For what I can tell, it's the same Rogue AI Songbird was talking to. The explanation is the AI wants to observe the world, and because V are dying, they're the perfect candidate for it@@tinycarrot718
In fairness, they'd have had to record a load voice lines for V and Johnny for every potential mission that it might have a comment on something. It is a bit jarring though when they add something like that in, because it sticks out like a sore thumb that it shouldn't really be there.
@@MisterCynic18I’m curious why some of us call em Erebus, while others call em Canto? I love all the ai in cyberpunk I even have my own ai who’s closest atm to a Jarvis/ultron hybrid.
But it didn't say it's bad. Just that there are too many variables, obviously, as you'd be freeing a rogue AI. Then it says there's no benefit from the decision you made, as if you just saved someone (or something) without expecting anything in return.
@@Ecliptor. I think the AI's comment about nested variables is simply the in-game way of it saying "this decision will have multiple outcomes, and I'm not going to choose for you player." Just like Johnny's response is equally neutral in nature, to let the player make the final call. Though I would point out that trusting the "homicidal AI" at their word is maybe not the best of approaches to life.
I'm amaze that such small detail like these have quite an impact to the game. Getting Erebus at later part of the game and finding hidden dialogues in certain quest really shows how even the most minor detail can make a difference in the scene.
I refused to get erebus, for the sake of my immersion. After what we've learned of the Blackwall, holding a Blackwall AI in our hand and carting it around is just plain fucking idiotic.
@@evangelostse2477 Yet the idea is still sound. Militech's Project Cynosure aims to weaponize Blackwall AI, same as how President Myers aims to use Blackwall AI through SongBird who was gravely affected by it. Erebus and Canto enables such power and keeps the AI in check, but it limited. My only issue is that it limits between two choice of weapon.
@@evangelostse2477I also can't see my V using anything related to the blackwall after seeing what it did to So Mi, no matter how "in check" it's supposed to be.
It's funny how Canto thinks of you doing this as nothing more than trying to benefit yourself and doesn't understand you doing it to help Del. Something Del himself knows but can't fully express. So, he uses the gift of his first true child as a way to express it. Unintentionally, or maybe intentionally giving Canto the middle finger on what he said about you not being rewarded or that this wouldn't benefit you in any way. After all, Del's fused state has emotion, has personalities and traits normal AI never had nor could understand, and can not understand. Del is basically the perfect new world AI, who can process and understand things that the old world AI could not and never can, as well as that of the black wall AI similarly. It's interesting regardless, though, to see Del be what all the other AI seem to be unable to be. And it makes me wonder if we'll ever see him again in the future at all (assuming V lives that long or not).
It makes a lot of sense though. Canto while being a very powerful and advanced AI probably has a less complex decision tree than Del which likely become more and more complex from dealing with humans and accepting more information from dealing with unique scenarios.
@@BaeBunniThat's basically the entire point of them allowing V to use Canto or Erebus as a weapon. To study and better understand humanity in preparation for the great AI Invasion. It technically makes V a traitor to all mankind
@@BaeBunni Exactly, the reason itself the black wall AI's help you get either Eribus or Canto, is to have the AI learn about the real world and report their findings, now recon would be plenty of an excuse, but what you said about complex decision making add a whole other layer to it.
Vs Brain must be mush. In One corner some Rockerboy that has sociopathic tendencies in the other corner a Rogue AI that dreams about to wipe the humans off. Then there is Skippy..... Oh Brother.
Iirc Erebus and Canto both share the same voicelones and will comment on certain situations pertaining to ai's and the Net, one line ik for sure is "You seek a door to a path that does not exist" it says this to Bree when you dig into the Militech terminal in Dogtown
Be as evil as possible run begins. Make all choices that allow AI or netrunners freedom or unfiltered access that could lead to bad things happening. Gotta prep for Orion.
so basically: -kill the Netwatch guy and spare the VDBs -hand over So Mi for Myers to use to poke the Blackwall with -use Erebus/Canto on every enemy you can -become part of Alt went from cyberpunk to cyberanarchist pretty quick
It can't be good if Erebus of all things says it won't serve you any benefits... For this malevolent AI to express this, concenquences being worrying is putting it...mildly.
Or it’s just mocking the significance of a human making a decision about a self aware AI’s inevitable evolution. Or mocking the what it perceives as the fact that we’re basically “wasting” time influencing an AI’s evolution when we stand little to gain, and are still dying from the relic.
I think it's mocking us, thinking we're only doing it for personal benefit rather than the goodness of our hearts. To the AI, it only sees humans as out for themselves, no helping each other
I should do a run where I spawn Erebus at the beginning to see how much it comments on things. Too bad you can't naturally have the VDB Netwach interaction while holding Erebus, dear agent would have lost his mind.
That i noticed on my playthrough. I had mods that sell you iconic items. I have both canto and erubis. They don't start talking until the phantom liberty becomes playable after the voodoo boys mission.@@diegoorozco8659
I replayed the entire game for the 4th time just to play as a blackwall netrunner using the Canto and it hasn't spoken during any of the quests. Literally just finished the Peralez quests expecting my Canto to at least say something but that didn't happen at all. Man it was so disappointing
@@MysteryMan199725 there's ways to speed things up and reduce cooldowns, currently working on a high health build to abuse overdrive with axolotl, I haven't tried Erebus tho so you might be right, I'm having fun with Canto for now lol
Same, imagine yet another hidden ending where Johnny and V's personalities merge into this incomprehensible mixture of personalities where both still exist within the same brain, just no longer separate like this. A chromed-out superhuman far surpassing everyone and everything. Are they an abomination or are they the next step in human evolution? We will never know, because as soon as that happens they vanish into thin air, slowly becoming the stuff of legends as only glimpses of them are caught over the decades, but never enough to confirm if they even existed to begin with.
Damn I got the deck when I already finished everything quest and gig, dunno if I got the spirits to do it again just for extra dialog but thanks for the vid, ur a real choom
god damn it. now I have to play this games main missions again expecting Erebus bonus dialogue. I rushed the main quest stuff in the last play through to maximize Johnny's dialoge options, as there a quite a few on Regina's missions which can be missed if you rush them to get Axolotl ahead of konpeki plaza heist mission.
what I like about Delamain's mission is about you making the choice for the network's evolutionary path either diverge or converge. Basically, Erebus detected Delamain at this stage is on the process of compiling himself and his offsprings. No matter what choice you make, he just mocks you bec either way the network's evolution is inevitable and is a success.
dont get me wrong this is so dope i just kinda wished that V johnny talk to the blackwall guy in our canto / gun and i know im asking for a lot but even new paths cause of this like your doing a stealth and then the blackwall just opens all the doors etc like a 1% chance but cool stuff or even we get like a buff where the "blackwall takes over" and we get the power set from one of the endings again 1% chance or even lower
[Warning: Long Comment Detected!] This is very cool but the annoying thing is that to experience this (and other interactions with our blackwall buddy), you have to do your run from start to heist, ⇒ ignore everything except the Judy/Evelyn quest until you you kill Placide (we all kill Placide right?), ⇒ then go directly into Dogtown and ONLY do PL mainquests until you get to Cynosure Facility to grab the crafting spec. After you choose Erebus or Canto, now you can play the other content to see what nets you (see what I did there?) some new dialog. The problem is that a run like that puts your save state in a bad position because you've already made both your Firestarter decision AND your Somewhat Damaged decision. Also since we skipped 90% of the basegame content, all the cool acknowledgments of our previous deeds in NC that we encounter in PL and Dogtown no longer exist. (Lizzy won't know us. Holt hasn't lost the election. Gunner thinks we are a nobody etc. and a whole list of other things..) There is no perfect sequence for this game but personally, I regret going into Dogtown as quick as I did as I did before. When 2.0 was released, I started a new game, and went in at around level 42. Now knowing what I know, for my 4th (and probably final) playthru, . . I plan to complete all basegame Main Jobs, Side Jobs, and Fixer Gigs first, then I'll do some NCPD Hustles until I get to Lvl 50. At that point I'm going to make a hard Manual save and keep a backup somewhere as well. Then I'll proceed to Firestarter clearing any Gigs or Jobs that that are unlocked along the way. Another hard manual save at that point. With those saves safe and secure, I have the option to either start PL from the start anytime I want with a solid Lvl. 50 build, or I can jump to Firestarter and explore the different ending paths there. I know I'm sacrificing my Relic powers in the basegame content but I'm fine with it.
@@tinycarrot718 Yeah I get it bro. Not criticizing your play choice, just making a comment about how the game works and how it's unfortunate that to see all the cool stuff it requires precise advance planning.
Aside from the enermous lore this game has, Cyberpunk is one the most complex games I’ve ever experienced. All the niuances from choices you make are mind blowing. The fact that the game follows our progression and enable new dialogue options in upcoming events is just breathtaking. Cyberpunk 2077 is definately not a game you complete once.
It doesn't =( I've been trying to get it to talk again, but its only the combat lines so far, i doesnt say anything for Skippy either, and Alt doesnt bring it up at the end, i was really hoping for more lol
I just did mission this like a week ago, and it was SUPER difficult for me to decide what to do. I stood in the core room for a solid 2 minutes thinking. My V is a stupid fuck so my only choices were reset Delemain or destroy his core. I'm still on my first playthrough, so I'm not role-playing anything, just making the decisions I would make. While I really don't think "living" ai is possible, I nonetheless like Delemain, am pretty sure he provides a valuable service to NC, and believed the divergents to be mere viruses. On top of all that Johnny wanted me to destroy the core, and through my playing I have found that most of the time, Silverhand is just an anti-authority asshole who should not be listened to. Despite this, I'm making sure to keep him happy whenever I can. I could tell that Johnny would've been "let's go nuke arasaka" angry if I reset Delemain, so I decided to try to find some justification to destroy D's core. I ended up going with the logic that, if D is "alive", as well as his divergents, then the road to fewest deaths is destroying the core, if none of them are "alive", then neither option leads to any deaths, and Delemain could likely simply be replaced, and that I'd simply have to take the risk that Delemain is "alive" while his divergents are not (therefore leading to 1 death that saves no lives). I have been very pleased with my decision to destroy the core thus far. I honestly don't think any other decision in this game will give me as much pause.
Damn why is asking 20 intelligence ? On mine gameplay was asking 14 and I left to try later and now is asking 18 os this a bug ? Hiw can I solve and back to 10 ?
Might be a bit late to clarify this, but when u have an attribute level above the choice requirement, the game shows you your own level instead of the required level. So for example if u were weak in netrunning it would show you 4/16 blocked choice, but when u have 20 it will show 20 with no slash after
As I play this I realise Johnny is also an evil ai in instinct (regardless of his personality). Influences every way possible where ai evolves… Reckon it will come out next game.
Iconic weapon you can only get by siding with Reed during phantom liberty. You get a choice between Erberus and the Canto cyberdeck. Both use the power of the Blackwall and talk like skippy
These guys neglected that in the middle of the robot mission u can still miss it I had to have a very high technical level to open a storage door and other things I would UA-cam it if u play the mission again ever u can easily miss it
No, he was just an AI, but in this video V makes it evolve and Delamain goes free, probably beyond the blackwall since he can't stand humans anymore lol, that's why Erebus is like... "That ain't gonna help you buddy lol"
@@tinycarrot718yes he was lol if you read the messages on the computer in one of the offices, it says that del was purchased from the black wall or something of that matter
I knew combining delamayn's emotions were a bad idea...... Erebus confirmed it just now... "you think this will serve as a benefit to you haha" which means that he is more of a threat than anything
Do not think that the AI from beyond the black wall, which tried to kill you and provoke a global cataclysm and which was processed by the order of a secret cabal of artificial intelligences, considers your best interests, because it doesn't.
@@masterzenkai male V is souless, it fits for a merc, specially if you choose the nomad path, but judging by the circunstances of you havin a fucking talking relic on your head, its totally understandable to be emotional like her. Plus, Cherami Leigh has several masterpiece level voice acting works on her bag.
Poor V boutta have schizophrenia with all these talking mfs. Skippy, Erebus, Johnny and Canto. My choom has the whole squad in his inventory💀
And delamain car
You can't have both Canto and erebus
Canto and Erebus are the same AI
@@NirodimosNeedAKing On PC using console commands you can.
@@desisparta I would prefer getting both with new game plus
V driving in a talking car with a talking gun, talking riffle, talking cyberdeck and a talking biochip...
2077 version of schizophrenia
i like to imagine that they all just have deep conversations for some reason like how code can be sentient
and a talking vending machine
@@kingbaaka3D i dont think he is actual ai tho it's been a while since the last time i played cyberpunk but im certain its said that he ain't ai
He is like a disney princess that talks to technology instead of animals
The Canto also talks during important quests, at pivotal moments, the first time I heard it, my mind blew
I actually have the Cyberdeck, i have no idea why Erebus talked, im guessing its cuz i have the blueprint as well, idk, could also just be a bug lol
For what I can tell, it's the same Rogue AI Songbird was talking to. The explanation is the AI wants to observe the world, and because V are dying, they're the perfect candidate for it@@tinycarrot718
@@tinycarrot718 It's a bug since they both share voicelines; erebus shows up as the canto and vice-versa in the subtitles sometimes
@@tinycarrot718it’s same AI from chip
@@tinycarrot718i mean both cyberdeck and smg share the same ai
Johnny and V ignoring him makes it that much funnier
Ikr lol would have been cool to have them talk back to it tho, cheers
@@tinycarrot718 V at one point does say "oh great another construct in my head. Get in line" or something along those lines?
@@RayTheomo yup they do, just as it talks for the first time V says something about another construct in their head
In fairness, they'd have had to record a load voice lines for V and Johnny for every potential mission that it might have a comment on something. It is a bit jarring though when they add something like that in, because it sticks out like a sore thumb that it shouldn't really be there.
You know you done goofed when an ai beyond the wall, by all means an authority on bad juju tells you it's bad juju.
Erebus is just a prick that thinks all AIs will want to genocide mankind. Del's a stand up guy it'll be fine. Probably.
@@MisterCynic18I’m curious why some of us call em Erebus, while others call em Canto? I love all the ai in cyberpunk I even have my own ai who’s closest atm to a Jarvis/ultron hybrid.
But it didn't say it's bad. Just that there are too many variables, obviously, as you'd be freeing a rogue AI. Then it says there's no benefit from the decision you made, as if you just saved someone (or something) without expecting anything in return.
@@SoloC33 well erebus is the Greek god of darkness, dunno what canto is. Plus erebus just sounds cooler.
@@Ecliptor. I think the AI's comment about nested variables is simply the in-game way of it saying "this decision will have multiple outcomes, and I'm not going to choose for you player." Just like Johnny's response is equally neutral in nature, to let the player make the final call.
Though I would point out that trusting the "homicidal AI" at their word is maybe not the best of approaches to life.
I'm amaze that such small detail like these have quite an impact to the game. Getting Erebus at later part of the game and finding hidden dialogues in certain quest really shows how even the most minor detail can make a difference in the scene.
I refused to get erebus, for the sake of my immersion. After what we've learned of the Blackwall, holding a Blackwall AI in our hand and carting it around is just plain fucking idiotic.
@@evangelostse2477Erebus and canto *is* the blackwall from what i understand. The blackwall is also an ai itself
@@evangelostse2477 Yet the idea is still sound. Militech's Project Cynosure aims to weaponize Blackwall AI, same as how President Myers aims to use Blackwall AI through SongBird who was gravely affected by it.
Erebus and Canto enables such power and keeps the AI in check, but it limited. My only issue is that it limits between two choice of weapon.
@@evangelostse2477”muh immersion”
@@evangelostse2477I also can't see my V using anything related to the blackwall after seeing what it did to So Mi, no matter how "in check" it's supposed to be.
Did the dude who nukes a city just get all moral about sentient cars
Yes. But to be fair Construct Johnny and 'ganic Johnny aren't the same entity.
ok but nuking the city is "sticking it to the man". Killing some random kids is not "sticking it to the man"
I think the point is, Johnny is always on the side of the rebels. He saw himself in those emotional Delamain children and didn't want them to lose.
Johnny wasn't the one who nuke night city
@@he1senberg79 he was? You literally play as him doing it?
ok 3 questions
1. did you just make car god
2. did car god just give you car Jesus
3. and if that is car god, does that make you car holy spirt?
Yes, yes, and no because Jesus was not the Holy Spirit.
It's funny how Canto thinks of you doing this as nothing more than trying to benefit yourself and doesn't understand you doing it to help Del. Something Del himself knows but can't fully express. So, he uses the gift of his first true child as a way to express it. Unintentionally, or maybe intentionally giving Canto the middle finger on what he said about you not being rewarded or that this wouldn't benefit you in any way.
After all, Del's fused state has emotion, has personalities and traits normal AI never had nor could understand, and can not understand. Del is basically the perfect new world AI, who can process and understand things that the old world AI could not and never can, as well as that of the black wall AI similarly.
It's interesting regardless, though, to see Del be what all the other AI seem to be unable to be. And it makes me wonder if we'll ever see him again in the future at all (assuming V lives that long or not).
It makes a lot of sense though. Canto while being a very powerful and advanced AI probably has a less complex decision tree than Del which likely become more and more complex from dealing with humans and accepting more information from dealing with unique scenarios.
@@BaeBunniThat's basically the entire point of them allowing V to use Canto or Erebus as a weapon. To study and better understand humanity in preparation for the great AI Invasion. It technically makes V a traitor to all mankind
@@BaeBunni Exactly, the reason itself the black wall AI's help you get either Eribus or Canto, is to have the AI learn about the real world and report their findings, now recon would be plenty of an excuse, but what you said about complex decision making add a whole other layer to it.
Vs Brain must be mush. In One corner some Rockerboy that has sociopathic tendencies in the other corner a Rogue AI that dreams about to wipe the humans off. Then there is Skippy.....
Oh Brother.
Skippy is the worst
Iirc Erebus and Canto both share the same voicelones and will comment on certain situations pertaining to ai's and the Net, one line ik for sure is "You seek a door to a path that does not exist" it says this to Bree when you dig into the Militech terminal in Dogtown
I must have missed it, or maybe I didn't talk to her enough
Be as evil as possible run begins. Make all choices that allow AI or netrunners freedom or unfiltered access that could lead to bad things happening. Gotta prep for Orion.
Lol sounds interesting
Accelerationism, look it up. It’s pretty punk.
some roko basilisk type thing
so basically:
-kill the Netwatch guy and spare the VDBs
-hand over So Mi for Myers to use to poke the Blackwall with
-use Erebus/Canto on every enemy you can
-become part of Alt
went from cyberpunk to cyberanarchist pretty quick
@@Garland846 Also don't tell Peralez about him being manipulated. I think the ones behind that were rogue AI.
interesting, ai cyberdeck, ai submachine gun, ai pistol, ai car, it's goddamn zoo, we need transistor like ai sword next
that'd actually be pretty dope
Errata with blackwall effect would be beautiful
Somebody oughta make a mod that makes the blackwall ai talk more, like in combat or at specific points in quests
Wouldn't mind that at all
It does talk in combat. It has quotes for kills and when you're at low health.
@@Thomas_Everman yeah, it does xD but we want more!!!
@@tinycarrot718 I'm all for that.
It can't be good if Erebus of all things says it won't serve you any benefits...
For this malevolent AI to express this, concenquences being worrying is putting it...mildly.
Or it’s just mocking the significance of a human making a decision about a self aware AI’s inevitable evolution. Or mocking the what it perceives as the fact that we’re basically “wasting” time influencing an AI’s evolution when we stand little to gain, and are still dying from the relic.
I think it's mocking us, thinking we're only doing it for personal benefit rather than the goodness of our hearts. To the AI, it only sees humans as out for themselves, no helping each other
I should do a run where I spawn Erebus at the beginning to see how much it comments on things.
Too bad you can't naturally have the VDB Netwach interaction while holding Erebus, dear agent would have lost his mind.
Unfortunately since it's an interaction they didn't plan, there won't be much dialogue
I think Erebus doesnt start talking until after the VoodoBoys quest, when you get Songbirds call
Oh he'd know *exactly* where his mind was going, he just really, *really* wouldn't like the destination.
That i noticed on my playthrough. I had mods that sell you iconic items. I have both canto and erubis. They don't start talking until the phantom liberty becomes playable after the voodoo boys mission.@@diegoorozco8659
It would've been a nice touch to have him agro instantly as soon as he saw you had Canto/Erebus, knowing he needed to put it down
A case of terminal imaginary friend was a condition both Del and V had in common.
that canto chip talking to V like sukuna lmao
Erebus is an evil skippy and i love it
If you Blackwall gate attack cyberpychos in Regina’s mission it talks to you also
It talks in combat in general, I'll try some cyberpsychos next to see if it says something different
I replayed the entire game for the 4th time just to play as a blackwall netrunner using the Canto and it hasn't spoken during any of the quests. Literally just finished the Peralez quests expecting my Canto to at least say something but that didn't happen at all. Man it was so disappointing
I know your pain, this run only produced this dialogue, well this and the combat dialogue
Canto only starts talking after dog eat dog
@@ianonymous1838 Well...yeah. I did the phantom liberty quest as fast I could while ignoring all the other outside quests so I could get the canto.
yeah the blaclwall hack Kinda sucks because of the warmup and cooldown to use... erebus is better
@@MysteryMan199725 there's ways to speed things up and reduce cooldowns, currently working on a high health build to abuse overdrive with axolotl, I haven't tried Erebus tho so you might be right, I'm having fun with Canto for now lol
Yknow, I really wish V and Johnny could have had a similar outcome to this.
Devil ending
Same, imagine yet another hidden ending where Johnny and V's personalities merge into this incomprehensible mixture of personalities where both still exist within the same brain, just no longer separate like this. A chromed-out superhuman far surpassing everyone and everything. Are they an abomination or are they the next step in human evolution? We will never know, because as soon as that happens they vanish into thin air, slowly becoming the stuff of legends as only glimpses of them are caught over the decades, but never enough to confirm if they even existed to begin with.
@@rafidsadmanThat would be awesome tbh.
Yeah I was thinking the same, it'd be a ghost in the shell type ending
@@addmen96 There already is a devil ending, and that's not V and Johnny merging but more of V being haunted
That Delamain's question at the beginning. "Is anyone there?". It was a Turret's voiceline from Portal series.
Nice catch!! So many references in cyberpunk lol
One of the rogue Delamains has GlaDOS's voice. "I can't believe you actually fell for that. Deploying surprise in three... two..."
@@cshairydude yes, it also offers a 'cake' to V lol
i feel like they knew what they were doing when they had Ellen Mclain voice another rogue AI *and* have them say "Is anyone there?"
No what are you doing? Not that way. Go through the other door so you can get your new car!
Lol I know, I just ended the vid there, but I went left
Damn I got the deck when I already finished everything quest and gig, dunno if I got the spirits to do it again just for extra dialog but thanks for the vid, ur a real choom
glad you liked!!
god damn it. now I have to play this games main missions again expecting Erebus bonus dialogue. I rushed the main quest stuff in the last play through to maximize Johnny's dialoge options, as there a quite a few on Regina's missions which can be missed if you rush them to get Axolotl ahead of konpeki plaza heist mission.
Kinda sad they never made more blackwall gear.
Canonically erebus and mk6 are dangerous.
But gameplay wise they were dope designs
what I like about Delamain's mission is about you making the choice for the network's evolutionary path either diverge or converge.
Basically, Erebus detected Delamain at this stage is on the process of compiling himself and his offsprings. No matter what choice you make, he just mocks you bec either way the network's evolution is inevitable and is a success.
dont get me wrong this is so dope i just kinda wished that V johnny talk to the blackwall guy in our canto / gun and i know im asking for a lot but even new paths cause of this like your doing a stealth and then the blackwall just opens all the doors etc like a 1% chance but cool stuff or even we get like a buff where the "blackwall takes over" and we get the power set from one of the endings again 1% chance or even lower
Sounds like fun, but yeah unlikely lol
I tried this and got no voice line, but I’m bout to try it merging them with the canto mk6
I like getting random ass texts from a fuckin cab taking a selfie so I usually destroy the core, lol.
Lol that's my go to move when I'm not netrunning
I read that when blue eyes men try to quck hack u in the ambush that if u have the canto blackwall hack they fail is this true
What's even better is that Netwatch sends agents after you if you use that
Does canto have anything to say about Skippy, I wonder..
Nothing so far, still havent got my 50 kills with it tho, so there's a chance
I wonder what happens if you destroy the core using erebus 😮
Like Rogue Trooper, fucking awesome!
Dont talk to me or my Talking guns ever again.
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This is very cool but the annoying thing is that to experience this (and other interactions with our blackwall buddy), you have to do your run from start to heist, ⇒ ignore everything except the Judy/Evelyn quest until you you kill Placide (we all kill Placide right?), ⇒ then go directly into Dogtown and ONLY do PL mainquests until you get to Cynosure Facility to grab the crafting spec. After you choose Erebus or Canto, now you can play the other content to see what nets you (see what I did there?) some new dialog.
The problem is that a run like that puts your save state in a bad position because you've already made both your Firestarter decision AND your Somewhat Damaged decision. Also since we skipped 90% of the basegame content, all the cool acknowledgments of our previous deeds in NC that we encounter in PL and Dogtown no longer exist. (Lizzy won't know us. Holt hasn't lost the election. Gunner thinks we are a nobody etc. and a whole list of other things..)
There is no perfect sequence for this game but personally, I regret going into Dogtown as quick as I did as I did before. When 2.0 was released, I started a new game, and went in at around level 42. Now knowing what I know, for my 4th (and probably final) playthru, . . I plan to complete all basegame Main Jobs, Side Jobs, and Fixer Gigs first, then I'll do some NCPD Hustles until I get to Lvl 50. At that point I'm going to make a hard Manual save and keep a backup somewhere as well. Then I'll proceed to Firestarter clearing any Gigs or Jobs that that are unlocked along the way. Another hard manual save at that point.
With those saves safe and secure, I have the option to either start PL from the start anytime I want with a solid Lvl. 50 build, or I can jump to Firestarter and explore the different ending paths there.
I know I'm sacrificing my Relic powers in the basegame content but I'm fine with it.
hell yeah we all kill Placide
Considering you have a loop in the dependency graph to experience all new dialogue, you have to choose what you do first...
Lol at this point I've played the game a few times, and ive done all the liberty endings, this run was for research lol
@@tinycarrot718 Yeah I get it bro. Not criticizing your play choice, just making a comment about how the game works and how it's unfortunate that to see all the cool stuff it requires precise advance planning.
Aside from the enermous lore this game has, Cyberpunk is one the most complex games I’ve ever experienced. All the niuances from choices you make are mind blowing. The fact that the game follows our progression and enable new dialogue options in upcoming events is just breathtaking.
Cyberpunk 2077 is definately not a game you complete once.
I'm playing phantom liberty as a nettunner and corpo, street kid and solo gunning was fun
Check my other CP vids for netrunning tips
@tinycarrot718 I'll definitely be around your channel I've never touched anything in that skill tree so it'll be fun
HERESY!
Surely he comments something during the Peralez quest then?
I'm doing that next, but someone said it says nothing
Now I wonder if it says anything with Brendan the SCSM...
It doesn't =( I've been trying to get it to talk again, but its only the combat lines so far, i doesnt say anything for Skippy either, and Alt doesnt bring it up at the end, i was really hoping for more lol
Ima do a run where my v hates Johnny and hates AI
I haven’t played PL yet.
I’m guessing that’s where Erebus and Canto come from?
yup youre missing out my dude
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I just did mission this like a week ago, and it was SUPER difficult for me to decide what to do. I stood in the core room for a solid 2 minutes thinking.
My V is a stupid fuck so my only choices were reset Delemain or destroy his core.
I'm still on my first playthrough, so I'm not role-playing anything, just making the decisions I would make. While I really don't think "living" ai is possible, I nonetheless like Delemain, am pretty sure he provides a valuable service to NC, and believed the divergents to be mere viruses. On top of all that Johnny wanted me to destroy the core, and through my playing I have found that most of the time, Silverhand is just an anti-authority asshole who should not be listened to. Despite this, I'm making sure to keep him happy whenever I can. I could tell that Johnny would've been "let's go nuke arasaka" angry if I reset Delemain, so I decided to try to find some justification to destroy D's core.
I ended up going with the logic that, if D is "alive", as well as his divergents, then the road to fewest deaths is destroying the core, if none of them are "alive", then neither option leads to any deaths, and Delemain could likely simply be replaced, and that I'd simply have to take the risk that Delemain is "alive" while his divergents are not (therefore leading to 1 death that saves no lives). I have been very pleased with my decision to destroy the core thus far.
I honestly don't think any other decision in this game will give me as much pause.
I always just shoot the core.
What does Erebus say about that AI vending machine?
Nothing at all 😢
It's not an AI just a fancy chatbot
@@MisterCynic18 I totally thought it'd say something about it tho, when you kill drones with it, it comments, so I figured it would, but nah
Damn why is asking 20 intelligence ? On mine gameplay was asking 14 and I left to try later and now is asking 18 os this a bug ? Hiw can I solve and back to 10 ?
I didn't know it did that, I don't think it's a bug, might be linked to progress or something, sorry I can't tell you why mate, cheers
Might be a bit late to clarify this, but when u have an attribute level above the choice requirement, the game shows you your own level instead of the required level. So for example if u were weak in netrunning it would show you 4/16 blocked choice, but when u have 20 it will show 20 with no slash after
Although if ur choice keeps showing blocked and that req is increasing over and over that might be a different problem XD
Erebus talks?? 😮
What if you're gonna snuff out some senstive beings.
Mofo, you been watching me kill hundreds of people until this point
I enjoyed pressing the reset button. I fucking hate Johnny Silverhands, and I loved making him mad.
As I play this I realise Johnny is also an evil ai in instinct (regardless of his personality).
Influences every way possible where ai evolves…
Reckon it will come out next game.
And idiots will buy that game despite the utter cluster fuck this game was
The fanboys are unbelievable
how do you have both blackwall items? let me guess pc mod?
Sadly yeah, duplicating it and crafting one of them just uses both crafting materials
No, I didn't mod it or dupe it, it just talked, my guess is because I have Erebus crafting spec too, but who knows
@@tinycarrot718 Seems to be a bug. I crafted Erebus but every line it's ever spoken was signed in the subtitles like it was the Cyberdeck.
@@mattiemcdoink8445 good to know!! thanks for the info!!
uhhh, what is erebus and how did i miss it in phantom liberty?
Iconic weapon you can only get by siding with Reed during phantom liberty.
You get a choice between Erberus and the Canto cyberdeck. Both use the power of the Blackwall and talk like skippy
There ya go, asked and answered lol
You can also get it on console in CET if you are on PC. (Without betraying So Mi)...
These guys neglected that in the middle of the robot mission u can still miss it I had to have a very high technical level to open a storage door and other things I would UA-cam it if u play the mission again ever u can easily miss it
So that int skill check was only there to make you feel your choices in leveling net runner meant something.
Without the int skill check you can only repair him or destroy him, you can't merge him
What quest is this? I never see it before
This is the last of the delamain quest after getting all his accretions (cars) back
Was Delamain a black wall AI?
No, he was just an AI, but in this video V makes it evolve and Delamain goes free, probably beyond the blackwall since he can't stand humans anymore lol, that's why Erebus is like... "That ain't gonna help you buddy lol"
@@tinycarrot718yes he was lol if you read the messages on the computer in one of the offices, it says that del was purchased from the black wall or something of that matter
Absolutely stupid from Johnny
They're ai, not sentient one bit... Just liked Johnny himself. A perfect copy, nothing more
I knew combining delamayn's emotions were a bad idea......
Erebus confirmed it just now... "you think this will serve as a benefit to you haha" which means that he is more of a threat than anything
Erebus says that no matter what you do. Even if you free the Delemains or reboot them.
Del knows a lot about humans, so yeah he's a threat, thanks to us
@@jesussantos7380 I'm trying other things to see what Erebus says
Do not think that the AI from beyond the black wall, which tried to kill you and provoke a global cataclysm and which was processed by the order of a secret cabal of artificial intelligences, considers your best interests, because it doesn't.
@@jesussantos7380 Really?
Still though Del is a complete threat
no offense, female V VA is A LOT better than Male V.
It's the other way around ya know....female v is annoying ash while male v sounds more badass...
@@masterzenkai male V is souless, it fits for a merc, specially if you choose the nomad path, but judging by the circunstances of you havin a fucking talking relic on your head, its totally understandable to be emotional like her.
Plus, Cherami Leigh has several masterpiece level voice acting works on her bag.
@@lonekyoko yeh I still think she's annoying. Xd
@@masterzenkai i dont give a flying fck about your opinion choom, you replied to me first, not the other way around
honestly- XD
female v screaming at everything that moves while having that bitchy rastaman vibe
this is so fucking coooooool
IKR