 13950hx supports 4 ddr4 slot motherboards?
Could you put some link to your native language channel? Will be happy to follow you there.
Hi. Same motherboard limitations should apply to 13 gen, but I have not tested it yet. There will be a video about it later.
youtube.com/@artyomexplains
@@ArtyomExplainsEng thank you for the reply. Subed both your channels. Will be looking forward forward to the new video.
BTW do you know if there is any memory size limit? Like if I can use 4x32GB?
Honestly i'm half tempted to buy this cpu given how unique it is that and emulation wise i bet this be a good bang for your buck emulation cpu once you get the right overclock going given i do have a gigabyte z690 aurous sitting in storage collecting dust so using this cpu would give it a nice home at least.
I have 2 i7-13850HX. Still have no idea what motherboard to get for the 2nd one.
The first build has a DDR4 motherboard, so no problems there.
But I want one with DDR5 to get the maximum single thread performance out of the chip.
Currently looking at the Asus Z690-I Gaming WIFI and ASRock Z690 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB4.
Can it run 4 DDR4 ram sticks bro?
b760 AND Z790 will be more compatible for ddr5 (choose motherboard with only 2 ram slots)
So also on my dual dimms ddr4 itx motherboard from Asrock the sa voltage will not be blocked? Or is it only a ddr5 motherboards thing?
SA is blocked on the CPU level, it will be ignored on any motherboard
Have you tried APO?
Anyone knows if the Asrock B660M-PRO RS will perform good for this cpu (not the 100% potencial but at least 75%?)
Ddr4 version will do ok, D5 will not work properly.
@@ArtyomExplainsEngand between asrock B660m pro rs, astock B660m-HDV and gigabyte B760M-H?
I can’t really decide 🙏🏻
@@ArtyomExplainsEngeven if it has 4 slots of ram?
Pro rs is the best one. 4-dimm only ddr4 versions.
@@ArtyomExplainsEngthanks!!
I have the 13950HX ES version.
Negatives:
Can't install Windows 11 (says incompatible)
Memory controller for DDR4 sucks and SA voltage makes no difference (I think the video of the Chinese supplier ran Gear 2 single rank DDR4 to get 4000MT/s which is deceiving)
Positives:
Direct die cooling allows for load temps below 70C
Cinebench R23 scores over 40,000 (equal to 13900k)
Seems to be optimized/binned for low wattage, only seeing 220W in Cinebench with a 40,000+ score
bro, did your TPM in motherboard work?
im using 10980HK with Z370 but TPM in mobo suck, cant enable with this cpu.
Which motherboard?
btw You could install Win11 on drive, then swap it to 13950HX system,
Win11 can run without TPM(i disabled it in bios)
What motherboard and cooler are you using? I've just ordered one, and looking forward to tinkering with it. I have an MSI Z790 Tomahawk DDR4 on the way too. It'll be interesting to see if I can get 4 DIMMs working in it.
Do you know if it supports ddr5?
I just ordered the 13950hx.
You mentioned that the ddr4 sucks. Could you elaborate it a bit more?
Is it able to run 4 ddr4 dimms?
I plan to install 4x32GB 3200mhz memory.
Will this last a long time (5 years or so, with a slight oc if possible?)
I have their older versions (9/10/11th gen) in a few different builds and they are still working fine after 3-4 years now.
There is a newer version that is direct die
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A lot of good information here, but let's be honest, as much as I do not like agreeing with Linus, it's not a 12900K, regardless of board or settings. These 12900HX dies may or may not be able to handle the additional wattage a 12900K is tested to spec. It's a gamble, even more so with engineering samples. Better values at this price point, maybe don't go this route unless you just like to tinker.
Ой у меня настройки языка сбились, капец😮
Ok
I think the 12900hx is more powerful than the 7500f
in productivity
@@Mr11ESSE111 In games too
Or you can get cheap mobo and a 7900x3d which is on sale all the time.
@@joshramirez5278 think not because its lower clocked but 7500f costs less and why tgey compare it with 7500f only!?why not with 12600k or 12700k too!?if its better then 7500f then its better then this ones too
@@Mr11ESSE111 Look at the benchmark and the fps that the 12900hx gets is 25,000 points higher in Cinebench vs 19,000 points of the 7500f
Damn, Linus and his team have gone full woke nut job.
well they dont know this cpu but ye not the best research
Remember, they say that they want to test out of the seller perf, not tuned up perf, though I want them to show the before and after tuned perf comparisons
Woke does not mean outlandish liberalism. It has been taken out of context to control a narrative about blacks who coined the phrase. It means to be aware and vigilant of the systematic tyranny against black people. Attached are LGBTQ+ and every fringe group not having anything to do with us or our plight. It is a mechanism that once you draw ire against them, you do so against us as well. Sheeple. Funny thing is, you are probably a target as well.