Back when I started using these manuals in the 1990’s, this was all you had available. There was no UA-cam or online options. They aren’t perfect by any means, but my friends and I got a lot of work done back in the day. I’m sure there’s been a lot of lobbying by the automotive service industry to make these manuals less helpful than they could be. After all, ASE certified mechanics have to eat too, I guess.
I have never liked Chilton manuals, and have had spotty luck using Haynes. We had both for my wife's 93 Civic EX. We troubleshot a no start situation using both. She found the same troubleshooting guides found in both pubs from Honda, (on the internet) and it had an extra table below the other 2 pubs that clearly showed what was up. It was indeed the ECM. We got one from RockAuto and it burped at first, then nothing. At that point I was so pissed that I just cranked the starter for probably a minute. It all of a sudden woke up, acted normal, and still runs better than ever! None of the pubs addressed what that was about. The car only has 290,000 miles so for a Honda, probably another 3 or 4 100K to go!
Even though they're owned by the same people I always preferred Chilton. I have more Haynes than I do Chilton though. Just whichever I can find when I need one.
U won’t be able to get a Haynes manual anymore. Not in print format anyway. They gonna go bankrupt going from a one time purchase to a subscription service u have to pay for multiple times. Goodbye Haynes. I’ll miss u. I’m not gonna pay a recurring subscription so I can pull out my iPad to do a repair. I mean I keep my manual in my truck so If I need it while on the go it’s there. But needing an iPad or something to use the manual means I can only have access to it when I’m home
From what I read, for the vehicles that have had hardcopy manuals in the past, a hardcopy will still be available for purchase in the future. Only the new vehicles from the digital era forward will be restricted to digital format. I suppose that's subject to change tho.
@@craigslitzer4857 well I don’t plan on “upgrading” my new vehicle purchase to a older car. I plan on getting new cars everytime I get a vehicle. And even if i did buy used after about 5 years even those “used” cars won’t have new paper manuals. Haynes has only lost a customer with this decision. They arent gaining new customers by switching to digital they are only losing customers who liked the paper version. I mean if paper books are more expensive then charge more. I’d be happy to pay another $20 for a paper version. I don’t want a digital version. If it’s a cost issue then raise the price there are plenty of people who would still pay it versus a digital manual.
@@sethmorgan8258 Can't say I blame you. I suspect they lost a lot of customers over this. Maybe it's an age thing, but IMO there's no suitable replacement for a real book that you can drag under the car with you. First step I take when I'm doing mechanic work is empty my pockets, including any electronics that could view the digital manual.
@@craigslitzer4857 I keep my manual in my truck by all my tools I would ever need. A lot of good a digital manual does me when I’m broke down in the middle of nowhere and my phone is dead. Digital things require electricity and a charge of a battery. Paper manuals do not. Most of situations where I would need the manual are situations where I would rather have a permanent paper book rather than an electronic file. Besides, the last thing I want near my truck on the ground while I’m doing repair work with all kinds of heavy and sharp things that can destroy an electronic device is my $1300 iPhone.
@@sethmorgan8258 I used to have one for my truck but lost it. A few months ago I tried to buy a replacement. That's when I learned about the switch to digital. I really think they screwed up, but time will tell
Chilton is more advanced version of Haynes. Id rather use workshops and service manuals. They have diagnostic methods and part numbers. Neither books have that.
I always have a soft spot for these paper diy manuals
Back when I started using these manuals in the 1990’s, this was all you had available. There was no UA-cam or online options. They aren’t perfect by any means, but my friends and I got a lot of work done back in the day.
I’m sure there’s been a lot of lobbying by the automotive service industry to make these manuals less helpful than they could be. After all, ASE certified mechanics have to eat too, I guess.
Eating? It’s the boat payments they gotta keep up with! 😂😂😂
I have never liked Chilton manuals, and have had spotty luck using Haynes. We had both for my wife's 93 Civic EX. We troubleshot a no start situation using both. She found the same troubleshooting guides found in both pubs from Honda, (on the internet) and it had an extra table below the other 2 pubs that clearly showed what was up. It was indeed the ECM. We got one from RockAuto and it burped at first, then nothing. At that point I was so pissed that I just cranked the starter for probably a minute. It all of a sudden woke up, acted normal, and still runs better than ever! None of the pubs addressed what that was about. The car only has 290,000 miles so for a Honda, probably another 3 or 4 100K to go!
Both are printed by, and owned buy Haynes. And the reason Chilton is thicker is simple, two columns per page vs 3 colu8mns in the Haynes manuals.
Interesting comparison.
I used to use those books back when I was a Kid!
I look for common ones at the thrift store, nice to have a hard copy of the wiring diagrams in the preparedness sense.
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True, besides, it’s easier to see and follow the information in hard copy form when you’re hands are gloved or greasy.
Even though they're owned by the same people I always preferred Chilton. I have more Haynes than I do Chilton though. Just whichever I can find when I need one.
Same- I still can't believe how little difference there is in the more recent ones.
U won’t be able to get a Haynes manual anymore. Not in print format anyway. They gonna go bankrupt going from a one time purchase to a subscription service u have to pay for multiple times. Goodbye Haynes. I’ll miss u. I’m not gonna pay a recurring subscription so I can pull out my iPad to do a repair. I mean I keep my manual in my truck so If I need it while on the go it’s there. But needing an iPad or something to use the manual means I can only have access to it when I’m home
From what I read, for the vehicles that have had hardcopy manuals in the past, a hardcopy will still be available for purchase in the future. Only the new vehicles from the digital era forward will be restricted to digital format. I suppose that's subject to change tho.
@@craigslitzer4857 well I don’t plan on “upgrading” my new vehicle purchase to a older car. I plan on getting new cars everytime I get a vehicle. And even if i did buy used after about 5 years even those “used” cars won’t have new paper manuals. Haynes has only lost a customer with this decision. They arent gaining new customers by switching to digital they are only losing customers who liked the paper version. I mean if paper books are more expensive then charge more. I’d be happy to pay another $20 for a paper version. I don’t want a digital version. If it’s a cost issue then raise the price there are plenty of people who would still pay it versus a digital manual.
@@sethmorgan8258 Can't say I blame you. I suspect they lost a lot of customers over this. Maybe it's an age thing, but IMO there's no suitable replacement for a real book that you can drag under the car with you. First step I take when I'm doing mechanic work is empty my pockets, including any electronics that could view the digital manual.
@@craigslitzer4857 I keep my manual in my truck by all my tools I would ever need. A lot of good a digital manual does me when I’m broke down in the middle of nowhere and my phone is dead. Digital things require electricity and a charge of a battery. Paper manuals do not. Most of situations where I would need the manual are situations where I would rather have a permanent paper book rather than an electronic file. Besides, the last thing I want near my truck on the ground while I’m doing repair work with all kinds of heavy and sharp things that can destroy an electronic device is my $1300 iPhone.
@@sethmorgan8258 I used to have one for my truck but lost it. A few months ago I tried to buy a replacement. That's when I learned about the switch to digital. I really think they screwed up, but time will tell
Thank you so much, just what I was wondering!
How can I get this boo
The Haynes website sells both the Haynes and Chilton, no idea why they do that...
Chilton is more advanced version of Haynes. Id rather use workshops and service manuals. They have diagnostic methods and part numbers. Neither books have that.
Haynes essentially owns Chilton, is what our host pointed out. Who’da thunk it?
Excellent thank you
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