The theology of Alton is the exact reason why I left Protestantism and embraced the Catholic and apostolic church, this brother Altons pride and arrogance was on full display.
Protestantism appeals to the EGO, as it was founded on man's ego. For that same reason, it immediately split into THREE and has been shattering itself to pieces ever since.
@@VirginMostPowerfull There is no True Presence, no devotions, virtually no liturgical seasons, no sacraments...almost nothing left. The Gospel has been eviscerated. If this is not the "other gospel" Paul warned of in Galatians 1:8, I do not know what is.
William is not just a Master at defending the Faith but does so with a warm charitable spirit that comes from a humble heart! What a Beast, the Lord TRULY works through you William!
This is just more of the frustrating headache of talking to protestants... But thank you for the work of exposing this absolute circus that is the protestant "teachings"
As a Roman Catholic (Previously Oneness Pentecostal) I really like this Alton Johnson Guy. Really good spirit, and very honest about what he does and doesn't know.
Accusing Mary of sinning because of the symbolic sin Offering is like accusing Jesus of sinning because he partook in water baptism, which was symbolic for remission of sin. Protestants should do better
Respect Sir for defending the Sacred Dogmas of our One and True Apostolic Catholic Church! Blessed beyond measure for the privilege of partaking of the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist during Mass! 🙏✝️🕊️📿👏❤️
As a former Protestant, I can sympathize. To make a long story short, i was raised methodist, left the church, studied taoism, then one day i became convinced of gods existence. The main reason i left was because i couldnt reconcile the church’s teachings with the bible and so i assumed it was just a cherry picker theology. I thought a true christian should follow the whole bible and every denomination comes from private interpretations. Therefore everyone’s interpretations are wrong somewhere and likely right somewhere and its up to us to be a theological jackal to get to the truth. Its ok if we fail as long as we honestly try to harmonize scripture, were good. When i started to believe in god again i asked a baptist friend of mine how she picks and chooses what to believe in scripture. She said well i believe all of it! I started attending her church and quickly realized they had the same issues as the methodist church. I even started studying with the Jehovah’s witnesses. Then I saw James White vs Greg Stafford and became interested in Calvinism. I decided to just attend the methodist church i was baptized in while i studied. 10 years go by and i realized no churches really have the full truth. At least not according to my interpretation….. then it hit me. Who am I supposed to be? I’m supposed to submit to the church not judge which one is right….. the church is supposed to tell me when im wrong not the other way around. I hit my knees in prayer and that night i had a crazy dream about the catholic church. I woke up and thought no way. Absolutely not! I could quote James White on what i believed about the Catholic church. Still i felt humbled and decided to see what Catholics have to say for themselves. I just wanted to see what the catholic perspective was on the reformation. I was shocked, i had only been told the protestant side of that history. Anyway 1 year of study later and i was confirmed Catholic. Looking back, I realize that sola scripture is really just a box that you are trapped inside of. it keeps you from looking at history, It keeps you from looking at tradition, It keeps you from considering what oral tradition is, it diffuses authority, and hides its true master: the individual! Simply put, if it’s up to you to decide what the Bible means to say then you’re the authority. the only way to not be the authority is to abandon Sola scrip after all…. Scripture tells you the church is infallible. Protestants can interpret scripture anyway they want except when it comes to the church. If you truly applied sola scriptura, you’d abandon it as soon as you hit passages about the church being the pillar of the truth, the gates shall not prevail, and if he will not listen to the church, submit to your elders….. on and on. They have to reinterpret all these passages from their plain meaning or supplement the teaching with other verses against tradition as license to ignore the passages they dont like.
I too left the Protestant church for this exact reason you become your own pope and interpretor. The Commonitory - St. Vincent of Lérins (d. c.450) said it best But here someone perhaps will ask, “Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church’s interpretation?” For this reason - because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters. For Novatian expounds it one way, Sabellius another, Donatus another, Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, another, Photinus, Apollinaris, Priscillian, another, Iovinian, Pelagius, Celestius, another, lastly, Nestorius another. Therefore, it is very necessary, on account of so great intricacies of such various error, that the rule for the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed in accordance with the standard of Ecclesiastical and Catholic interpretation.. Alton you need humbling your pride was on full display.
I love anything concerning Mary from You. This was probably more of a 1 on 1 class rather than a debate but we can learn and relearn even if (and sometimes especially if) the questions seem obvious/basic. Thank You both 🤍💙
The purification offering is for a woman who has received seed and bore a male son. Is Alton claiming that the seed of the Holy Spirit and bearing Jesus rendered her unclean? Cause that's what his position entails. I don't know how he can't see it.
Interesting that denying dogmas of the Faith tend to land one in some quite heretical and absurd places, that is, of course if they follow the train of thought to its logical conclusion.
Wow William, when you brought up the time machine stuff and asked him, "Where would you go?" You can see a brief moment of crisis flash on his face. Good job in the debate Brother. God Bless.
As a Protestant working through the doctrines of the RC church one thing I see over and over is the sheer ignorance of the church Fathers by Protestants. When I hear Alton I hear a guy woefully unaware of textual criticism. 150AD isn’t late. What the heck. If you say Proto Evangelium to a Protestant very few will have any idea of what you’re talking about. No idea why Alton is even in a debate. I started studying Catholic doctrine because I had such an incomplete picture of it. You cannot argue for or against a doctrine you have almost no understanding of. So I’m studying it myself until I know it like someone who was raised catholic and actually studied the fathers etc. Another reason I started looking around is my hatred of the stupid Pentecostal doctrine of OSAS and the fact that churches do next to nothing in scripture. In most non denom churches and in many Pentecostal churches communion is given sparingly. There’s no real schedule. There’s no real purpose for the Advent. There’s no confession and absolution. If you wanna freak out a Protestant tell them the father can remit and retain sins!! That’s like showing Dracula the cross. Hopefully by January or February I will be learned enough and ready to join the RC church. That’s the plan anyways.
I totally feel you. I had a lot of "Protestant-infused" beliefs when I started seriously studying Christianity. I came from no specific Church, and was "spiritual but not religious" (if anything at all). What brought me to the Catholic Church though was the same general idea that you mentioned, so I wanted to tell you about it. I became quickly aware I would be Christian (I was studying a few different religions at the time), but what led me to the Catholic Church specifically was a moment when I recognized all these "Protestant-infused" rebuttals that kept coming up as I looked into certain topics, and at some point I thought to myself "Well if I'm being sincere, I don't really know the Catholic teachings, but I keep jumping to these counter-arguments against it... maybe I should actually study what it is they teach first. If I'm still opposed then, then fine. I'd have given it a fair shake and can move on at that point." Fast forward a year or two and I found my home in the Catholic Church. Can't say I expected it, lol. As a matter of fact, if you would have told me this was going to happen 5 years ago, I probably would have laughed. Anyhow, God bless you bro. May the Holy Spirit continue to teach and convict you (and me).
Come home brother. You're the only self proclaimed protestant I've witnessed that acknowledges those few points you made. I agree. I was a rogue pope of my own oppressed by satan blinded by my pride arrogance and retaliation mindset. I was very lost. In the trenches gang affiliated did 10 yrs behind bars. The Lord Jesus Christ saved me and guided me to RCC. I was scared to confess and repent and scared to walk into any church. I was anti Catholic anti Jew sadly, and it's hard for me to admit. I started studying 1yr ago and have dedicated 3-5 hrs per day studying and praying throughout the day asking for God to guide me to his Church. I contacted the Catholic Church down the street and started OCIA(RCIA) best thing I have ever done is consent to the Lord and his Church. I'm unfortunately covered head to toe in tats from my past. I quit getting tats yrs ago, but didn't think the Church would even let me inside. Everyone has been so kind and helpful. I've learned so much and have grown so much. Glory to God. Theotokos has been an inspiration for me to have obedience, aswell as all the saints.
Sadly, if you are actually studying the doctrines of the Catholic Church you will no doubt know them better than most people who are raised Catholic. I know because I was one of the "X years of Catholic school" guys until I got challenged on some of the doctrines while attending a non-denominational church. I wanted to know who was right, because most of my family is still Catholic. Turns out when I look at the actual beliefs and teachings of the Church they are rock-solid and undeniable. My reversion to Catholicism has been rough for many reasons, but the truth of the Church is undeniable imo
@ it certainly seems that way. I was brought up southern Baptist and then went full non denom and Pentecostal. Church fathers are never talked about. Sola scriptura is never actually taught it’s just stated that’s what is believed. I don’t think there would be a reformed church if people honestly studied the church fathers and the anti nicene period.
The pride and arrogance it takes to walk up to another grown man to correct his error without even the slightest familiarity with the evidence for why he believes what he believes is the height of arrogance, the height of judgement, Pride etc. He would take offense to this characterization and deny this but his actions spoke louder than these words; He assumed William to be a blind idiot, a zealot with no sound evidence for his faith. You don’t walk in that unprepared unless you’re assuming the absolute worst in your opponents intellect, integrity and regard for the truth. I hope this man realizes how his hatred for the Catholic Faith made him blind, and if he’s honest, that in and of itself should shatter his worldview and shine a light on his hatred for the martyrs who held to these doctrines that he’d sooner be in league with antichrists like Arius than share in the faith of the holy Martyrs. This was a beautiful testament to the truth and an exposing of the god complex and self aggrandizing protestantism leads to. God bless you brother William. I will pray for this man and for the Holy Spirit to enable him to see.
I am glad we finally got them to admit that by denying Mary’s dogma, they are essentially embracing a form of Arianism. Fantastic performance as always William ❤️
All throughout the discussion on on Jesus's brothers and sisters, the only point to note is the inability of Americans and Europeans to understand familial relations in other cultures. I'm Indian and if you call my father's sister's son a cousin you will be punched in the face, he is my brother. Ofcourse we know the proper word would be cousin, but that's not how we refer to our first cousin. It would be an insult to do so. We grew up in the same house, we were fed the same food, fought like any biological brothers would.
Leviticus 12 deals with purification rituals after childbirth, not an atonement for moral sin. The text refers to the ceremonial purification of a woman who gave birth, and the ritual is more related to ritual impurity than to atonement for moral sin. Context of Leviticus 12 Leviticus 12 describes the steps a woman should follow after giving birth, depending on the sex of the child. The purification due to childbirth was a ceremonial matter, not an atonement for moral sin, which was addressed differently in Scripture. What is in Leviticus 12? The chapter says that: If the woman gave birth to a son (verse 2), she was considered unclean for seven days, and on the eighth day, the child should be circumcised (as a sign of belonging to God's covenant with Israel). After these seven days, she should wait another 33 days for her purification, during which she could not touch anything sacred nor enter the sanctuary. If the child was a daughter (verse 5), the woman was considered unclean for two weeks and should wait another 66 days for her purification. After this period, she should offer a sacrifice, consisting of a lamb for a burnt offering and a pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering. The Purification in Leviticus 12 is Not Related to Moral Sin The purification mentioned in Leviticus 12 is not directly related to moral sin, such as transgressions against the Ten Commandments or moral failings. The impurity mentioned in the text was considered a ritual impurity associated with blood and childbirth, which made the woman in a state of "impurity" not suitable to participate in temple worship or touch sacred things during this period. The purification sacrifice was not an atonement for the woman's personal sins but a ceremonial purification rite. This purification ritual was necessary to restore the woman to full participation in the religious life of Israel after childbirth, which is a common practice in many ancient cultures, where childbirth was seen as an event that could temporarily render a person "impure" according to ritual standards. Atonement for Moral Sin If we are talking about atonement for moral sin, this was dealt with in other types of sacrifices, such as the sin offerings (offerings for transgressions against God's commandments) that were made when someone committed a personal sin, such as dishonoring the Sabbath or committing sins like lying, stealing, or murder. According to Altin interpretation, every woman that gives birth is disobeying God's law!
Great job William! Isn’t it great to be Catholic: to love Jesus and His mother, to have the Eucharist and Sacraments instituted by Jesus Christ Himself and administered by the authority of the priests?!
@@handsdown5x Why wouldn’t I love the mother of my Savior from whom 100% of His human DNA is derived and who was chosen by God to the mother of Jesus Christ? Do you think Jesus would want you to love His mother? “Blessed are you among women” Luke 1:28
In Ghana and among the people of Akans especially the Ashantis, we use one word for biological siblings and cousins unlike the distinctions in English Language
I know many Ethiopians in Australia and I never hear them use the word cousin or in-laws. They call their friends mother mum. It's strange we force Western culture onto scripture. They call my mum their mother and myself as brother.😢
Raymond, am I right in saying that this is also the case in Zimbabwe? That there is no word for cousin in their culture and that they simply refer to cousins as brothers and sisters. I found this doing a quick online search and it mentions this about Zimbabwe, but I don’t know if it’s true or not. But as you say this is the case in Ghana, I’m guessing this is correct about other African countries as well.
@@chrisillsley You are right. I'm from Ghana. Even most female strangers at our mom's age we normally call them moms, the same for fathers too. And if they look a bit older than our parents we call them aunties or uncles. If these strangers are old enough to birth either or both our parents we normally call them grannies. So if I am giving an account about my cousins in my local dialect, I would use brothers and sisters throughout that those in the west might actually think we are biological siblings when indeed we aren't. I will still call my biological brothers and sisters too the same way as I describe my cousins with the exact spellings. We even call children our nieces and nephews when they may not be our relatives.
This was a great back-and-forth debate, I too will be praying for Alton. That he check his ego and refer his interpretive knowledge to the authority of the one true Church! Thx BIG WILL! 🫡💯💪🏼🙏🏼
2:00 on Wiliam and Alton's disagreement on Luke 2 and Leviticus 12 (purification according to law of Moses) - BibleRef, an online Bible resource that is Protestant per its statement of faith, explains this exact verse. It also corroborates William's explanation of this and not Alton's. Clear victor here, but Alton seems like a decent guy. Pray for him.
Pray for Alton - I think he is young in his Apostolic and ancient church knowledge. Its unfortunate that when these old heresies that have been proved demonstrably false 1000s of years ago. People somehow believe they they stumbled on some new information like the DaVinci code 😂. SMH. The devil has no new tricks. The One True Church of the Living God is visible and has no secrets. Praise be Our Lord!!
Alton lost the debate the moment he decided to throw Christ under the bus just to attack the BVM. If your hatred of our mother causes you to deny the sinlessness of our Lord ... you have officially lost the plot.
When David first saw the Ark of the Covenant he lept for joy. When Mary went to visit her cousin Elizabeth, the moment Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the child in her womb lept for joy. Just beautiful.
That whole section on Mark 6:3-4, has to be one of the most frustrating yet hilarious sections of a theological debate I've ever seen. I have no clue whether he was deliberately avoiding the Greek in verse 4 or he just didn't understand the argument, even though it was a very simple argument. Each time william brought up "συγγενεῦσιν", he straight up malfunctioned 😂
Hello William, I found your channel after you destroyed Christian Izquierdo. I really admire your knowledge and the way you defend our catholic faith. God bless you mijo 🙏🏼
Wonderfully done William, this "debate" (more like a barbecue) shows how lacking sola scriptura is. Lets pray for Alton and every other protestant, that they may come home.
The Protoevangelium is, to use a contemporary phrase, "based on a true story." If it was without moral or doctrinal error, it would be in the canon. To get stuck on a single apocryphal writing is to derail progress in the convo.
Sam shamoun is right when he says, "Protestants must un-learn, re-learn, and keep learning seeking fullness of truth." I can see Brother Alton coming to the catholic church. He needs to take the 1st step "un-learn" Et unam, sanctam, cathólicam et apostólicam Ecclésiam. God bless you William 🙏 ❤️
I always find the confidence of these guys amazing they are always so sure that its them that can read the Biblical texts correctly when they can't understand what people speaking their native language say too them
Truthly the Holy Spirit working through our brother( we are not blood related) William , BBQ ,smoke, this terrible arguments . I Hope that Alton, and his fans learn the points from the other side at least. Pray for us Holy Mother of God.
The problem with the argument Alton uses about Mary and the offering of sin can be used against him if an atheist or Muslim was debating him. They would say that John the Baptist’s ministry was a baptism for the remission of sins, if Jesus is God and sinless why is he baptised by John? If you’re going to be consistent in any argument you can’t use it in one place (the purification in the temple) and not apply the same argument in another (baptism of Jesus). The other problem is that they had to undergo the purification ritual because what people also forget is that directly tied to it is the ritual of circumcision for the new born male, the sign of the covenant with God. If the Holy Family had not been purified, that would be a scandal in itself but Jesus also not being circumcised would have been another. If you check the Jewish Encyclopedia about circumcision the penalty of non-observance being "karet," excision from the people, the JE also says “it was "a reproach" for the Israelite to be uncircumcised”.
Alton kept saying, ‘You’re shocked because we’re reading the Bible.’ This is so frustrating when Protestants are so arrogant to assume they are the only ones who read the Bible. He was so busted the entire time and William demonstrated greater command of scripture, history, Greek, English, Latin, church history. Alton just keeps repeating the same arguments almost as if he has a gotcha. I hate to say this but I think Alton is just unintelligent.
I have been taught, by Fr. Mitch Pacwa and others that women of childbearing age were ritually impure each month. Thus, they had to make a "sin offering" under the Mosaic Law, in order to be ritually pure. Childbirth lead to "an issue of blood" so naturally all new mothers were bound under the law to offer a sacrifice for their purification. It has nothing to do with moral sin, but only ritual impurity. To twist obedience to the Law of Moses into sin is essentially blasphemous.
The Matt Slick debate was difficult to watch. This was fun, like watching a teacher (William) having a friendly debate with an overconfident but out of his depth student.
Alton didn't just lose this debate. He threw HIMSELF under the bus, off the cliff and then into the ocean... This theology and way of thinking is precisely why I left protestantism and am now entering the Eastern Orthodox Church. Praise God!
Never understood this. They’ll throw the reformers under the bus along with the Greek fathers. I’ve had a Protestant tell me he had a better understanding of Greek than they. Pride really is a hell of a drug
William, I’m surprised Alton cannot understand the grammatical logic in the scriptures you set forth it unfortunate he doesn’t see this. Unbelievable really, this gives me even greater defence in defending Our Lady in conversation with my Protestant sister she makes the same arguments. Thank you William from the bottom of my heart. God bless brother hopefully Alton will come around to the truth.
The fact that Alton keeps saying that it has to mean blood brother, and you two called each brother in record numbers during this debate is absolutely hilarious 😂 😂😂
Look at it in the original greek and adelphos is all over the place, exactly as we use "brother" nowadays. As long as man has been on earth, "brother from another mother" has been a concept And considering jewish culture _does_ acknowledge cousins and even nephews as "brothers," it is straight up bizarre to think we somehow understand adelphos better than even the Greek Orthodox that teach the exact same thing regarding how to understand Jesus's "brothers."
If Alton is honest about being open to tradition, and earnestly studies, it shouldn't be long before he converts to one of the Apostolic Faiths. Whether Catholic or Orthodox.
This i what Protestants do, to defend their unbiblical traditions accuse Jesus Christ for being a sinner. I wanted to quote the baptism of repentance which Jesus took not because He needed to.
Alton claims his interpretations ALONE are infallible! Ironic! Alton seems like a nice guy, but William absolutely destroyed Alton's alleged infallible interpretations! Alton is not Biblical at all, but he is entertaining! Praying for his conversion! Wrong move to go up against William Albrecht in a Biblical debate! Keep up the GOD work William! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
lett Alton Johnson answer the question himself "name the persons for who was the sinoffering David writes in Psalm 51, “I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.” Whas Jesus born in iniquity Alton ??
Alton makes a statement gets pressed on it and when he doesn’t have an answer, he claims William is gaslighting. All he has to do is be honest and humble concede the point. This is narcissistic behavior at its finest. Absolutely disgusting.
Unbelievable. The customs followed under the Jewish law had to be followed. Firstly, so that the law would be fulfilled, of which Jesus spoke of. Secondly, so that the hiddenness of Christ from satan would allow him to enter into His “hour”. Did not Christ receive baptism from John, right before he entered into the wilderness? So did Jesus need to repent and be baptized to be saved as well? This is the logic followed from Leviticus 12.
I left the Catholic Church for this exact reason the arrogance the twisting of scripture, the diversion from the point and the worship of one's religion rather than the Lord Jesus Christ
Please reply to this William im a huge fan rq question will you be debating jay dyer currently im catholic but the debate between you two, this debate will determine wether to stay or convert to EO.
Alton also states that you DO NOT HAVE TO go by HIS INTERPRETATION of Scripture. Then by what authority can he actually go out and preach? Where would be the truth in what he interprets if we do not have to go by it?
@36:28 "Quote it for me." At this point I knew it was over for Alton's argument. I'm a black/native southerner (USA), I have cousins that aren't related to me, and actual cousins that I call my brothers and sisters. I come from a large family and we all grew up together. The culture of calling cousins siblings exists in the US. This brother is tripping! 🤷♂ Private interpretation in Protestant churches is what led me to the Catholic Church. The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth! [1 Timothy 3:15]. My question was what church, and now I'm becoming Catholic at Easter Vigil.
I'm from Ghana. Even most female strangers at our mom's age we normally call them moms, the same for fathers too. And if they look a bit older than our parents we call them aunties or uncles. If these strangers are old enough to birth either or both our parents we normally call them grannies. So if I am giving an account about my cousins in my local dialect, I would use brothers and sisters throughout, that those in the west might actually think we are biological siblings when indeed we aren't. I will still call my biological brothers and sisters too the same way as I describe my cousins with the exact spellings. We even call children our nieces and nephews when they may not be our relatives. My biological siblings are called "me nua" in my language My cousins are called "me nua" My biological mother is referred to as "me maame" Each of my mother's sisters is called "me maame" My mother's brother is my uncle not my father's brothers My biological father is called " me papa" Each of my father's brothers is called "me papa" My father's sisters are my aunties and not my mother's sisters. Our culture and that of the Jews are very similar in this sense. So the fact that James and the rest were called brothers and sisters to Christ doesn't mean they are biological siblings. In fact it will shock you that they were not even actual family in the first place regardless them living in the same household which is common in most African households where strangers we have lived with for years automatically become family that marrying their children to some extent might be considered a taboo. In Ghana we can even describe our family friends, bosses at work, and even strangers as mothers, fathers, aunties, uncles, brothers, or sisters. And the spellings of these are the same as what we refer to our biological siblings and parents and other relatives.
Alton has poor understanding of greek literature and pulls a “im reading it from the bible” he should know that the translation of the greek to english isnt always what it seems depending on the context just as william argued but clearly doesn’t understand
It was hard watching this debate seeing how prideful alton really is, he can’t admit to being wrong and laughs it off this is exactly why interpretation of scripture requires the church not of your own it is very dangerous
William going to the reformers was too show how the reformers viewed the doctrines of mary and how scholarly they are in bible literature and its languages which the reformers accepted the doctrines of mary since he claims to be a reformer and alton you aint no scholar i aint too, so take notes humble urself
My God! If his logic is Mary Joseph offered the two doves and pigeons becuase they were sinful or impure. Then by his same logic, Christ was outside the covenent until his circumcusion on the 8th day, literally the first party to the old covenent exited it for 8 days. Also by the same logic, if baptism washes away sins, Then Jesus was sinful until he was baptized. Good Lord protect us from our own human idiocy
I think Alton doesn’t get why we believe in doctrines. We don’t get our doctrines from written sources. We get it from the Apostles, passed down “by word of mouth”. Apocryphal works such as the Protoevangelium of James may affirm certain doctrines, but it isn’t the sole source of the teaching of the Perpetual Virginity.
Sola scriptura is for the Holy Spirit Spirit to lead a true believer and for the True God to separate the true believers and is personal. This way no church can boast about their own denomination.
And that is why we end up with thousands of “churches”. Yet Jesus is clear that we have to listen to the Apostle and their successors (Lk. 10:16) because to them is the promise of the Holy Spirit to guide (Jn.16:13-15) His VISIBLE Church. Not to anyone who reads the Bible. Because then we have “schizophrenic” Holy Spirit!
its always astounding how many people want to just stop reading when they think theyve made their point.. its tempting to just stop on. a verse and think thats the end of a point but if YOU JUST KEEP READING loll
The theology of Alton is the exact reason why I left Protestantism and embraced the Catholic and apostolic church, this brother Altons pride and arrogance was on full display.
Same ❤
I agree 100%.
Protestantism appeals to the EGO, as it was founded on man's ego. For that same reason, it immediately split into THREE and has been shattering itself to pieces ever since.
Ego is big in Protestantism, not very spiritual if you think about it from that perspective.
@@VirginMostPowerfull There is no True Presence, no devotions, virtually no liturgical seasons, no sacraments...almost nothing left. The Gospel has been eviscerated. If this is not the "other gospel" Paul warned of in Galatians 1:8, I do not know what is.
this genuinely confirmed my renouncement of sola scriptura.. wow this was insane
I always see you in the comments lol
@ can you shut up please, sir
William is not just a Master at defending the Faith but does so with a warm charitable spirit that comes from a humble heart! What a Beast, the Lord TRULY works through you William!
Amen 🙏
This was not a debate. It was a well versed Catholic brother schooling a Protestant on the Bible and the Church Fathers.
This is just more of the frustrating headache of talking to protestants... But thank you for the work of exposing this absolute circus that is the protestant "teachings"
As a Roman Catholic (Previously Oneness Pentecostal) I really like this Alton Johnson Guy. Really good spirit, and very honest about what he does and doesn't know.
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Accusing Mary of sinning because of the symbolic sin Offering is like accusing Jesus of sinning because he partook in water baptism, which was symbolic for remission of sin. Protestants should do better
Jesus violated the SABBATH! And who accused Him of sin? The Pharisees. Many sects of Protestantism are very Pharisaic.
@@po18guy-s4s Wow! That’s a good point I hadn’t really considered!
Respect Sir for defending the Sacred Dogmas of our One and True Apostolic Catholic Church! Blessed beyond measure for the privilege of partaking of the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist during Mass! 🙏✝️🕊️📿👏❤️
As a former Protestant, I can sympathize. To make a long story short, i was raised methodist, left the church, studied taoism, then one day i became convinced of gods existence. The main reason i left was because i couldnt reconcile the church’s teachings with the bible and so i assumed it was just a cherry picker theology. I thought a true christian should follow the whole bible and every denomination comes from private interpretations. Therefore everyone’s interpretations are wrong somewhere and likely right somewhere and its up to us to be a theological jackal to get to the truth. Its ok if we fail as long as we honestly try to harmonize scripture, were good.
When i started to believe in god again i asked a baptist friend of mine how she picks and chooses what to believe in scripture. She said well i believe all of it! I started attending her church and quickly realized they had the same issues as the methodist church. I even started studying with the Jehovah’s witnesses. Then I saw James White vs Greg Stafford and became interested in Calvinism. I decided to just attend the methodist church i was baptized in while i studied.
10 years go by and i realized no churches really have the full truth. At least not according to my interpretation….. then it hit me. Who am I supposed to be? I’m supposed to submit to the church not judge which one is right….. the church is supposed to tell me when im wrong not the other way around. I hit my knees in prayer and that night i had a crazy dream about the catholic church.
I woke up and thought no way. Absolutely not! I could quote James White on what i believed about the Catholic church. Still i felt humbled and decided to see what Catholics have to say for themselves. I just wanted to see what the catholic perspective was on the reformation. I was shocked, i had only been told the protestant side of that history. Anyway 1 year of study later and i was confirmed Catholic.
Looking back, I realize that sola scripture is really just a box that you are trapped inside of. it keeps you from looking at history, It keeps you from looking at tradition, It keeps you from considering what oral tradition is, it diffuses authority, and hides its true master: the individual! Simply put, if it’s up to you to decide what the Bible means to say then you’re the authority. the only way to not be the authority is to abandon Sola scrip after all…. Scripture tells you the church is infallible. Protestants can interpret scripture anyway they want except when it comes to the church. If you truly applied sola scriptura, you’d abandon it as soon as you hit passages about the church being the pillar of the truth, the gates shall not prevail, and if he will not listen to the church, submit to your elders….. on and on. They have to reinterpret all these passages from their plain meaning or supplement the teaching with other verses against tradition as license to ignore the passages they dont like.
That was a masterclass by William, the points on Mary's perpetual virginity were very helpful for me. Well done once again, William.
I too left the Protestant church for this exact reason you become your own pope and interpretor. The Commonitory - St. Vincent of Lérins (d. c.450) said it best But here someone perhaps will ask, “Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church’s interpretation?” For this reason - because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters. For Novatian expounds it one way, Sabellius another, Donatus another, Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, another, Photinus, Apollinaris, Priscillian, another, Iovinian, Pelagius, Celestius, another, lastly, Nestorius another. Therefore, it is very necessary, on account of so great intricacies of such various error, that the rule for the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed in accordance with the standard of Ecclesiastical and Catholic interpretation.. Alton you need humbling your pride was on full display.
There is no such thing as bible alone. It is always the bible as expressed through the ego.
@drDrikus oh my! do you hear yourself? How can you even compare. brother do you research before spouting such blasphemy
@@drDrikus Your avatar...I cannot tell if that is a cro-magnon or a Neanderthal. Can you help?
@@jaredmelendez7262 Even a caveman can tell the difference!
@@jaredmelendez7262 yup
I love anything concerning Mary from You. This was probably more of a 1 on 1 class rather than a debate but we can learn and relearn even if (and sometimes especially if) the questions seem obvious/basic. Thank You both 🤍💙
This was BRUTAL....alton goes as far as taking the stance that Christ sinned. That is what sola scriptura gets you.
Based…
that is also what being your own pope in your room gets you
The purification offering is for a woman who has received seed and bore a male son. Is Alton claiming that the seed of the Holy Spirit and bearing Jesus rendered her unclean? Cause that's what his position entails. I don't know how he can't see it.
Interesting that denying dogmas of the Faith tend to land one in some quite heretical and absurd places, that is, of course if they follow the train of thought to its logical conclusion.
It baffled me
Wow William, when you brought up the time machine stuff and asked him, "Where would you go?" You can see a brief moment of crisis flash on his face. Good job in the debate Brother. God Bless.
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As a Protestant working through the doctrines of the RC church one thing I see over and over is the sheer ignorance of the church Fathers by Protestants.
When I hear Alton I hear a guy woefully unaware of textual criticism. 150AD isn’t late. What the heck. If you say Proto Evangelium to a Protestant very few will have any idea of what you’re talking about. No idea why Alton is even in a debate.
I started studying Catholic doctrine because I had such an incomplete picture of it. You cannot argue for or against a doctrine you have almost no understanding of. So I’m studying it myself until I know it like someone who was raised catholic and actually studied the fathers etc.
Another reason I started looking around is my hatred of the stupid Pentecostal doctrine of OSAS and the fact that churches do next to nothing in scripture. In most non denom churches and in many Pentecostal churches communion is given sparingly. There’s no real schedule. There’s no real purpose for the Advent. There’s no confession and absolution. If you wanna freak out a Protestant tell them the father can remit and retain sins!! That’s like showing Dracula the cross. Hopefully by January or February I will be learned enough and ready to join the RC church. That’s the plan anyways.
I totally feel you. I had a lot of "Protestant-infused" beliefs when I started seriously studying Christianity. I came from no specific Church, and was "spiritual but not religious" (if anything at all). What brought me to the Catholic Church though was the same general idea that you mentioned, so I wanted to tell you about it. I became quickly aware I would be Christian (I was studying a few different religions at the time), but what led me to the Catholic Church specifically was a moment when I recognized all these "Protestant-infused" rebuttals that kept coming up as I looked into certain topics, and at some point I thought to myself "Well if I'm being sincere, I don't really know the Catholic teachings, but I keep jumping to these counter-arguments against it... maybe I should actually study what it is they teach first. If I'm still opposed then, then fine. I'd have given it a fair shake and can move on at that point." Fast forward a year or two and I found my home in the Catholic Church. Can't say I expected it, lol. As a matter of fact, if you would have told me this was going to happen 5 years ago, I probably would have laughed. Anyhow, God bless you bro. May the Holy Spirit continue to teach and convict you (and me).
Come home brother. You're the only self proclaimed protestant I've witnessed that acknowledges those few points you made. I agree. I was a rogue pope of my own oppressed by satan blinded by my pride arrogance and retaliation mindset. I was very lost. In the trenches gang affiliated did 10 yrs behind bars. The Lord Jesus Christ saved me and guided me to RCC. I was scared to confess and repent and scared to walk into any church. I was anti Catholic anti Jew sadly, and it's hard for me to admit. I started studying 1yr ago and have dedicated 3-5 hrs per day studying and praying throughout the day asking for God to guide me to his Church. I contacted the Catholic Church down the street and started OCIA(RCIA) best thing I have ever done is consent to the Lord and his Church. I'm unfortunately covered head to toe in tats from my past. I quit getting tats yrs ago, but didn't think the Church would even let me inside. Everyone has been so kind and helpful. I've learned so much and have grown so much. Glory to God. Theotokos has been an inspiration for me to have obedience, aswell as all the saints.
Sadly, if you are actually studying the doctrines of the Catholic Church you will no doubt know them better than most people who are raised Catholic. I know because I was one of the "X years of Catholic school" guys until I got challenged on some of the doctrines while attending a non-denominational church. I wanted to know who was right, because most of my family is still Catholic. Turns out when I look at the actual beliefs and teachings of the Church they are rock-solid and undeniable. My reversion to Catholicism has been rough for many reasons, but the truth of the Church is undeniable imo
@ it certainly seems that way. I was brought up southern Baptist and then went full non denom and Pentecostal. Church fathers are never talked about. Sola scriptura is never actually taught it’s just stated that’s what is believed. I don’t think there would be a reformed church if people honestly studied the church fathers and the anti nicene period.
I doubt Protestantism can possibly defend removing books from the bible it's just sad
The pride and arrogance it takes to walk up to another grown man to correct his error without even the slightest familiarity with the evidence for why he believes what he believes is the height of arrogance, the height of judgement, Pride etc. He would take offense to this characterization and deny this but his actions spoke louder than these words; He assumed William to be a blind idiot, a zealot with no sound evidence for his faith. You don’t walk in that unprepared unless you’re assuming the absolute worst in your opponents intellect, integrity and regard for the truth.
I hope this man realizes how his hatred for the Catholic Faith made him blind, and if he’s honest, that in and of itself should shatter his worldview and shine a light on his hatred for the martyrs who held to these doctrines that he’d sooner be in league with antichrists like Arius than share in the faith of the holy Martyrs.
This was a beautiful testament to the truth and an exposing of the god complex and self aggrandizing protestantism leads to. God bless you brother William. I will pray for this man and for the Holy Spirit to enable him to see.
I am glad we finally got them to admit that by denying Mary’s dogma, they are essentially embracing a form of Arianism. Fantastic performance as always William ❤️
How dare Alton say that 150 AD is late compared to 2nd-4th century when his canon he selectively chooses is 5-6th century? Idiocy.
All throughout the discussion on on Jesus's brothers and sisters, the only point to note is the inability of Americans and Europeans to understand familial relations in other cultures. I'm Indian and if you call my father's sister's son a cousin you will be punched in the face, he is my brother. Ofcourse we know the proper word would be cousin, but that's not how we refer to our first cousin. It would be an insult to do so. We grew up in the same house, we were fed the same food, fought like any biological brothers would.
He is his own authority. You got to be a certain kind person to regard yourself higher than 2000 years of church history.
Leviticus 12 deals with purification rituals after childbirth, not an atonement for moral sin.
The text refers to the ceremonial purification of a woman who gave birth, and the ritual is more related to ritual impurity than to atonement for moral sin.
Context of Leviticus 12
Leviticus 12 describes the steps a woman should follow after giving birth, depending on the sex of the child. The purification due to childbirth was a ceremonial matter, not an atonement for moral sin, which was addressed differently in Scripture.
What is in Leviticus 12?
The chapter says that:
If the woman gave birth to a son (verse 2), she was considered unclean for seven days, and on the eighth day, the child should be circumcised (as a sign of belonging to God's covenant with Israel).
After these seven days, she should wait another 33 days for her purification, during which she could not touch anything sacred nor enter the sanctuary.
If the child was a daughter (verse 5), the woman was considered unclean for two weeks and should wait another 66 days for her purification.
After this period, she should offer a sacrifice, consisting of a lamb for a burnt offering and a pigeon or a turtledove for a sin offering.
The Purification in Leviticus 12 is Not Related to Moral Sin
The purification mentioned in Leviticus 12 is not directly related to moral sin, such as transgressions against the Ten Commandments or moral failings.
The impurity mentioned in the text was considered a ritual impurity associated with blood and childbirth, which made the woman in a state of "impurity" not suitable to participate in temple worship or touch sacred things during this period.
The purification sacrifice was not an atonement for the woman's personal sins but a ceremonial purification rite.
This purification ritual was necessary to restore the woman to full participation in the religious life of Israel after childbirth, which is a common practice in many ancient cultures, where childbirth was seen as an event that could temporarily render a person "impure" according to ritual standards.
Atonement for Moral Sin
If we are talking about atonement for moral sin, this was dealt with in other types of sacrifices, such as the sin offerings (offerings for transgressions against God's commandments) that were made when someone committed a personal sin, such as dishonoring the Sabbath or committing sins like lying, stealing, or murder.
According to Altin interpretation, every woman that gives birth is disobeying God's law!
he so confused about term "unclean" and "sin"
The part about "where would you go to church in the 4th century?" Was great! I know where I'd be, I'm going to Mass, I'm hanging out with the fathers.
Amazing work as usual William 👏👏👏
Thanks!
Great job William! Isn’t it great to be Catholic: to love Jesus and His mother, to have the Eucharist and Sacraments instituted by Jesus Christ Himself and administered by the authority of the priests?!
Why love Jesus mother ? Is it a command in the Bible ? I’m just looking for answers
@@handsdown5x Why wouldn’t I love the mother of my Savior from whom 100% of His human DNA is derived and who was chosen by God to the mother of Jesus Christ? Do you think Jesus would want you to love His mother? “Blessed are you among women” Luke 1:28
Great job defending the true faith 🇻🇦♥️
In Ghana and among the people of Akans especially the Ashantis, we use one word for biological siblings and cousins unlike the distinctions in English Language
I know many Ethiopians in Australia and I never hear them use the word cousin or in-laws. They call their friends mother mum. It's strange we force Western culture onto scripture. They call my mum their mother and myself as brother.😢
Raymond, am I right in saying that this is also the case in Zimbabwe? That there is no word for cousin in their culture and that they simply refer to cousins as brothers and sisters. I found this doing a quick online search and it mentions this about Zimbabwe, but I don’t know if it’s true or not. But as you say this is the case in Ghana, I’m guessing this is correct about other African countries as well.
@@chrisillsley You are right. I'm from Ghana. Even most female strangers at our mom's age we normally call them moms, the same for fathers too. And if they look a bit older than our parents we call them aunties or uncles. If these strangers are old enough to birth either or both our parents we normally call them grannies. So if I am giving an account about my cousins in my local dialect, I would use brothers and sisters throughout that those in the west might actually think we are biological siblings when indeed we aren't. I will still call my biological brothers and sisters too the same way as I describe my cousins with the exact spellings. We even call children our nieces and nephews when they may not be our relatives.
@@RaymondDankwa-h9jThanks for the reply brother.
@@RaymondDankwa-h9j Thanks for the reply brother.
This was a great back-and-forth debate, I too will be praying for Alton. That he check his ego and refer his interpretive knowledge to the authority of the one true Church! Thx BIG WILL! 🫡💯💪🏼🙏🏼
Wonderful debate, learned a lot in this. Well done William!
Protestantism theology with some ppl is all over the place. Its like a buffet of pick and choose what you like and dont like.
2:00 on Wiliam and Alton's disagreement on Luke 2 and Leviticus 12 (purification according to law of Moses) - BibleRef, an online Bible resource that is Protestant per its statement of faith, explains this exact verse.
It also corroborates William's explanation of this and not Alton's.
Clear victor here, but Alton seems like a decent guy. Pray for him.
Pray for Alton - I think he is young in his Apostolic and ancient church knowledge.
Its unfortunate that when these old heresies that have been proved demonstrably false 1000s of years ago. People somehow believe they they stumbled on some new information like the DaVinci code 😂. SMH. The devil has no new tricks. The One True Church of the Living God is visible and has no secrets.
Praise be Our Lord!!
Alton lost the debate the moment he decided to throw Christ under the bus just to attack the BVM. If your hatred of our mother causes you to deny the sinlessness of our Lord ... you have officially lost the plot.
When David first saw the Ark of the Covenant he lept for joy. When Mary went to visit her cousin Elizabeth, the moment Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the child in her womb lept for joy. Just beautiful.
That whole section on Mark 6:3-4, has to be one of the most frustrating yet hilarious sections of a theological debate I've ever seen. I have no clue whether he was deliberately avoiding the Greek in verse 4 or he just didn't understand the argument, even though it was a very simple argument. Each time william brought up "συγγενεῦσιν", he straight up malfunctioned 😂
Hello William, I found your channel after you destroyed Christian Izquierdo. I really admire your knowledge and the way you defend our catholic faith. God bless you mijo 🙏🏼
William cooked him tonight! Great Job!
Wonderfully done William, this "debate" (more like a barbecue) shows how lacking sola scriptura is. Lets pray for Alton and every other protestant, that they may come home.
this is embarrassing, alton is clearly not listening or understanding. pray the veil is lifted
That was wildly entertaining.
The Protoevangelium is, to use a contemporary phrase, "based on a true story." If it was without moral or doctrinal error, it would be in the canon. To get stuck on a single apocryphal writing is to derail progress in the convo.
Sam shamoun is right when he says, "Protestants must un-learn, re-learn, and keep learning seeking fullness of truth."
I can see Brother Alton coming to the catholic church.
He needs to take the 1st step "un-learn"
Et unam, sanctam, cathólicam et apostólicam Ecclésiam.
God bless you William 🙏 ❤️
I always find the confidence of these guys amazing they are always so sure that its them that can read the Biblical texts correctly when they can't understand what people speaking their native language say too them
Damn debate dr gavin ortlund or dr Jordan cooper Alton let us down..
I was going to say Alton doesn’t seem bad, until he brought up a slavery myth. That came from left field
"i live in mariology you're in my world now" one of the best things i've ever heard.
Truthly the Holy Spirit working through our brother( we are not blood related) William , BBQ ,smoke, this terrible arguments . I Hope that Alton, and his fans learn the points from the other side at least. Pray for us Holy Mother of God.
The problem with the argument Alton uses about Mary and the offering of sin can be used against him if an atheist or Muslim was debating him. They would say that John the Baptist’s ministry was a baptism for the remission of sins, if Jesus is God and sinless why is he baptised by John? If you’re going to be consistent in any argument you can’t use it in one place (the purification in the temple) and not apply the same argument in another (baptism of Jesus). The other problem is that they had to undergo the purification ritual because what people also forget is that directly tied to it is the ritual of circumcision for the new born male, the sign of the covenant with God. If the Holy Family had not been purified, that would be a scandal in itself but Jesus also not being circumcised would have been another. If you check the Jewish Encyclopedia about circumcision the penalty of non-observance being "karet," excision from the people, the JE also says “it was "a reproach" for the Israelite to be uncircumcised”.
Alton kept saying, ‘You’re shocked because we’re reading the Bible.’ This is so frustrating when Protestants are so arrogant to assume they are the only ones who read the Bible. He was so busted the entire time and William demonstrated greater command of scripture, history, Greek, English, Latin, church history.
Alton just keeps repeating the same arguments almost as if he has a gotcha. I hate to say this but I think Alton is just unintelligent.
Dude, seriously 🤦🏼 ..the sin offering back and forth was incredibly painful. William is a boss.
Well done brother
I have been taught, by Fr. Mitch Pacwa and others that women of childbearing age were ritually impure each month. Thus, they had to make a "sin offering" under the Mosaic Law, in order to be ritually pure. Childbirth lead to "an issue of blood" so naturally all new mothers were bound under the law to offer a sacrifice for their purification. It has nothing to do with moral sin, but only ritual impurity. To twist obedience to the Law of Moses into sin is essentially blasphemous.
The Matt Slick debate was difficult to watch. This was fun, like watching a teacher (William) having a friendly debate with an overconfident but out of his depth student.
Alton didn't just lose this debate. He threw HIMSELF under the bus, off the cliff and then into the ocean... This theology and way of thinking is precisely why I left protestantism and am now entering the Eastern Orthodox Church. Praise God!
Sola Scriptura is every man for himself. As soon as he rejected the reformers it shows they are their own authority.
Never understood this. They’ll throw the reformers under the bus along with the Greek fathers. I’ve had a Protestant tell me he had a better understanding of Greek than they. Pride really is a hell of a drug
William, I’m surprised Alton cannot understand the grammatical logic in the scriptures you set forth it unfortunate he doesn’t see this. Unbelievable really, this gives me even greater defence in defending Our Lady in conversation with my Protestant sister she makes the same arguments.
Thank you William from the bottom of my heart. God bless brother hopefully Alton will come around to the truth.
Alton's performance was worse than Kelly Powers on this topic. And Kelly Power's performance was very bad.
John didn't to baptized Jesus, But said we must fulfill all righteous, no different than Luke 2:24
scripture was made to be read a Mass, Mass came first what they dont understand.
The fact that Alton keeps saying that it has to mean blood brother, and you two called each brother in record numbers during this debate is absolutely hilarious 😂 😂😂
Look at it in the original greek and adelphos is all over the place, exactly as we use "brother" nowadays. As long as man has been on earth, "brother from another mother" has been a concept
And considering jewish culture _does_ acknowledge cousins and even nephews as "brothers," it is straight up bizarre to think we somehow understand adelphos better than even the Greek Orthodox that teach the exact same thing regarding how to understand Jesus's "brothers."
If Alton is honest about being open to tradition, and earnestly studies, it shouldn't be long before he converts to one of the Apostolic Faiths. Whether Catholic or Orthodox.
This i what Protestants do, to defend their unbiblical traditions accuse Jesus Christ for being a sinner.
I wanted to quote the baptism of repentance which Jesus took not because He needed to.
Alton claims his interpretations ALONE are infallible! Ironic! Alton seems like a nice guy, but William absolutely destroyed Alton's alleged infallible interpretations! Alton is not Biblical at all, but he is entertaining! Praying for his conversion! Wrong move to go up against William Albrecht in a Biblical debate! Keep up the GOD work William! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
I'm looking forward to this bbq william ready to go with the diet soda. God bless, brother
lett Alton Johnson answer the question himself "name the persons for who was the sinoffering David writes in Psalm 51, “I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.” Whas Jesus born in iniquity Alton ??
Alton doesnt have a demon like Matt Slick!
Alton makes a statement gets pressed on it and when he doesn’t have an answer, he claims William is gaslighting. All he has to do is be honest and humble concede the point. This is narcissistic behavior at its finest. Absolutely disgusting.
Unbelievable. The customs followed under the Jewish law had to be followed. Firstly, so that the law would be fulfilled, of which Jesus spoke of. Secondly, so that the hiddenness of Christ from satan would allow him to enter into His “hour”. Did not Christ receive baptism from John, right before he entered into the wilderness? So did Jesus need to repent and be baptized to be saved as well? This is the logic followed from Leviticus 12.
Everything you said just showed how Jesus is not God.
@ Do you go to the same church as Alton Johnson? This isn’t a very difficult understanding to grasp.
God bless you William!
elton john about to get schooled! 😅
Thank you William you rocked Alton big time ❤🙏
Hmmm William with the Win again!🙏🏼🤍
I left the Catholic Church for this exact reason the arrogance the twisting of scripture, the diversion from the point and the worship of one's religion rather than the Lord Jesus Christ
God bless you, William. ☦️❤️✝️
Alton: okay, yeah, but I disagree with that interpretation, you're misreading the text there.
William: Okay, show me how.
Alton: STOP GASLIGHTING ME.
1 hour 49 William shredded
Please reply to this William im a huge fan rq question will you be debating jay dyer currently im catholic but the debate between you two, this debate will determine wether to stay or convert to EO.
William cooked with paprika seasoning🫡☦️
Alton also states that you DO NOT HAVE TO go by HIS INTERPRETATION of Scripture. Then by what authority can he actually go out and preach? Where would be the truth in what he interprets if we do not have to go by it?
Hi W you smoked him,its because of that reasoning that i left protestantism
Wow...Helvidius?! Mr Alton, come on... 😧
Hahaha what about Mary was she conceived by male seed 😂😂 Alton miss that one
I didn’t think it could get worse after Matt “not very” slick but I was wrong.
24 min 30 seconds William got emmm
I hope Alton humbles himself. He can no longer deny the Truth. Excellent job William. Come home Alton!
This is one of the most embarrassing debates I’ve ever seen. William CRUSHED Alton with absolute ease. Amazing performance.
@36:28 "Quote it for me." At this point I knew it was over for Alton's argument.
I'm a black/native southerner (USA), I have cousins that aren't related to me, and actual cousins that I call my brothers and sisters. I come from a large family and we all grew up together. The culture of calling cousins siblings exists in the US. This brother is tripping! 🤷♂
Private interpretation in Protestant churches is what led me to the Catholic Church. The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth! [1 Timothy 3:15]. My question was what church, and now I'm becoming Catholic at Easter Vigil.
Not being brought up in the church and being non-denominational. It's clear as the day that Mary is above all women.
Diet coke and Celsius are terrible for you! God bless you and your family William ✝️
Painful to watch the hard of heart. Alton was just waiting to say a ‘gotcha’ without listening to anything William said.
Check his debate review on this.
I'm from Ghana. Even most female strangers at our mom's age we normally call them moms, the same for fathers too. And if they look a bit older than our parents we call them aunties or uncles. If these strangers are old enough to birth either or both our parents we normally call them grannies. So if I am giving an account about my cousins in my local dialect, I would use brothers and sisters throughout, that those in the west might actually think we are biological siblings when indeed we aren't. I will still call my biological brothers and sisters too the same way as I describe my cousins with the exact spellings. We even call children our nieces and nephews when they may not be our relatives.
My biological siblings are called "me nua" in my language
My cousins are called "me nua"
My biological mother is referred to as "me maame"
Each of my mother's sisters is called "me maame"
My mother's brother is my uncle not my father's brothers
My biological father is called " me papa"
Each of my father's brothers is called "me papa"
My father's sisters are my aunties and not my mother's sisters.
Our culture and that of the Jews are very similar in this sense.
So the fact that James and the rest were called brothers and sisters to Christ doesn't mean they are biological siblings. In fact it will shock you that they were not even actual family in the first place regardless them living in the same household which is common in most African households where strangers we have lived with for years automatically become family that marrying their children to some extent might be considered a taboo. In Ghana we can even describe our family friends, bosses at work, and even strangers as mothers, fathers, aunties, uncles, brothers, or sisters. And the spellings of these are the same as what we refer to our biological siblings and parents and other relatives.
Alton has poor understanding of greek literature and pulls a “im reading it from the bible” he should know that the translation of the greek to english isnt always what it seems depending on the context just as william argued but clearly doesn’t understand
It was hard watching this debate seeing how prideful alton really is, he can’t admit to being wrong and laughs it off this is exactly why interpretation of scripture requires the church not of your own it is very dangerous
William going to the reformers was too show how the reformers viewed the doctrines of mary and how scholarly they are in bible literature and its languages which the reformers accepted the doctrines of mary since he claims to be a reformer and alton you aint no scholar i aint too, so take notes humble urself
My God! If his logic is Mary Joseph offered the two doves and pigeons becuase they were sinful or impure. Then by his same logic, Christ was outside the covenent until his circumcusion on the 8th day, literally the first party to the old covenent exited it for 8 days.
Also by the same logic, if baptism washes away sins, Then Jesus was sinful until he was baptized.
Good Lord protect us from our own human idiocy
William is smart. I'm very happy. We need Catholic apologetics like William.
I think Alton doesn’t get why we believe in doctrines. We don’t get our doctrines from written sources. We get it from the Apostles, passed down “by word of mouth”. Apocryphal works such as the Protoevangelium of James may affirm certain doctrines, but it isn’t the sole source of the teaching of the Perpetual Virginity.
Sola scriptura is for the Holy Spirit Spirit to lead a true believer and for the True God to separate the true believers and is personal. This way no church can boast about their own denomination.
And that is why we end up with thousands of “churches”. Yet Jesus is clear that we have to listen to the Apostle and their successors (Lk. 10:16) because to them is the promise of the Holy Spirit to guide (Jn.16:13-15) His VISIBLE Church. Not to anyone who reads the Bible. Because then we have “schizophrenic” Holy Spirit!
its always astounding how many people want to just stop reading when they think theyve made their point.. its tempting to just stop on. a verse and think thats the end of a point but if YOU JUST KEEP READING loll