🎵 Siouxsie And The Banshees - Cities in Dust REACTION

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  • @Reani71
    @Reani71 2 роки тому +203

    Siouxsie is legitimately the queen of goth, she has been around since the late 70s. At one time Robert Smith of The Cure was in this band as well. Together with Cure, Bauhaus and The Sisters of Mercy they're probably England's most famous gothic rock act from the 80s. Siouxsie is in many ways a trailblazer and pioneer for female singers in early alternative rock and the sound of Siouxsie and the Banshees inspired many artists (ie. Radiohead, PJ Harvey, The Smiths or Slowdive), some of their songs got covered by artists like Massive Attack, Jeff Buckley, Tricky, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Faith No More, LCD Soundsystem or The Weeknd. Not bad, I'd say.

    • @wolf762x51
      @wolf762x51 2 роки тому +5

      Thomas Dolby played synths for her at one time as well. Patricia Morrison is the Godmother of Goth though. She started that look prior to Siouxsie while playing bass for The Bags ( Alice Bags ) as Pat Bags, and then with The Gun Club, before she joined Sisters of Mercy and later The Damned with her husband Dave Vanian.

    • @johnstjohn6658
      @johnstjohn6658 2 роки тому +3

      @@wolf762x51- Really? TD played with Siouxsie? I know he played with/wrote for Lena Lovitch but I never knew about Siouxsie.

    • @Reani71
      @Reani71 2 роки тому +2

      @@johnstjohn6658 I checked Dolby's credits on discogs, he's not listed as a musician on any release by Siouxsie and the Banshees, if ever then only live as a session musician, but there's no record about that to be found either. I almost assume that Charles mistook Siouxsie with Lene Lovich. He's actually listed as keyboardist for Lovich's "Live From New York At Studio 54" concert DVD from 2007.

    • @danielamend4423
      @danielamend4423 2 роки тому +1

      She hanged around with Johnny rotten Sex Pistols groupie

    • @Reani71
      @Reani71 2 роки тому +1

      @@danielamend4423 Yes, I know. She also took part in that infamous interview piece the Pistols gave on The Grundy Show in 1976 in which Steve Jones called Bill Grundy "a fucking rotter" on live tv which was a scandal back in those days. You can find that clip here on youtube as well.

  • @mynameispaul0530
    @mynameispaul0530 2 роки тому +80

    Siouxsie visited Pompei and had a deeply moving experience there. "Water was running. Children were running. You were running out of time." I LOVE this song. It's like she had a spiritual connection to the victims of the volcano.

    • @paulmiller7838
      @paulmiller7838 2 роки тому +16

      Even the line "Were you praying at the Lares' shrine?" has significant meaning.
      "Lares are household gods that were believed to be the guardians and protectors of the house. Many of the wall paintings found in Pompeii depicted the Lares as youthful people engaged in dance. Lares were often painted in pairs surrounding the genius, which was the spirit of the head of the house."
      Everything about the song is very much about the tragedy which befell the city of Pompeii.
      "Your former glories and all the stories
      Dragged and washed with eager hands"
      That is all that we have now, former glories, and old stories being dragged out and washed with the eager hands of archeologist trying to recreate the past.

    • @Euthymia
      @Euthymia 10 місяців тому +3

      It inspires in me introspection about how the greatest of civilizations all fall eventually. About how precarious our position is. Your infrastructure is bringing water, your kids are out playing in the yard, maybe you're even thanking your personal god (Lares) that things are working so well, then in a moment, it's all wiped out. No matter how comfortable we are, what big shots we think we are, the entire life we know can be one volcano eruption or fire or jumbo jet crash away from oblivion. Even in "paradise" as in the recent sad case of Lahaina, HI

  • @luckyboy4766
    @luckyboy4766 2 роки тому +47

    Water was running, children were running
    You were running out of time
    Under the mountain, a golden fountain
    Were you praying at the Lares' shrine?
    But, whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    We found you hiding, we found you lying
    Choking on the dirt and sand
    Your former glories and all the stories
    Dragged and washed with eager hands
    But, whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Your city lies in dust
    Water was running, children were running
    We found you hiding, we found you lying
    Water was running, children were running
    We found you hiding, we found you lying
    Your city lies in dust, my friend
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Hot and burning in your nostrils
    Pouring down your gaping mouth
    Your molten bodies, blanket of cinders
    Caught in the throes, and
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Your city lies in dust, my friend
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust, my friend
    Whoa, oh, your city lies in dust

    • @rgconnergmail
      @rgconnergmail Рік тому +1

      praying at the Lares' shrine?
      a Lares is a Roman household god/ess. It literally belongs to the house, protects the family.

  • @Cadinho93
    @Cadinho93 2 роки тому +78

    Siouxsie Sioux is a Goddess of awkward anti-cool. Pure dangerous.
    Also, this song is even more cool if you keep in mind that it's inspired by the events of 79 AD in the Bay of Naples, the destruction of Pompeii and Herculaneum.

    • @AnAdorableWombat1
      @AnAdorableWombat1 Рік тому

      Nothing awkward about her. And she’s extremely cool🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @robertfindley921
    @robertfindley921 2 роки тому +47

    A banshee in Irish folklore is a female spirit who roams the forest unseen. She screams, wails, and shrieks when something bad is about to happen. She does not go fast or attack anyone. She is not threatening in and of herself. She remains unseen.

  • @MerryBerry22
    @MerryBerry22 2 роки тому +84

    I love that you are reacting to her! Please do her song “Kiss Them For Me” so iconic!!!!

    • @zobek530
      @zobek530 2 роки тому +3

      Please, yes!
      My favorite song by Siouxie!
      🥰😎

    • @lewisner
      @lewisner 2 роки тому +5

      Any song she has ever recorded.

    • @mkmstillstackin
      @mkmstillstackin 2 роки тому +2

      Love that one, too!

    • @mradriankool
      @mradriankool Рік тому

      Her ability to produce songs original yet the from the same mould time after time, means she remains still five decades later, the queen. Even “Forever” from poorly received the rapture album, tears the hearts strings in an aching beauty of layer upon layer of various strings & distortion ❤❤❤❤

  • @thomaspasqualone9379
    @thomaspasqualone9379 2 роки тому +46

    That was really inspired by a visit to Pompeii," frontwoman Siouxsie Sioux told Creem. "There's quite a lot of tourism there, but the place itself transcends all that. You can think you're the only person there. It's quite immense, and at the end of the day, seeing the petrified bodies, it had a strong effect on me. The song was written, the music was written, when we got back from Italy, I wrote the lyrics. It was dedicated to one of the petrified bodies. It almost looked as if there was someone underneath this kind of plaster cover. I almost expected it to get up and move."

    • @saintsataniko2116
      @saintsataniko2116 2 роки тому +6

      Even now they are still discovering bodies and artefacts in Pompeii.

    • @rgconnergmail
      @rgconnergmail Рік тому +1

      It is her Kashmir.

    • @maxgeorgievsky9527
      @maxgeorgievsky9527 Рік тому +4

      Imagine that roman person knowing that there will be a song about him/her written 2000 years later.

  • @chriswhinery925
    @chriswhinery925 2 роки тому +13

    One of the best bands from the 80's. I love Siouxsie and the Banshees.

  • @deanhumphries7878
    @deanhumphries7878 Рік тому +3

    We love Siouxsie in the UK the queen of punk. Classic track.

  • @jefmay3053
    @jefmay3053 2 роки тому +44

    Yes Brad, Siouxsie Sue is always "Creepy and Dramatic".........THE PERFECT WOMAN

  • @4tuneagent
    @4tuneagent 2 роки тому +9

    Chorus is " Ohhhh-uhh, oooo.. Oh your Cities lie in Du- usst.." something to that effect. Very compelling tune.. their music is spellbinding..

  • @barisagalozu2287
    @barisagalozu2287 2 роки тому +6

    "The last beat of my heart" is mandatory

  • @frankgarcia1
    @frankgarcia1 2 роки тому +3

    OH your city lies in dust, my friend. Im so Glad I saw them 2 times in my life and on this tour. Lollapalooza year 1.

  • @jollyj3285
    @jollyj3285 2 роки тому +15

    Siouxsie is great!!!! Please do more like Dazzle, Kiss Them For Me, Israel, Spellbound....

  • @ericsmith6615
    @ericsmith6615 2 роки тому +3

    Wife here..,WOW..This was soooo Amazing back in the day..Still is!!

  • @lupobouguereau8777
    @lupobouguereau8777 2 роки тому +4

    I remember the 80s as a post disco dance revolution , everybody had to up their game

  • @mradriankool
    @mradriankool Рік тому +4

    Debbie Harry, Siouxsie & PJ Harvey 3 ladies who never compromised, the queens of music

  • @uslegions2619
    @uslegions2619 2 роки тому +5

    One of the original goth bands. I still haven't really gotten into them much yet, but I have a tremendous respect for them, and am still scratching the surface of goth myself.

  • @jtarantula3390
    @jtarantula3390 2 роки тому +3

    The Alt rock queen, or punk goth queen, anyway, she’s so damn good

  • @billythebeard6055
    @billythebeard6055 2 роки тому +7

    Love Siouxsie and the Banshees! I went through my goth phase during this time. You got to hear "Spellbound". Again this one is different than any other song.

  • @NenadTrajkovic
    @NenadTrajkovic 2 роки тому +7

    🇬🇧 Probably the biggest Goth star, the most influential for sure. Whole new rock branches grew under the influence of Siouxie and The Banshees
    This one is one of the best for me along with Israel and Spelbound🇬🇧

  • @naivesteve5722
    @naivesteve5722 2 роки тому +23

    Hard to believe from her music she was on the infamous Bill Grundy interview with the Sex Pistols. She did a fantastic version of Bob Dylans Wheels on fire

    • @Reani71
      @Reani71 2 роки тому +8

      And an equally fantastic version of Iggy Pop's The Passenger on that very same album

    • @JennVix
      @JennVix 2 роки тому

      She thought she was covering Julie Driscoll. She doesn't like Bob. This is firsthand info.

  • @paintedbird
    @paintedbird 2 роки тому +2

    Siouxsie & The Banshees are so awesome! I hope you'll keep checking out more of their songs and exploring them. I enjoy watching your reactions to them.

  • @ronnyber
    @ronnyber 2 роки тому +8

    Their cover of the Beatles Dear Prudence is my favourite cover of all time. Spellbound is their best tune IMO.

    • @saturnsabyss
      @saturnsabyss 7 місяців тому +1

      Fantastic taste! I agree on both of those fronts.

  • @j_nightshade
    @j_nightshade 2 роки тому +3

    I actually saw them in Detroit 1986

  • @tlt-ell1193
    @tlt-ell1193 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks for doing this, Brad & Lex! This is one of my favorite 1981 jams! Love me some Siouxsie!

  • @michellez1414
    @michellez1414 2 роки тому +10

    Yay! She's frickin amazing! One of my all time top favorite band/ singers. Great season for Spellbound and Fear!

  • @paulmiller7838
    @paulmiller7838 2 роки тому +2

    Probably my favorite Siouxsie song. Absolutely love Cities in Dust!!!

  • @glynarchie5765
    @glynarchie5765 Рік тому +1

    I've always been a fan of the banshees, but now I realise having listened to a lot of music over the years, especially indie, how influential they are , snd have inspired countless bands.

  • @fern
    @fern 2 роки тому +4

    Tuuuuuune! One of my fave tunes from the 80's! Siouxsie 🤩

  • @ianballantyne6892
    @ianballantyne6892 Рік тому +3

    A great band indeed, but Budgie's creative drumming shouldn't be overlooked. He contributed so much.

  • @alexanderwalter4595
    @alexanderwalter4595 2 роки тому +5

    I saw them perform live once in the '80s at the late, great Club Lingerie on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood.

  • @chrisharris7931
    @chrisharris7931 2 роки тому +4

    If you are commenting about Siouxsie, come to the streams. We need more voters to get bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees played.

  • @Aurora-uq5hm
    @Aurora-uq5hm Рік тому +1

    🎵IT'S A SONG ABOUT MELTED CITY'S OF THE PAST!! CHECK OUT "KILLING JAR" A VERY DARK TRACK !! FOR THOSE WITH EYE'S TO SEE & EARS TO HEAR!!🎵 ALWAYS A STORY HIDDEN WITHIN!!🤗💜🙂

  • @saintsataniko2116
    @saintsataniko2116 2 роки тому +4

    I love Siouxsie and actually saw them at the very first Lollapalooza. For a band that has a bit of the same vibe, and also some great songs. check out Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Heads Will Roll (and no it's not some obscure song, it has 72m views).

  • @aomorimi
    @aomorimi Рік тому +1

    Love this! Fell in love with Siouxsie when I was 12, it’s awesome at 50 to see other people of color enjoying her now.

  • @toddhill7483
    @toddhill7483 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for this reaction, sincerely.

  • @TattooedTownie
    @TattooedTownie 2 роки тому +5

    Man!
    You guys finally listen to my favourite Siouxsie song, and I missed it!
    Love these guys so much, and this is a jam 100%

  • @frankdel2916
    @frankdel2916 11 місяців тому +1

    Siouxsie is sharing history...truly a beautiful way to learn the past from the lips of an artist...check out NIGHT SHIFT by "S and the B" All their songs have deep meaning

  • @TheEternalElir
    @TheEternalElir 2 роки тому +5

    Maynard James Keenan said she was a huge influence on his singing style and the way he approaches melodies

  • @13blackkittycats
    @13blackkittycats 2 роки тому +3

    Please listen to their song “The Last Beat Of My Heart”, it’s hauntingly beautiful.

  • @johnstjohn6658
    @johnstjohn6658 2 роки тому +3

    Happy House, Christine, Spellbound, Israel,and my favorite Dazzle - so many great songs from Siouxsie.
    But yeah, Peek-a-boo is the wrong song to start with for the band.

  • @jeffmorse645
    @jeffmorse645 2 роки тому +2

    Heard that on SiriusXM the other day. I've never heard it before and I really liked it.

  • @AE-xs5ze
    @AE-xs5ze 2 роки тому +1

    Forgot this one. It's great. Thanks for bringing it back into my consciousness.

  • @monogramadikt5971
    @monogramadikt5971 2 роки тому +3

    still waiting for you guys to explore the multi album back catalogue of "THETHE'

  • @mokumboi19
    @mokumboi19 2 роки тому +3

    My favorite Siouxsie And The Banshees song by far (to be fair, I'm not the biggest S&tB fan).

  • @kelpkelp5252
    @kelpkelp5252 2 роки тому +1

    The lyrics of the chorus are literally the title of the song :D

  • @Hartlor_Tayley
    @Hartlor_Tayley 2 роки тому +4

    Great reaction. More Banshees. Thanks

  • @michaelg2282
    @michaelg2282 2 роки тому +2

    Goth funk. One of the best songs ever

  • @rhopsi5620
    @rhopsi5620 2 роки тому +3

    Brad got this one right...she is singing about the discovery of Pompeii after the Mt. Vesuvius eruption of 79 A.D. Aesome song.

  • @gazoontight
    @gazoontight 2 роки тому +1

    Pompeii erupted and all the people in the city were preserved in the flow.

  • @w.w.2restorations.vehicles698
    @w.w.2restorations.vehicles698 2 роки тому +3

    Brad & Lex, May I humbly suggest that you guys have a listen to Oingo Boingo's "Dead Man's Party. If You enjoyed Siouxsie, You'll like them...

  • @briz1965
    @briz1965 2 роки тому +3

    Superb band, one of the original punk bands. Nocturne with Mr. Robert Smith must be one of the best live shows from the period - FYI Japan-Oil on Canvas live is something to behold too. Wonderful time for music.

  • @lpita2431
    @lpita2431 2 роки тому +8

    “Happy house” or “Arabian Knights” are great songs ❤

  • @wolf762x51
    @wolf762x51 2 роки тому +3

    One of my faves. Solid Goth / New Wave-ish number.

  • @jamalsampson9389
    @jamalsampson9389 2 роки тому +10

    Great opening rhythm! It has a super 80s vibe. Nice upload!

  • @CoffeeAndPaul
    @CoffeeAndPaul 2 роки тому +1

    LOVE THAT YOU FINALLY ARRIVED AT THIS TUNE. BIG TUNE!!

  • @timthomsonart
    @timthomsonart 2 роки тому +5

    One of the most unique incredible women of the 20th Century! Please react to 'Christine' next :)

  • @Milkthief
    @Milkthief 2 роки тому +3

    I am so pumped you did this song! Love Siouxsie and this is probably my favorite song by them. Spellbound is another classic to check out at some point :)

  • @neildiamondo6445
    @neildiamondo6445 2 роки тому +3

    The Mission

  • @kennethsoriano537
    @kennethsoriano537 2 роки тому +10

    Great song, great band! You must go to their post punk days. Robert Smith from the cure use to be their guitarist for a spell.

    • @melthebell33
      @melthebell33 2 роки тому +3

      and Sid Vicious on drums very early on too lol

  • @sixbladeknife44
    @sixbladeknife44 2 роки тому +3

    This is more poppy Siouxsie, not a bad thing. Gotta go back further into the catalog to get to the truly gothy stuff, Juju/Kaleidoscope etc.

  • @joemachine4714
    @joemachine4714 2 роки тому +3

    One must experience the extreme stage antics of Wendy O Williams of "The Plasmatics". BUTCHER BABY is a good one for starters but it is essential the video feature Wendy in action, not just lyrics.

  • @alexanderbeta-werburghii6176
    @alexanderbeta-werburghii6176 2 роки тому +3

    Listen to the early stuff, the punk origins of proto-Goth [before it became a fashion], along with some aspects of Black Sabbath and Nina Hagen.

  • @lewisner
    @lewisner 2 роки тому +3

    I don't normally do fan worship but for Siouxsie I make an exception.

  • @ohhkayy0919
    @ohhkayy0919 2 роки тому +3

    Yesss! Now do Hong Kong Garden!

  • @jlutzudrums9142
    @jlutzudrums9142 2 роки тому +2

    OHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH
    It's Really Good New Wave !!!!!!!! 👍🏻👍🏼👍🏿👍🏽👍🏻👍🏼👍🏼👍🏿👍🏽
    GOD BLESS YOU BRAD & LEX !!!!!!!!!!

  • @mikemcdonald8002
    @mikemcdonald8002 2 роки тому +1

    We're Here For A Good Time - Trooper. Classic Canadian rock!!

  • @simonrobson7468
    @simonrobson7468 2 роки тому +1

    The song is about the Roman city of Pompeii that was destroyed by a volcano

  • @johnhigh4214
    @johnhigh4214 2 роки тому +4

    This is my favorite siouxsie song. My neice was named after her.

  • @maha77
    @maha77 2 роки тому +2

    *Siouxsie And The Banshees - The Passenger*

  • @jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering
    @jaymacgee_A_Bawbag_Blethering Рік тому +1

    I always took it to be about the destruction of Pompeii by the eruption of Vesuvius in AD 79 , which buried Pompeii and effectively froze the buildings and victims in time
    👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @johnsrensen3366
    @johnsrensen3366 2 роки тому +2

    I loved siouxsie back in my punk goth time in the 80s

  • @giuliogrifi7739
    @giuliogrifi7739 2 роки тому +2

    Her voice reminds me of Patti Smith !

  • @jeffreekoch9298
    @jeffreekoch9298 2 роки тому +3

    Awesome post-punk, Gothic new wave, darkwave band! "Spellbound ", Hong Kong Garden", "Christine" are next videos to see from them. 🌙 🎃 🧛‍♂️ 🦇

  • @christopherhuot2826
    @christopherhuot2826 2 роки тому +2

    ❤️ them!!!

  • @markhannig1192
    @markhannig1192 2 роки тому +2

    Best Siouxsie and the Banshee’s song: Stargazer.

  • @eddiemi
    @eddiemi 2 роки тому +3

    PJ Harvey - Sheela Na Gig

  • @haroldb2663
    @haroldb2663 2 роки тому +3

    ❤❤❤This song, Siouxsie And The Banshees was one of the best bands in the 80s

  • @jonathangibson3578
    @jonathangibson3578 2 роки тому +3

    YAAAAAS! FINALLY!

  • @scorpiouk5914
    @scorpiouk5914 2 роки тому +1

    Check out the big brain on Brad! Exactly right. Pompeii. I had no idea for years that was the subject of the song.

  • @mkmstillstackin
    @mkmstillstackin 2 роки тому +1

    Yeah, love this! The first Siouxsie Sioux song I recall ever hearing and their most recognizable one, to this day, I would say. Man, brings back so many memories!

  • @gtplumbing2004
    @gtplumbing2004 2 роки тому +2

    The Psychedelic Furs - The Ghost in You

  • @SG-js2qn
    @SG-js2qn 2 роки тому +3

    This song came out just one year after Sting's "Russians." In general, there was a heightened tension about war between NATO and Russia. While Siouxsie was singing about Pompeii, I'm sure to some extent she was drawing a parallel to the modern threat of nuclear war.

  • @sjfvet519us
    @sjfvet519us 2 роки тому +5

    This is my favorite Siouxsie and The Banshees songs. Some other favorites are: 1) Nicotine, 2) Halloween, 3) Godzilla (under the group The Creatures), and 4) Like a Swan (solo).

    • @slummingtart
      @slummingtart 2 роки тому +2

      "Nicotine Stain" and "Into A Swan"

    • @sjfvet519us
      @sjfvet519us 2 роки тому +1

      @@slummingtart Thanks. I usually edit before I send but this time I slipped up.

  • @worldfamouslanglois4805
    @worldfamouslanglois4805 2 роки тому +1

    holy crap .. getting flashbacks to a club in France back in the day .. cheers

  • @iainweller452
    @iainweller452 2 роки тому +5

    Great band, check out their debut single “Hong Kong Garden” it reached number 7 in the UK charts

  • @CBGB_1977
    @CBGB_1977 2 роки тому +3

    You gotta listen to “Dazzle”. That one is beautifully sonic.

  • @andrea.mojarro
    @andrea.mojarro 2 роки тому +1

    High School memories unlocked (89-93) !!!!
    My friend group was goth and I was more techno-y but damn some of it was jamzzz. Great stuff. Thx

  • @kramerbassplayer
    @kramerbassplayer 2 роки тому +1

    When those drums come in

  • @shannonbennett987
    @shannonbennett987 2 роки тому +2

    This song is so great. My favorite by the Banshees. Glad to see you do it.
    Good one, guys.

  • @Samurai_Stoner
    @Samurai_Stoner 2 роки тому +1

    Oh man getting 90's goth club flashbacks... One of my favorite songs by her, you guys should definitely do more of her she's amazing

  • @MackerelCat
    @MackerelCat 2 роки тому +2

    Yassss love Siouxsie!

  • @mcsquared981
    @mcsquared981 2 роки тому +1

    I think you should listen to 'Melt' with a lyric video. Brad's face would be a picture. Failing that try Spellbound for classic Siouxsie with John McGeogh's guitar. John was one of the greatest and most influential guitarists of British post-punk.

  • @MusicMissionary
    @MusicMissionary 2 роки тому +5

    This is a lot more typical of their sound than Peek a Boo.

  • @josephsjarvis585
    @josephsjarvis585 2 роки тому +1

    Magic took me way back to my school days man so long ago it's funny to even think about rude boys rude girls & then them feel ancient

  • @musicaddict5076
    @musicaddict5076 2 роки тому +2

    This was my intro to this band. It was all over the alternative clubs in the 80s. Great stuff.

  • @LUTONTOWN1
    @LUTONTOWN1 5 місяців тому

    The Queen of England,Goth and Punk-An absolute Beauty and still kicking it these days x

  • @TheInevitableTruth-i2k
    @TheInevitableTruth-i2k 2 роки тому +2

    Alright, more Siouxsie, goth, post-punk era!
    This for me is quintessential high-school 80s along with Cure, early New Order and Bauhaus.
    Sioxsie is the female prototype that's spawned the goth movement

  • @pablogaeta3815
    @pablogaeta3815 2 роки тому +3

    it's good your listening to this now as opposed to much earlier in your journey. you have to have a sense of what mainstream music was like at the time to understand why this is called "alternative".