Good takes. And yes UVA is very mid tier. You can also add UNC to that list of mid tier, and dont @me about basketball. If basketball mattered in realignment, UCONN would be in a P2 conference.
UCONN is not an equivalent of UNC or UVA. UNC is: a) 1 of only 2 remaining true southern flagships outside of the SEC. b) 1 of only 6 P4 original public ivys. c) 1 of only ~5 men's basketball blues d) 1 of only 6 that have finished 20x+ Top 10 D-Cup e) 1 of only 3 that have won the D-Cup f) Half of the only college basketball rivalry of national interest UVA is a mini version of UNC.
@tarheel7406 basketball doesn't drive conference expansion. It's FOOTBALL. UNC and UVA are not good and have no fan engagement. You are taking seats out of your stadium that you don't fill up.
ACC is fine. Trending in right direction with football. The old Big East schools like Miami, Louisville and Va Tech seem to be getting better. More eyeballs on east coast than midwest.
@@knumbskullnews3460 MIAMI and L'VILLE (at least) have clearly improved. So how completely wrong? The east coast doesn't have a higher and denser population than the Midwest (or Plains)?
I believe that viewership has fallen for basketball, but when I checked over 2 years ago and found some numbers for 2 consecutive seasons: a) Every top 10 most viewed game over those 2 seasons included either UNC or DUKE b) The UNC/DUKE games averaged ~4.5M viewers for each regular season home/away
I think the best interest for the SEC Big ten and the networks is for a strong Big 12 and the reason why the Big 12 is because they already have a contract deal for a long time. If too many good football teams get left out of the SEC Big ten and Big 12 Congress will probably get involved and we don't want them involved it's hard to tell what they will do. So it probably would be best to talk FSU and Clemson to go to the big 12 which probably won't happen. Then they need to make sure every team with a national championship is in one of the big three and that's including Georgia tech because they have four national championships and then take the other schools that have been relevant in the past or in current time and make sure everyone gets a home and then we're down to the big three only. Big 12 just needs a couple top dogs like they had with Texas and Oklahoma to compete with the SEC and Big ten. SEC and Big ten really only have five to six good teams and then it falls off badly. I know probably the top eight teams in the Big 12 could beat the bottom half of the SEC and Big ten schools easily. Does anyone really think Vanderbilt or Rutgers University is beating TCU or WVU?😂🤣
Part of me Utah hopes that ACC does not fall because you know if more schools go to the big 10 the less likely they could join Side note Utah fan here excited to join the Big 12
Memphis is better than all of those teams. WS, OSU, Tulane, USF, UConn and SDSU are all good schools but none packs a 1 -2 punch in football and basketball.
If you get time let's do a early early prediction of who wins what conference maybe pick the five top teams of each conference SEC Big ten Big 12 and ACC??? Really interested to see your take on the SEC with Oklahoma and Texas now there. Are they both in the top five?? I don't think Alabama will be in the top five in the SEC anymore after losing Nick Saban that means Georgia will probably go undefeated for the next two or three years because there is no Alabama built to beat them in the country. Longhorns will fall just short of beating them??
When the dust settles on THIS PHASE of conference consolidation we'll be left with 4 tables: The 2 Powers: SEC & B1G Big 12 (aka the new Cinderella league) and The Leftovers WITH Deep Pockets and/or Strong Branding The ACC or Pac will exist in name only depending on what the leftovers decide to do for branding. The ACC school with the least leverage right now is Wake Forest. Nobody is going to call them willingly. A perfect candidate to help build The Leftovers Conference. 2036 doesn't matter. That contract not making it past 2026 when string pullers are done with this piece of business.
Dis agree about your take on the 8 teams , not sure if it's a real thing or not . Will say thoiugh the problem getting 8 teams to agree to leave isnthe fact that there's more than likely not 8 teams good enough to get into the big 2 whicj is the hold uo . FSU , Clemson and UNC are the only 3 guaranteed to be in the big 2 maybe UVA could slip into it .secondly if they rework the espn that requires a new gor and all these teams get out for just the exit fee
@@knumbskullnews3460 I get that was just saying that it wouldn't be easy to get 8 teams to do with probably half of them not knowing if they could get into the sec or big10
@tarheel7406 hate to tell you this but every acc school has been working on contingency plans for the last year . ND Is a different situation personally I don't see them giving up independence unless the sec and big 10 separate themselves from the ncaa in football
@@knumbskullnews3460 no hope for Memphis to the big 12? Basketball is good and the fb program on the rise. They beat the isu cyclones in their bowl game last December.
The ACC is clearly managing its decline to the BIG12's Tier 2 level with an aim to preserve an academic branding. MEPMPHIS doesn't fit that strategy. MEMPHIS should be an BIG12 option if the Tier 2 amicably realigns (which won't happen).
You just made an argument for ESPN wanting all but Clemson and FSU staying in the ACC as the best profit for ESPN. Way more viewership numbers for the ACC area.
@@artpowers812 this is one case ESPN's opinion doesn't matter because if they don't pay FSU and Clemson more money to stay in the ACC they are packing up and going down the road. Those two teams FSU and Clemson are way too big to be in the ACC and make that little of money. ACC is not a football conference.
@@knumbskullnews3460 Sure you did, basically you said the Big 12 has to take 6 teams from the ACC, including UNC to pass where the ACC would be losing only FSU and Clemson.
@@davidframe1613 You are dreaming, ESPN does have the power to do to Clemson and FSU just what they did to the PAC, take the one path we offer to the SEC and you can move quickly. Or keep fighting the draining lawsuits for years.
UConn definitely should be added to the Big 12 even if the ACC breaks up. I remember when my Mountaineers were in the Big East with UConn y'all wasn't that bad at football. Y'all even beat South Carolina in a bowl game. What happened to the football program?? UConn has 17 national championships with women's and men's basketball that's ridiculous. 🤣😂
I've got one word for the ACC speculation. Okay, maybe two. HORNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD FROOOOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Okay, that probably has NOTHING to do with this new ACC. Or does it? Does the ACC become an all Private conference? Does the ACC expand with TCU and Tulane? To go with Stanford, Cal (Private Pal), SMU, Miami, WF, Duke, and so on? Including ND non football sports? I don't know!?
@@MercerKnowsBall dream on no way the ACC is going to lose FSU and Clemson and then get a great football team like TCU which just played in a national championship game against Georgia last year. If the Big 12 was to let the ACC take TCU from them that would be complete embarrassment to the whole conference. Not happening. TCU is one of the staple of the Big 12 now. If the ACC is going to rebuild, their getting rice Marshall UConn Oregon state Washington State teams like that don't set your standards so high for a TCU.🤣😂 Yeah that's definitely not happening never never never never. Nope nope give it up.
The eventual Tier 2 needs to maximize regional games and synergies. I don't see TCU (or most any BIG8/SWC schools) preferring the future ACC notwithstanding the academic and overall athletic benefits. WVU and the 4Cs may be different.
ESPN is basically paying SEC prices for the ACC right now, Dude. Look at the ACC INCOME and not just the REVENUE. Learn the DIFFERENCE between INCOME and REVENUE. Learn that ACC INCOME is right there with SEC INCOME. Still less. But not alot more. ESPN will not mind paying SEC prices for the TOP of the ACC. What you are IGNORING is what ESPN wants. SEC and ESPN can put the UNC Football games on the SEC Network and the SECN+ every week. UNC will not HURT the SEC in Football. Somebody has to LOSE GAMES in Football. UNC is PERFECT for that. Same thing with the SEC taking Kansas and maybe even Duke on the SEC's way to 20 teams. Like YOU SAY.... but refuse to APPLY to anyone but the Big 12... BASKETBALL is about to be WORTH MORE. Why doesn't ESPN want to be IN on all of that NEW Basketball Money? Why does ESPN want to SHARE with FOX? With teams in the SEC and ACC ESPN gets all the MONEY. With teams in the Big 12 ESPN has to SHARE with FOX. You aren't REALLY using LOGIC. You just say WHAT the Big 12 wants. You say what the Big 12 wants even though the Big 12 has NO MEANS to GET what it wants.
Wild fan fiction in that comment😂😂😂 remember kansas is under contract with espn AND Fox. Fox isnt going to just let kansas walk of to the sec for nothing. That would be breach of contract. Theres more but who really cares
You are definitely a fanboy of one of the ACC teams you're not looking at the bigger picture. ACC is about to experience what the pac-12 did. It's dog eat dog get where you can and get there fast. Or become Oregon State and Washington State unfortunately for them.
@@davidframe1613 NO you are looking at LIES and BS and BELIEVE those LIES and BS are FACTS You have no idea what the Bigger Picture is because you are missing MORE than HALF of the important details and have NO IDEA you are missing anything It IS a DOG eat DOG. You will watch in disbelief while your Dogs are EATEN You are clearly not very SMART
Really like "Knumbskull News." It's where intellectuals and sports fans come to congregate. It's like Star Bucks, but for everybody. Of course, you just have to listen to Knumbs in the background with his bias Big 12 takes. Bring on the few Stanford and Cal fans. Hell everybody!
Clarification? Is this where you begin BACKTRACKING all of your chuckling BS? All it took WAS 8 teams and they FOUND the 8th Team. But they needed 8 ACCEPTABLE landing spaces for 8 teams. That is how you SHOULD KNOW the Big 12 is NOT an acceptable landing space because between ALL 3 of the SEC, B1G and Big 12 there MORE than 8 spots, maybe 10. But joining the Big 12 is NOT ACCEPTABLE to any of the TOP 8 ACC schools. There is NO 3rd Option for ACC teams to LEAVE the ACC for. It is a $20 Million PAY CUT to LEAVE the ACC and join the Big 12 and it is about to be a $30 Million PAY CUT. And by the time 2036 gets here the Big 12 is going to have lost Kansas, Utah, Oklahoma St, West Virginia AT A MINIMUM. And most likely Arizona, Texas Christian and either Cincinnati and/or Colorado will be GONE if not MORE. When do you WAKE UP and SMELL the FACTS? When does the DREAMER AWAKEN?
No clue where you are getting your numbers but it isn't even close to accurate. A simple Google search shows that the ACCs media deal is 30m per school and the Big 12 is 31.7m per school. When the new media deal kicks in for the 2025-2026 season each school will be making just shy of 50 million. Please tell me how the ACC schools are making 70-80m per school? If that was the case why would FSU and Clemson be leaving? If the ACC implodes the VT, Pitt, NC States, and Louisvilles of the world would be more than happy to go to the Big 12, stop kidding yourself.
Every team in the ACC is a yes to joining the Big 12 if the ACC breaks up and the SEC and Big ten doesn't take them including FSU and Clemson no one wants to get hung out by themselves.
@@davidframe1613 Sure BUT the ACC is NOT breaking UP So every team in the ACC is a NO to joining the Big 12 FACTS IS every team in the Big 12 is going to be a YES to joining the ACC but only 5 or 6 of them will get an INVITE
You seem to have a different opinion than most we will see. I would say it's going to break up. Or at least lose its top members which will devalue the conference.
Don't think for one minute my Mountaineers are coming to the ACC that's not going to happen. Y"all had that chance years ago and blew it. ACC was all like you Mountaineers are a bunch of hillbillies and of course you're right 😁 but your teams still cannot beat us at football. We just smacked UNC in a bowl game beat Pitt last year also and the last time we played Clemson it was 70 to 33 complete embarrassment in a bowl game. But why would any big 12 team want to join the ACC with Cal and Stanford and SMU buying their way in. Big 12 turned all those teams down. After FSU and Clemson leaves what does the ACC even have football wise? Notre Dame which can't beat Marshall at home in Notre Dame? 😂🤣
I don't think $250 mil will get any agreement to leave. Maybe $350 mil but that is about as low as the ACC will settle for. So re evaluate based on that. I do agree the Big 12 is a viable option for Louisville but will they pay the established $350 mil? You are still too sold out to the ACC crumbling. The Big 12 did not and after FSU and Clemson there is way more eyeballs to the ACC than the B12 has now. Remember one thing, the "rebuilt" big 12 has not yet played one game, You have no idea what TV viewership will sink to without Tex and Ou on the schedule.
@@knumbskullnews3460 that's because the Big 12 is a true football conference. TCU and Kansas are teams people want to watch, no one wants to watch Wake Forest play Syracuse. ACC is not a true football conference. One of my favorite games used to be TCU versus Baylor when they would air the ball out of the whole game that's so much fun to watch.
@@knumbskullnews3460 Can't just count the biggest thing when both teams are in contention for the playoffs when there were only 4 teams. What if the Big 12 doesn't get a sniff of anything but the one guaranteed playoff? I don't know if they played in 2023 but if they did, what was the viewership? Begin everything with a visit to the 5 year attendance rankings.
The Acc without Florida State and Clemson will make least then the big 12. The reason is the big 12 will have more view ship numbers . U got to remember a good portion of the teams are from Texas and people in Texas love football . Also Acc will really not have any great football programs left after .They will probably lose at less 6 teams to Sec and big 10 that is why the Acc is really fighting hard to keep Florida State and Clemson .Sec will probably take four teams ( Florida State , Clemson , Georgia Tech and north Carolina State) . The big ten will take North Carolina and Virginia. And if ND goes to the big 10 then Stanford will probably get to go with them . I don't see ND doing that though. The big 12 will then be in a perfect spot to get Louisville, Pitt and maybe Virginia tech . Then they will add UConn to get to twenty schools
If u are Acc fan u better hope that Florida State and Clemson have to paid a lot to leave . If it ends up being 100millon or less the Acc will not make it much longer . Of course they did this to their selves when they add Cal,Stanford and Smu . These teams really don't add any value in football maybe Smu can become good again but the other two nobody wanted . I think they would have been better off adding Memphis,Tulane and South Florida .
The colleges and Universities are supposed to be non-profits, and some still are no matter how many millions they collect at the gates. All these sport teams were started by students originally, fraternities, clubs and guilds, nothing more, The universities kicked in funding at the request of these student clubs and supporting donors...but no good deed goes unpunished. These teams should have been separated from the universities as for-profit spinoffs long long ago, after they started taking on a life of their own. Instead, they were turned into profit centers by mission creep and greed. The very Ivy league that incubated it, tried to kill footfall off very early on in the 20th century. They even petitioned the highest levels of federal government to step in a kill off the baby. That failure has now morphed into the nightmare of today, where all sorts of unscrupulous speculators, even pedophiles, parasites have latched onto the host. This nightmare, where some schools are uninterested in sports profit, fund nearly the entire operations out of pocket and make zero return except for facilities improvements( 10s of millions just to appease the student's accustomed expectations) .While most public universities, sucking on the teat of sport profit like their very existence depends on it, meet in some smoky 5 star Vegas casino, sitting around in Brooks Brother suits, brainstorming how best to carve up what's left of these taxpayer funded monstrosities, while kvetching about how broke they are with the new added expenses. In the backdrop of all this, we have an insanely corrupt federal government who are all on board to get these non scholar athletes payed as quickly as possible so they can tax them as quickly as possible...and around, and around, she goes, right down the toilet bowl, along with the nation gifted to us by those that came before. The student athlete pretends as if they're some type of slave, Nothing could be further from the truth, reality will smash down the whole stinking mess one day.
Great video. I really enjoyed your perspective it is an interesting point to look at and discuss. Look forward to what you come with next. EMAW
Good takes. And yes UVA is very mid tier. You can also add UNC to that list of mid tier, and dont @me about basketball. If basketball mattered in realignment, UCONN would be in a P2 conference.
UNC football is way below mid-tier. UNC is a basketball academic research School.
UCONN is not an equivalent of UNC or UVA. UNC is:
a) 1 of only 2 remaining true southern flagships outside of the SEC.
b) 1 of only 6 P4 original public ivys.
c) 1 of only ~5 men's basketball blues
d) 1 of only 6 that have finished 20x+ Top 10 D-Cup
e) 1 of only 3 that have won the D-Cup
f) Half of the only college basketball rivalry of national interest
UVA is a mini version of UNC.
@tarheel7406 basketball doesn't drive conference expansion. It's FOOTBALL. UNC and UVA are not good and have no fan engagement. You are taking seats out of your stadium that you don't fill up.
100% watcher here. Memphis more than likely brings some corporate money with them with FedEx.
As a UH guy screw Memphis
I think Memphis and UConn both probably would have been in the Big 12 if it wasn't for the ACC going to break up.
@@davidframe1613 In context, the BIG12 has already broken up.
Always watch all the way though. Listen to you while I’m at work.
Thank you
Some of the ACC games are on the CW already. FYI.
Most logical commentary on this mess of a situation - everybody has a bit of leverage - lawyers are the TRUE winners as they negotiate this out
Very true
ACC is fine. Trending in right direction with football. The old Big East schools like Miami, Louisville and Va Tech seem to be getting better. More eyeballs on east coast than midwest.
That’s completely wrong but who cares about facts
How completely wrong was i? May god have mercy on my soul wrong or Joe Biden is a 8 handicap.
@@knumbskullnews3460 MIAMI and L'VILLE (at least) have clearly improved. So how completely wrong?
The east coast doesn't have a higher and denser population than the Midwest (or Plains)?
Not a UVA fan in the least, but deud UVa ain’t a mid tier in bball. Google is your friend sir.
True. They are definitely BELOW that level.
Fact they won a natl champ in ‘19 and constituently win the ACC reg season.
So are you saying he is a knumbskull?
@@chrisg4931they should have not won that game
UVA is known for academics, ok at football and basketball but not great at either.
Duke vs. UNC #'s are big for BB but early round bowl games in December still do better.
I believe that viewership has fallen for basketball, but when I checked over 2 years ago and found some numbers for 2 consecutive seasons:
a) Every top 10 most viewed game over those 2 seasons included either UNC or DUKE
b) The UNC/DUKE games averaged ~4.5M viewers for each regular season home/away
I think the best interest for the SEC Big ten and the networks is for a strong Big 12 and the reason why the Big 12 is because they already have a contract deal for a long time. If too many good football teams get left out of the SEC Big ten and Big 12 Congress will probably get involved and we don't want them involved it's hard to tell what they will do. So it probably would be best to talk FSU and Clemson to go to the big 12 which probably won't happen. Then they need to make sure every team with a national championship is in one of the big three and that's including Georgia tech because they have four national championships and then take the other schools that have been relevant in the past or in current time and make sure everyone gets a home and then we're down to the big three only. Big 12 just needs a couple top dogs like they had with Texas and Oklahoma to compete with the SEC and Big ten. SEC and Big ten really only have five to six good teams and then it falls off badly. I know probably the top eight teams in the Big 12 could beat the bottom half of the SEC and Big ten schools easily. Does anyone really think Vanderbilt or Rutgers University is beating TCU or WVU?😂🤣
If the networks wanted a P3 after the TX/OK news, it would have been either the PAC or ACC, not the already fully depleted BIG12.
Part of me Utah hopes that ACC does not fall because you know if more schools go to the big 10 the less likely they could join
Side note Utah fan here excited to join the Big 12
Bring in UConn, USF, Tulane, SDSU, Oregon State, Washington State.
Why?
Memphis is better than all of those teams. WS, OSU, Tulane, USF, UConn and SDSU are all good schools but none packs a 1 -2 punch in football and basketball.
If you get time let's do a early early prediction of who wins what conference maybe pick the five top teams of each conference SEC Big ten Big 12 and ACC??? Really interested to see your take on the SEC with Oklahoma and Texas now there. Are they both in the top five?? I don't think Alabama will be in the top five in the SEC anymore after losing Nick Saban that means Georgia will probably go undefeated for the next two or three years because there is no Alabama built to beat them in the country. Longhorns will fall just short of beating them??
Next video is way to early CFP prediction. Hopefully that does it for ya
When the dust settles on THIS PHASE of conference consolidation we'll be left with 4 tables:
The 2 Powers: SEC & B1G
Big 12 (aka the new Cinderella league)
and
The Leftovers WITH Deep Pockets and/or Strong Branding
The ACC or Pac will exist in name only depending on what the leftovers decide to do for branding.
The ACC school with the least leverage right now is Wake Forest. Nobody is going to call them willingly. A perfect candidate to help build The Leftovers Conference.
2036 doesn't matter. That contract not making it past 2026 when string pullers are done with this piece of business.
The ACC's floor is the then BIG's status.
Dis agree about your take on the 8 teams , not sure if it's a real thing or not . Will say thoiugh the problem getting 8 teams to agree to leave isnthe fact that there's more than likely not 8 teams good enough to get into the big 2 whicj is the hold uo . FSU , Clemson and UNC are the only 3 guaranteed to be in the big 2 maybe UVA could slip into it .secondly if they rework the espn that requires a new gor and all these teams get out for just the exit fee
You have to think in a step by step process of how this could work.
@@knumbskullnews3460 I get that was just saying that it wouldn't be easy to get 8 teams to do with probably half of them not knowing if they could get into the sec or big10
Only ND. UNC and UVA have non-contingent P2 landing spots. FSU may no longer have even a contingent spot.
@tarheel7406 hate to tell you this but every acc school has been working on contingency plans for the last year . ND Is a different situation personally I don't see them giving up independence unless the sec and big 10 separate themselves from the ncaa in football
Memphis would be at center of the ACC rebuild. Big 12 could totally dink the ACC and take in Memphis.
If you’re Memphis, is it Big 12 or ACC?
Big 12 isn’t adding Memphis lol stoppp😂
No to Memphis.
ACC
@@knumbskullnews3460 no hope for Memphis to the big 12? Basketball is good and the fb program on the rise. They beat the isu cyclones in their bowl game last December.
The ACC is clearly managing its decline to the BIG12's Tier 2 level with an aim to preserve an academic branding. MEPMPHIS doesn't fit that strategy. MEMPHIS should be an BIG12 option if the Tier 2 amicably realigns (which won't happen).
You just made an argument for ESPN wanting all but Clemson and FSU staying in the ACC as the best profit for ESPN. Way more viewership numbers for the ACC area.
No I didn’t but hear what you want to hear.
@@artpowers812 this is one case ESPN's opinion doesn't matter because if they don't pay FSU and Clemson more money to stay in the ACC they are packing up and going down the road. Those two teams FSU and Clemson are way too big to be in the ACC and make that little of money. ACC is not a football conference.
@@knumbskullnews3460 Sure you did, basically you said the Big 12 has to take 6 teams from the ACC, including UNC to pass where the ACC would be losing only FSU and Clemson.
@@davidframe1613 You are dreaming, ESPN does have the power to do to Clemson and FSU just what they did to the PAC, take the one path we offer to the SEC and you can move quickly. Or keep fighting the draining lawsuits for years.
@@davidframe1613 To where are CLEMSON and FSU going?
UConn to the B12
UConn definitely should be added to the Big 12 even if the ACC breaks up. I remember when my Mountaineers were in the Big East with UConn y'all wasn't that bad at football. Y'all even beat South Carolina in a bowl game. What happened to the football program?? UConn has 17 national championships with women's and men's basketball that's ridiculous. 🤣😂
I've got one word for the ACC speculation. Okay, maybe two. HORNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDD FROOOOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Okay, that probably has NOTHING to do with this new ACC. Or does it? Does the ACC become an all Private conference? Does the ACC expand with TCU and Tulane? To go with Stanford, Cal (Private Pal), SMU, Miami, WF, Duke, and so on? Including ND non football sports? I don't know!?
TCU maybe a little to high faluten for that new ACC
@@knumbskullnews3460 Going to laugh at you FOREVER when this happens. Do you TRAVEL to games?
@@knumbskullnews3460 oh, I was just having fun with you on that one :)
@@MercerKnowsBall dream on no way the ACC is going to lose FSU and Clemson and then get a great football team like TCU which just played in a national championship game against Georgia last year. If the Big 12 was to let the ACC take TCU from them that would be complete embarrassment to the whole conference. Not happening. TCU is one of the staple of the Big 12 now. If the ACC is going to rebuild, their getting rice Marshall UConn Oregon state Washington State teams like that don't set your standards so high for a TCU.🤣😂 Yeah that's definitely not happening never never never never. Nope nope give it up.
The eventual Tier 2 needs to maximize regional games and synergies. I don't see TCU (or most any BIG8/SWC schools) preferring the future ACC notwithstanding the academic and overall athletic benefits. WVU and the 4Cs may be different.
ESPN is basically paying SEC prices for the ACC right now, Dude. Look at the ACC INCOME and not just the REVENUE.
Learn the DIFFERENCE between INCOME and REVENUE. Learn that ACC INCOME is right there with SEC INCOME.
Still less. But not alot more. ESPN will not mind paying SEC prices for the TOP of the ACC.
What you are IGNORING is what ESPN wants.
SEC and ESPN can put the UNC Football games on the SEC Network and the SECN+ every week.
UNC will not HURT the SEC in Football. Somebody has to LOSE GAMES in Football. UNC is PERFECT for that.
Same thing with the SEC taking Kansas and maybe even Duke on the SEC's way to 20 teams.
Like YOU SAY.... but refuse to APPLY to anyone but the Big 12... BASKETBALL is about to be WORTH MORE.
Why doesn't ESPN want to be IN on all of that NEW Basketball Money? Why does ESPN want to SHARE with FOX?
With teams in the SEC and ACC ESPN gets all the MONEY. With teams in the Big 12 ESPN has to SHARE with FOX.
You aren't REALLY using LOGIC. You just say WHAT the Big 12 wants.
You say what the Big 12 wants even though the Big 12 has NO MEANS to GET what it wants.
Wild fan fiction in that comment😂😂😂 remember kansas is under contract with espn AND Fox. Fox isnt going to just let kansas walk of to the sec for nothing. That would be breach of contract. Theres more but who really cares
@@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3rbreach of contract seems to be the norm these days, or the attempt to, just ask the ACC.
You are definitely a fanboy of one of the ACC teams you're not looking at the bigger picture. ACC is about to experience what the pac-12 did. It's dog eat dog get where you can and get there fast. Or become Oregon State and Washington State unfortunately for them.
@@MikeSharpe973 agreed...breach of contract with espn. Who knows how Fox will react
@@davidframe1613 NO you are looking at LIES and BS and BELIEVE those LIES and BS are FACTS
You have no idea what the Bigger Picture is because you are missing MORE than HALF of the important details and have NO IDEA you are missing anything
It IS a DOG eat DOG. You will watch in disbelief while your Dogs are EATEN
You are clearly not very SMART
Youre way out the weeds...come back bro
It’s good stuff
Really like "Knumbskull News." It's where intellectuals and sports fans come to congregate. It's like Star Bucks, but for everybody. Of course, you just have to listen to Knumbs in the background with his bias Big 12 takes. Bring on the few Stanford and Cal fans. Hell everybody!
Clarification? Is this where you begin BACKTRACKING all of your chuckling BS?
All it took WAS 8 teams and they FOUND the 8th Team. But they needed 8 ACCEPTABLE landing spaces for 8 teams.
That is how you SHOULD KNOW the Big 12 is NOT an acceptable landing space because between ALL 3 of the SEC, B1G and Big 12 there MORE than 8 spots, maybe 10.
But joining the Big 12 is NOT ACCEPTABLE to any of the TOP 8 ACC schools. There is NO 3rd Option for ACC teams to LEAVE the ACC for.
It is a $20 Million PAY CUT to LEAVE the ACC and join the Big 12 and it is about to be a $30 Million PAY CUT.
And by the time 2036 gets here the Big 12 is going to have lost Kansas, Utah, Oklahoma St, West Virginia AT A MINIMUM.
And most likely Arizona, Texas Christian and either Cincinnati and/or Colorado will be GONE if not MORE.
When do you WAKE UP and SMELL the FACTS? When does the DREAMER AWAKEN?
No clue where you are getting your numbers but it isn't even close to accurate. A simple Google search shows that the ACCs media deal is 30m per school and the Big 12 is 31.7m per school. When the new media deal kicks in for the 2025-2026 season each school will be making just shy of 50 million. Please tell me how the ACC schools are making 70-80m per school? If that was the case why would FSU and Clemson be leaving? If the ACC implodes the VT, Pitt, NC States, and Louisvilles of the world would be more than happy to go to the Big 12, stop kidding yourself.
Every team in the ACC is a yes to joining the Big 12 if the ACC breaks up and the SEC and Big ten doesn't take them including FSU and Clemson no one wants to get hung out by themselves.
@@davidframe1613 Sure BUT the ACC is NOT breaking UP
So every team in the ACC is a NO to joining the Big 12
FACTS IS every team in the Big 12 is going to be a YES to joining the ACC but only 5 or 6 of them will get an INVITE
You seem to have a different opinion than most we will see. I would say it's going to break up. Or at least lose its top members which will devalue the conference.
Don't think for one minute my Mountaineers are coming to the ACC that's not going to happen. Y"all had that chance years ago and blew it. ACC was all like you Mountaineers are a bunch of hillbillies and of course you're right 😁 but your teams still cannot beat us at football. We just smacked UNC in a bowl game beat Pitt last year also and the last time we played Clemson it was 70 to 33 complete embarrassment in a bowl game. But why would any big 12 team want to join the ACC with Cal and Stanford and SMU buying their way in. Big 12 turned all those teams down. After FSU and Clemson leaves what does the ACC even have football wise? Notre Dame which can't beat Marshall at home in Notre Dame? 😂🤣
I don't think $250 mil will get any agreement to leave. Maybe $350 mil but that is about as low as the ACC will settle for. So re evaluate based on that. I do agree the Big 12 is a viable option for Louisville but will they pay the established $350 mil? You are still too sold out to the ACC crumbling. The Big 12 did not and after FSU and Clemson there is way more eyeballs to the ACC than the B12 has now.
Remember one thing, the "rebuilt" big 12 has not yet played one game, You have no idea what TV viewership will sink to without Tex and Ou on the schedule.
Conference title game 2022. TCU vs Kansas st. 9 million viewers. I think the big 12 will be fine.
@@knumbskullnews3460 that's because the Big 12 is a true football conference. TCU and Kansas are teams people want to watch, no one wants to watch Wake Forest play Syracuse. ACC is not a true football conference. One of my favorite games used to be TCU versus Baylor when they would air the ball out of the whole game that's so much fun to watch.
@@knumbskullnews3460 Can't just count the biggest thing when both teams are in contention for the playoffs when there were only 4 teams. What if the Big 12 doesn't get a sniff of anything but the one guaranteed playoff? I don't know if they played in 2023 but if they did, what was the viewership? Begin everything with a visit to the 5 year attendance rankings.
The Acc without Florida State and Clemson will make least then the big 12. The reason is the big 12 will have more view ship numbers . U got to remember a good portion of the teams are from Texas and people in Texas love football . Also Acc will really not have any great football programs left after .They will probably lose at less 6 teams to Sec and big 10 that is why the Acc is really fighting hard to keep Florida State and Clemson .Sec will probably take four teams ( Florida State , Clemson , Georgia Tech and north Carolina State) . The big ten will take North Carolina and Virginia. And if ND goes to the big 10 then Stanford will probably get to go with them . I don't see ND doing that though. The big 12 will then be in a perfect spot to get Louisville, Pitt and maybe Virginia tech . Then they will add UConn to get to twenty schools
If u are Acc fan u better hope that Florida State and Clemson have to paid a lot to leave . If it ends up being 100millon or less the Acc will not make it much longer . Of course they did this to their selves when they add Cal,Stanford and Smu . These teams really don't add any value in football maybe Smu can become good again but the other two nobody wanted . I think they would have been better off adding Memphis,Tulane and South Florida .
The colleges and Universities are supposed to be non-profits, and some still are no matter how many millions they collect at the gates. All these sport teams were started by students originally, fraternities, clubs and guilds, nothing more, The universities kicked in funding at the request of these student clubs and supporting donors...but no good deed goes unpunished. These teams should have been separated from the universities as for-profit spinoffs long long ago, after they started taking on a life of their own. Instead, they were turned into profit centers by mission creep and greed. The very Ivy league that incubated it, tried to kill footfall off very early on in the 20th century. They even petitioned the highest levels of federal government to step in a kill off the baby. That failure has now morphed into the nightmare of today, where all sorts of unscrupulous speculators, even pedophiles, parasites have latched onto the host. This nightmare, where some schools are uninterested in sports profit, fund nearly the entire operations out of pocket and make zero return except for facilities improvements( 10s of millions just to appease the student's accustomed expectations) .While most public universities, sucking on the teat of sport profit like their very existence depends on it, meet in some smoky 5 star Vegas casino, sitting around in Brooks Brother suits, brainstorming how best to carve up what's left of these taxpayer funded monstrosities, while kvetching about how broke they are with the new added expenses. In the backdrop of all this, we have an insanely corrupt federal government who are all on board to get these non scholar athletes payed as quickly as possible so they can tax them as quickly as possible...and around, and around, she goes, right down the toilet bowl, along with the nation gifted to us by those that came before.
The student athlete pretends as if they're some type of slave, Nothing could be further from the truth, reality will smash down the whole stinking mess one day.
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