Every single time you get politicians involved in anything; it gets screwed up terribly. Involving slavery, or Indians is ludicrous. This is about the battle that took place at the time nothing more. It's not about anything extended ancient perceived slight. Grow up.
But it's not historic in not being a part of the battle. There is no desecration in having it outside the perimeter. Everything modern should be removed and relocated, except/ impossible huge skyscrapers. Light poles, trash bins ( hidden in bushes) , traffic signs etc.) Turn it back to 1835 .as much as possible. Get every store across the street out of there and maybe a few more
@@mariocisneros911 That would be difficult. The original North Wall was where the Federal building is now. They can't take back all the land where the original complex was located.
That Trevino guy clearly has anterior motives and doesn't care about the Alamo or its specific history but wants to interject other perceived historical grievances into it for his own purposes.
This so pathetic. It’s taking so long. Everyone can agree on a good design that honors a battle crucial to the the independence of the state. Remove the business from the the front of the Alamo down to the river. Remove the street. And create a quiet park of reflection and memorial. We shouldn’t have committee discussing how it’s going honor animals, or LGBTQ, or whatever the cause of the day is. It’s a war memorial and a symbol of state pride. Let’s just make it about that.
I wanted the New York Sept 11 site designed for memorial with a park, water and flowers. But business wanted an ugly corporate building for money. That's sacrilegious to the 2000s who died there
If you're talking about tearing down the Woolworth building, as if there's nothing historic in that, then it doesn't surprise me you awkwardly throw in LGBTQ as some blanket term for all things in the way of your vision of a proper Texas.
San Antonia is known world wide for what? Without 1836 it would be just another mark on the map and most likely the Alamo itself would have been knocked down decades ago and a night club in its place.
Let's see the beautiful Paseo del Rio, the mild temperatures, other great places ie the missions, San Fernando Cathedral. Fiesta which in fact draws people from all over the world. Military City USA. Great University's, top notch medical center an research. Beautiful Zoo,Parks, National Cemetery.
San Antonio is thinking small. Until they make a large makeover and get the site closer to resemble 1835 it's a failure. That monument is not historical to that period and moving it to another spot doesnt harm and it can stand just a little off the battlefield. By keeping modern structures in and near , it will never achieve its goal respect and reverence
The Alamo is fine the way it is. The decision was approved to keep the mission church (actually as it it was an unrestored church and what is known as the long barrack, the convento walls knocked down rock taken , the Alamo doors hauled off. Trees were growing inside the barrack/ convention walls. We're lucky that every stone around the battlefield wasn't knocked down and hauled away. Businesses around the Plaza shouldn't bear being chased out. I have a distant cousin buried in the Mission San Antonio de Padua. I hope her remains weren't those exhumed. Records of her are in the Alamo Library.
The story didn't explain the objections to moving the cenotaph. Why was that site chosen in 1936? Does that rationale still hold? Why is the new site so much worse? Are there graves of the heroes in there, or is it just a memorial?
@@mariocisneros911 no one has ever offered a cogent argument about why it *shouldn't* be moved. How about keep it super meta and move it, putting a plaque to the cenotaph where the cenotaph was.
Moving war memorials is never done... you don't move a historic war memorial to build a museum... build the museum elsewhere... or don't build it, as it seems they want it to tell the history of things not related to the battle...the memorial was built on the site of the battle, where the people died, leave it be... thays the only reason needed.
There needs to be a Memorial to the Mexican soldiers who died there defending their country against armed, dangerous illegal aliens from the States. And always remember that the Alamo battle was a GREAT Mexican victory for all time! It nice to see all Texas celebrate a Mexican victory!
@@jonchurch6955 If Santa Anna was humiliated in the war so was Crockett, who surrendered TO THE MEXICANS, ONLY TO BE EXECUTED MOMENTS LATER; and Travis who committed suicide at the north wall when he saw all was lost, and Bowie who was killed under his bed covers. MASSACRE? Look the word up in a dictionary, in no way was the Alamo a massacre for they fought back! As for General Santa Anna, many generals have been defeated in war, read some military history! Your Alamo knowledge is VERY poor and useless to anyone but you.
Nice try, but history reveals your ignorance. The defenders of the Alamo were not illegal aliens, they were settlers that had the permission from the Mexican government to occupy land and cultivate it. They paid taxes to the Mexican government and only when they were forced to accept the religious beliefs of the Mexican Theocracy they rebelled. Now, the Mexican Army and the ruthless General Santa Anna (who was an inept despot) came to destroy these rebels and NOT to negotiate. The Mexicans were the aggressors. In the end Santa Anna, being a narcissistic megalomaniac, put the Republic of Mexico at grave risk by personally coming to Texas to command his Army while president of the country. When he lost at San Jacinto and was captured by General Sam Houston he was forced to sign over Texas as part of the terms of his surrender. An idiotic move on his part because he either faced execution or losing a huge portion of his country. I call that a Joe Biden move, he should have stayed in Mexico City.
@@es2056 It was NOT a nice try, but past historical facts & actions. Over 90% of the Almo defenders had only been in Texas for less than six months, yes, they WERE and ARE illegal aliens from the States. Even legal colonists did not pay taxes to the Mexican government as they had agreed to; hence, the conflict. Sure Santa Anna, a very brave, but rash general came to punish the American illegals who came to north Mexico to rob, steal and kill, and history has proven this correct (you do know that Texas is a part of the US, don't you?). Santa did a great job in Texas, he destroyed the American illegals at Goliad, the Alamo, Agua Dulce, etc. Yes, he was defeated at the San Jacinto Massacre, however, don't act like he was the only general in history who ever surrendered after being defeated. At Stalingrad, 20 German generals surrendered in bed sheets, because it was so cold that winter, to the Russians. Did Mexico REALLY lose Texas? There's 40 MILLION Mexican Americans in this country, plus 28 million undocumented ones per your conservative big mouths. Oh well...! and don't ever forget the Alamo, a GREAT Mexican victory for all time!
When the elected officials don't represent the citizens who elected them, it's time to elect new officials.
Amen to that
But what if the richest hold more opinion? The majority are middle and low income plus 50% are hispanic ?
@@mariocisneros911 This town is 80% Latino and the mayor a radical lefty carpetbagger from Boston.
Every single time you get politicians involved in anything; it gets screwed up terribly. Involving slavery, or Indians is ludicrous. This is about the battle that took place at the time nothing more. It's not about anything extended ancient perceived slight. Grow up.
Its the temple of David in the bible. That story is false. The story in the bible is the true.
The cinotaph is where the men fought and died.
They died all over . I'm sure even outside the mission grounds. So erecting outside would still be on the battlefield grounds.
But it's not historic in not being a part of the battle. There is no desecration in having it outside the perimeter. Everything modern should be removed and relocated, except/ impossible huge skyscrapers. Light poles, trash bins ( hidden in bushes) , traffic signs etc.) Turn it back to 1835 .as much as possible. Get every store across the street out of there and maybe a few more
@@mariocisneros911 That would be difficult. The original North Wall was where the Federal building is now. They can't take back all the land where the original complex was located.
@@mariocisneros911 It would cost millions of dollars to move even one Tourist Trap store where the west wall was.
@@johnadams5489 they're already spending that money . Does it look the best they could've done ?
Mr Trevino says this has became a political issue now. Everything he does is political with a racial bias.
He has a chip on his shoulder.
A Cenotaph honoring the fallen Spanish defenders of San Antonio against the Mexican Revolutionaries should be built on the plaza too.
Why them terrorist Spaniards 😂
That Trevino guy clearly has anterior motives and doesn't care about the Alamo or its specific history but wants to interject other perceived historical grievances into it for his own purposes.
It's already a museum.
I HATE EVERYTHING about this ! Prison yards are more inviting than this scorched Earth nightmare.
Leave the Alamo alone.
100%
They didn't , throughout their history , that's the mistake. What they built after 1837- today shouldn't be there and should be removed
They didnt . How would like a Ripley's s, a Woolworths, etcetera built after??? Well they did and no one screamed stop
So let me understand this, the Alamo won’t be on Alamo St. GET A CLUE NUMBSKULLS
This so pathetic. It’s taking so long. Everyone can agree on a good design that honors a battle crucial to the the independence of the state. Remove the business from the the front of the Alamo down to the river. Remove the street. And create a quiet park of reflection and memorial. We shouldn’t have committee discussing how it’s going honor animals, or LGBTQ, or whatever the cause of the day is. It’s a war memorial and a symbol of state pride. Let’s just make it about that.
I wanted the New York Sept 11 site designed for memorial with a park, water and flowers. But business wanted an ugly corporate building for money. That's sacrilegious to the 2000s who died there
San Antonio is a city where infrastructure develops very slowly.
If you're talking about tearing down the Woolworth building, as if there's nothing historic in that, then it doesn't surprise me you awkwardly throw in LGBTQ as some blanket term for all things in the way of your vision of a proper Texas.
You and the silent majority keep on saying. Were the majority not minority.
Tejano
When they started talking about the complaints coming from the indigenous group that settled there BEFORE the Alamo I literally LOL’d 🤦♂️
You ,as far as I see,don't respect people.
@@johnstauffer1032 Did you ever think about who settled there before the indigenous group in question? Exactly.
San Antonia is known world wide for what? Without 1836 it would be just another mark on the map and most likely the Alamo itself would have been knocked down decades ago and a night club in its place.
Let's see the beautiful Paseo del Rio, the mild temperatures, other great places ie the missions, San Fernando Cathedral. Fiesta which in fact draws people from all over the world. Military City USA. Great University's, top notch medical center an research. Beautiful Zoo,Parks, National Cemetery.
San Antonio is thinking small. Until they make a large makeover and get the site closer to resemble 1835 it's a failure. That monument is not historical to that period and moving it to another spot doesnt harm and it can stand just a little off the battlefield. By keeping modern structures in and near , it will never achieve its goal respect and reverence
There’s only so much that you can do when the Alamo sits in the heart of downtown. Consequence of building a city around a battleground.
The Alamo is fine the way it is. The decision was approved to keep the mission church (actually as it it was an unrestored church and what is known as the long barrack, the convento walls knocked down rock taken , the Alamo doors hauled off. Trees were growing inside the barrack/ convention walls. We're lucky that every stone around the battlefield wasn't knocked down and hauled away. Businesses around the Plaza shouldn't bear being chased out. I have a distant cousin buried in the Mission San Antonio de Padua. I hope her remains weren't those exhumed. Records of her are in the Alamo Library.
The story didn't explain the objections to moving the cenotaph. Why was that site chosen in 1936? Does that rationale still hold? Why is the new site so much worse? Are there graves of the heroes in there, or is it just a memorial?
It's just a memorial created when Roosevelt was president and the centenial
@@mariocisneros911 no one has ever offered a cogent argument about why it *shouldn't* be moved. How about keep it super meta and move it, putting a plaque to the cenotaph where the cenotaph was.
Moving war memorials is never done... you don't move a historic war memorial to build a museum... build the museum elsewhere... or don't build it, as it seems they want it to tell the history of things not related to the battle...the memorial was built on the site of the battle, where the people died, leave it be... thays the only reason needed.
Save Texas history leave it how it is
What was taught to children wasnt true. Sorry but a lie. Lots of our United States History is a cover up.
Audio is garbage
There needs to be a Memorial to the Mexican soldiers who died there defending their country against armed, dangerous illegal aliens from the States. And always remember that the Alamo battle was a GREAT Mexican victory for all time! It nice to see all Texas celebrate a Mexican victory!
Santa Anna was humiliated in the Texas revolution. He committed a massacre at the Alamo.
@@jonchurch6955 If Santa Anna was humiliated in the war so was Crockett, who surrendered TO THE MEXICANS, ONLY TO BE EXECUTED MOMENTS LATER; and Travis who committed suicide at the north wall when he saw all was lost, and Bowie who was killed under his bed covers. MASSACRE? Look the word up in a dictionary, in no way was the Alamo a massacre for they fought back! As for General Santa Anna, many generals have been defeated in war, read some military history! Your Alamo knowledge is VERY poor and useless to anyone but you.
Who did the Mexicans steal the land from?
Nice try, but history reveals your ignorance. The defenders of the Alamo were not illegal aliens, they were settlers that had the permission from the Mexican government to occupy land and cultivate it. They paid taxes to the Mexican government and only when they were forced to accept the religious beliefs of the Mexican Theocracy they rebelled. Now, the Mexican Army and the ruthless General Santa Anna (who was an inept despot) came to destroy these rebels and NOT to negotiate. The Mexicans were the aggressors. In the end Santa Anna, being a narcissistic megalomaniac, put the Republic of Mexico at grave risk by personally coming to Texas to command his Army while president of the country. When he lost at San Jacinto and was captured by General Sam Houston he was forced to sign over Texas as part of the terms of his surrender. An idiotic move on his part because he either faced execution or losing a huge portion of his country. I call that a Joe Biden move, he should have stayed in Mexico City.
@@es2056 It was NOT a nice try, but past historical facts & actions. Over 90% of the Almo defenders had only been in Texas for less than six months, yes, they WERE and ARE illegal aliens from the States. Even legal colonists did not pay taxes to the Mexican government as they had agreed to; hence, the conflict. Sure Santa Anna, a very brave, but rash general came to punish the American illegals who came to north Mexico to rob, steal and kill, and history has proven this correct (you do know that Texas is a part of the US, don't you?). Santa did a great job in Texas, he destroyed the American illegals at Goliad, the Alamo, Agua Dulce, etc. Yes, he was defeated at the San Jacinto Massacre, however, don't act like he was the only general in history who ever surrendered after being defeated. At Stalingrad, 20 German generals surrendered in bed sheets, because it was so cold that winter, to the Russians. Did Mexico REALLY lose Texas? There's 40 MILLION Mexican Americans in this country, plus 28 million undocumented ones per your conservative big mouths. Oh well...! and don't ever forget the Alamo, a GREAT Mexican victory for all time!