K&T 2HL Part 2

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  • @billdlv
    @billdlv 12 років тому

    Keith thanks for taking the time to make the 2 videos on the 2HL mill. The mill looks great I really appreciate the craftsmanship of old machinery, and the craftsmanship in restoring it.
    I really enjoyed the photos and the story behind how you got the mill. Its great that you had the foresight to take them during the process.

  • @loftsatsympaticodotc
    @loftsatsympaticodotc 6 років тому

    Keith, you are doing the heavy-duty machinists a big favor with your videos. It's valuable- you - dispensing knowledge and tips with your DIY restoration info. We have an identical K&T 2HL going to a new home with Doc Wilson in N. Tennessee. We sold the slotting head to Ryan in S. Tennessee, (he has a pair of these mills). He's doing a great job restoring the rusted Monarch 16 " Toolroom lathe we sold him 2+ years ago. Cheers to all you enthusiasts. Machineco, Montreal. (PS- that was also our comment at Loft Party 2 yr. ago, below.)

  • @crockteerden4023
    @crockteerden4023 6 років тому +1

    I worked at K-T renewment div.and worked on your type of machine and head attachments. Brings
    back a lot of good memories. A good company and quality machines. Nice job of your repairs and replacement parts.

  • @imbuilder
    @imbuilder 11 років тому

    Superb rebuild job on the K&T, Keith. It's great that you got that machine; can't understand why the company would let it go - for one of the deals of the century! Thanks for the tour.

  • @not2fast4u2c
    @not2fast4u2c 11 років тому

    What a Machine to have Looking at all the pictures and seeing it brought back to life was Great to see and the work it has done for you was also neat to see Thanks for sharing this with us

  • @Cavemannspace
    @Cavemannspace 8 років тому +2

    Machines of that era are monuments to human engineering. What a wonderful piece of equipment. Glad it landed in capable hands. Neat stuff indeed.

  • @hakimmic
    @hakimmic 11 років тому

    That truly is the king of mills. It makes my Bridgeport look like a drill press. I enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing.
    George.

  • @MWL4466
    @MWL4466 11 років тому

    Real nice mill Keith. Great job on the re-build. We had a similar machine in the shop I work at, a German made Fritz-Werner mill. They are very versatile, and it was a sad day when we finally had to retire it. It sure didn't owe them anything. They got a lot of production from it over the year's.

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    Thanks Stan,
    The K&T model H ser# 22-6059
    The slotting head # is 9 over line then 5983
    The universal head# is 6 over line then 4575
    Cheers, Keith

  • @joetiller1031
    @joetiller1031 8 років тому

    That's one hell of a machine, great job restoring it.

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 11 років тому

    Got to loveOld American Iron. My Cincinnati #4 loves to eat steel and cast. I machined a transmission case the other day and I thought I was going to need a skid steer to keep from getting buried in chips!!LOL .250DOC on an 8"shell mill sure makes a pile fast!! I love your vids. i get a lot of good ideas from watching you.

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    My one room with all my big machines is only 16' by 18' and my machines are fully fuctional, clearance & travels... I would go for the universal milling machine before a bridgeport or spindle mill, specially if you have a drill press too! I know that spindle mills are a time a dozen, $1500 all day long stripped...

  • @novaman68
    @novaman68 9 років тому

    Thank you, thank you, thank you! I bought a K&T 1H UNIV and haven't had much luck finding any information about it. These 2 videos were a huge help!

    • @AtelierDBurgoyne
      @AtelierDBurgoyne 8 років тому

      Have you looked at all the documentation on Kearney & Trecker at vintagemachinery.com?

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    @ArtemiaSalina No it doesn't have a clapper box, its more like the slotting head made for the Bridgeports...
    It makes sence though, a clapper box mostly relies on gravity in a horizontal plane...
    Although a Spring in the right place would surpass...

  • @millomweb
    @millomweb 3 роки тому

    Best video yet of the K&T 2. Interesting the spindle reverse is mechanical but I guess that's down to the fact the motor is driving other things. Mine has 3 motors - spindle, coolant & rapids so to reverse the spindle is just an electric switch........but that reverses the feeds too - so mine has a feed reverse lever to 'correct' that. The universal head on mine is also 2-axes but also 2 speed. It also has a height extension - that goes onto the machine to engage the main spindle gear, the the head goes on top of that - giving extra vertical space - BUT that extra gear also reverses the head spindle direction - so we're playing with main motor direction and feed reversal again !

  • @Polypropellor
    @Polypropellor 11 років тому

    Thanks Keith- One of the best informative vids on UA-cam! I really enjoyed it.

  • @MaturePatriot
    @MaturePatriot 4 роки тому

    Thanks so much for these videos. Now that I will probably have a 2HL in a few days, Good Lord willing! I may have to ask for some advice....every now and then. LOL Praying 2020 in very kind to you.

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  11 років тому

    I have never had to get in and readjust my rapid clutch since I have rebuilt it in 1993. I don't baby it and I use the machine as mush as any of the other since then. I only run medium hydraulic fluid as main gear oil, from day one. ;{)-----

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    @Wimseys I not sure on exact year, and your propably real close, it was a popular machine along with Cincinnati machine around WW2, so the old timers talked about...

  • @jimmyboles3409
    @jimmyboles3409 10 місяців тому

    Second time I watched these two videos and just love it, actually I have located one of the k& t 2HL mill and I am going to purchase if I can but one has the draw bar missing ,
    Thanks for you’re videos Kieth

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    @fart1fart1 The telescoping tubes are the coolent return back down from the table to the sump...

  • @PetefromTn
    @PetefromTn 12 років тому

    Oh man that is a pretty adaptable and useful machine. I have been looking for a nice machine like that for my shop to go along with my VMC for the rest of the things a mill can be used for. this kind of machine would work great with just the horizontal and vertical millheads, let alone that shaper attatchment thing. Very nice man and thanks for sharing. Peace
    Pete

  • @StreuB1
    @StreuB1 9 років тому

    ID gear hobbing with a K&T shaper attachment.....rotated 90deg for clearance
    Line boring a captured large diameter interrupted cut operation
    You sir, are a badass!!! :-D

  • @loftparty7984
    @loftparty7984 8 років тому +1

    Keith, that's a slotting, not broaching head. Broaches have multiple teeth each tooth a few thou. higher than the previous one. Of course both can be used for keyways, but the slotting head tooling costs a tiny fraction of precision broaches. The round top bars, as were common on K&T and B&S mills, compose the 'Overarm'. The Drawbar, is what pulls the Arbor into the spindle nose taper cone (same as on a Bridgeport and most all milling machines). The outboard arbor support you refer to as a 'carrier' and both the arbor holding the milling cutters AND its retention threaded rod you call 'drawbars'. Sorry for the criticisms, but conventional nomenclature for machine tools seems to have taken a huge hit on UA-cam :-( Thanks for this excellent video of the multi-functions of these great older machines.
    Sorry I didn't see this 2 years ago. We have a K&T #2, which surprisingly arrived WITH the slotting head installed. The arbor support was stored on the rear extension of the twin overarms. I'd like to set it up one day, or sell the whole machine with it working if you know anyone. Great superior older American iron, these machines! Also we loved the pics of your mill in action (and the music... :-)) (40 yrs selling machine tools)

  • @stanleyrodgers3375
    @stanleyrodgers3375 12 років тому

    My pleasure Keith, I have a copy of K&T's mfg. records.
    Your mill: One of a lot of 25 1H and 2HL horizontals manufactured August, 1949.
    Your slotting attachment: One of a lot of 25 2H slotting attachments manufactured March, 1948.
    Your universal head: One of a lot of 30 1H and 2H heavy duty universal mill attachments manufactured April, 1943.
    All were manufacured before either of us were born and are still going strong. Good stuff!
    Stan

  • @FRUNTCASTER
    @FRUNTCASTER 12 років тому

    That machine is sweet! And the operator is pretty neat too. :D

  • @thevillageinn
    @thevillageinn 12 років тому

    @KEF791 - lol I realized I had missed part 1 after I commented so I'll be watching that one soon. Thanks for sharing the videos of your solutions to shop problems. I always enjoy seeing someone else's methods for dealing with things - whether it's a machining operation or storage - all quite enjoyable and educational.

  • @BruceBoschek
    @BruceBoschek 12 років тому

    Wonderful machine and as always, wonderful video. Thanks!

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  11 років тому

    Thanks for the comment, and I think you are right on the motor change out, but I think better and or cheaper in long run, to add phase converter. ;{)-----

  • @HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP
    @HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP 9 років тому +6

    It's nice to see an "Oldie but goodie" fall into the hands of someone who cares enough, and will restore it and put it back to work. I can imagine- that in your capable hands- it has more than paid for itself by now. It would be good practice to flush half a gallon of ATF through it & drain & refill with some quality Lubriplate or similar; I would definitely stay away from synthetics with older machines- they just leak out faster. Do you have the sewing needle-stitch attachment for that Jumping Jack?

    • @millomweb
      @millomweb 3 роки тому

      Interesting to note you think the oil leaks out faster with synthetic. Why flush with ATF ? Am interested in flushing due to sight glass clouding up !

    • @HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP
      @HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP 3 роки тому

      @@millomweb Synthetic oil's molecules are more uniform than irregular conventional oils. Synthetics don't _cause_ leaks- they will magnify any existing.
      ATF is a Lithium soap. The sight glass is cloudy from moisture,
      being churned into the oil. As directed- without harshly de lubricating
      the system- conventional ATF will float away contaminates that
      attract moisture. Sea Foam works about the same, and should
      be added to the new oil after flushing, to keep everything free & dry.

    • @millomweb
      @millomweb 3 роки тому

      @@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP Are our interpretations of ATF the same ? What's yours ?

    • @HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP
      @HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP 3 роки тому

      @@millomweb I'm sorry- I don't understand your question.

  • @bendavtx
    @bendavtx 11 років тому

    What an amazing machine. The castings on the feed rate dial are beautiful. These are details not found on any modern machine.

  • @alphonse23100
    @alphonse23100 11 років тому

    Votre machine est réellement fantastique, merci pour cette présentation.

  • @repalmore
    @repalmore 12 років тому

    I may never touch a k&t but I like anything mechanical like that. Love the old iron. Seems to last longer and even when a bit worn can still get good work out it.

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  11 років тому

    It has the slotting or broaching head that automatically control the stroke to shape the teeth of the gear. ;{)---

  • @rlsimpso
    @rlsimpso 12 років тому

    Thanks for posting the videos of this mill. I have been curious about it since seeing it in your videos. It looks like a very good machine. Please post a video of the broaching head if you use it any time soon. It looks like it could be used horizontally to function like a shaper. Thanks again.

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    Yes, the 3 phase is more cost efficient, than single phase but not that much of a power difference on the loads. You could pick up a phase convertor instead! ;{)---

  • @ChrisJB84
    @ChrisJB84 12 років тому

    Awesome video again! And Answered all of my questions I had about it lol. Well except for one, if you had to choose between this and your Bridgeport, which one would you choose? And why? Im in the process of acquiring some machines, and have a 21x26 shop to put them in. Kinda limited on space lol. Thanks!

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    No the ways were in fare condition, because the handles were broke off before I got it and it had sat for some time with no use...

  • @paulreider
    @paulreider 11 років тому

    Interesting stuff Keith thanks for posting...btw, your vids are the best keep em coming...

  • @thaiexodus2916
    @thaiexodus2916 8 років тому +2

    Of course one has to wonder what a comparable mill would cost today. And by comparable, from the massive main body casting on out to the little fluff like the oil flow sight window.
    I'm reminded of a Parks planer my buddy's kids inherited that had been improved by a master machinist (including over 40 lbs of brazing rod). The kids were considering selling it for $1500. I took them on a little tour of a comparable planer tipping the scales at $15000. Then pointed out thanks to the modification where it would accept a timber 12" by 24" they would be talking $60,000+. The Parks was built like the brick shithouse like this K&T.

  • @tcarney57
    @tcarney57 9 років тому +2

    Hey, I've been meaning to ask about one piece of music you use a lot. It's the one that plays during the slide show of photos in this video beginning about 8:30. What is that and who's the group/musician? Thanks!

    • @jayphilipwilliams
      @jayphilipwilliams 8 років тому +1

      +Todd Carney I've wondered the same thing. Probably from UA-cam's library of free music. Cool tune.

  • @FISHBREATHH
    @FISHBREATHH 12 років тому

    there is alot to learn in this world.............thanks, this is some cool stuff

  • @djberg3483
    @djberg3483 7 років тому

    Wow! i have never seen a shaper attachment for a mill, that is beyond cool!
    i may have to heckle you a bit l more on the old k&t's just got my 1928 plain no.3 vertical home(2 days ago), and just starting to go over it to see what's what with it. only missing piece so far is tge coolant pump, i see where it mounts, but nothing there.

  • @morammo
    @morammo 12 років тому

    Keith, I've seen a lot of machinists in my time, some good, some bad. You are a cut above the rest !! There are not many of you guys left and, that's not good for the Country !! Seems like nobody wants to get their hands dirty today. I enjoy your great videos. Thank you.

  • @rescobar8572
    @rescobar8572 9 років тому

    Keith I've asked Tubal for some videos on cutting chain sprockets. He has replied that he's never really done them. My question for you is could you do a video on cutting, and explaining the details of chain sprockets? I would really love to begin cutting 530 and 630 motorcycle chain sprockets, both the output transmission shaft and wheel sprocket sides. Thanks!
    Nice 3 generation picture by the way! !!

  • @jayphilipwilliams
    @jayphilipwilliams 8 років тому

    What a cool machine!

  • @llamas8601
    @llamas8601 9 років тому

    that's a beautiful machine I bet it's one of your prize posesions

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    If I had the right index head I'd do some helical cutting, I have never changed the table angle since I first reassembled it during the refurbishment...
    I still have that Shaper and a small Southbend Shaper also, plan on doing a video sometime down the road, as you have been following, you know everyone whats to see it all, LOL...

  • @guubagaaba8391
    @guubagaaba8391 10 років тому +3

    hey keith,nice set of videos !!! just curious.....is that your dad holding your son in those pictures ? and.... is there anything you can't build or repair ....i mean wow ,i don't think i've ever heard of or known anybody who can do everything....until now !!!!!!!! keep kicking it !!!!!!

    • @KeithFenner
      @KeithFenner  10 років тому +1

      Thanks for the comment! yeah that is my dad! ;{)------

  • @stanleyrodgers3375
    @stanleyrodgers3375 12 років тому

    Nice mill. Rigid, powerful, and versatile. Perfect for work in your shop that is too much for the Bridgeport to handle. I'm going to try to find one, once I complete the addition to my workshop so I have room for it. Did you have to rescrape the ways/slides?

  • @thevillageinn
    @thevillageinn 12 років тому

    Looks like you've got most every attachment made for your mill - did you buy it so well equipped or have you been able to find (and afford) the attachments? Do you have the rotary table setup as well for gear hobbing?
    I've used a Cincinnati 2MH - not quite as much machine as you have, but it also doesn't have any attachments which limits some operations and requires some imaginative setups for some others.

  • @jimsanker989
    @jimsanker989 11 років тому

    I have the same basic machine, but I use mine only as a horizontal production mill. It run just about every day all day. I have a problem with the main clutch assemble. Needs rebuilding every couple years, springs balls between two faces. Havn't been able to find parts for this. Any infromation were to find parts would be appreciated very much. Very nice machine inside, everything looks so nice. We keep it well lobed. Enjoying your videos during the winter. JIM

  • @wb8ujb
    @wb8ujb 11 років тому +1

    Keith, forgive me if this is a dumb question. You mentioned the Jumping Jack head. Would that be like a Shaper? In college, I used a shaper and have never seen one since.

    • @KeithFenner
      @KeithFenner  11 років тому

      Similar to a shaper but not clapper box! ;{)-----

  • @Keith_Ward
    @Keith_Ward 12 років тому

    Wow, they just don't make them like that any more. Nice stills of gear making! Thanks for sharing.

  • @spiderprime84
    @spiderprime84 12 років тому

    Sei un grande ..ciao da Genova
    You are the best .. bye bye from Genova

  • @ww321
    @ww321 12 років тому

    I can see a couple differences between yours and mine. I have 3 belt drive with next size smaller belts. Mine also has a handle to crank out the horizontal supports. I never could get mine to move but that's no biggie as I have no horizontal support or tooling .

  • @GK1918
    @GK1918 11 років тому

    Brilliant design, If mine it would be in my living room. I never thought I would ever
    see another. My father used to hang with the guys at Paragon Gear Works a mile
    down the road they had one. And also what in your boxes? Actually a lot of my
    stuff came from Paragon. Maybe smuggeled out in lunch boxes. eeeks. sam

  • @mikebramel
    @mikebramel 11 років тому

    Very nice. How did you use this machine to make the brass housing with internal gears. Does it have a automatic broach or did you slide forth and back manually. Thank you

  • @stanleyrodgers3375
    @stanleyrodgers3375 12 років тому

    Thanks! Still plenty to see/think about in the vids already uploaded...I notice something new every time I re-watch one!

  • @ArtemiaSalina
    @ArtemiaSalina 12 років тому

    Keith, excellent channel! I'm going through all of your videos and they are great! Tell me, does that slotting head have a clapper box like on a shaper or does it drag the tool bit on the back stroke? I ask because I'd like to build a slotting head for my Hardinge horizontal miller some day but it's hard to find info on accessory slotting heads (I don't think Hardinge even made one at all for my miller). Thanks!

  • @Mr1982shawn
    @Mr1982shawn 11 років тому

    Hey Keith in the pictures at the end, is that a Narex Boring head your using?

  • @stanleyrodgers3375
    @stanleyrodgers3375 12 років тому

    Hi Keith! In your 20 year old photos (Part 1) I saw a shaper in the corner behind the K&T. Do you still own it? If so, have you considered featuring it in a future vid? If you still own it, I'd guess you seldom use it since the way the K&T is tooled, it will do the same operations much faster. Have you ever milled anything that required swinging the universal table (i.e., helical gears, spiral flutes) or do you think you would have been just as happy with a plain table machine? Thanks!!

  • @metalworksmachineshop
    @metalworksmachineshop 4 роки тому

    Had to go back in time a bit to find this. I just picked up a 2h . It is a little bigger with a 50 tapper spindle. Id like to find a vertical head for it.

  • @randyz1592
    @randyz1592 11 років тому

    best salesman that K&T never had.

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    @rlsimpso It can, in fact in the photo set at the end of video I shaped the internal gear teeth in that bronze ring, just don't have the clapper head. I will video the next time I use it, also if I use eather of my two shapers...

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    @thevillageinn In part 1 I show how I got the machine. yes I do have a dividing head for gear cutting shown in the photo set at the end of part two, its a bit big for the machine but works well... Most of the attachments I recieved around the same time as the mill but were missing drive gears...

  • @Joeyardmaster40155
    @Joeyardmaster40155 11 років тому

    Hi Keith, That thing is kink of like a one ton Multi-tool .

  • @gregoryscottsr
    @gregoryscottsr 12 років тому

    OH! the jumping jack on the end. cool.

  • @jimzivny1554
    @jimzivny1554 8 років тому

    The second head works similar to a shaper? I know it's a different machine. Do you still have the blue shaper that is in the old pictures in the garage? Haven't seen it in any videos. personally I like a shaper, probably cause it's a reminder of high school shop where I was addicted to metalworking.

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  12 років тому

    I felt hurt, the day I broke one off in a 1 3/8" hole, with the K&T...

  • @javierramires2814
    @javierramires2814 5 років тому

    I alway appreciated that can of machinery

  • @PaulHigginbothamSr
    @PaulHigginbothamSr 3 роки тому

    Rucker is having trouble with his clutch slipping on fast traverse. Now only on z axis table lift after he put all new springs and the balls were 8mm instead of 5/16. Probably the ball seats under the springs in the clutch are damaged from the wrong size balls. Not sure he has figured out a cure for the slip yet on his KT. Probably needs a new plate for the ball seats.

  • @EarthshipFreedom
    @EarthshipFreedom 12 років тому

    I feel like im in machining school.love it!

  • @DieselCrawler86
    @DieselCrawler86 12 років тому

    Your youtube videos are wonderful, when are you going to write your "how to be a conventional machinist" hand book? Because I will per order now.

  • @arturobayangos1223
    @arturobayangos1223 2 роки тому

    Very simple . Very good .

  • @jeromecarter4481
    @jeromecarter4481 3 роки тому

    Do you have any video showing how to remove the table?

  • @chennemeyer
    @chennemeyer 7 років тому

    Love that machine

  • @gordbaker896
    @gordbaker896 7 років тому

    Very informative. Thanks

  • @KeithFenner
    @KeithFenner  11 років тому

    That is a chandler duplex head. ;{)-----

    • @millomweb
      @millomweb 3 роки тому

      It doesn't look like you're replying correctly to comments - your replies are therefore appearing as new comments - and we don't know what they're replying to !

  • @BillyTpower
    @BillyTpower 10 років тому +1

    hey keith, can you upload a video of that broaching head at work.

    • @KeithFenner
      @KeithFenner  10 років тому

      I have several already using it! try Stroken Spline series ;{)-----

    • @BillyTpower
      @BillyTpower 10 років тому

      will do thanks

  • @johnthayjr4237
    @johnthayjr4237 7 років тому

    Sweet . Old Tool Maker
    JT Hay Fort Worth Texas

  • @tfp777
    @tfp777 12 років тому

    Thank you, good stuff :-)

  • @ChrisJB84
    @ChrisJB84 12 років тому

    Thank you!!

  • @milohiscox
    @milohiscox 11 років тому

    best video on youtube!

  • @stanleyrodgers3375
    @stanleyrodgers3375 12 років тому

    Keith if you would like to post the serial number, I can reply with the month of manufacture! Same for the accessories.

  • @1995jug
    @1995jug 11 років тому

    That's one hell of a machine, you wont find anything like that from china.

  • @PMPiper86
    @PMPiper86 11 років тому

    makes me want to buy a knee mill.....

  • @eliduttman315
    @eliduttman315 10 років тому +2

    Keith,
    That's an impressive machine, but not as impressive as the owner/operator.
    It's been more than 50 years since I used a milling machine in H.S. machine shop. IIRC, they were Cincinnati and were permanently set up with the overarm arbor support.
    Frankly, I SUCK as a machinist. Electronic soldering is more my speed.
    Keep educating us dingbats.
    Eli D.

  • @jacquesbaltazard9907
    @jacquesbaltazard9907 7 років тому

    je trouve que ses films sont matériel et certaine façon de travailler ressemble a > abom79< aurait t'il copier

  • @Mr1982shawn
    @Mr1982shawn 11 років тому

    Stan what can you tell me about this K&T #6-4224