@@howardjeremym Sounds like a plan...the SFly in a snake skin would probably be easier to cram into my pack than spending moments of my life i'll never get back trying to stuff it in the pack...that it in came from Warbonnet. I contacted them, and they suggested I purchase one of the larger sized sacks. Really? I'm no marketing expert, but I do relate to the old "trying to stuff 20 lbs of "stuff" into a 10 lb bag adage. The last thing ya wanna be dealing with threatening weather or during an actual downpour or impending blizzard.So, dear gear people...try and understand this; people would rather the bag be a little bigger...yes, people know that extra .004 grams of weight won't bother anyone. The ever-so-slight increase in volume can be utilized to put your stakes and extra cord in? Jez sayin. Sure, there may be "that guy/girl " who demands a skin-tight fit for their tarp, but I haven't met them yet. Worst case scenario, tuck the extra .004 grams of material back into the sack. Jez sayin' is all.
Thanks. Ive used other hammock systems but I'm sure after I purchase my warbonnet,soon.I'll be thinking & feeling the same way as you about this hammock..
Funny you say that. I remember thinking that is going to look good having that gust of wind come through. Thanks for the view. Glad you found it useful.
Just a tip to add, use a double ended stuff sack and leave it on the end of the snake skin and you don't have to worry about losing your sack or where you put it.
I have found that if I use 100% shock cord at all attachment points, thee is so much elongation potential that high winds will turn my 11 footer with doors into a giant sail. It was a disaster. I then went with a combination of shock cord and regular cord, thereby limiting the stretch available to about 12 inches max. My buddy did the same but limited his max elongation on each tie-out to about 6 inches which works even better in horrible conditions. The big benefit to shock cord is to take up the slack in the silnylon material as is stretches and to reduce damage if someone trips over your tie outs. The 6 inch amount seems to be best. Thanks for the video. Very nice.
G Henrickson I haven't had that problem and I've been in some pretty strong wind. Try turning your setup 90 drug so the wind isn't hitting the largest surface of the rain fly. For me hiking in the mountains most often I know the direction of the wind. You may find hat to be a challenge in open areas but just a thought.
Thank you for the info on the modification and the links 👍 Don't the toggles fall out of the loop on the shock cord? Maybe they could have a hole drilled and the shock cord pulled through and then knotted. We will look for toggles/pegs at Home Depot. I am sure they have them. So in using the shock cord all the way around, do you ever have any rain pooling on the sides over night and such? Again, thank you for the video! Looks super easy!
Just a note, you say "on a 4 season setup, you don't think you could get any more lightweight then that" Using full length of shock cord is heavy compared to regular lightweight tie out cord like zingit. You only need a small piece of shock cord on each tieout to adjust for slack, and it's a weight savings.
i mean, you could go cuben fiber and cut the weight in half or better. ...but i think it was pretty much a throw away statement. generally meaning for a large tarp with doors the superfly is pretty light, and his current setup is pretty low effort for setup/takedown
great vid...great minds think nearly alike...lol...I have the Chill Gorilla Fortress tarp, and set it up nearly the same...just made some custom tent pole mods and just received some Hennessey skins
Thanks man. I took it out on the trail in a rainstorm a couple weeks ago and the shock cords made things real easy. Don't forget to waterproof the 4 side panel tie outs though.
Don Hamilton Jr. thank you. I found them in Amazon. I actually switched the double carabiners out to mini hooks that I found on Amazon to drop a little weight from my pack.
Don Hamilton Jr. 10 Pack S Carabiner Camping Hiking Spring Snap Clip Hook Keychain Keyring EDC Emergency Survival,Black www.amazon.com/dp/B01950SU6G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i6Xgyb9RXZPX4
Hey David Thanks so much. Glad you liked the video. I used the standard Hennessy Hammock Snake Skins. They didn't have any size options when I ordered mine. Yes it still fits in the stuff sack. It's a little tight but it still fits in there. I use mine all the time.
Don't the snake skins trap in moisture and promote mildew growth? For a hammock I could see the use... not the WBBB due to the size... But for a tarp I would assume that it would be an issue.
Help! Where did you buy those carabiners? We can't find them in any store or online. Maybe we are typing in the wrong description. Also, did you buy your shock cord online? We were thinking of getting the reflective shock cord. Great video and tips! 👍
Hey there. I am including the links to the shock cord and carabiners. I will say I am switching out the carabiners and I am attaching small wooden toggles to the cord on the stakes. I have a fixed eye loop at the end of the shock cord that can just go around the toggle. This will reduce some of the weight from my pack. Glad you like the video. You can find titanium Y Stakes on Amazon as well. Paracord Planet 1/8" Shock Cord in Various Colors - Choose from 10, 25, 50, and 100 Feet, Made in USA www.amazon.com/dp/B00HAMJ1DI/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_nAQ-vbP9027B4 Bundle Monster 5 pc S-shape Aluminum Carabiner Snap Clip Hook Keychain www.amazon.com/dp/B0096TNE0E/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_REQ-vb9D6H8HK
+T Morgan sorry for the delayed response, I have been busy. Next time I get out I will take some pictures for you. It may be a couple weeks as I am traveling.
I have the Blackbird and I just got this tarp. I'm trying to figure out how to set it up. I love the snake thing from Hennesy. very convenient. I don't like that you have to crawl in. I want to figure out how to enter from the foot and close the door behind. any one have ideas? Please reply to this comment or I might not see it. thanks for the help.
Oh....also....what type of stakes do you use? They kind of look like the ones we found at Walmart 😉 Used them two weeks ago on an AT hike and bent one in half. Very rocky in most areas. Thanks!
Have you tried this set up on your Warbonnet Ridgerunner? Are you able to keep the sides from rubbing the spreader bars? I'm getting ready to order the Ridgerunner and would like to know if the Superfly is a good option for a tarp. I'm also 6'2". Do you prefer the Blackbird XLC or the Ridgerunner?
BanjoFan Atic I prefer the Ridge Runner, I do use this same setup on my RR, if you don't setup the Superfly wide enough it can rub the inside. Definitely practice setting it up a few times.
I have been going over your setup in my head and have to ask... how do you close the doors once you are inside the tarp if the door shock cord clips so far away on the ground stakes and the other end is tied to the door? Which leads to the question, if you are inside somehow with the doors closed and clipped on the ground stakes... how do you get out? Your video of your setup seems great but you don't show how you actually use the tarp in the video. Is there a disconnect attached to the tarp doors that you forgot to mention? Are you not able to close all the doors once inside? Do you crawl on the floor and underneath the tarp to get in and out? I just can't figure out how your doors function with this setup, maybe I'm missing something obvious?
Hey Lyn. If I have to set it up where I have it completely closed off like in I do in the video ( strong wind , heavy rain etc.) I simply slide in from underneath.
Thomas Edworthy I haven't done a time study, but I would say the same amount. Once you get a feel for setting up and taking it down you pretty much have a good idea of stake placement.
I wish they had something like this or anything really from the factory with the tarps. Sucks they make the hammocks go up in minutes, and leave you hanging on tarp. For the cost, make it quicker...
I see several issues right away: * single side pull line- when actually utilized, the two side pull loops get pulled TOWARDS each other causing the tarp between them to sag in... not a big deal until you get weather at which point it flaps a lot in the wind, snow collects there instead of sliding off. ** shock cord allows a lot of play in your tarp... you don't want ANY play at all if you can help it, because the action of the wind stretching and relaxing the shock cord will work your stakes loose, and you'll wake up in the dead of night with wind and rain in your face and your tarp flapping, and those shock cords have suddenly become whips with pointy aluminum stakes flailing about.... and once the first one let's go, that makes it 4 times more likely that another one will let go too. Not a good scene. if the stakes aren't attached then it's basically a loaded projectile weapon, and I've lost several stakes that way... fortunately I wasn't there when it let go, but I never did find two of the stakes, and since then, I switched out all of my cordage for Amsteel which is light weight and low-stretch, but keep in mind it's much stronger than the actual tarp. There's actually a lot of debate about this on Hammock Forums, and i used to be on "stress-relief" side of the fence but the day I just described converted me, because I fought with that wind for 3 days before I lost the stakes, and getting rid of the stretch was how I beat the wind and won in the end *** when I set up my tarp, I always set it up with the doors closed, otherwise, when you NEED to close the doors, you'll find you have to rearrange all your stakes... and if you need to close the doors, it's usually because the weather changed for the worst, and the last thing you want to be doing in a sudden storm is rearranging your stakes so you can close your doors. No, you want to be able to just close them and be done, am I right?
I haven't come across a situation that created the same situation for me yet, but I will definately consider an alternative. I have been working with this setup for a couple years now without issue. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks Jeremy....ever try getting the Superfly back in the stuff-sack? I gave up lol
That’s funny. I will only use snake skins to pack it back up. One day with heavy wind and you’ll never look back. Glad you like the video.
@@howardjeremym Sounds like a plan...the SFly in a snake skin would probably be easier to cram into my pack than spending moments of my life i'll never get back trying to stuff it in the pack...that it in came from Warbonnet. I contacted them, and they suggested I purchase one of the larger sized sacks. Really? I'm no marketing expert, but I do relate to the old "trying to stuff 20 lbs of "stuff" into a 10 lb bag adage. The last thing ya wanna be dealing with threatening weather or during an actual downpour or impending blizzard.So, dear gear people...try and understand this; people would rather the bag be a little bigger...yes, people know that extra .004 grams of weight won't bother anyone. The ever-so-slight increase in volume can be utilized to put your stakes and extra cord in? Jez sayin. Sure, there may be "that guy/girl " who demands a skin-tight fit for their tarp, but I haven't met them yet. Worst case scenario, tuck the extra .004 grams of material back into the sack. Jez sayin' is all.
thanks so much for putting up this video on the warbonnet sleeping system. this had helped&convinced me in getting this same setup-system
Hey George. Thanks so much. I'm still using that setup, haven't found a better one to replace it.
Thanks. Ive used other hammock systems but I'm sure after I purchase my warbonnet,soon.I'll be thinking & feeling the same way as you about this hammock..
I'm definitely getting the snake skins. I like how you were able to cue the wind when it came time to take it down and put it up.
Funny you say that. I remember thinking that is going to look good having that gust of wind come through. Thanks for the view. Glad you found it useful.
Just a tip to add, use a double ended stuff sack and leave it on the end of the snake skin and you don't have to worry about losing your sack or where you put it.
Great tip. I will do the same.
Great vid just got my Superfly and will use your set up thanks again!
Awesome. Let me know what you think once you have it setup the way you want it.
I have found that if I use 100% shock cord at all attachment points, thee is so much elongation potential that high winds will turn my 11 footer with doors into a giant sail. It was a disaster.
I then went with a combination of shock cord and regular cord, thereby limiting the stretch available to about 12 inches max. My buddy did the same but limited his max elongation on each tie-out to about 6 inches which works even better in horrible conditions. The big benefit to shock cord is to take up the slack in the silnylon material as is stretches and to reduce damage if someone trips over your tie outs. The 6 inch amount seems to be best. Thanks for the video. Very nice.
G Henrickson sorry to hear that. That hasn't been my experience. Did your stakes come loose?
G Henrickson I haven't had that problem and I've been in some pretty strong wind. Try turning your setup 90 drug so the wind isn't hitting the largest surface of the rain fly. For me hiking in the mountains most often I know the direction of the wind. You may find hat to be a challenge in open areas but just a thought.
The superfly comes in SilPoly, it does not really stretch much like Silnylon does.
When I buy a Superfly, I'll use your setup.........I like it.
Awesome glad you like it. It works great out on the trail. Feel free to share it with others.
pretty cool tarp, can even be use alone as a tent shelter if brought to the ground
Thank you for the info on the modification and the links 👍 Don't the toggles fall out of the loop on the shock cord? Maybe they could have a hole drilled and the shock cord pulled through and then knotted. We will look for toggles/pegs at Home Depot. I am sure they have them. So in using the shock cord all the way around, do you ever have any rain pooling on the sides over night and such? Again, thank you for the video! Looks super easy!
I haven't tested it yet. But I plan on going out in a couple weeks. I will give you an update when I do.
+Jeremy M Howard Ok AWESOME! Looking forward to your updates!
Nice set up.. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks glad you liked it.
Just a note, you say "on a 4 season setup, you don't think you could get any more lightweight then that" Using full length of shock cord is heavy compared to regular lightweight tie out cord like zingit. You only need a small piece of shock cord on each tieout to adjust for slack, and it's a weight savings.
i mean, you could go cuben fiber and cut the weight in half or better. ...but i think it was pretty much a throw away statement. generally meaning for a large tarp with doors the superfly is pretty light, and his current setup is pretty low effort for setup/takedown
great vid...great minds think nearly alike...lol...I have the Chill Gorilla Fortress tarp, and set it up nearly the same...just made some custom tent pole mods and just received some Hennessey skins
Nice. Waiting for mine to arrive in the mail. Really like the shockcord idea.
Thanks man. I took it out on the trail in a rainstorm a couple weeks ago and the shock cords made things real easy. Don't forget to waterproof the 4 side panel tie outs though.
Thanks. Going to as soon as I get it. looking forward to having a bombproof tarp.
Well done, where do you purchase the double carabiner, and the snake sleeve?
Don Hamilton Jr. thank you. I found them in Amazon. I actually switched the double carabiners out to mini hooks that I found on Amazon to drop a little weight from my pack.
Thks much!! Mini Hooks?????
Don Hamilton Jr.
10 Pack S Carabiner Camping Hiking Spring Snap Clip Hook Keychain Keyring EDC Emergency Survival,Black
www.amazon.com/dp/B01950SU6G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i6Xgyb9RXZPX4
Very slick setup! I'm looking at getting this tarp. What size is the snake skin you used on it, and does it still for into the warbonnet stuff sack?
Hey David
Thanks so much. Glad you liked the video. I used the standard Hennessy Hammock Snake Skins. They didn't have any size options when I ordered mine. Yes it still fits in the stuff sack. It's a little tight but it still fits in there. I use mine all the time.
That's cool, appreciate you sharing your tips on the setup.
Don't the snake skins trap in moisture and promote mildew growth? For a hammock I could see the use... not the WBBB due to the size... But for a tarp I would assume that it would be an issue.
+cuylarHD I could see that if you kept your rainfly packed up all the time. I always air out my gear when I get back and haven't had a problem yet.
Help! Where did you buy those carabiners? We can't find them in any store or online. Maybe we are typing in the wrong description. Also, did you buy your shock cord online? We were thinking of getting the reflective shock cord. Great video and tips! 👍
Hey there. I am including the links to the shock cord and carabiners. I will say I am switching out the carabiners and I am attaching small wooden toggles to the cord on the stakes. I have a fixed eye loop at the end of the shock cord that can just go around the toggle. This will reduce some of the weight from my pack. Glad you like the video. You can find titanium Y Stakes on Amazon as well.
Paracord Planet 1/8" Shock Cord in Various Colors - Choose from 10, 25, 50, and 100 Feet, Made in USA www.amazon.com/dp/B00HAMJ1DI/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_nAQ-vbP9027B4
Bundle Monster 5 pc S-shape Aluminum Carabiner Snap Clip Hook Keychain www.amazon.com/dp/B0096TNE0E/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_REQ-vb9D6H8HK
Hello! Just wondering if you have tried the toggles you mentioned earlier and if so, how did it work out? Thank you!
Hey there
I did and they worked great.
+Jeremy M Howard Ok cool! Do you have any pictures of the set up so we can see how to do it? Thank you!
+T Morgan sorry for the delayed response, I have been busy. Next time I get out I will take some pictures for you. It may be a couple weeks as I am traveling.
+Jeremy M Howard Ok thank you so much. We are very interested to see 👍
Hey There T Morgan. I just went out this weekend. I ended up taking the toggles and the clips off. I took a couple pictures if you would like to see.
Great vid and just wondering what size snake skins did you use????
Hey Ronald. Thanks. I used the XL
+Jeremy M Howard thanks for the quick reply!
I have the Blackbird and I just got this tarp. I'm trying to figure out how to set it up. I love the snake thing from Hennesy. very convenient. I don't like that you have to crawl in. I want to figure out how to enter from the foot and close the door behind. any one have ideas? Please reply to this comment or I might not see it. thanks for the help.
You don't have to have the doors completely like I show. You can have one door setup more like a vestibule.
PS...I had wondered if thoes Hennessey snake skins would work on all sorts of hammock system. but I think it does. thanks
Oh....also....what type of stakes do you use? They kind of look like the ones we found at Walmart 😉 Used them two weeks ago on an AT hike and bent one in half. Very rocky in most areas. Thanks!
Have you tried this set up on your Warbonnet Ridgerunner? Are you able to keep the sides from rubbing the spreader bars? I'm getting ready to order the Ridgerunner and would like to know if the Superfly is a good option for a tarp. I'm also 6'2". Do you prefer the Blackbird XLC or the Ridgerunner?
BanjoFan Atic I prefer the Ridge Runner, I do use this same setup on my RR, if you don't setup the Superfly wide enough it can rub the inside. Definitely practice setting it up a few times.
Trek Parents Fantastic! Thanks for the fast reply.
Did you make a video of the spreader bar setup?
I have been going over your setup in my head and have to ask... how do you close the doors once you are inside the tarp if the door shock cord clips so far away on the ground stakes and the other end is tied to the door? Which leads to the question, if you are inside somehow with the doors closed and clipped on the ground stakes... how do you get out?
Your video of your setup seems great but you don't show how you actually use the tarp in the video. Is there a disconnect attached to the tarp doors that you forgot to mention? Are you not able to close all the doors once inside? Do you crawl on the floor and underneath the tarp to get in and out?
I just can't figure out how your doors function with this setup, maybe I'm missing something obvious?
Hey Lyn. If I have to set it up where I have it completely closed off like in I do in the video ( strong wind , heavy rain etc.) I simply slide in from underneath.
use a separate stake inside
Is it possible to go into porch mode with this setup? Also, how do you get in and out through the doors?
It is, however I carry 2 additional pieces of shock cord as extenders to the stake. About 4' long
I forgot to mention you leave one of the door flaps open and attach it to a stake on the inside when going down for the night.
How does setup work in conjunction with a hammock? Great video btw
So how long does it take to set up if the stakes are not set at the right distance and everything is in the bag?
Thomas Edworthy I haven't done a time study, but I would say the same amount. Once you get a feel for setting up and taking it down you pretty much have a good idea of stake placement.
Check out this video on UA-cam: The Warbonnet Superfly Perfected.
I wish they had something like this or anything really from the factory with the tarps. Sucks they make the hammocks go up in minutes, and leave you hanging on tarp. For the cost, make it quicker...
I see several issues right away:
* single side pull line- when actually utilized, the two side pull loops get pulled TOWARDS each other causing the tarp between them to sag in... not a big deal until you get weather at which point it flaps a lot in the wind, snow collects there instead of sliding off.
** shock cord allows a lot of play in your tarp... you don't want ANY play at all if you can help it, because the action of the wind stretching and relaxing the shock cord will work your stakes loose, and you'll wake up in the dead of night with wind and rain in your face and your tarp flapping, and those shock cords have suddenly become whips with pointy aluminum stakes flailing about.... and once the first one let's go, that makes it 4 times more likely that another one will let go too. Not a good scene. if the stakes aren't attached then it's basically a loaded projectile weapon, and I've lost several stakes that way... fortunately I wasn't there when it let go, but I never did find two of the stakes, and since then, I switched out all of my cordage for Amsteel which is light weight and low-stretch, but keep in mind it's much stronger than the actual tarp. There's actually a lot of debate about this on Hammock Forums, and i used to be on "stress-relief" side of the fence but the day I just described converted me, because I fought with that wind for 3 days before I lost the stakes, and getting rid of the stretch was how I beat the wind and won in the end
*** when I set up my tarp, I always set it up with the doors closed, otherwise, when you NEED to close the doors, you'll find you have to rearrange all your stakes... and if you need to close the doors, it's usually because the weather changed for the worst, and the last thing you want to be doing in a sudden storm is rearranging your stakes so you can close your doors. No, you want to be able to just close them and be done, am I right?
I haven't come across a situation that created the same situation for me yet, but I will definately consider an alternative. I have been working with this setup for a couple years now without issue. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.