What it Means to be Pyro | Genshin Impact theory

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  • @kayleighdriessen
    @kayleighdriessen 7 місяців тому +86

    Wouln't it be cool if not only might Bennett be confirmed to have originated from Natlan and that his unwilling departure from there to live in Mondstadt has something to do with his bad luck, but he that he even joined Traveler on their way to Natan for it's Archon quest. Nonetheless this was a incredible and underrated video, I'd almost love to see you make more videos like this to describe Allogenes of all seven elements after you've alreay done the Pyro-ones (so I'm eager to see you talk about the Hydro-Allogenes next) who you've describe accurately as "those who inherit legacies"

    • @Shreyash112
      @Shreyash112 7 місяців тому +6

      Its almost confirm that benny got taboo and badluck as he left natlan. Hope out boii joins us on our journey to natlan 🙂‍↕️

    • @aliennnnnn6
      @aliennnnnn6 7 місяців тому +1

      have you seen the Bennett has the pyro gnosis theory? It’s also pretty cool like this

    • @xChaosFlower
      @xChaosFlower 6 місяців тому +1

      I theroize that he was left in the Mar Jabari as a ritual sacrifice, but due to his bad luck, his rescuer died in his place. Poor kid cant even be saceificed properly

  • @P-rar
    @P-rar 7 місяців тому +30

    No because you are cooking so hard with every single one of these??????? Literally the clearest and most logical explanation of these concepts I've seen to date.

  • @Anakuya1
    @Anakuya1 7 місяців тому +46

    Also, Lyney will be Arlecchinos intended successor for the House of the Hearth. But my goodness, I was trying to think about what pyro users get their visions for and your take makes so much sense you video gave me a such a feeling of ooooh.

  • @spark9_
    @spark9_ 7 місяців тому +47

    hoping we get more Bennett lore in Natlan

  • @isaakhenrique3677
    @isaakhenrique3677 7 місяців тому +33

    Ayooo wtf?!?! The majority of the characters make so much sense with your point

  • @njorlpinipini
    @njorlpinipini 6 місяців тому +5

    I think something you touch on here, but sort of skim over, is that Pyro users overwhelmingly harness the legacies they inherit to spread warmth/comfort/joy to those around them; this puts them in opposition to Cryo users, for whom legacies are great burdens they are forced to carry.

  • @naturalhorn
    @naturalhorn 7 місяців тому +24

    that was a really good analysis. I cant wait for the hydro one because the ambitions of the users always confused me

  • @softglow9
    @softglow9 5 місяців тому +3

    I've always wondered what tied all the visions together and you are pretty much nailing it. I've watched all of your vision video theories and they're very succinctly explained. I like how you went through each character for explanation.
    While I think each character can definitely be allocated a different vision to the current one they possess due to overlapping characteristics that you mentioned, it is still a great effort on your part to select a firm and foundational aspect which links all characters to that particular vision.
    Your theories are great! I'd love to see more of them. If you ever play Honkai Star Rail, there are also 'Paths' which bear similar a resemblance to vision-holders and I would definitely love to see what you think would link them all together to the characters.
    That being said, subscribed! I hope to see more from you :)

  • @chiarasuper
    @chiarasuper Місяць тому +3

    SPOILERS FOR Chapter 5, Act 4 / Natlan arc, about Himeko ... I mean Mavuika
    You were kind of right about passing down the role: the Pyro Archon is often a human. Himeko ... err, Mavuika is the current Pyro Archon. I think she will fit very well with the 'Tradition' tag, not only because of her inheriting the role of the Archon / ascending, but also because of the chapter's name in Teyvat Travail. She is fitting to inherit not only the legacy of previous archons like Xbalanque, but also surpass their dreams; I think she will die and then be resurrected, a feat that hasn't been done before for a major figure like her.

  • @baldkurapika_
    @baldkurapika_ 7 місяців тому +19

    WHATTT!? this vid is so good your SEVEARLY underated OMGGG!!!

  • @plaguespecter7167
    @plaguespecter7167 7 місяців тому +23

    Would like this for the other elements

  • @washaconte3956
    @washaconte3956 7 місяців тому +5

    Maybe Clervie pass down her wish to Arlecchino. Maybe the wish was a home, yet she still don't/ can't define home. This theory make sense

  • @lilukara5953
    @lilukara5953 7 місяців тому +3

    You're pretty good! This analysis is very entertaining, I hope to hear more about other elements!

  • @k5nz15
    @k5nz15 7 місяців тому +7

    that actually makes a lot of sense.
    good theory

  • @praetorianrex5571
    @praetorianrex5571 7 місяців тому +6

    Came for Pyro, stayed for Ruby.

  • @velvetbirds1780
    @velvetbirds1780 7 місяців тому +6

    I'd love to see these for the other elements too like cryo. I feel like I don't really understand why characters get visions at all

  • @fangthefabulous1132
    @fangthefabulous1132 Місяць тому +1

    Spoilers
    I LOVE that you were right about the Pyro Archon. You were right, and I immediately thought of this vid when it was confirmed. I woulda come sooner to say this, but I got wrapped up in the story until after I finished 5.1's story.
    All in all, I love how well you got it! You, my man, are a legend!

  • @politeod4199
    @politeod4199 7 місяців тому +3

    Nice video, I expected you to have at least x100 the subs you have now. I'm sure your channel will grow quickly, cheers to that!

  • @genesischaparro8954
    @genesischaparro8954 7 місяців тому +6

    "What does it mean to be An-emo?"

  • @Trevurie
    @Trevurie 7 місяців тому +1

    There's a lot of kids with pyro and who love kids, daddy Arlecchino, with its supportive mom Thoma.

  • @MichaelYates-u7c
    @MichaelYates-u7c 7 місяців тому +1

    Arlecchino may be the 4th Harbinger, but she's the #1 Pyro Harbinger.

  • @beanik835
    @beanik835 6 місяців тому

    Fire is the element of power. The wielders of Pyro have the desire, the will, the drive, and the energy to achieve what they want

    • @aetervespernoxch.6697
      @aetervespernoxch.6697  6 місяців тому

      Counterpoint: Does Amber have more desire, will, drive and energy than Wanderer, Childe and Cyno?

    • @beanik835
      @beanik835 6 місяців тому

      @@aetervespernoxch.6697
      Wanderer is too rebellious and nonchalant to desire anything. Sure he may want revenge on Dottore but it’s not that much driven as he now being taken care of by Nahida. Cyno doesn’t let any of his desires be overtaken by his duties and conviction as an upholder of judgement. He is a fanatic of TCGs but it’s just a side hobby. Childe does desire to look for an equal, but he also has priorities to his family, his peers, and his archon. The only desire from Amber that we know is that she wants to be a better flier from her story quest, and she does fulfill it.

  • @AM-em5bf
    @AM-em5bf 7 місяців тому +3

    What's the name of the background song you use?

    • @aetervespernoxch.6697
      @aetervespernoxch.6697  7 місяців тому +1

      Sadly, you won't be able to find the track 'Aeter lofi', as it was commissioned from Alzha Studio for this channel. I use it often to begin streams, so you may steal as much of the 3:15 long song as you can find.

  • @dnietsche-f
    @dnietsche-f 7 місяців тому +2

    PEOPLE'S DREAMS NEVER DIE!
    INHERITED WILL.

  • @joakinsane
    @joakinsane 6 місяців тому +1

    Holy fck chef mao is xiangling's dad? 🤯🤯🤯🤯

  • @ilgarsenol3230
    @ilgarsenol3230 7 місяців тому +2

    Like and Comment so this video can reach more people

  • @dipalibaul9120
    @dipalibaul9120 6 місяців тому +2

    GIVE ME KLEE WITCH OUTFIT

  • @Saphori_de_Rosa
    @Saphori_de_Rosa 6 місяців тому +1

    Pyro is my favorite element, claymore is cool(seriously who hate swinging a big sword in the fight) and i hope the archon is a boy
    I mean we have zhongli(man),raiden(woman),nahida(child),furina(girl),venti(femboy), would it be great if murata use a boy design

    • @aetervespernoxch.6697
      @aetervespernoxch.6697  6 місяців тому

      I'm sorry to say Murata has already been said to be a woman.
      I'm also happy to say that Murata was the Pyro Archon about 2,000 years ago. We don't know if she has died since then, seeing as Vennessa didn't recognize the name 1,000 years ago.

    • @Saphori_de_Rosa
      @Saphori_de_Rosa 6 місяців тому +1

      @@aetervespernoxch.6697 oh it's alright, thank you for the information, now i'm just gonna LET HOYO COOK!

    • @oneperson1772
      @oneperson1772 6 місяців тому +1

      You can check out the teyvat travail video in their official channel if you haven't yet. They give hints about all the future archon quests.

  • @Evonyy
    @Evonyy 6 місяців тому +1

    May-i ask is Diluc's ancestors from Natlan?

    • @aetervespernoxch.6697
      @aetervespernoxch.6697  6 місяців тому +1

      Diluc is descended from the Ragnvindr clan, a long line of knights from Mondstadt. However, the first Knight of Favonius, Vennessa, was from Natlan. The original Ragnvindr was her ally in toppling the aristocracy, however it's unknown if the two bloodlines ever mingled.
      The bright red hair far precedes Vennessa's time, back to the days of Venti's rebellion against Decarabian.

    • @Evonyy
      @Evonyy 6 місяців тому +1

      @@aetervespernoxch.6697 ok ! And thx for the answer

  • @sahil00001
    @sahil00001 7 місяців тому +2

    Maybe Bennett is pyro archon 🫠

  • @marcinpilarski2412
    @marcinpilarski2412 6 місяців тому +1

    I can't help but feel a bit off with this analysis - Like, it does seem to be true, but... Xinyan didn't really inherit anything - instead brought changes to the tradition
    Gaming defied his family's legacy and instead focused on Wushou Dancing...
    I think there is something much more important here that was lost amidst the stories - the burning desire of the Pyro
    All of these characters have something in common and that is the fact that their Ambition (and ambitions are closely tied to Visions) is some goal they follow - hell, even the Agnidus Agate shows this - "burnt to cinders for a dream"
    Some of them do indeed put their passion into following into the legacy's footsteps, but many "defy" the legacy and forge their own, better path, fueled by their goal

    • @aetervespernoxch.6697
      @aetervespernoxch.6697  6 місяців тому +2

      I believe every vision wielder has a goal they are passionate about. (Pyro and Geo especially)
      What I find unique about Pyro is the passing of the torch. After all, the Agate follows up that quote with "If the intention yet remains, achieved ****'s wish he has."
      This implies that the trials they face are for another's ambition.
      Gaming does not follow his family's legacy, but the tradition of Wushou dancing. One of the last practitioners.
      Honestly, of all the playable characters, Xinyan is the one I'm least confident in. I believe she's taking a small indie scene and turning it into something more akin to a Liyue tradition (she had to learn all about it from somewhere, after all). Or Hoyo just wanted the rockstar to have pyrotechnics. We may never know.

    • @marcinpilarski2412
      @marcinpilarski2412 6 місяців тому +3

      @@aetervespernoxch.6697 hm... Maybe we can combine that - a burning desire to fulfill someone else's ambition, claiming that ambition as their own
      Also, Geo... That's a very interesting case as well... Will you be making a video about that too later?

    • @aetervespernoxch.6697
      @aetervespernoxch.6697  6 місяців тому +2

      @@marcinpilarski2412 I think that works nicely.
      Yes, I'm doing all 7 elements. New uploads every Saturday 6PM, PST.
      Out of curiosity, what do you think of the 4 I've yet to release?

    • @njorlpinipini
      @njorlpinipini 6 місяців тому +2

      Xinyan didn’t ‘inherit’ the torch from anyone, but she is still ‘passing it’ by introducing rock and roll to a brand new audience.

  • @Kiroswan
    @Kiroswan 7 місяців тому +3

    bennett

  • @Stormcrosser
    @Stormcrosser 7 місяців тому +1

    Your voice is similar like the cool guy

  • @Monkey_D_Luffy56
    @Monkey_D_Luffy56 7 місяців тому +2

    Hmm sounds familiar

    • @woodywas4549
      @woodywas4549 7 місяців тому +3

      ABD Illustrates parhaps?

  • @nicholasjohnson8932
    @nicholasjohnson8932 4 місяці тому

    The power of an organizing idea is not what it includes, but what it *excludes*. Sadly, your theory excludes almost nothing (except maybe ironically, Xinyan). Ayaka and Ayato have more family and tradition connections than almost anyone else, yet neither is pyro. And that's just one of a bunch of counter-examples.
    Meanwhile, you label Xinyan as tradition while giving an *anti-tradition* story. Rock 'n Roll wasn't a Liyue tradition, its a novelty that Xinyan introduced. She may be the character *least* connected to tradition in the game.

    • @aetervespernoxch.6697
      @aetervespernoxch.6697  4 місяці тому

      Pyro is the element that has the torch passed on to them; they surpass and often fulfill the dream of their predecessor.
      My definition excludes the following playable characters:
      Alhaitham, Itto, Barbara, Beidou, Candace, Chiori, Chongyun, Clorinde, Collei, Cyno, Diona, Dori, Eula, Faruzan, Fischl, Freminet, Furina, Ganyu, Gorou, Kazuha, Kaeya, Ayato, Kaveh, Keqing, Kirara, Sara, Shinobu, Layla, Lisa, Lynette, Mika, Nilou, Ningguang, Noelle, Qiqi, Shogun, Razor, Rosaria, Sayu, Sethos, Shenhe, Heizou, Sigewinne, Sucrose, Childe, Tighnari, Venti, Wanderer, Wriothesley, Cloud Retainer, Xiao, Xingqiu, Miko, Yaoyao, Yunjin and Zhongli.
      Albedo, Baizhu, Charlotte, Jean, Ayaka, Mona, Nahida, Navia, Neuvillette and Kokomi could be seen as Pyro if their other qualities were ignored.
      10 for and 56 against.
      For specifics, the Kamisatos have stronger virtues than their heritage provided. Ayato didn't inherit a wish, he's just maintaining what's already there. Ayaka has a much stronger sense of isolation, seeing as she is both a warrior born into a dainty role and a socialite locked away in her estate.
      As for Xinyan, her character story specifically states that she is starting a tradition. We can see this in the fact that she's altering Liyue's culture through her influences in Yun Jin and other artists. To address the torch being passed, logically she must have learned rock n' roll somewhere. Either she is boosting a small, underground movement or expanding a foreign culture.
      There will always be some overlap in personalities. Characters would be incredibly boring otherwise. The strongest influence, the virtue that adhere to most, is the one recognized by whoever hands out Visions. What would you argue is the defining trait?

    • @nicholasjohnson8932
      @nicholasjohnson8932 4 місяці тому

      @@aetervespernoxch.6697 Starting a tradition is an anti-tradition story, because it requires a break from past tradition. And altering a culture is an anti-tradition story. (And you won't know its a tradition until later - founders of traditions are founders in retrospect). I mean, basically everybody who does something new is 'starting a potential tradition', and now we have literally everybody. (People who are doing things the old way, and people who are doing things a new way that might potentially become a tradition).
      Your theory does not exclude: Alhaitham (restores the traditions of the academy), Itto (his gang is his family, starts a bunch of traditions in events - beetle fighting tournaments, rock concert tours, etc...), Candace (inherits the Guardianship of Aaru Village - family and tradition), Chongyun (Comes from a family of exorcists, whom he exceeds by being so good that evil spirits flee at his approach. And his aspirations are about continuing that family tradition), Clorinde (pursues the traditional role of the duelist in Fontaine, which she arguably elevates. Also following in the footsteps of her teacher), Ayato (family and tradition), Yun Jin (dedicated to traditional opera). As to archons, Zhongli embodies and maintains the traditions of Liyue in a way no other archon does for their nations, hard to see how he's excluded. That was 2 minutes and just grabbing ones that I knew were obviously related to family and tradition. (And I could easily go on - Nilou maintains and heightens the traditions of dance associated with the Goddess of Flowers, for example).
      Once you assign Xinyan to 'tradition' and Arlecchino to 'family', pretty much everyone fits into the box.
      I would argue that we don't know yet why people get the vision they get, but it has *nothing* to do with the archons, because Ei tells us flat out that archons don't decide who gets visions or which visions.
      A good theory would be one where you could take someone who knew nothing about Genshin impact, give them your definitions for who gets each type of vision, and give them character backstories, and they could assign near 100% of characters to the right vision type based on that information. Just so stories about why characters who have a pyro vision got that pyro vision are ad hoc and unpersuasive. Show me someone who doesn't know what the right answer is can get to the right answer through a theoretical schema (which requires being able to exclude the characters who don't belong to each vision from the ones that do), and that would be persuasive evidence.

    • @aetervespernoxch.6697
      @aetervespernoxch.6697  4 місяці тому

      @@nicholasjohnson8932 Are you saying to find a better subcategory than 'tradition'? I already explained how Xinyan continues and elevates the legacy of those who came before, whether from a small indie scene or traveling musician(s).
      To further explain those who do not fulfill legacies,
      Alhaitham goes against tradition by not using the Akasha. He did not restore tradition, he merely replaced a broken cog.
      Itto does not seek to accomplish another's dream. He seeks to accomplish his own dream of curing racism.
      Candace specifically upends tradition, often being chided by the village elders.
      Chongyun cannot live up to other exorcists' legacies as he can never exorcise.
      Clorinde goes against everything the Marechaussee Hunters stand for.
      Ayato, as I said before, does not inherit a wish. He is only maintaining what was already established.
      Yun Jin is changing what came before. Opera was once about grand spectacle where it is now becoming more personal stories.
      Zhongli had no one of note before him.
      Nilou practices dancing, which is against Sumeru's established culture.
      'Tradition' and 'family' are subcategories used to explain where the legacy they continue originated. Arlecchino took over after her 'mother' and fulfilled the wish of her sister Clervie.
      I would argue we have enough evidence to piece it together. At this point, I have covered the seven elements, the Vision casings, the power distribution system and how wishes are deemed 'worthy'. With a sample size this large, we have plenty of data to work with. As for the archons giving them out, I have not made that claim. I have, however, said that the archons portion off slivers of their gnosis power for Visions. With Neuvillette, we can see this can be done well in advance, so it is not unreasonable to believe Makoto split some off in advance and almost got the amount right, seeing as Electro Visions stopped being gifted only recently. As for why, I think Makoto was under no illusions that her sister is kind of a girlfailure.
      If you want the TL;DW, the Visions are gifted to those who embody one of seven virtues:
      Legacy; to fulfill another's ambition,
      Diligence; to uphold an oath,
      Independence; to do what others cannot,
      Imagination; to reject normality,
      Sacrifice; to give unto others,
      Belonging; to seek acceptance,
      Charity; to become a pillar.
      I have simplified them into shortened, vague names, much like the seven deadly sins and I have not yet covered who decided on the virtues or why. If a character's wish has overlap with multiple virtues, the most relevant takes precedent. For instance, Hu Tao overlaps with Hydro in her duty to protect the balance of life and death. However, her wish was more specifically to continue her grandfather's work, hence Pyro.
      I hope that better explains it. I'll ask again, though. What do you think the connecting themes of the elements are?

  • @Vizible21
    @Vizible21 7 місяців тому +1

    This video assumes that Hoyo is very consistent with their characters. It's funny when Genshin players have this out of this world theory that makes the game more interesting than what it actually is in game. Lmao. Remember folks canon is only what the game tells you not this overanalyzed shite like what most Genshin lore videos do.

    • @Chopsparillo
      @Chopsparillo 7 місяців тому +5

      Idk, Chongyun’s vision story straight up says that there’s a difference between why people get what elements.
      It questions what ambition/wish/desire his vision responded to to give him cryo when he’s more suited to Pyro (which tbh goes along with this Theory since he comes from a long like or exorcists.)