Thank you for answering the questions I had on IG a while, especially regarding the radiator and intercooler size. You gave me the motivation to finish the conversion in mine. Would definitely love to see more videos about the car. Especially the numbers it's making with the smaller pulley etc.
Killer build. Here in The States I’m dreaming of building one with an EVO II body kit, DTM livery, and a Toyota BEAMS 3SGE on ITBs. Have to get started while they’re still relatively cheap and available.
Man you don’t understand how helpful this was dude please make more videos I went on the forum and I don’t know if I was on the right one but most had negative thoughts and didn’t even help a little and face book people are donuts and say go read for my self in the forums lol I’m obviously going to keep getting knowledge but thanks
Your Video is propably the Best out there! I didnt find most of the Info anywhere Else online! I‘m motivated to try it on my 1.8 too because the Engine is Not Bad but also Not very powerful and also thirsty AF, I think the Stock 2.3 wouldnt Even Consume more fuel if Driven the Same Style
@@dutch.190e I have many swapped Cars, mostly BMW. I always liked the 2.3K Engine and think it should be a Perfect match for the w201. I actually have to get myself informed about the ECU and how much trouble it is to use the 197hp evo Version instead of the normal 193hp old version. I will get a complete car because I didnt like it to buy Part for Part when you need some, and 230s are (today - 2024) veeery affordable. What I like is the fact that you told us about the Engine Mounts! I didnt knew there were some ones out there that Are just Bolt on! How about your brakes? I swapped mine to the ones from w124 300-24 with 4 Pistons and those Are very good brakes! But you need to run 17“ which Not everybody likes.
Thank you Jari, nice and helpful short summary for your swap project! I have 2002 SLK 230 car as a donor car and I will use for my 1986 190D swap. I would like to use the stock ECU from the donor car, what do I have to do to disable all the unnecessary features like immobilizers, traction control and other safety features?
Thanks! Good luck with the swap! Removing those futures would involve some programming in the stock ecu, you would have to find someone that can do that for you. I had difficulties finding someone willing to do it as I had the ecu and engine all apart already. Usually they want the whole car in their shop do to the programming. So if your 230 still drives I would recommend to get the immo and other futures removed first, and then take the car apart.
I got no ac on this car. Not sure how difficult it is to make the m111 ac pump work with the 190e ac system. My standalone ecu does support controlling ac, so that part would be easy
Subscribed and followed. I've had my 190e for 2 years and im planning on it being my first self-built project car. This video is a great resource and one that i will come back to in the future. thanks for the overview. Which car did you get the engine from?
Hi I'm looking to put a stand alone ecu in my Benz and I heard u say u liked the master black stand alone ecu so I went to look them up and they have a lot of different ones which one did u go with?
@@dutch.190e thanks for replying back 😋 I am planning to go standalone as well. Will the flywheel & clutch from the donor SLK230 work or it’s preferable to use the clutch kit you mentioned in your video details?
Love it. For someone who's never done an engine swap before but wants to do similiar 190E m102 -> 2.3m m111k swap, what donor car would you recommend to get the engine from and is it better to have the 190e m102 with ke-jetronic than with carbunator or does it matter? Also if I want to go with turbo instead of supercharger is there a huge advantage to go with stock kompressor 2.3 vs. the stock NA 2.3 as a base? Because if I'm not looking forward to opening the engine for gapping the rings etc. if possible. Tysm
I got mine from an R170 SLK 230, would recommend getting it from something similar. I had the ke-jetronic version, but I think it would be no different with the carb version. If they have the same transmission at least. For going turbo you would have to go with the kompressor version, it runs lower compression for the boost. So the N/A wouldn't work well without a rebuild.
@@mag1cks251 if you use a carb car, you'd have to sacrifice the electric fuel pump from the donor also... not sure about the fuels lines itself. Just a hint;-)
The best engine to get is the M111.973 or M111.975 out of the SLK R170 230 Kompressor. Has the best internals and has the lower compression ratio. Also if you plan on goin turbo, you'll have to source the aluminium intake manifold as the stock plastic one will break with boost. The m111.973 also has the space in the head to use the aluminium manifold as the injectores have the point inside the head itself.
great stuff. what size diameter is the tubing from the throttle body and to the intake filter? Using that tubing helps utilize the space better for the radiator and intercooler! also helps in linking the intercooler to the supercharger. very neat engine bay
Question for you. I’m pretty close to finishing my set up. I’m about to install my header so I can get the rest of the exhaust made. I’m about to delete the EGR. Is there a bolt size you have to plug the existing EGR stuff?
@@dutch.190e could you upload a video when you get one? LSD's for this car are really really hard to find, so far I managed to only find one and its for the 2.3-16 transmission i believe, however a website told me its still compatible with the normal 5 speed transmission.
I have an m11k in my c230 I was going to use. Figured it'll be the same with a standalone ECU. Was going to go with the ECU masters but they seem to be outta stock, how long did it take you get yours? Otherwise I might just go mega squirt
The official dutch ecumaster dealer had them in stock when I bought them. So I could just pick it up, no waiting time. Kinda sucks that they're out of stock! I would recommend it over mega squirt.
Im wondering if the m111 fits the stock 4spd transmission, also i want to know if the sf1001 conversion kit will work, because i cant find the 1002 anywhere
I think the bolt pattern is the same, if so it should fit. not sure if the 4spd is strong enough though. There are alternatives for the sf1002 kits. the rymec website has a cross reference tool for finding alternatives
@@paavorahkonen7634 good question, I'm about at the same point. Already bought a 1997 CLK donor car, which has the electronic ignition switch and the immobilizer. But already found a company in Austria, who can deactivate the immo with just the engine computer sent via Mail to them. This should reduce some hassles. But then on, we´d have to find a wiring diagram to find out, what infos the engine needs, to run. Something i found out also is, that these 230K cars get their speed info via the ABS/ASR sensors, thats why you weather put in the donor's electronic speedo and warning lights etc., or transform a newer gearbox to manual speedo drive... Hope that helps a little. I'm no electronic expert myself, but would prefer to run the original ECU also🙂
klopt, de originele past niet en die van de m111 zelf ook niet. Iemand met dezelfde swap had mij verteld dat ik de Rymec sf1002 kit kon gebruiken. je moet wel een hoop wegslijpen en aanpassen voordat ook deze goed past. ik weet niet of er betere alternatieven zijn
@@dutch.190e ah oke, in iedergeval bedankt voor je antwoord. Ik zat er zelf aan te denken aan het vliegwiel van een w124 220e. Deze zou op de m111 moeten passen en naar mijn weten heeft die ook nog de oude bak (met km kabel). Maar hier heb ik nog geen bevestiging over
Hey Jari, ten eerste kudos voor de ombouw! Ben op dit moment met eenzelfde project bezig; heb op dit moment 1 vraag en dat is waar je de elektrische fan gekocht hebt voor dit type radiator? Heb je toevallig een link?
Bedankt! De ventilator heb ik bij QSP products gekocht. Hier is de link: www.qspproducts.nl/en/sp30101507/SP30101507-SPAL-fan-330-mm-qsp-products veel succes met de swap! :)
@@dutch.190e thanks for quick reply man👍 I might have some more questions in future. Planning to do the same in the future, got w124 m111 legs already😄 but at the moment sourcing for parts to convert mine to manual
if you use stock ecu you can make it work, but with standalone you also need a separate controller for the transmission. but I think with both it will be quite difficult
It will work but if you use stock ecu you need to have matching ignition for the motor. if you mix and match you will have problems so get everything off a single car if you plan to go stock ecu.
@@dutch.190e also what is the rpm limit? We are planning to build a 190e specifically for track use and planning to get linear power curve with approx 350hp so supercharger is what we would love to retain & avoid turbocharger. Just want to know the limit of supercharger poweroutput
@@hrautocustoms2468 My engine maxes out at 6500 rpm currently. And my supercharger to about 14k rpm. You can make the supercharger go to 16k rpm for short amounts of time safely. Not sure for how long that would run reliably tho. If you also get it ported a lot more power can be unlocked. 😁 Are you also swapping engine internals? I’ve heard of some people blowing it up beyond 340hp.
@@dutch.190e honestly, I have not done my r&d on this engine. No plans to do the engine internal build. A k20/24 would be better choice for that but ease of fitment and being true mercedes driveline is what I am wanting m111 for.
@@hrautocustoms2468 I feel like the m104 would be a better fit for 350+hp. They can make insane amounts of power on stock internals. But then a turbo would be the better choice
Thank you for answering the questions I had on IG a while, especially regarding the radiator and intercooler size. You gave me the motivation to finish the conversion in mine. Would definitely love to see more videos about the car. Especially the numbers it's making with the smaller pulley etc.
Good luck with the swap! for sure gonna make more videos 😄 definitely want to make one going on the dyno when the injectors are upgraded
Killer build. Here in The States I’m dreaming of building one with an EVO II body kit, DTM livery, and a Toyota BEAMS 3SGE on ITBs. Have to get started while they’re still relatively cheap and available.
Man you don’t understand how helpful this was dude please make more videos I went on the forum and I don’t know if I was on the right one but most had negative thoughts and didn’t even help a little and face book people are donuts and say go read for my self in the forums lol I’m obviously going to keep getting knowledge but thanks
no problem dude! glad I helped 😁 more video’s coming soon
Your Video is propably the Best out there! I didnt find most of the Info anywhere Else online! I‘m motivated to try it on my 1.8 too because the Engine is Not Bad but also Not very powerful and also thirsty AF, I think the Stock 2.3 wouldnt Even Consume more fuel if Driven the Same Style
Good luck! For sure worth it. Fuel consumption is very decent on these engines when driven normally 😁
@@dutch.190e I have many swapped Cars, mostly BMW. I always liked the 2.3K Engine and think it should be a Perfect match for the w201. I actually have to get myself informed about the ECU and how much trouble it is to use the 197hp evo Version instead of the normal 193hp old version. I will get a complete car because I didnt like it to buy Part for Part when you need some, and 230s are (today - 2024) veeery affordable.
What I like is the fact that you told us about the Engine Mounts! I didnt knew there were some ones out there that Are just Bolt on!
How about your brakes? I swapped mine to the ones from w124 300-24 with 4 Pistons and those Are very good brakes! But you need to run 17“ which Not everybody likes.
Great build! Enjoy that w201
Thanks! :)
Very tidy setup of this swap you put together!
very nice, stock brakes are crazy tho
Yeah they will be upgraded soon haha they overheat way too fast
Looking forward to your next video on this sick build. Liked and subscribed 👍
Same 🔥
You can also use OM601 engine mounts. Like i did. They are wayyy more common.
Will the *722.6 5spd automatic* from the donor car not fit in the W201?
@@Matt_from_Florida should fit but you’ll have to modify the shifter linkage to get it to sit correctly. My donor had an automatic so I had no option
You are a BEAST!!!
Inspiring man! I just got a 190e Cosworth shell. Looking to do this.
Hi my Friend, what ECU did you use? Did it come with a loom?
I am doing the exact same swap but where stuck on a ECU?
Any help much appreciated
Hi, I've used the Ecumaster Black. I reused as much of the original wiring harness as possible, only added a few wires for the wideband o2 sensor
@@dutch.190e thank you very much,
Would you possibly have any info on the wires that u used etc
Thank you Jari, nice and helpful short summary for your swap project! I have 2002 SLK 230 car as a donor car and I will use for my 1986 190D swap. I would like to use the stock ECU from the donor car, what do I have to do to disable all the unnecessary features like immobilizers, traction control and other safety features?
Thanks! Good luck with the swap! Removing those futures would involve some programming in the stock ecu, you would have to find someone that can do that for you. I had difficulties finding someone willing to do it as I had the ecu and engine all apart already. Usually they want the whole car in their shop do to the programming. So if your 230 still drives I would recommend to get the immo and other futures removed first, and then take the car apart.
Nice build. I’ve been following this for a while. I’m seriously considering this. I was wondering if the ac is working?
I got no ac on this car. Not sure how difficult it is to make the m111 ac pump work with the 190e ac system. My standalone ecu does support controlling ac, so that part would be easy
Hi can I ask some questions about the flywheel, what did you do about the crank position sensor and what clutch are you using?
Many thanks
Josh
Nice video mate 💪
thanks! 😁
Hi Jari, can you say what for engine mounts do you use on the left and right side and the rubber mounting please? Best regards Michael
Nice job! 👍
Can you please tell me how connect the wiring to the m111 and do I just change the ECU from 102 to 111?
I went with a standalone ecu, so all the wiring was redone
Are the interior electronics. (windows and roof) effected by the swap?
I don't think that should be an issue. I don't have electric windows and roof, so I can't say for sure
Welke motor steunen heb je gebruikt? Of heb je die zelf gemaakt?
Subscribed and followed. I've had my 190e for 2 years and im planning on it being my first self-built project car. This video is a great resource and one that i will come back to in the future. thanks for the overview. Which car did you get the engine from?
thanks! 😁 The engine came from a crashed 1998 SLK 230
Hi I'm looking to put a stand alone ecu in my Benz and I heard u say u liked the master black stand alone ecu so I went to look them up and they have a lot of different ones which one did u go with?
Hey jari, ik ben van plan om de zelfde Swap te doen. Had jij een 4 of 5 bak? En had je achteraf toch liever een handbak van een 230 erachter gezet?
I have a w124 coupe ... I been waiting to do a 2.3 supercharged swap. I tried still having problem..
Nice video!
Hello, how did you do for the key? Did you need the wiring from the donor slk? Thanks 🙏
I’ve used a standalone ecu, only the engine wiring harness was used from the donor car
@@dutch.190e thanks for replying back 😋
I am planning to go standalone as well.
Will the flywheel & clutch from the donor SLK230 work or it’s preferable to use the clutch kit you mentioned in your video details?
Love it.
For someone who's never done an engine swap before but wants to do similiar 190E m102 -> 2.3m m111k swap, what donor car would you recommend to get the engine from and is it better to have the 190e m102 with ke-jetronic than with carbunator or does it matter?
Also if I want to go with turbo instead of supercharger is there a huge advantage to go with stock kompressor 2.3 vs. the stock NA 2.3 as a base?
Because if I'm not looking forward to opening the engine for gapping the rings etc. if possible.
Tysm
I got mine from an R170 SLK 230, would recommend getting it from something similar. I had the ke-jetronic version, but I think it would be no different with the carb version. If they have the same transmission at least.
For going turbo you would have to go with the kompressor version, it runs lower compression for the boost. So the N/A wouldn't work well without a rebuild.
@@dutch.190e
Thanks for the fast get back. This clarifies it for me, great!
@@mag1cks251 if you use a carb car, you'd have to sacrifice the electric fuel pump from the donor also... not sure about the fuels lines itself. Just a hint;-)
@@dietmarfink8233
Thank you, very useful to know if I happen to find a carb one that I like!
The best engine to get is the M111.973 or M111.975 out of the SLK R170 230 Kompressor. Has the best internals and has the lower compression ratio. Also if you plan on goin turbo, you'll have to source the aluminium intake manifold as the stock plastic one will break with boost. The m111.973 also has the space in the head to use the aluminium manifold as the injectores have the point inside the head itself.
great stuff. what size diameter is the tubing from the throttle body and to the intake filter? Using that tubing helps utilize the space better for the radiator and intercooler! also helps in linking the intercooler to the supercharger. very neat engine bay
thanks! it’s 64mm from the filter to the supercharger, from the supercharger to the throttle body is 70mm
Thanks!
Question for you. I’m pretty close to finishing my set up.
I’m about to install my header so I can get the rest of the exhaust made.
I’m about to delete the EGR. Is there a bolt size you have to plug the existing EGR stuff?
My engine is from 1997, so it never came with the EGR stuff. So I can’t help you with that. Good luck with the build!
I appreciate it.
Also, what kind of radiator are you using? Mine is too big
@@Quokkkkaaaaa alot of people use 2.3/2.5 16v rad
did you use stock engine sensors? planning this swap myself
Most sensors are stock except for the wideband o2, IAT, and map sensor.
@@dutch.190e thank u bro👍
Schitterend om dit te bekijken Jari (in andere video's is alleen het geluid te horen)
Hi Nice tutorial,
Did it bolt straight onto your gear box.
And engine mounts?
Transmission has same bolt pattern so bolts right up :) For the engine mounts I've used the stock rubber mounts with the brackets from a W124 E220
@@dutch.190e thank you my friend,
What did u do with the prop and Ecu?
How much did you pay for this engine I want it!!!
did you change your differential or just keep the open diff that came with the car?
still have the stock open dif, not the best when launching this car. I’m gonna is install a lsd kit in this dif soon
@@dutch.190e could you upload a video when you get one? LSD's for this car are really really hard to find, so far I managed to only find one and its for the 2.3-16 transmission i believe, however a website told me its still compatible with the normal 5 speed transmission.
I have an m11k in my c230 I was going to use. Figured it'll be the same with a standalone ECU. Was going to go with the ECU masters but they seem to be outta stock, how long did it take you get yours? Otherwise I might just go mega squirt
The official dutch ecumaster dealer had them in stock when I bought them. So I could just pick it up, no waiting time. Kinda sucks that they're out of stock! I would recommend it over mega squirt.
@@dutch.190e dang that's unfortunate. Wonder if they would ship to the US
@@Frankie_Freedom they might do, not too sure. you could contact them at ecumasterbenelux.eu
Hey, did you use the cable Accelerator pedal or switched to electronic?
Goede Middag Jari
Kun je mij vertellen hoe je de gasklep hebt aangesloten dus de bedrading.
Vast bedankt
Can you put a link for where you got the pulley?
what kind of power does it have?
This is awesome! Thanks for sharing. Would you know if the 1.8 bell housing is identical to the 2.3 or 2.6?
Yeah they are all the same, all the inline blocks use the same bolt pattern and the transmissions can be interchanged
Im wondering if the m111 fits the stock 4spd transmission, also i want to know if the sf1001 conversion kit will work, because i cant find the 1002 anywhere
I think the bolt pattern is the same, if so it should fit. not sure if the 4spd is strong enough though. There are alternatives for the sf1002 kits. the rymec website has a cross reference tool for finding alternatives
@@dutch.190e what do you think it takes to get it running with the original ecu
@@paavorahkonen7634 good question, I'm about at the same point. Already bought a 1997 CLK donor car, which has the electronic ignition switch and the immobilizer. But already found a company in Austria, who can deactivate the immo with just the engine computer sent via Mail to them. This should reduce some hassles. But then on, we´d have to find a wiring diagram to find out, what infos the engine needs, to run. Something i found out also is, that these 230K cars get their speed info via the ABS/ASR sensors, thats why you weather put in the donor's electronic speedo and warning lights etc., or transform a newer gearbox to manual speedo drive... Hope that helps a little. I'm no electronic expert myself, but would prefer to run the original ECU also🙂
Hoe heb je uitgevonden welk vliegwiel en koppeling je moet gebruiken? De originele van de m102 (5 bak) past niet op de m111?
klopt, de originele past niet en die van de m111 zelf ook niet. Iemand met dezelfde swap had mij verteld dat ik de Rymec sf1002 kit kon gebruiken. je moet wel een hoop wegslijpen en aanpassen voordat ook deze goed past. ik weet niet of er betere alternatieven zijn
@@dutch.190e ah oke, in iedergeval bedankt voor je antwoord. Ik zat er zelf aan te denken aan het vliegwiel van een w124 220e. Deze zou op de m111 moeten passen en naar mijn weten heeft die ook nog de oude bak (met km kabel). Maar hier heb ik nog geen bevestiging over
heb je toevalling nog de links naar alle sites of winkels vanwaar je alles hebt besteld?
Hey Jari, ten eerste kudos voor de ombouw! Ben op dit moment met eenzelfde project bezig; heb op dit moment 1 vraag en dat is waar je de elektrische fan gekocht hebt voor dit type radiator? Heb je toevallig een link?
Bedankt! De ventilator heb ik bij QSP products gekocht. Hier is de link: www.qspproducts.nl/en/sp30101507/SP30101507-SPAL-fan-330-mm-qsp-products veel succes met de swap! :)
ben al mooi op weg, nog wat plumbing doen vwb intercooler en radiateur en dan nog het lektrische gedeelte@@dutch.190e
How much did everything cost?
:)
I haven't kept track of the exact costs. But up to the point of it running I think it's close to 6k
Hi Jari! Clean swap that👍 Anything you done to fuel supply/return?
stock fuel pump and filter work perfectly fine :) for the lines I cut of the bungs in the engine bay and converted them to A/N fittings
@@dutch.190e thanks for quick reply man👍 I might have some more questions in future. Planning to do the same in the future, got w124 m111 legs already😄 but at the moment sourcing for parts to convert mine to manual
is this your first engine swap!?
yes it’s my first time doing something like this :)
What car is the bottle of windshield washer fluid from?
It just a generic windshield tank I got from aliexpress, it was like 15 euro's and includes the pump haha
@@dutch.190e ah!! thanxs jajajajja xD
do you think this would work with automatic transmission on my 2.3?
if you use stock ecu you can make it work, but with standalone you also need a separate controller for the transmission. but I think with both it will be quite difficult
It will work but if you use stock ecu you need to have matching ignition for the motor. if you mix and match you will have problems so get everything off a single car if you plan to go stock ecu.
OKAY, im starting to swap mine in few days
How much HP?
currently 240hp
Was the stock ecu able to handle the power? Or is it necessary to change it?
@@niewiemniemampomysu163 it has standalone
What engine Mounts are u using?
E22o w124
Thank you! I think my First Build will be a m111 swap.
Approx bhp?
250HP/380NM
@@dutch.190e also what is the rpm limit? We are planning to build a 190e specifically for track use and planning to get linear power curve with approx 350hp so supercharger is what we would love to retain & avoid turbocharger. Just want to know the limit of supercharger poweroutput
@@hrautocustoms2468 My engine maxes out at 6500 rpm currently. And my supercharger to about 14k rpm. You can make the supercharger go to 16k rpm for short amounts of time safely. Not sure for how long that would run reliably tho. If you also get it ported a lot more power can be unlocked. 😁 Are you also swapping engine internals? I’ve heard of some people blowing it up beyond 340hp.
@@dutch.190e honestly, I have not done my r&d on this engine. No plans to do the engine internal build. A k20/24 would be better choice for that but ease of fitment and being true mercedes driveline is what I am wanting m111 for.
@@hrautocustoms2468 I feel like the m104 would be a better fit for 350+hp. They can make insane amounts of power on stock internals. But then a turbo would be the better choice