I AM SHOCKED BY CANYON BIKES!! (CANYON AEROAD CFR)
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alright I will say it, this bike looks very very nice lmao
Buddy! You bought an Elves bike!!! Not only direct-consumer but also dirt cheap. 😂
Also, don't you make more money on maintenance and repairs than selling a brand bike?
Really nice bike. That seat flex is crazy, especially for full carbon. Would like to see a follow up on that if you can. Thanks.
hey can you please tell me how high can the seatpost go on the sl7 because it says 380 mm but i dont know if its 38 cm outside the frame or 38 cm with the 75mm insert depth inside the frame so its 305mm outside length please help
Indeed looks nice, but boring at the sane time. Seemingly they all look too similar these days 😢
I own 2 Canyon (Ultimate and Neuron) and they are by far the most outbalanced bikes I ever owned. Lightweight, playful. fast, comfortable, stiff, well finished and clean looking. I am a proud Canyon customer for sure.
I'm tired of waiting for Trek to release their Madone SLs in Canada. I'm this close to pulling the plug on a Canyon.
Canyon need to give consumers the option of choosing bar/stem sizes when buying a bike. The whole “this is the bar/stem size that comes with the frame size” is bullsh*t. They should also give consumers wheel options, not everyone wants to ride 62mm deep wheels.
Or just sell the frameset without the handlebar and just slap some handlebar from other brands.
@@pinoyxboxproprietary headset design means there I no option except Canyon cockpit which they won’t sell.
After riding my bike for a couple months and realizing I need more reach I bought the center portion of the integrated cockpit from canyon directly. They will sell you that part after the fact but you will have to redo the lines for the hydraulic brakes. Pain in the ass and wish they would have given me an option.
@@andrewdullas3684sucks
Integrated handlebar and internal cables suck
Thanks GC, I bought my first road bike in 2020 and was pleased to pick up a Canyon Endurance AL7 Disc from Canyon’s Outlet. Last year I upgraded to the Ultimate CF SL Rim Brake, very happy with both bikes.
The stopper you point out at 8:20 is just a plug for a third water bottle holder position. You can put the water bottle either lower or high on the down tube. It's just a plug instead of a screw, maybe to save 5 grams? Same deal on my used speedmax frame
$8500 is a "steal of a deal"? That's insanity. Bike prices have become so perverse.
It's crazy but a similar soec from another brand seems to be $2k more at least
8k bike right there. That's why i love Canyon.
Until you try to get a different length stem. “100mm is what should work for most riders” is what they told me. Umm… I’ve been riding/racing for 20+ years, think I know what I ride.
*$8500
@@martymann83 you're not wrong. I'm just glad it worked out for me.
Does the seat post creak, and did they fix the issue once and for all?
Appreciate the honesty - and the candor… “Aged like fine milk…” 🤣🤣🤣🤣…
hahahahah that video was brutal after specialized did direct to consumer I felt like such a twat
@@GCPerformance18 😂😂😂🍻
@@GCPerformance18Has Specialized direct to consumer affected your business in anyway?
I hate the idea of bike shops going out of business, but I own a canyon ultimate and love it. I still go to my local shops regularly for almost everything else, apparel, shoes, parts, etc... but buying bikes online just saves so much for people like me that can't spend even 8k on a bike.
I am turning a new leaf and taking all the new canyons into my shop trying to capitalize
@@GCPerformance18finally! WTF not?
@@GCPerformance18 I have always wondered why tf would bike shops do that to canyon owners. It is a terrible bussiness decision. If you send me away with my canyon you can be sure that I will never come back with anything. But if you help me with my canyon, I will come back again and who knows, maybe eventually I will buy a new bike from you too.
at my shop i work at we always took in canyon bikes and so many people would come in! I believe that any bike can come into a shop and be serviced (to an extent) almost every bike uses SRAM or Shimano or Campy, so that eliminates over 30-50% of common problems bikes may have. I love canyons they let people have premium product for a fraction of what trek or specialized make. We love our canyon custys @@sedliska
omg that hub sound was the most beautiful sound that I have heard this year so far, great looking bike, great review amigo
very very nice
I just bought an canyon ultimate 105 di2. I was looking for a relatively inexpensive bike I could ride on the road and have a second set of wheels to ride gravel once in awhile. This bike does just that. I’ve had a seat post clamp issue right out the box but they immediately fixed that. I would have preferred to buy a bike from my local bike shop but there were no bikes available in the country my size that would do the road and gravel I was looking for. I am happy with the bike but I would rather support the bike shops.
thx for the honest review - I’m a fan of the LBS and Canyon - I have this bike in the SLX level with SRAM force and absolutely love it - and they don’t skim on the components either - all I would say is you ideally need to have some decent mechanic skills which I have taught myself - my Aeroad needed quite a few adjustments out of the box - so not for everyone
yea they need, some adjustments usually on every bike, there is nothing ever that is complete lol
Hey, I just saw your comment under this video. Sorry for the late message but I am looking to buy exactly the same bike slx with sram. I am nor very savy when it comes to bike mechanics what adjustments did you need to do? I have a bike which has been fitted to me so know what geometry I want and the size L fits that close to perfect so im thinking I would only need to fix the seat setback and potentially remove some spacers from the stem? Oh and change the width of the handlebar if needed. Should I expect to make any other adjustments? Thanks!
@@RasmusFrie the Canyon sizing guide is very accurate on the Aeroad - i'm 5/9 and usually take a M but they recommended S and it is a good fit - only thing i adjusted was the handlebar width which is a nice feature of the bike. Still loving it.
Hi you! Luckily we have flagshipstores and certificated canyon partner workshops all around the country. So support is given, speaking for us consumers in Germany. I live about 200km away from the Canyon HQ…so its not the same feeling like for you oversea guys, I know your struggle to send the complete bike in boxes with expensively shipping prices besides the time issues etc. Canyon is a dediceted dtc brand, so why the common hate. You don‘t have to buy there. A guy like me with a workstand, tools and the will to fix most things by myself is also a targetgroup :) save thousands and put some effort in mainenance. Et voila, bike on. Greetings from Stuttgart, Germany.
Yup, Americans love complaining about not getting what they want while spending less😂
I have de sl model with ultegra di2. This bike is spot on what i can ride all day long. Most narrow handlebar setug gives me most relaxed fast feel. Stiff comfortable , at the same time so easy to steer fast. Nice you work also on the canyons. Smart dessigen, if you can’t beat them join them and service this brand can give you also profit.
Just returned a new Endurace CF SLX - bike size correct but can’t change the stem length, and can’t change my body as Canyon business model seems to require.
I’ve been riding the CF SLX version since it launched in 2021. They gave me a whole new frame but can confirm the seatpost remains an issue and the bike is not meant for bigger guys. I’m 6’6 and about 225 and my seatpost continues to creak and slip almost every ride
I returned my canyon aeroad because of this issue. I heard they redesign the seatpost mechanism for 2024, though. It's too late for me. I got the 2023 Trek madone
Have you tried carbon paste?
The other thing Canyon does is allows consumers to purchase factory blemish and demo bikes with actual photos on the website. That is what I did, got a 12 speed cf slx for 5700 delivered incl tax. Only a very minor buff mark on the flat paint section. Amazing riding, super fast and surprisingly comfortable bike. Same as another said I wish I could get a longer and narrower stem though.
yes, specialized used to do this and allow dealers access ot these bikes and it was a huge section of sales for us back in the day..... we do not have this option anymore but this was called "blem" bikes. they were all bikes with blemsihes
Beautiful bike indeed. I got to test ride the SLX model. Fell in love with it. They're winning when it comes to pricing as well. Also the bike now come with 4iiii powermeter!
I wopuld love to fell the difference of the slx model, to see how it feels
Can you fit an after market bar stem on it? Like if you wanted to go with a 36cm or 38cm width.
I do not know to be honest, I never took one apart, that would be a qwuesiton for them
Canyon has been in the winners circle like crazy , MVP is a great rider, I have the 3, Specialized,Trek & Canyon, the Canyon is a great bike & like u said great bang for buck
I’ve heard from Francis Cade’s mechanic friend (who has some questionable takes imo), That the handlebar is a pain to service because of the design. Have you found that to be the case as well because it seems like all integrated handlebars are a pain.
I have not had to do anything it yet but to be honest, I don't think it would be that difficult to fix to be honest lol
My man…
This is what’s great about you and people like you-open minded to things, and willing to put it out there. Canyon is certainly making everyone pay attention, and I hope that means changes for bike shops like yours. I see more Treks and Specialized bikes than anything else, so all they have do to help you is lower that price point a bit. You will keep selling volume, IMO, but if you can buy the top end and the mid tier Canyon for the same price as an SL8…that’s a problem for guys like you. I have both, and the full retail is $14500USD. that’s the cfr and the cf slx8.
Take the cost of the bikes down, and charge $$$ to customize things like paint, components, etc…
Wish you nothing but success regardless of how it goes.
:) I appreciate it very much, all I can do is mold with the times, I wish it wasnt like this I wish specialized was how it use to be before pandemic too but this seems to be the way. tight squeeze on retailers and big moves for consumer direct
@@GCPerformance18 I agree. I’ve seen at least 5 bike shops close in the last 3yrs, 10 over the last 7yrs, and it’s because they can’t sell enough low end bikes to make that rent. And where I live, the market isn’t as robust for the very top end bikes as other places. There are only 3 shops that I know of that are guaranteed sustainability, and that’s due to either their location, or the one that I frequent, he does frame damage investigations for Trek. The $$$ that he has invested for proprietary tools, or money that he spends to maintain his credentials as a mechanic is ridiculous.
So, as I said before, I feel for you guys, but the bike manufacturers and companies like Shimano are putting the retailers in a very difficult position, one that is exacerbated with companies like Canyon doing what they are doing.
Again, best of luck bro.
@@GCPerformance18the customer is what matters. You’re just a middle person, you have no value beyond that. Innovate or move on.
Where did you buy the Garmin mount?
Thank you
Canyon have it or with light too
The "stop" below the bottle cage. So you can run the cage lower if you only run 1 cage. More aero.
perfect thank you!!!
I had an issue with my Canyon, actioned the guarantee, my closest Canyon support shop was 70km away but they told me I could go to any LBS and they would cover the costs.
Yeah this is great. FWIW Decathlon will also do this, at least in the UK.
Another fair and excellent review! Thanks!
Thanks for watching! :)
What would you recommend to make it 6.9kg lighter wheels how light do you tgink it could be with reasonable spending.
First thing is lighter tubes tpu and tires. Then you could look at super light wheels like craft racing wheels
Wow those are pretty light at 1150 grams, seems like a very good price for the quality thanks for the recommendation.
Nice.. what is the reason the guy bought it into your shop ? Was it just for review or repair ? Pete 👍😃🚴🏻
That’s my boy. You have to admit it’s fire!! 😎
I love love all your videos. I'm in Apopka FL. Like you will build my bike. I'm going to go onyx hubs. I cannot understand why your bike needs to make any sound. Saturday/Sunday morning. West orange trail by my house. I'm not stressing out walkers or trying to be loud. I have rock and roll in my ears and moving. I need everyone to stay right where they are. I'll say good morning after the silent blow by... so less complicated. They never know you came up on them . Just keep distance and be polite.
I have two sets of ONYX Vesper wheels I built to my specifications. I love the silence. Like you said, I sneak up on walkers and such so they don't make any sudden moves until I am past them. It just works. It's hard for some people to imagine but my bike just feels so much smoother too.
Not gonna lie! The machine is gorgeous!
Cheers to external cabling and maintaining your own bikes
The CFR is by far the best bike I ever rode and owned
Same here
What size frame is a 56, would it be medium or large?
I would say medium.
Look up the stack and reach figures if you want to know the actual size.
At least they are making bikes so hard for most consumers to work on we need to use a LBS for mechanical work.
This bike interests me but the thing that worries me is that you can barely raise the handlebar at all. I am not sure I would be comfortable with such saddle drop.
Heard customer support sucks. Wish more people talked about that. Usually that's what you're purchasing, their customer service support for their product.
I have two Canyons…customer service has been excellent.
Customer service has been great for me 💯
Customer service is one of the places they cut cost. If you don’t have issues with the bike canyon is great but if you do have problems or need to warranty you are in for a world of suffering and frustration.
don't know where you are, never had any issues with customer service in Australia, got the spear parts shipped within 3 days.
Hey GC, let's get a new Endurace on the show! That is a bike most people can actually ride.
I would love too, I acttually love endurance bikes, i am not the biggest fan of the newest roubaixs with the future shock I miss the old school sl6 roubaix tall headtube slacker fork, I miss those designs I think canyon did a bang up job with there newest bike
We’ve been telling you this!! 😂😂
I proudly rip around town on the CF SLX and I LOOOOOVE IT. I feel so fast when I ride it. My only complaint is that the pwr meter (4iii) wont work properly with my Garmin 1040 and the head set needs constant up keep on tightening.
So did you drive over it with your truck yet?
Hahahahaha yea sequel coming soon. “Easiest way to destroy a bike with a heavy duty truck”
It's a shame Canyon is viewed as the enemy. But damn, kudos to you for trying something new and working on them now. I hope this pays dividends for you.
hahaha he was a really good customer and friend and i have worked on canyons before so I do not mind, but yea he is a good guy
More and more canyons are coming into the carbon repair shops.
Canyon is the enemy in the eye of the bike shops, not the consumer..
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f Fair enough.
Hi Grant, can you please tell me how the new Winspace Agile prototype compares with the SL8 and other top end bikes like this Canyon? I am wondering whether I should wait for the Winspace to be released or spend my money now. Thanks
I have a Canyon and it’s one of the best bikes I have ever had. I would buy another one no hesitation.
3:23 why don’t you think so? They look clean, are innovative and are consistently winning on the biggest stages (as you said yourselves) also not sure if the majority would prefer the looks of a Dogma F compared to an Ultimate and parts of the appeal of those bikes is just that they are rare and super expensive. (Also „if a Dogma F would be 8500 is a BIG „if“😂)
the logo to me just looks off for some reason and the rear wheel fearing "to me" looks cheezy idk.... could just be biased hate
Why does this bike have the normal lettering and not the green one I can’t see it anywhere on their site
ps I own one and it’s amazing ordered it and got in 5 days later
Nvm it’s not the new new 2023 frame still 😍
Love my Aeroad except for the fact that I can’t get a replacement handlebar with longer stem (that I’m willing to pay for). Asked them about longer stem and they literally told me that they can’t sell me a 120mm option bc they use them on the production bikes. Am I not a paying customer? Oh yeah and it only took them 2 weeks to answer my question.
Bought a longer stem for mine two weeks ago (US Canyon to Texas). It was delivered in 4 days from purchase. I called, expecting poor customer service (due to internet/Reddit feedback), and surprisingly they had stock, took me 10 mins to sort out. Changing out the bar (only got the center portion, reused the drops from the existing) required a visit to a good local shop but they had it swapped in a couple days from when I dropped it off.
@@andrewdullas3684 you has better luck than me.
I believe you are talking about different models, with different cockpits.
@@Penalist I don’t think so as I would only be looking for center portion of bar as well.
Canyon owner here. The bottle cages are not included lmao
Yes, that is a beautiful bike
I have this exact bike and love it
very nice
40 bar width is not narrow enough for a size medium especially on an Aero bike.
Canyon's medium equals other brands' large.
The S has a 90mm stem, on an aero bike.
Good to change your mind when confronted with new evidence. 👍
yes we all have to adapt and cant be stuck in our ways, if it makes sense it makes sense
Mid and high end bikes prices have become a joke.
100% a beautiful bike
I wonder if a silca garmin mount would work on this cockpit been that if you buy the one from canyon your basically stuck with their light🤷
I do not think so, the silca I think you need to screw into an outfront stem
@@GCPerformance18 wow well that sort of sucks
On the topic of would Canyon be a big deal if other brands were the same price? No, I don’t think so, at least not to this level yet. Their entry into everyone’s mind space was their value proposition, add to that the performance of their sponsored athletes and they had the perfect combo. If Specialized were selling s-works tarmacs for $9-10k, and matched the prices of the rest of their tiers with entry builds coming in at $2-3k, I’m sure Canyon would’ve just been a niche brand for much longer than it was. Canyon just ran a sale on a CFR with dura-ace for $6600 and damn I had to jump on it for that price. If an, s5, s-works tarmac, or slr Madone could go for that money…
It's gorgeous, but it would look better in all red.
not gonna lie i like the tokyo edition
Do you not make more servicing bikes rather than selling? I.e. if you are making money servicing them does it matter?
to be 100 percent honest we make more money selling bikes
cool review
And you re right let s enjoy the products.. 😂 heavy cromoly...will be back soon...
I don't like the fact that the handlebar cockpit is held together by simply 1 bolt wedge at 12nm
Bike looks amazing…
yea it looks great
I can't get a 120mm stem for a large frame. Their website no longer will even tell you what the length is. Canyon is ridiculous. I can't stand their rubbish website. It is an online retailer!
really? I have heard mixed reviews, some people have had great experiences but usually they do not need help, but when it comes down to getting more information, I have heard it is hard to get responses people want
I could see Jesse Coyle on this
I could as well, get the most of those massive marginal gains from those discs
I have a canyon bike, but $8,500 is not a steal of a deal. Bikes should not cost that much. 🤷♂💯
man it is not a steal of a deal but in terms of relevance of the market in comparable models this is a steal of a deal
Isn't the majority of bike shops sales just repair/maintenance not selling new bikes?
no our store only survives by bike sales, repairs around here are too competitve there is a shop on every corner and mobile repairs everywhere
Canyon can build additional market share by approaching the LBS in selling their bikes. Companies such as Intense has done this and proven positive results. With Canyon offering bikes at these price points they do will / is forcing the bike industry to rethink their marketing strategy and business model. As you noted, top wins has really benefited Canyon. LBS complain all day long about direct to consumer but how has that worked for the shop? It hasn't. In its own right Specialized and Trek have been doing direct sales for decades by opening their own brand specific shops, or flagship shops. Think about this. Specialized owns the factory (mark up bikes), sells to Specialized owned shops (marks up again), and Specialized owned shop sells to consumer (marked up again). Trek and Specialized have done it without mailing a bike to someone's house, until recently.
I would absolutly love that, if they came ot me asking about it for me to sell there biks I would be all for it
@@GCPerformance18 maybe you should reach out to them with the offer to represent Canyon down in Florida. Canyon knows what they are capable of doing in the States. When I worked in the industry my job was to travel the country and establish "authorized repair shops" for our product. By being an authorized shop you would submit your service hour to me for full credit with a check cut promptly. In addition as an authorized repair shop you had inventory to repair or replace parts at no cost.
Them wheels is all I want.😄👌🏼
not a fan of dt swiss they are too generic
@@GCPerformance18 ....so world cycling champions seem to be happy with ' genetic ' wheels....lol👌
they have pressed in bbs
yes that is what I said
Good price 8k stunning bike
Yes, true
value is boss
I have a Canyon Ultimate CFR and a Dogma F both on Dura-Ace 9200. Yes, they feel different, but there is no difference in quality between these bikes. The price difference is huge though.
which do you prefer if you had to keep one.... price is the same
@@GCPerformance18 I would keep Dogma F because it looks better especially with the custom paint job that I have
Dura-Ace power meter 😆 definitely do look it up, but accurate it is not
hahahahha
I guess the question is, why aren't Specialized and such brands cheaper? Canyon is doing more r&d, more sponsorship, and more marketing than the bigger brands and yet still able to undercut prices.
Staff…. Plain and simple. Work force on the field reps for retailers reps for warranty. IT for dealer websites and consumer websites. And also bigger product lines. Specialized has a whole line up of bikes
What makes you think they do more r&d?
Man. I moved out from Sl7 to CFR. Unbelievable - rocket. Screw SL8. Not going back.
Honest question: Where do they differ?
@@Penalist Simple. Stiffness and momentum forward. I have all the rest SWORKS, MTB etc. But SL7 from Venge was already a mistake (for me, 80kg usually "flanders" guy, doing 1300 w in sprint outbursts during race etc). SL8 i lighter - there is no way it will be more stiff then Venge. And magic sentence "stiffness to weight" is only avoiding issue. Imagine they do 100g only heave frame. Stiffness to weight will be amazing. But reality is that you just bent it. (Ant can carry 100x more then his body weight, right? But that does not beat elephant). First time i pedal on CFR - i felt Venge again, felt movement and stiffness.
GC Performance: I AM SHOCKED BY CANYON BIKES!!
Canyon: That's confusing, we never gave you an Electric Bike
This rig makes the SL8 look bad
aero bikes hold a special place in my heart
Canyon US really sucks tho. They offer less options for models/colors/adjustments than Canyon global itself. Accessaries always out of stock, and no parts for their custom handlebar. I want to buy an Aeroad SLX 8 eTap, but they only offer the updated frame with old Force groupsets.
Nice bike but the size I want is always sold out. Been trying to cop for 2 months now it’s a pain in the ass. Might just cop somthin else, fuck them.
Bike shops need to chill out with Canyon. First deciding to refuse working on a canyon bike is a very shitty decision in terms of business. All it's going to do is push customers somewhere else, while complaining Canyon is ruining them. Second, not everyone agrees it's very ethical and fair to add a margin just because you are an intermediate offering sales advice between the producer and buyer. Not everyone asks for this.
"Would Canyon be as popular if an S-Works was also $8500?" Great question
You could say the same thing about S-Works.. It's like a iPhone just paying $15k for a S-Work to fit in and look fancy when that is far from the truth literally paying twice as much for no reason, but look fancy according too the cool kids😆😆🤣.
As a bikestoreholder i don't mind servicing Canyon's(or any other online brand). But we tell the customer they pay double. So far had any troubles. 👍
huahahhaah I like that
How heavy for a £8500 with a knackered seatpost
Certified rocket ship
yes sir
Simply having something built and on a floor in a physical space is not a value for a third party retailer. Get with the program and focus on the consumer.
Love your videos although sometimes disagree with your statements. Now you convinced that Trek is nowhere near Canyon?
I mean it is tough to say, people that have talked about there bad experiences is exactly what I fear when buying there products, not getting responses nto getting help products failing with nno answers or solutions for a while..... where as trek you have store fronts, you know you can speak with someone you know it will be a priority. but also I have heard people having great times with canyon so it is tough
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for the reply GC. Agree ppl might have had good and bad experiences with any manufacturer and/or bike shop. But my point was just comparison of the bikes and their prices. IMHO bike shops (note not you :)) are trying to oversell that buying from bike shop you get their back by not necessarily having their back for the bike they sell but basically turning back to customers having canyon (industry is changing with direct to consumer you know that with Canyon, Factor and brands line winspace )
You really didn't have much of a choice but to work on canyon such as my local shop...
Very true
thats bicycle porn right there!
want to be blown away... SEKA
I have tried to work with them but it always falls through so I have no idea on what happens
For an aero bike, the gap from the down tube and front wheel is absurd
Tight down tube too wheel engineering is only aerodynamically beneficial if the bike is in a perfectly straight line, which...maybe on a TT bike this could be considered, but as a road bike...it's quite unlikely that there would be any benefit. Look at the new BMC - TT frame, the SCOTT Plasma 6, etc. etc.
And with this comment, you just proved you have no idea about what's aero.
"Compliancy"🥴
Been using this exact bike in Mallorca for 4 days.. couldn’t get along with the cockpit, not comfortable at all.
I felt a little stretched when I rode it around, felt like I could not get comfy, but this was only around the blocks and me not messing with the customers seat height or anything
Of course they would people judge based on price they always think more money means better. If all the bikes were the same price I think the cfr would sell most because then you’ll be comparing materials and canyon smokes even the dogma f in the department. Toray M40X is a lighter stiffer much more expensive material then t1100.
The bicycle that starts moving in a gear that corresponds to the terrain can be called safe only. This is easy ua-cam.com/video/qprII2Y-dGA/v-deo.html
what?
@@GCPerformance18 You can get under the wheels of a car by suddenly swerving to the side to keep your balance
The reason I won't buy a Canyon is they don't offer the same and in many ways much nicer colorways in the USA as they do in Germany or even in Canada for that matter. I spoke to one of their reps, but he didn't really offer a good explanation so I'm shopping elsewhere to get exactly what I want.
Terrible Audio Dude 😳
yes
gaps are too big
Canyon doesn’t let you use a different cockpit at the time of purchase and they don’t let you buy one after your purchase. Even thought they make a bunch of different cockpits for pros they won’t sell any of those to you either. Until that changes I’m never going to buy a canyon. It would be a great bike otherwise
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍
hell yea