I love it when you explain this kinda stuff. I had a RV dealer this week tell me a Class C I was looking at had a 10k towing capability. I pointed out that the GVWR was 28k lbs and the GCWR was 33k lbs so that meant when you fully load it, you only can tow 5k lbs.
I'm a general contractor and drive my 2018 PW daily. I pull a dull axle enclosed tool trailer and on weekends a 32 ft cougar travel trailer. I've got bags on rear and have never had a problem. Bet truck I've ever owned.
I just put in the Dayton HD rear coils, no bags. Absolutely love them! Stock height, rides better & can handle one hell of a load! Twice the coils & about 30% heavier steel. Just picked up the matching from coils now.
Hi Shawn I'm glad to ear this... I have a 2019 power wagon exactly same as the one on the video , and I'm glad to ear that you are satisfied with a air bag in the back. That was what I was really hopping , that it would do the job... hopping I would be equal or close to be like a regular 3/4 ton ram for loading or pulling. Does it affect the ride do? And which one would you recommend me! Thanks for the info 👍
Somewhere in the documentation there's likely a notation that says the reduced ratings are for when the sway bar is disconnected and the truck is being used off-road. An average slide in camper with gear, food and supplies for a week long trip with 2 people will exceed the payload capacity and I've seen at least 5 Power Wagons heading west loaded like that in the last week alone that weren't squatted and looked to be tooling down the road like it wasn't anything new.
some of us dont need a 40' 5th wheel r.v to camp for a weekend fishing at the lake. you can get a lot of trailer for 10,000 lbs. travel trailers are light.
The point of the Power Wagon is to be capable and reliable on the trail. The payload is more than enough to carry all of ones gear for a long overland excursion. You could even tow a couple side by sides to the trail head. Also, a lot of people by trucks for the look. There are a lot of F250 power stroke trucks rolling around with pristine beds that haven't towed as much as I do with my 3/4 ton suburban.
With the 2014-2018 models AEV has a 1.5 inch spacer lift, that swaps out the Power Wagon springs with the standard Hemi 2500 springs, which brings the towing and payload back to standard levels for a Hemi Ram 2500. Also most owners that tow/haul loads beyond the standard ratings add air helper springs and do just fine. The frame, axles, transfer case, transmission are still the heavy duty 2500 components. I personally own a 2016 PW.
@@timjenkins7019 So you are saying the radiator is only the size of the hidden winch hidden behind the bumper? Do not respond if you are not educated enough to understand vehicle components.
I bought a power wagon... I’ve lived with a 1/2 ton truck and found it more than capable for my needs... I hunt a lot so I find myself off-road more than your average bear.. so I wanted the off-road capability... I don’t like big trailers so that is a non issue... PW works perfectly for me
I just bought a 2019 Power wagon and received it last week. I don’t really tow and rarely load it. I bought it because of it’s tremendous off road capability. Haters will always have negatives to say. You cannot build a truck that suites off road requirements and is able to haul heavy loads. Ram was smart, this is truck is purpose designed. If you need capacity, then a regular 3/4 ton is for you. It all depends on your needs.
Rather tow and haul 10,000 pounds with a 2019 Power Wagon then a half ton frame. I too just bought a 2019 Power wagon. Love it! 6.4 with the 8 speed amazing!
The typical buyer of this truck can drive over many curbs in a parking lot and carry plenty of shopping bags with the current payload rating. They will be fine.
David Frendo sad but true, same with the raptor. especially when the crew cab came. Every suburban bro in America has one parked in a la fitness parking lot.
Excellent info, people see 2500 and think they are good like I did. The Payload and towing is less than my f150. Thanks for the video. I too love the look of the powerwagon.
Excellent and important follow-up information to yesterday’s video. I posted a couple comments regarding all this, and I am glad you made it a point to make a video dedicated to pointing out the significant towing limitations, and especially the limited payload capability, depending upon the use. Beautiful and cool truck, indeed, but VERY limited in terms of actual real-world functionality. Thanks! Always good to have a reality check.
I own a 2017 Power Wagon and have weighed in at the landfill. Truck, trailer and load at 22,500 lbs. I wasn't squatting any more than my buddies 2500 Cummins, pulling the same loads. I later added air lift load bags to the rear to ensure no squat at all. The Power Wagon is a beast of a truck and runs like a scared cat!
It can easily tow 13k without any bottoming or excessive sagging even with stock suspension. It’s actually stronger than your regular 2500 has slightly more reinforced frame, bigger half shafts and better transfer case. This bs with poor towing has to stop and that stupid sticker needs updating. The low payload is bs as well.
You can put stiffer suspension on the PW. Like where I live, i dont need a soft suspension. Soft suspension in snow and mud just gets you stuck. I have a 3 inch lift on 38's with stiffer springs and 3 inch bypass shocks. My springs are rated for a Ram 5500. I have load range H tires too. My tow rate is now 15,000lbs in my PW. And it can still go anywhere a jeep gladiator, wrangler can go.
Theory of mine, truck is built for off roading no question there. While offroading you're going to be putting the suspension under significantly more load than driving down a normal road. Could ram have reduced the payload capacity to accommodate for the abuse of offroad driving. Arbitrary numbers lets say the axle of a normal 2500 is good for 5000 lbs of total force including weight of the vehicle as well as forces experienced during normal pot holes and such. Let say the powerwagons axle can handle the same weight however higher forces during offroading mean reduction in weight as to not exceed that arbitrary 5000 lb. number. I would suspect the powerwagon could technically handle more weight under normal road conditions but for liability reasons ram reduced the rated capacity for offroad use.
I thought I was typical. My powerwagon spends at least half of its time off-road. My driveway alone is a trek. I'm totally pleased with my jeep alternative.
Wanted to get one of these. Then realized my old Z71 can haul more and tow just about as much. I kept my old truck. Might get a used Ram 2500 and just put some aftermarket wheels on it.
You could title the vid as "When Truck Shoppers Don't Do Their Homework"...As a 18' Raptor owner I knew exactly what I was buying and more important what the truck was NOT designed for..The Raptor forums are full of new owners now belly aching about how low the payload and tow ratings are...and some are actually upset Ford "missed" the mark by not offering silly things as 3 across front seating. "How am supposed to take my family of 6 out for the weekend"...If they did their homework they would know the demographic for the Raptor was NOT a soccer Mom vehicle. I'm a Ford guy, but think the P/Wagon is awesome and does what it's designed to do better then just about anything else (I know, the Raptor it too low and too wide to really compete..)Thanks for the video!
This is a great example of truck that not designed to used as a hd truck. It's more of a fun off road vehicle. Too bad you didn't cover road noise, and some other aspects of the truck.
Also before you go with a Colorado/Canyon as a tow rig because the PW rated towing is lower, do a Google search for “Colorado ZR2 bent frame”. A guy bent his frame while pulling a 3,000 trailer off roading.
Please research before spreading misinformation. Turns out the guy was rolling 50+ mph on a dirt trail and hit a dip that dropped out 8ft then back up over a span of 25ft. He slammed the truck through the hole at 50+mph. The engineers looking into the investigation was surprised the truck actually maintained integrity (not break completely). Also what was found out the trailer in question was also loaded out actually putting the GVWR about 1900lbs over weight. His speed through the dip and the overloaded vehicle combination contributed to the failure of the frame and therefore Ford denied responsibility as a manufacturer's defect. Take a Ram, Chevy Fullsize and overload it to the percentage of the incident, go through the dip at speed and almost every truck will fail in one way or another. Thank you!!
Jason Allison I have. The frame also has a design flaw where the engineers placed a large hole in the frame at a critical point between the cab and the bed. I agree the abuse is extreme in this case, but how many modern trucks have you seen with bent frames due to off road abuse w/trailers? Also I think GM will be redesigning that section of the frame after this incident with future models. Personally I prefer my trucks over engineered.
CerebrusPrime Is Not Worried About Its 2021 Power Wagon Payload.....The Heaviest Weight The Prime Will Be Carrying In Its Wagon Is A Couple Of 120 lb Blondes.....
I JUST moved from Corpus Christi to Houston. I would have loved to know have found you before I left. I recognize you driving down SPID and all that. Wow, small world.
add airbags and you have your 3/4 ton payload back. and pulling weight.. This gut doesn't understand, the only Signiant difference is the springs they are a dual rate spring and the truck is lifted 2" higher than a normal 3/4 ton. all your running gear , frame everything is a 3/4 ton dodge. The dual rate springs are very soft if you back them with airbags people are pulling 5th wheels with it. You can even upgrade it with aftermarket springs or factory 3/.4 ton 2500 springs and get the same effect a full 3/4 ton truck
I loath the huge center consoles in these trucks. I'm considering a power wagon just so I can get the 12" screen and front bench without special ordering.
At 4:06 or so, there’s a sign that says max payload is 1,510 and max towing is 10,350, yet you were saying 1,100. Is there a trailer package you can get which you don’t have on the test truck to bring it up to 1,510? 1,100 seems really low and even at 1,510 it’s still lower then my Ram 1500 which is 1,840, but still disappears pretty fast when loading it up with people, gear, and the tongue weight of our boat. As always keep up the great videos and love the content. The power wagon seems pretty cool.
I looked at my 1500 on the Ram site by VIN and it shows 1,840, but my door sticker is 1,749. I thought the search by VIN would have matched. 🤔 They don’t provide towing capacity on the sticker, but the Ram site by VIN search stated like 11,340 which can’t be right if the payload was wrong.
Gran Sport Depending on your rear end gearing you probably have a 17,000 GCWR. Now subtract your 7100 GVWR of the truck and that’s your “true” max tow capacity. Vehicle manufacturers are not very honest when listing true towing abilities. Unfortunately it’s up to us to do our own research.
Every bit of offroad kit you put on any vehicle reduces it's towing and payload capacity. Don't let any salesperson tell you otherwise. They are putting you and those around you in danger just to make a sale.
The typical buyer of this truck is not a person looking at a 3500 or tow capable truck. its a person that likes to go offroad and the jeep gladiator is just to damn expensive for what you get. this truck is looked at by people who wanna go offroad anywhere a jeep can go and carry more crap with them all the while being able to tow more. right now you can out the door buy a power wagon no different than a jeep rubicon for a 47000 price tag maybe cheaper with more discounts. you get a nice gas guzzling 6.4l v8 with a bigger bed than a gladiator. and they have the same damn chasis setup 4.10 gears front rear locking diff sway bar disconnect. but u get stronger frame with a 3/4ton truck. why would i pay 65 plus bones for a gladiator that i cant tow with as much and save 20 grand and have more power and cargo space. This truck will tow just fine anything you throw behind it within the specs.
So I gather when you look at a truck online, the payload numbers are a generic number for the best possible payload for that model? It's not the actual payload of that particular truck? For example, the payload shown for the Power Wagon is 1,510 lbs, but I know that's not true for most Power Wagons.
The ram boxes and the loaded interior severely hurt the payload. A lower option without ram boxes truck payload is roughly 1600 pounds. But the same facts apply above. I was the buyer that takes my wagon offroading. It works great tows my 7k trailer fine too. Cant compare when its leveled and 37s
I alway had an issue with this. Can you help? I have a 2015 -1500 Ram . 5.7 I bought a 7,010 pound Travel Trailer.. what would be My requirement here on tongue weight.. I do have a stabilizer center line hitch Thank you for your videos
Wireman134 I have a “5/8 ton Titan (don’t forget the XD)”. the gasser Pro4X I have has 2240 payload, nearly double the Ram Power Wagon. I actually wanted the Power Wagon, but I could get two Titan XD Pro4X for the price of one power wagon, nearly identical max tow rating, double the payload. What I didn’t get was the screen and winch. Diesel Titan XD (discontinued in 2020) only had 1600 payload.
Adding airbags doesn't increase towing capacity for. It has to do with how much weight each axle can handle so the only way to really increase it is to beef up the axles even more. The air suspension would actually just make the towing more stable.
What this guy said is entirely inaccurate. The Power Wagon's tow rating is based on it's spring rates. Softer springs are required for 26" of suspension travel. The PW uses upgraded axles. They are the same full floating axles found in the diesels. These trucks can generally tow a lot more than they are rated for. Towing at the truck's peak rating is also a lot easier than doing so with a 1/2 ton. The PW has more power. It also has more weight to keep the load stable.
@@salspec3381 it absolutely has to do with how much weight the axle is rated to handle.... I've been towing for 15 years. How much weight each axle can handle relates to what it can tow without risking your drivetrain. You probably could tow more than it is rated for but good luck stopping it. And you could break the truck if you tow more than what the axle is rated for.
American Citizen you’re getting it twisted. The axles are not the weak link in the chain here. It’s the suspension. Those are the same axles as the diesels. Same frame. It’s the suspension that is the weak link here.
@@stephenwilson9443 go ahead and throw some bags on a power wagon and then load it up like a regular 3/4 ton lol. Those axles are not rated for the same weight. Let me know how that works out for you.
I bought this truck not for towing but the payload is a little disapointing, im waiting for it to arrive but my only regret is i chose black instead of white or blue. But may i ask how the ac is on the truck... yes the AC; i asked an owner and he said it is not cooling down right is his only complaint
So would you choose a power wagon over a limited 1500? I am debating between these two trucks. How’s the mpg’s? Can you make calls inside the power wagon?
Maybe I missed it in the earlier video, but why is the payload capacity so low? Is it because the truck is that much heavier than typical 2500 or because RAM incorporated equipment such as the tires that are designed for off-road and are unable to handle payload?
@Big Truck Little RV axlesbare identical to a normal 2500 . 6k front axles and 10k rears. Same frame and all. It's all due to the suspension limitations why the payload and towing is downgraded.
I was looking at the power wagon and the gladiator, and the PW only has 200lbs more payload than the Gladiator at best. The one you were driving has less payload than a manual Gladiator. O.ob
Here's my own personal situation. I currently have a 2012 frontier crew cab rwd and within the next year or two I'll be in the position at work where I'll have an issue car for work. That means I'll have to leave a vehicle at work when I have the car but I cant drive the car for personal use (aka, I need a second vehicle) since I won't be driving the second vehicle for work mpg isn't critical. I don't plan on getting rid of the frontier for a couple reasons (it'll be paid off, it isn't bad on gas, it's reliable, resale on a rwd isn't super high so it isn't worth getting rid of, and it's good in snow for getting to work) but I want a bigger truck. I've wanted a power wagon for a very long time but I have a dilemma. I want a crew cab 4x4 3/4 ton. I dont really tow much or haul all the time but I am young at 24 and I plan to have my next truck for a long time (15+ years since miles will be relatively low). In that time a lot can change (future family, moving, life events, etc.) and I want the robustness of solid axles and the build of a HD truck. They last forever and since I have a smaller truck already a 1/2 ton wouldn't be a huge step up. Basically I'm stuck on a 3/4 ton. Would I be disappointed in getting the power wagon? The biggest I foresee towing would be a car trailer or equivalent. An HD truck (gas engine, I have zero use that would justify the cost of a diesel) would give me something where I wouldn't have to ask to borrow someone else's truck unless it was really heavy... where I'm getting with this is that the power wagon has the capability of a half ton with the robustness of a 3/4 ton. It has good power, a lot of recreational capability, and would be capable of what I probably need a truck for with a lot of cool factor and "dream vehicle" status. Would I be disappointed with it given its limitations?
Love the looks of these trucks but just can’t justify one due to the limitations on payload and towing that you mentioned. I just would never off road that much here in FL. MAYBE if I lived out west but still not likely.
Don Leamon think about what the terms 1/2 ton 3/4 ton are supposed to mean. They are supposed to indicate payload capacity. Now generally these days most trucks are well over those designations but here we have one that is the opposite. It’s well under. So yes it may be the same frame, axels, etc that Dodge uses on their 3/4 ton trucks. But given an 1100lb payload rating this thing is most assuredly NOT a 3/4 ton truck. Heck 1100lbs is pathetic by 1/2 ton standards much less 3/4 ton.
Fantastic video. I am exactly the person who wants this but also wants to tow. I have a 6300 lb 31 for trailer, so based on what you said I’d be at my max with just the trailer and the family. I really hope power wagon catches up with the specs of gm and for (with the future tremor). Given the competitions have significantly more payload and tow capacity for their off road HD trucks do you think that next years power wagon will increase their payload/tow capacity? As always great vids and I really hope you get your hands on the new tremor when it is avail as well as next years power wagon.
So what you are saying is that 4 250lb guys come close to the max payload of a 3/4 ton truck? Anyone else have a problem with this? Don't get me wrong i LOVE THIS TRUCK!!! it is the ultimate Zombie Apocalypse vehicle! As we prepare for Hurricane Dorian, I am wishing I had one! But the fact still remains that this 3/4 ton truck has a payload of 4 large size adults.
I can say same argument as you said - "It's not avg person who will take this truck to Moab desert for the off road" , same I can say it's not every buyer will tow 15,00-0 lbs ! It's a very small percentage people tow anything at all! Most farmers will 350 or 3500 diesel anyway for tow, or even with dual rear tires for 15,000 lbs and plus Come on it's stupid to say .
Yes it will. These 'off road' trucks have off road shocks and springs, this is what makes them work so well off road. But with that, you sacrifice it's load capacity. If capacity is a concern, go get a 2500 Cummins Diesel.
If you want payload, don't buy a vehicle that's off-road oriented. Shock absorbing capability, ride compliance and articulation compromise load carrying capability. It's all about trade-offs. You can't have everything.
i drive a '16 King Ranch and i'm looking at this new truck. i don't tow. once in a year maybe. this would work for me. Paylod is pathetic. mine is 1700lb payload.
I love the truck but very very disappointed in the payload and towing . This truck was in my top 3 picks for my new purchase but not anymore☹️. NEXT!!!!
Payload numbers are not accurate. The 2020s got about 1500lbs of payload. And you can easily get another 500 to jump it up to 2000lbs of payload with different springs. The 10,000 for towing is correct though.
I need one of these new power wagons to load on a trailer to tow behind my 3500 high output Cummins. Then I can go play off-road, and trailer the truck there.
"If you guys don't support your local EMS as well as fire and first responders"... BIG props for not including police. They're also the difference between life and death, but they end a lot more lives than they save.
It has no limitations. I have one and it will do everything a normal person would ever do. I pull a 30 foot trailer, put as much Lumber as you can fit into it, pull a 30-foot sailboat, no issues at all. If you want it a truck for industrial use, or pulling a huge fifth wheel this is not your truck. This truck is ideal for people that live in Snow Country or anywhere with dirt roads.
HandcuffCharlie Have you ever heard the term “tongue weight”? It all comes off of the very little payload this truck has. So yes..the limits are very easily exceeded.
It's all paperwork Has nothing to do with its limits. It's no different than a regular 2500 in the rearend. It's legal crap that ram has turned the 2500 into
You’re comparing apples to oranges, though. It doesn’t mean the Power Wagon sucks, it means you don’t understand how your vehicle compares to this one. Your truck’s rated to tow & haul more than a Raptor, too- does it mean they suck too?
Now this seems like a crock. Payload capacity and tongue weights are less than that of a half ton but 7-8,000 dry weight trailer is fine. Make up your mind.
I love it when you explain this kinda stuff. I had a RV dealer this week tell me a Class C I was looking at had a 10k towing capability. I pointed out that the GVWR was 28k lbs and the GCWR was 33k lbs so that meant when you fully load it, you only can tow 5k lbs.
I'm a general contractor and drive my 2018 PW daily. I pull a dull axle enclosed tool trailer and on weekends a 32 ft cougar travel trailer. I've got bags on rear and have never had a problem. Bet truck I've ever owned.
Shawn Deaver exactly a 100 bag set up fixed everything
What bag kit did you put on your PW?
I just put in the Dayton HD rear coils, no bags. Absolutely love them! Stock height, rides better & can handle one hell of a load! Twice the coils & about 30% heavier steel. Just picked up the matching from coils now.
Hi Shawn
I'm glad to ear this... I have a 2019 power wagon exactly same as the one on the video , and I'm glad to ear that you are satisfied with a air bag in the back. That was what I was really hopping , that it would do the job... hopping I would be equal or close to be like a regular 3/4 ton ram for loading or pulling. Does it affect the ride do? And which one would you recommend me! Thanks for the info 👍
@@rhealmarengere5138 I used the Firestone bags.
Simple fix if you're going to buy one of these and not really off road get an aftermarket towing rear air ride setup.
Somewhere in the documentation there's likely a notation that says the reduced ratings are for when the sway bar is disconnected and the truck is being used off-road. An average slide in camper with gear, food and supplies for a week long trip with 2 people will exceed the payload capacity and I've seen at least 5 Power Wagons heading west loaded like that in the last week alone that weren't squatted and looked to be tooling down the road like it wasn't anything new.
some of us dont need a 40' 5th wheel r.v to camp for a weekend fishing at the lake. you can get a lot of trailer for 10,000 lbs. travel trailers are light.
Shawn Riddle very true
The point of the Power Wagon is to be capable and reliable on the trail. The payload is more than enough to carry all of ones gear for a long overland excursion. You could even tow a couple side by sides to the trail head. Also, a lot of people by trucks for the look. There are a lot of F250 power stroke trucks rolling around with pristine beds that haven't towed as much as I do with my 3/4 ton suburban.
With the 2014-2018 models AEV has a 1.5 inch spacer lift, that swaps out the Power Wagon springs with the standard Hemi 2500 springs, which brings the towing and payload back to standard levels for a Hemi Ram 2500. Also most owners that tow/haul loads beyond the standard ratings add air helper springs and do just fine. The frame, axles, transfer case, transmission are still the heavy duty 2500 components. I personally own a 2016 PW.
It's also a cooling issue. The winch blocks airflow to the radiator and AC condenser.
@@timjenkins7019 So you are saying the radiator is only the size of the hidden winch hidden behind the bumper? Do not respond if you are not educated enough to understand vehicle components.
@@timjenkins7019 My PW has never over heated towing, through Kentucky, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.
I bought a power wagon... I’ve lived with a 1/2 ton truck and found it more than capable for my needs... I hunt a lot so I find myself off-road more than your average bear.. so I wanted the off-road capability... I don’t like big trailers so that is a non issue... PW works perfectly for me
Lol, mine tows my 8000 lb travel trailer like it's not even there.
P.s. Taking it to Moab in March.
I want to buy this car but how did it do with towing? It been a year
@@XX_JAY_XXX I'd like to know as well . Looking into upgrading to a Ram.
I routinely tow over 12,000 pounds from Phoenix to Flagstaff and haven't had a problem yet. 🤞
I really want to order a power wagon. I have a 10,000 boat I want to tow with it. Do you think I will have a problem? Thank you.
That’s it! Family has to go on a diet LOL
lmao 🤣
I just bought a 2019 Power wagon and received it last week. I don’t really tow and rarely load it. I bought it because of it’s tremendous off road capability. Haters will always have negatives to say. You cannot build a truck that suites off road requirements and is able to haul heavy loads. Ram was smart, this is truck is purpose designed. If you need capacity, then a regular 3/4 ton is for you. It all depends on your needs.
Rather tow and haul 10,000 pounds with a 2019 Power Wagon then a half ton frame. I too just bought a 2019 Power wagon. Love it! 6.4 with the 8 speed amazing!
@Rod Smith 1396
Actually you can easy helper air bags in the rear for 100 bucks boom best in both worlds air it up for towing. Take it down for off-roading
@@RED2K2TIMMY where would i find air bags for that amount for power wagon?
The typical buyer of this truck can drive over many curbs in a parking lot and carry plenty of shopping bags with the current payload rating. They will be fine.
God knows as a home owner i cant leave lowes without a ton of lumber. lol
David Frendo sad but true, same with the raptor. especially when the crew cab came. Every suburban bro in America has one parked in a la fitness parking lot.
Excellent. I'm lusting after a Power Wagon, but also wanna tow a travel trailer.
The PW will handle it, if you want no squat out of any 2500 use Airlift bags in the rear.
Thank you for the EMS shout out. The towing and cap was what I was most interested in and you cut right to it.
You mean to tell me that the WARN winch can tow more by itself that this PowerWagon?!?!
Yes lol
@Joshua Eaton Wrong. Don't fall for your mechanic's BS. The sway bar being disconnectable has nothing to do the strength of the front end.
Excellent info, people see 2500 and think they are good like I did. The Payload and towing is less than my f150. Thanks for the video. I too love the look of the powerwagon.
Great video. Thanks for the info regarding pay load. This may be the coolest truck looking truck but wouldn’t work for me.
Excellent and important follow-up information to yesterday’s video. I posted a couple comments regarding all this, and I am glad you made it a point to make a video dedicated to pointing out the significant towing limitations, and especially the limited payload capability, depending upon the use. Beautiful and cool truck, indeed, but VERY limited in terms of actual real-world functionality. Thanks! Always good to have a reality check.
I own a 2017 Power Wagon and have weighed in at the landfill.
Truck, trailer and load at 22,500 lbs. I wasn't squatting any more than my buddies 2500 Cummins, pulling the same loads. I later added air lift load bags to the rear to ensure no squat at all. The Power Wagon is a beast of a truck and runs like a scared cat!
Rent a trailer for your home depot trips. lol Luv the way it tows my 25 foot toy hauler off road. soft dune sand. no other HD tows better off road.
It can easily tow 13k without any bottoming or excessive sagging even with stock suspension. It’s actually stronger than your regular 2500 has slightly more reinforced frame, bigger half shafts and better transfer case. This bs with poor towing has to stop and that stupid sticker needs updating. The low payload is bs as well.
Don't care about payload and towing. I just want a superb off-riad truck. I suspect many interested in the Power Wagon want the same.
You can put stiffer suspension on the PW. Like where I live, i dont need a soft suspension. Soft suspension in snow and mud just gets you stuck. I have a 3 inch lift on 38's with stiffer springs and 3 inch bypass shocks. My springs are rated for a Ram 5500. I have load range H tires too. My tow rate is now 15,000lbs in my PW. And it can still go anywhere a jeep gladiator, wrangler can go.
Thanks for this review, JD. The information definitely makes me rethink my next truck's requirements.
Always appreciate you highlighting this JD. I know too many people who either don’t look at the sticker or don’t care.
I like the power wagon winch,screen
Patton oswald knows a lot about this truck
Thanks for the information, I have a 2023 coming and I’ll have to adjust what truck I actually buy now. Thanks
Theory of mine, truck is built for off roading no question there. While offroading you're going to be putting the suspension under significantly more load than driving down a normal road. Could ram have reduced the payload capacity to accommodate for the abuse of offroad driving. Arbitrary numbers lets say the axle of a normal 2500 is good for 5000 lbs of total force including weight of the vehicle as well as forces experienced during normal pot holes and such. Let say the powerwagons axle can handle the same weight however higher forces during offroading mean reduction in weight as to not exceed that arbitrary 5000 lb. number. I would suspect the powerwagon could technically handle more weight under normal road conditions but for liability reasons ram reduced the rated capacity for offroad use.
GVWR and payload capacities are for on road use. Not off road use.
You're completely correct. It does have a softer suspension but it will handle way more than they're saying.
@@DK-jd8bj More sway, I doubt it. It will flip before any other 2500 having a higher center of gravity.
I thought I was typical. My powerwagon spends at least half of its time off-road. My driveway alone is a trek. I'm totally pleased with my jeep alternative.
Wanted to get one of these. Then realized my old Z71 can haul more and tow just about as much. I kept my old truck. Might get a used Ram 2500 and just put some aftermarket wheels on it.
You could title the vid as "When Truck Shoppers Don't Do Their Homework"...As a 18' Raptor owner I knew exactly what I was buying and more important what the truck was NOT designed for..The Raptor forums are full of new owners now belly aching about how low the payload and tow ratings are...and some are actually upset Ford "missed" the mark by not offering silly things as 3 across front seating. "How am supposed to take my family of 6 out for the weekend"...If they did their homework they would know the demographic for the Raptor was NOT a soccer Mom vehicle. I'm a Ford guy, but think the P/Wagon is awesome and does what it's designed to do better then just about anything else (I know, the Raptor it too low and too wide to really compete..)Thanks for the video!
EXCELLENT ADVICE !
No extra heavy towing in my case.
This is a great example of truck that not designed to used as a hd truck. It's more of a fun off road vehicle. Too bad you didn't cover road noise, and some other aspects of the truck.
repairvehicle look at the title ? Smh
Also before you go with a Colorado/Canyon as a tow rig because the PW rated towing is lower, do a Google search for “Colorado ZR2 bent frame”. A guy bent his frame while pulling a 3,000 trailer off roading.
Please research before spreading misinformation. Turns out the guy was rolling 50+ mph on a dirt trail and hit a dip that dropped out 8ft then back up over a span of 25ft. He slammed the truck through the hole at 50+mph. The engineers looking into the investigation was surprised the truck actually maintained integrity (not break completely). Also what was found out the trailer in question was also loaded out actually putting the GVWR about 1900lbs over weight. His speed through the dip and the overloaded vehicle combination contributed to the failure of the frame and therefore Ford denied responsibility as a manufacturer's defect.
Take a Ram, Chevy Fullsize and overload it to the percentage of the incident, go through the dip at speed and almost every truck will fail in one way or another. Thank you!!
Jason Allison I have. The frame also has a design flaw where the engineers placed a large hole in the frame at a critical point between the cab and the bed. I agree the abuse is extreme in this case, but how many modern trucks have you seen with bent frames due to off road abuse w/trailers? Also I think GM will be redesigning that section of the frame after this incident with future models. Personally I prefer my trucks over engineered.
CerebrusPrime Is Not Worried About Its 2021 Power Wagon Payload.....The Heaviest Weight The Prime Will Be Carrying In Its Wagon Is A Couple Of 120 lb Blondes.....
Yeah it's relatively low compared to a canyon and ranger LOL
I JUST moved from Corpus Christi to Houston. I would have loved to know have found you before I left. I recognize you driving down SPID and all that. Wow, small world.
add airbags and you have your 3/4 ton payload back. and pulling weight.. This gut doesn't understand, the only Signiant difference is the springs they are a dual rate spring and the truck is lifted 2" higher than a normal 3/4 ton. all your running gear , frame everything is a 3/4 ton dodge. The dual rate springs are very soft if you back them with airbags people are pulling 5th wheels with it. You can even upgrade it with aftermarket springs or factory 3/.4 ton 2500 springs and get the same effect a full 3/4 ton truck
I would compare this more so to a Laramie sense you can’t get a bench in longhorn up. Great video!
JB Reviews cool
Scott Sweeney hey hey!
I loath the huge center consoles in these trucks. I'm considering a power wagon just so I can get the 12" screen and front bench without special ordering.
JD knows his stuff!
Meegz1984 true!
At 4:06 or so, there’s a sign that says max payload is 1,510 and max towing is 10,350, yet you were saying 1,100. Is there a trailer package you can get which you don’t have on the test truck to bring it up to 1,510? 1,100 seems really low and even at 1,510 it’s still lower then my Ram 1500 which is 1,840, but still disappears pretty fast when loading it up with people, gear, and the tongue weight of our boat. As always keep up the great videos and love the content. The power wagon seems pretty cool.
Yeah, on Ram's website, it states the PW has a 1510 lb payload. Not sure where the 1100 number is coming from.
great207 @1:02 JD shows the payload sticker
I looked at my 1500 on the Ram site by VIN and it shows 1,840, but my door sticker is 1,749. I thought the search by VIN would have matched. 🤔 They don’t provide towing capacity on the sticker, but the Ram site by VIN search stated like 11,340 which can’t be right if the payload was wrong.
Gran Sport Depending on your rear end gearing you probably have a 17,000 GCWR. Now subtract your 7100 GVWR of the truck and that’s your “true” max tow capacity. Vehicle manufacturers are not very honest when listing true towing abilities. Unfortunately it’s up to us to do our own research.
Oh yeah that makes sense. Been a long day and wasn’t thinking about the GCWR. Thanks for the reminder. I have the 3.92.
Every bit of offroad kit you put on any vehicle reduces it's towing and payload capacity. Don't let any salesperson tell you otherwise. They are putting you and those around you in danger just to make a sale.
The typical buyer of this truck is not a person looking at a 3500 or tow capable truck. its a person that likes to go offroad and the jeep gladiator is just to damn expensive for what you get. this truck is looked at by people who wanna go offroad anywhere a jeep can go and carry more crap with them all the while being able to tow more. right now you can out the door buy a power wagon no different than a jeep rubicon for a 47000 price tag maybe cheaper with more discounts. you get a nice gas guzzling 6.4l v8 with a bigger bed than a gladiator. and they have the same damn chasis setup 4.10 gears front rear locking diff sway bar disconnect. but u get stronger frame with a 3/4ton truck. why would i pay 65 plus bones for a gladiator that i cant tow with as much and save 20 grand and have more power and cargo space. This truck will tow just fine anything you throw behind it within the specs.
Yes so many people are going to buy that truck and then afterwards wake up with a headache because of the payload.
No they won't. They'll just overload it. Most people don't pay attention to the the payload rating.
Yeah payload ratings are way underrated usually. I double the payload rating on my truck all the time. Never had an issue.
So I gather when you look at a truck online, the payload numbers are a generic number for the best possible payload for that model? It's not the actual payload of that particular truck? For example, the payload shown for the Power Wagon is 1,510 lbs, but I know that's not true for most Power Wagons.
you tow with your family in the trailer? 😀
The ram boxes and the loaded interior severely hurt the payload. A lower option without ram boxes truck payload is roughly 1600 pounds. But the same facts apply above. I was the buyer that takes my wagon offroading. It works great tows my 7k trailer fine too. Cant compare when its leveled and 37s
🤔The Ford Ranger can haul more then the Power Wagon? So it was built for the suburban grocery store pickup or to just look "cool"
If you believe that, you're a fool.
I alway had an issue with this. Can you help?
I have a 2015 -1500 Ram . 5.7 I bought a 7,010 pound Travel Trailer.. what would be My requirement here on tongue weight..
I do have a stabilizer center line hitch
Thank you for your videos
God bless our EMT’s!!!
You hit the nail on the head JD.
Where do you get your stats for the typical buyer?
so, (like a raptor) it’s not a work truck
As low as these numbers are why make it a 3/4 ton?
5/8 ton Titian is same
Wireman134 I have a “5/8 ton Titan (don’t forget the XD)”. the gasser Pro4X I have has 2240 payload, nearly double the Ram Power Wagon. I actually wanted the Power Wagon, but I could get two Titan XD Pro4X for the price of one power wagon, nearly identical max tow rating, double the payload. What I didn’t get was the screen and winch. Diesel Titan XD (discontinued in 2020) only had 1600 payload.
For the durability of the 3/4 ton axles, transfer case and suspension. As said in the video it is designed for off road not towing or hauling.
OFF-ROAD 3/4 TON STEEL IS STRONGER THAN A HALF TON.
I wonder what the payload would be if adding airbags and only inflating when needed...
Adding airbags doesn't increase towing capacity for. It has to do with how much weight each axle can handle so the only way to really increase it is to beef up the axles even more. The air suspension would actually just make the towing more stable.
What this guy said is entirely inaccurate. The Power Wagon's tow rating is based on it's spring rates. Softer springs are required for 26" of suspension travel. The PW uses upgraded axles. They are the same full floating axles found in the diesels. These trucks can generally tow a lot more than they are rated for. Towing at the truck's peak rating is also a lot easier than doing so with a 1/2 ton. The PW has more power. It also has more weight to keep the load stable.
@@salspec3381 it absolutely has to do with how much weight the axle is rated to handle.... I've been towing for 15 years. How much weight each axle can handle relates to what it can tow without risking your drivetrain. You probably could tow more than it is rated for but good luck stopping it. And you could break the truck if you tow more than what the axle is rated for.
American Citizen you’re getting it twisted. The axles are not the weak link in the chain here. It’s the suspension. Those are the same axles as the diesels. Same frame. It’s the suspension that is the weak link here.
@@stephenwilson9443 go ahead and throw some bags on a power wagon and then load it up like a regular 3/4 ton lol. Those axles are not rated for the same weight. Let me know how that works out for you.
I bought a HD 2500 ram and add a winch and go though work to put old fashion manual disconnect sway bars and loss only 100 LBS of tow
I bought this truck not for towing but the payload is a little disapointing, im waiting for it to arrive but my only regret is i chose black instead of white or blue. But may i ask how the ac is on the truck... yes the AC; i asked an owner and he said it is not cooling down right is his only complaint
You bought it without doing a test drive in it checking out the AC?
Explain what can be done to better the towing and payload without robbing the offroad prowess.
Thank's a lot for this Video! 🙋♂️🇩🇪
What of I install airbags on spacers ?
So would you choose a power wagon over a limited 1500? I am debating between these two trucks. How’s the mpg’s? Can you make calls inside the power wagon?
Front axle is better on Power Wagon
Apples and oranges...
Maybe I missed it in the earlier video, but why is the payload capacity so low? Is it because the truck is that much heavier than typical 2500 or because RAM incorporated equipment such as the tires that are designed for off-road and are unable to handle payload?
Axles are lighter to reduce un sprung weight. Springs are softer and have more travel. GVWR is only 8,565lbs.
John Peterson Yes. You answered your own questions.
@@bigtrucklittlerv7969 - Axles are not lighter, same size AAM's.
@Big Truck Little RV axlesbare identical to a normal 2500 . 6k front axles and 10k rears. Same frame and all. It's all due to the suspension limitations why the payload and towing is downgraded.
Whats sad is my 1992 dodge d150 has a 2000 pound payload.
In your opinion, why would Ram give the power wagon such a low payload and towing capacity? Can it be increase thru the after market?
soft off road suspension
No.
A friend had a Taco
Went with aftermarket springs
Claimed his Taco now is a 1 ton pickup truck!
It can be, but if that is what you want then just get the regular 2500!
No
I was looking at the power wagon and the gladiator, and the PW only has 200lbs more payload than the Gladiator at best. The one you were driving has less payload than a manual Gladiator. O.ob
But it's towing capability is less than half of the PW.
The numbers they put out are ridiculous. The PW is a much stronger truck than the Gladiator.
@@XploreAz Sure, but I'm going off road and I'm not planning on towing over rocks and ruts, so I'm more concerned with the payload numbers.
Here's my own personal situation. I currently have a 2012 frontier crew cab rwd and within the next year or two I'll be in the position at work where I'll have an issue car for work. That means I'll have to leave a vehicle at work when I have the car but I cant drive the car for personal use (aka, I need a second vehicle) since I won't be driving the second vehicle for work mpg isn't critical. I don't plan on getting rid of the frontier for a couple reasons (it'll be paid off, it isn't bad on gas, it's reliable, resale on a rwd isn't super high so it isn't worth getting rid of, and it's good in snow for getting to work) but I want a bigger truck. I've wanted a power wagon for a very long time but I have a dilemma. I want a crew cab 4x4 3/4 ton. I dont really tow much or haul all the time but I am young at 24 and I plan to have my next truck for a long time (15+ years since miles will be relatively low). In that time a lot can change (future family, moving, life events, etc.) and I want the robustness of solid axles and the build of a HD truck. They last forever and since I have a smaller truck already a 1/2 ton wouldn't be a huge step up. Basically I'm stuck on a 3/4 ton. Would I be disappointed in getting the power wagon? The biggest I foresee towing would be a car trailer or equivalent. An HD truck (gas engine, I have zero use that would justify the cost of a diesel) would give me something where I wouldn't have to ask to borrow someone else's truck unless it was really heavy... where I'm getting with this is that the power wagon has the capability of a half ton with the robustness of a 3/4 ton. It has good power, a lot of recreational capability, and would be capable of what I probably need a truck for with a lot of cool factor and "dream vehicle" status. Would I be disappointed with it given its limitations?
Carli Pintop kit boosts payload to 2000lbs
If I had that truck I’d have a trailer of some sort to haul. A pallet of bricks or something
Love the looks of these trucks but just can’t justify one due to the limitations on payload and towing that you mentioned. I just would never off road that much here in FL. MAYBE if I lived out west but still not likely.
This frankly isn’t a 3/4 ton truck. Not with those payload numbers. It’s a 1/2 ton that uses some 3/4 truck components for additional durability.
Some 3/4 components? By that do you mean everything BUT the springs? Oh, OK.
Don Leamon think about what the terms 1/2 ton 3/4 ton are supposed to mean. They are supposed to indicate payload capacity. Now generally these days most trucks are well over those designations but here we have one that is the opposite. It’s well under. So yes it may be the same frame, axels, etc that Dodge uses on their 3/4 ton trucks. But given an 1100lb payload rating this thing is most assuredly NOT a 3/4 ton truck. Heck 1100lbs is pathetic by 1/2 ton standards much less 3/4 ton.
Fantastic video.
I am exactly the person who wants this but also wants to tow. I have a 6300 lb 31 for trailer, so based on what you said I’d be at my max with just the trailer and the family. I really hope power wagon catches up with the specs of gm and for (with the future tremor). Given the competitions have significantly more payload and tow capacity for their off road HD trucks do you think that next years power wagon will increase their payload/tow capacity? As always great vids and I really hope you get your hands on the new tremor when it is avail as well as next years power wagon.
So now do the Jeep Gladiator vs the other off road trucks from a towing/hauling POV.
Thank you
Dang sure can't put any full pallets of block like for a retaining wall each of those pallets are almost 3000lbs each
I was going to say, my 2009 Ranger has factory numbers higher than the power wagon
Get helper air bags and boom you have a truck that can tow best 100 bucks your spend
So what you are saying is that 4 250lb guys come close to the max payload of a 3/4 ton truck? Anyone else have a problem with this? Don't get me wrong i LOVE THIS TRUCK!!! it is the ultimate Zombie Apocalypse vehicle! As we prepare for Hurricane Dorian, I am wishing I had one! But the fact still remains that this 3/4 ton truck has a payload of 4 large size adults.
No J2807 curb weight may include 2 150lb. occupants one driver and one passenger both weighing 150lbs. each. Then payload capacity on top of that.
So it's basically oversized ATV. With 1100 lb payload if you want to tow 10k you need 100lb driver to stay legal.
Weight distribution hitch.
@@grisa12345 It's weight distribution hitch not weigh elimination hitch.
I can say same argument as you said - "It's not avg person who will take this truck to Moab desert for the off road" , same I can say it's not every buyer will tow 15,00-0 lbs ! It's a very small percentage people tow anything at all! Most farmers will 350 or 3500 diesel anyway for tow, or even with dual rear tires for 15,000 lbs and plus Come on it's stupid to say .
Can you do one with the raptor
Pathetic payload I hope the tremor doesn't have this problem
Yes it will. These 'off road' trucks have off road shocks and springs, this is what makes them work so well off road. But with that, you sacrifice it's load capacity. If capacity is a concern, go get a 2500 Cummins Diesel.
@@tlaselva beat me to it.
If you want payload, don't buy a vehicle that's off-road oriented. Shock absorbing capability, ride compliance and articulation compromise load carrying capability. It's all about trade-offs. You can't have everything.
Even the Raptor has a much lower payload than an F-150 because it is an off-road truck.
anything with soft, off road suspension will have this problem
i drive a '16 King Ranch and i'm looking at this new truck. i don't tow. once in a year maybe. this would work for me. Paylod is pathetic. mine is 1700lb payload.
The Honda ridgeline has a better payload.
I love the truck but very very disappointed in the payload and towing . This truck was in my top 3 picks for my new purchase but not anymore☹️. NEXT!!!!
Payload numbers are not accurate. The 2020s got about 1500lbs of payload. And you can easily get another 500 to jump it up to 2000lbs of payload with different springs. The 10,000 for towing is correct though.
Any chance you could check the tire and axle ratings and maybe give us an idea what exactly is limiting the payload?
sonictech1000
It’s the springs, they are designed to handle off road conditions and not towing or hauling.
Can u do the 19 rebel next?
I did one already: ua-cam.com/video/3dENxDkSksM/v-deo.html
Nice truck
I need one of these new power wagons to load on a trailer to tow behind my 3500 high output Cummins. Then I can go play off-road, and trailer the truck there.
Payload is lower than a minivan, like Honda Odyssey.
"If you guys don't support your local EMS as well as fire and first responders"... BIG props for not including police. They're also the difference between life and death, but they end a lot more lives than they save.
What a sad statement and totally untrue.
Just load that freaking thing up
with all the limitations what would you do with this truck?
It has no limitations. I have one and it will do everything a normal person would ever do. I pull a 30 foot trailer, put as much Lumber as you can fit into it, pull a 30-foot sailboat, no issues at all.
If you want it a truck for industrial use, or pulling a huge fifth wheel this is not your truck. This truck is ideal for people that live in Snow Country or anywhere with dirt roads.
D K Oh cool. So you knowingly ignore that cute little yellow/white sticker in the jam.
@@THETOPGLOCK a 30ft trailer or sailboat doesn't mean he's exceeding the capacity.
HandcuffCharlie Have you ever heard the term “tongue weight”? It all comes off of the very little payload this truck has. So yes..the limits are very easily exceeded.
It's all paperwork
Has nothing to do with its limits. It's no different than a regular 2500 in the rearend. It's legal crap that ram has turned the 2500 into
At least it has a winch as standard. I was expecting more in payload but it can't do it all.
Light duty 3/4 ton not a full on 3/4 ton truck. Its mission is off road. And a mount a ma deuce or mk 19 -40mm lol!
Your wrong, I would be out in the desert all day if I owned this truck or at least going off road every weekend
Do you think this could tow the grand design 290bh. It’s from there 150 series
My F150 has towing of 11,200 and payload of of 1586. That trucks sucks
You’re comparing apples to oranges, though. It doesn’t mean the Power Wagon sucks, it means you don’t understand how your vehicle compares to this one. Your truck’s rated to tow & haul more than a Raptor, too- does it mean they suck too?
Now this seems like a crock. Payload capacity and tongue weights are less than that of a half ton but 7-8,000 dry weight trailer is fine. Make up your mind.